You wouldn't want a position from them

why would he screen you out from a position you are qualified for and would make money placing you there? uh - duh ?

That's what I don't understand!
Recruiters make money from the hours that you work, so why don't they do their jobs?

John in Ruskin, Florida said: I thought these comments were all from crybabies who couldn't find a job. Then, out of curiousity I called these bozos, to try to find out about a position for which I am probably one of the most qualified people around.

I ended up playing telephone tag with the numbnuts who advertised it for a day. Realizing full well that he was using his answering machine as a screening device, I still couldn't figure out why he couldn't call me at the times I indicated I would be free.

After a few rounds of tag I grew irritated with his game, and decided that whatever it was he was selling, I wasn't interested.

Now I know why firms claim engineering positions are so hard to fill. They hire incompetents like these people to find candidates for them.

If you are still looking for a Geologist position shoot me over your resume. I am a recruiter but you can go through all of our postings and you won't find one bad comment.

The thing your story shows is that many times when it comes to getting a job, it's not the candidate who's at fault, it's the evaluators and bosses.

That's one of the saddest things I hate about living in America. You consistently hear that America is such a land of opportunity, and if you don't make it, then only you as an individual are to mind. Never mind if you come across countless of Dilbert's boss' cousins, the only one who's at fault is you the applicant. And let's not forget how employers cry that they can't find anybody qualified in this country so they must go abroad, through H1-B or outsourcing.

To combat this ridiculous nonsense, I've sometimes done this, especially after I once read about it from Howard Figler's book _The Complete Job Search_. Next time if you find a company you really want to work at, JUST DROP IN! I've done that several times, and have gotten a spectrum of replies, from outright outrage to sheer embarassment on the behalf of the employer. And, yes, I have gotten offers, especially from some employers who appreciate someone nudging them politely to get their act together. The rest are the real losers, not the candidates, especially those who are more "self-motivated" than the overblown job descriptions in place today.

John in Ruskin, Florida said: I thought these comments were all from crybabies who couldn't find a job. Then, out of curiousity I called these bozos, to try to find out about a position for which I am probably one of the most qualified people around.

I ended up playing telephone tag with the numbnuts who advertised it for a day. Realizing full well that he was using his answering machine as a screening device, I still couldn't figure out why he couldn't call me at the times I indicated I would be free.

After a few rounds of tag I grew irritated with his game, and decided that whatever it was he was selling, I wasn't interested.

Now I know why firms claim engineering positions are so hard to fill. They hire incompetents like these people to find candidates for them.

I interviewed with Aerotek in Rochester NY, for a job as a mechanic/electrician, and for which I am highly qualified. I have an excellent reputation,demeanor,and work ethics,etc. The interviewer seemed highly interested until we discussed salary considerations. I worked as a Group Leader for mechanics and elctricians at Kodak for nearly 35 years,and was laid off short of qualified retirement age (sound familiar?). I worked my way up to a decent salary at Kodak and now seek employment that pays somewhat comprable wages. Thats where the problem is; companies no longer want to pay highly skilled tradesmen a fair wage. They would rather hire a younger,lesser skilled person who will work for considerably lower wages and benefits. I have four kids and a large mortgage payment, with my wife of 28 years battling cancer,and my oldest (still living home) attending a local college. I can not go to work for a company at a discount salary. I would rather work for myself, and I have started some home based businesses to that end.
Getting back to Aerotek, the interviewer told me I was over qualified for the position being offered, meaning they do not want to pay you your fair worth!

Paul Rolfe of Rochester NY said: I interviewed with Aerotek in Rochester NY, for a job as a mechanic/electrician, and for which I am highly qualified. I have an excellent reputation,demeanor,and work ethics,etc. The interviewer seemed highly interested until we discussed salary considerations. I worked as a Group Leader for mechanics and elctricians at Kodak for nearly 35 years,and was laid off short of qualified retirement age (sound familiar?). I worked my way up to a decent salary at Kodak and now seek employment that pays somewhat comprable wages. Thats where the problem is; companies no longer want to pay highly skilled tradesmen a fair wage. They would rather hire a younger,lesser skilled person who will work for considerably lower wages and benefits. I have four kids and a large mortgage payment, with my wife of 28 years battling cancer,and my oldest (still living home) attending a local college. I can not go to work for a company at a discount salary. I would rather work for myself, and I have started some home based businesses to that end.
Getting back to Aerotek, the interviewer told me I was over qualified for the position being offered, meaning they do not want to pay you your fair worth!

I agree. I lost an excellent job with a Fortune 500 company last summer due to a plant closure. After earnestly looking for six months and with unemployment running out, I had to take a job paying me 25% less than my previous position with sub-standard benefits. I'm still keeping an eye open for a better opportunity, but don't hold high hopes.

This is what I don't understand about all of you who are complaining.

I don't work for Aerotek ( I actually work for one of their competitors and do not agree with some of the things that they do as a company as a whole). But, working in the industry, I understand completely how their business works and can honestly say that you are all complaining for the wrong reasons.

1. As recruiters, we are paid to fill positions for companies with needs. If a client wants a 3 -5 year person, I do not care how qualified you are for the position. They are not going to pay for a 20 year employee. Period.

2. We do not get paid unless YOU get a position. Why would anyone in their right mind not get you an interview if you were qualified for the job? Perhaps, YOU think you are qualified, when in actuality, you are not.

3. If you are such a valuable commidity to companies, why are you complaining about a job you didnt get several months ago? Shouldn't you have tons of companies just waiting to throw money at you?

So go ahead, blame companies, blame recruiters, blame everyone. Do not blame the fact that maybe you've had 6 jobs in 5 years, or the fact that a company does not want an employee who will retire in 3 years, or maybe, just maybe, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

Imagine that? You did not get a job because you weren't the right person for it? Oh wait, I forgot...i go to work everyday NOT to make money....just to mess with you.

You seem to be out of touch with everyones comments!

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: This is what I don't understand about all of you who are complaining.

About what i'd expect from someone in your position. However the problem isn't people are complaining to complain, it's agencies like yours that pass over the older experienced workers in favor of a younger inexperienced one that will work for low pay, settle for whatever flex hours an employer feels like throwing at them at the moment, and no or little benifits.

Another problem with your response is even if an applicant isn't qualiied for one position you still made yourelf out to be a lair. You claim that these agencies don't make money unless they can find you work. Ok then how come most applicants are never called, never interviewed, and are never found a job after jumping through an agencies hoops to sign up? We spend our time in places like this search for jobs and warning othrs about people like you because you play games, wont hire older experienced workers, and won't back up what you say by actively trying to find applicants work.

Sir,

I think you have confused what an agency actually does.

WE DON'T HIRE ANYONE...we're a referral service. The employer ultimately hires the person. I'm sorry if companies choose to hire people are less qualified and younger than yourself, but in their defense...

hypothetically, if you are 55 years old with 30 years experience, you have 10 years left until retirement

a candidate who is 35 year old with 10 years experience has 30 more years until retirement.

So yes, as a business..the company has made the decision that long-term , the junior applicant will be more beneficial to the company.

Plus, in business, it comes down to the bottom line. If you can get it done cheaper, of course you get it done cheaper.

In response to you calling me liar, i promise you one thing. If an agency can get you a job, WE WILL JUMP THROUGH HOOPS FOR YOU.

Read my earlier comment again, sir. We are a business, not a government funded program. Plus, we don't charge you anything sir. So in reality, it just adds to your chances of finding good, meaningful employment.

But if you choose not to work with us, Good Luck to you and I wish you well

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: Sir,

Come on your going to play word games with me, we all know what employment agencies are supposed to be doing “Finding applicants jobs with employers that advertise openings.” The problem is most agencies are not doing that and typically you never bother to find many work at all, all of us here know it and have been through it. As far as age being a major issue, bill sh*t, don’t insult me. Many employers no longer offer retirement packages, and those that do usually don’t put into it at all only the employee so it costs most nothing. As far as an employer being concerned about an employee staying, only older workers have demonstrated they are willing to stick around. Typically many younger workers do not stay in a position long and turn around in many companies is very high. Therefore job positions are constantly being reposted to refill these positions. The only reason an employer wants younger workers is they will work for less, it’s not because they have the right job skills or anything else. The problem with people like you is, you never consider problems with younger less skilled workers. They leave jobs often and they don’t have the skills and experience many older workers do. Therefore every time a younger worker leaves you must rehire and retrain another. In the long run when you add up the costs in man-hours, overtime, retraining, etc a company is actually spending more time and money than if they hired an older worker in the first place. If you explained these things to an employer they would hire older workers more often, but you don’t even bother. You are in essence a salesman and being one, a good one should be able to sell ice cubes to an Eskimo. So how come you can’t sell an applicant to an employer unless there nineteen?

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: This is what I don't understand about all of you who are complaining.

I don't work for Aerotek ( I actually work for one of their competitors and do not agree with some of the things that they do as a company as a whole). But, working in the industry, I understand completely how their business works and can honestly say that you are all complaining for the wrong reasons.

1. As recruiters, we are paid to fill positions for companies with needs. If a client wants a 3 -5 year person, I do not care how qualified you are for the position. They are not going to pay for a 20 year employee. Period.

2. We do not get paid unless YOU get a position. Why would anyone in their right mind not get you an interview if you were qualified for the job? Perhaps, YOU think you are qualified, when in actuality, you are not.

3. If you are such a valuable commidity to companies, why are you complaining about a job you didnt get several months ago? Shouldn't you have tons of companies just waiting to throw money at you?

So go ahead, blame companies, blame recruiters, blame everyone. Do not blame the fact that maybe you've had 6 jobs in 5 years, or the fact that a company does not want an employee who will retire in 3 years, or maybe, just maybe, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

Imagine that? You did not get a job because you weren't the right person for it? Oh wait, I forgot...i go to work everyday NOT to make money....just to mess with you.

Hear Hear, I am on the job search side but you all better remember that 20 or so years ago YOU were the younger person working for less and taking the jobs from the ones nearing retirement. Life is not fair and sometimes you do have to take a step back in pay and rank. And yes sometimes the best qualified does not get hired, SO WHAT, Jobe recruters are their to HELP not solve all problems, if recruters send the wrong applicant for the interview they will not receive future postings.

I agree with you Ronald, it's not complaining. I applied for a job recently with Aerotek and went through phone tag with the recruiter. To make a long story short the recruiter emailed me after two weeks and stated that I was one of the top three candidates for the job but they selected another candidate. I fit the job to a T, three years of experience in environmental and a MBA degree. I guess they only interview two people for their open positions because I didn't an interview.

Ronald in Kearny, New Jersey said: You seem to be out of touch with everyones comments!

About what i'd expect from someone in your position. However the problem isn't people are complaining to complain, it's agencies like yours that pass over the older experienced workers in favor of a younger inexperienced one that will work for low pay, settle for whatever flex hours an employer feels like throwing at them at the moment, and no or little benifits.

Another problem with your response is even if an applicant isn't qualiied for one position you still made yourelf out to be a lair. You claim that these agencies don't make money unless they can find you work. Ok then how come most applicants are never called, never interviewed, and are never found a job after jumping through an agencies hoops to sign up? We spend our time in places like this search for jobs and warning othrs about people like you because you play games, wont hire older experienced workers, and won't back up what you say by actively trying to find applicants work.

Remember you get what you pay for.

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: Sir,

I think you have confused what an agency actually does.

WE DON'T HIRE ANYONE...we're a referral service. The employer ultimately hires the person. I'm sorry if companies choose to hire people are less qualified and younger than yourself, but in their defense...

hypothetically, if you are 55 years old with 30 years experience, you have 10 years left until retirement

a candidate who is 35 year old with 10 years experience has 30 more years until retirement.

So yes, as a business..the company has made the decision that long-term , the junior applicant will be more beneficial to the company.

Plus, in business, it comes down to the bottom line. If you can get it done cheaper, of course you get it done cheaper.

In response to you calling me liar, i promise you one thing. If an agency can get you a job, WE WILL JUMP THROUGH HOOPS FOR YOU.

Read my earlier comment again, sir. We are a business, not a government funded program. Plus, we don't charge you anything sir. So in reality, it just adds to your chances of finding good, meaningful employment.

But if you choose not to work with us, Good Luck to you and I wish you well

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: This is what I don't understand about all of you who are complaining.

I don't work for Aerotek ( I actually work for one of their competitors and do not agree with some of the things that they do as a company as a whole). But, working in the industry, I understand completely how their business works and can honestly say that you are all complaining for the wrong reasons.

1. As recruiters, we are paid to fill positions for companies with needs. If a client wants a 3 -5 year person, I do not care how qualified you are for the position. They are not going to pay for a 20 year employee. Period.

2. We do not get paid unless YOU get a position. Why would anyone in their right mind not get you an interview if you were qualified for the job? Perhaps, YOU think you are qualified, when in actuality, you are not.

3. If you are such a valuable commidity to companies, why are you complaining about a job you didnt get several months ago? Shouldn't you have tons of companies just waiting to throw money at you?

So go ahead, blame companies, blame recruiters, blame everyone. Do not blame the fact that maybe you've had 6 jobs in 5 years, or the fact that a company does not want an employee who will retire in 3 years, or maybe, just maybe, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

Imagine that? You did not get a job because you weren't the right person for it? Oh wait, I forgot...i go to work everyday NOT to make money....just to mess with you.

Aerotek is working their butt off for me!! And.......oh...I am qualified

Tim Petrik said: Aerotek is working their butt off for me!! And.......oh...I am qualified

What a wonderful comment!!!

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: This is what I don't understand about all of you who are complaining.

I don't work for Aerotek ( I actually work for one of their competitors and do not agree with some of the things that they do as a company as a whole). But, working in the industry, I understand completely how their business works and can honestly say that you are all complaining for the wrong reasons.

1. As recruiters, we are paid to fill positions for companies with needs. If a client wants a 3 -5 year person, I do not care how qualified you are for the position. They are not going to pay for a 20 year employee. Period.

2. We do not get paid unless YOU get a position. Why would anyone in their right mind not get you an interview if you were qualified for the job? Perhaps, YOU think you are qualified, when in actuality, you are not.

3. If you are such a valuable commidity to companies, why are you complaining about a job you didnt get several months ago? Shouldn't you have tons of companies just waiting to throw money at you?

So go ahead, blame companies, blame recruiters, blame everyone. Do not blame the fact that maybe you've had 6 jobs in 5 years, or the fact that a company does not want an employee who will retire in 3 years, or maybe, just maybe, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

Imagine that? You did not get a job because you weren't the right person for it? Oh wait, I forgot...i go to work everyday NOT to make money....just to mess with you.

First, maybe your company does it right but Aerotek is a horrible company to work for. They found my resume and after two interviews hired me, I was promised that it was going to be permanate with benifits after six months. It was very important for me for this to be true and I expressed that. After I was laid off four months later they said I wasn't their problem anymore. They are a HORRIBLE selfish company.

I agree about Aerotek completely, I don't hate them. I just think certain branches of that company need to be destroyed.
Both my husband and I have been told we were over qualified by them. My husband is 28 with maybe 10 years as a machinist and a mechanic, with military experience. So he's not close to retirering, companies are just unwilling to pay him what he's worth. Aerotek could have just told him that in email or over the phone without wasting his time.
They might be correct when they stated we were both over qualified. I have a master's in PM and my PMP with 6 years of military experience as an electronic technician. I'm 30.
I just hate the lack of sincere communication, but its definitely not just Aerotek.

Tim Petrik said: Aerotek is working their butt off for me!! And.......oh...I am qualified

I've been wrong before and I was wrong when I wrote the above

Aerotek. Same ads over and over for a year now! Never return phone calls. Lie and say they will get back to you.

The most unprofessional @ssholes around.

Avoid ALL NJ & VA Aerotek agencies.. I have spoken with almost every person from every ad listing from both locations and guess what? Same c#rap comes out of each of their mouths.

I'd also rank Kelly Services close to Aerotek.

But Aerotek takes the cake. They are inconsiderate, maligning, and play this game .. mind you almost 92% of their postings do not EVEN EXIST! They repeat the SAME *nonexistent ads for over a year now!

Aerotek s#ucks and I will shout it til I am blue in the face.

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: This is what I don't understand about all of you who are complaining.

I don't work for Aerotek ( I actually work for one of their competitors and do not agree with some of the things that they do as a company as a whole). But, working in the industry, I understand completely how their business works and can honestly say that you are all complaining for the wrong reasons.

1. As recruiters, we are paid to fill positions for companies with needs. If a client wants a 3 -5 year person, I do not care how qualified you are for the position. They are not going to pay for a 20 year employee. Period.

2. We do not get paid unless YOU get a position. Why would anyone in their right mind not get you an interview if you were qualified for the job? Perhaps, YOU think you are qualified, when in actuality, you are not.

3. If you are such a valuable commidity to companies, why are you complaining about a job you didnt get several months ago? Shouldn't you have tons of companies just waiting to throw money at you?

So go ahead, blame companies, blame recruiters, blame everyone. Do not blame the fact that maybe you've had 6 jobs in 5 years, or the fact that a company does not want an employee who will retire in 3 years, or maybe, just maybe, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

Imagine that? You did not get a job because you weren't the right person for it? Oh wait, I forgot...i go to work everyday NOT to make money....just to mess with you.

What a rude little twit!

I work for Aerotek in Pa. We do our best to touch base with everyone who sends us their resume. Sometimes...like if you are trying to get a Sr. PM job and your experince is a retail clerk...you may not get a reply. We are broken down into 11 seperate niche divisions. I happen to happen to handle CM and Engineering. I can promise you this, if you have what we are looking for, we will call! I have never placed or even sent a resume to a client if we havn't discussed it with them on the phone (99% of the time in person). I am sorry for anyone who has had a bad experience and I can only speak for my folks in Pennsylvania.

When their behaivor is that bad it's no wonder everyone gets ignored when they reply for job placement, and no wonder everyones complaining. Its a mystery how these crooks stay in business and make money, but I know one thing its not in finding people jobs. They have plenty of applicants, and they keep advertising the same jobs without using anyone. According to these crooks no one is qualified to do any job they might come across which is why we never get solid offers for any jobs they get. Like I said earlier even if we are not qualified for one position, there has to be something all these people can qualify for. The only conclusion is you're information farming since your not actually placing anyone. Information farming is big business, people pay for your info so once they get it, its not a prioty to actually place you.

John in Monrovia, California said: Hear Hear, I am on the job search side but you all better remember that 20 or so years ago YOU were the younger person working for less and taking the jobs from the ones nearing retirement. Life is not fair and sometimes you do have to take a step back in pay and rank. And yes sometimes the best qualified does not get hired, SO WHAT, Jobe recruters are their to HELP not solve all problems, if recruters send the wrong applicant for the interview they will not receive future postings.

When i was a kid, companies hadn't started mass layoffs yet and their was plenty of summer, part time, and entry level position everywhere, nobodies toes got stepped on. Back then job agencies actually got you work and kept you working. Until a few jackasses in the business world figured they could save money by hiring unqualified workers, who once they got into a position they found out they didn't know the job. they eventually hired more unqualified workers who couldn't compete or understand the job the job requirements either. The end result companies saved money but cut their own throat because now they are stuck with a flood of unqualied workers that squeezed out the qualified ones. The unqualified ones can't handle the jobs they do. Product quality, customer services, job performance etc has gone way downhill. Now busineeses don't want to hire qualified workers because they dont want to spend the money. Unfortunately they are to unqualified themselves to notice its costing them more to maintain a sub-standard workforce. Sure that ninteen year old is more qualified, sure he'll stay, sure he'll know the job, sure he matches the needed experience. Well we all know thwy meet one they work for low wages and no benefits, is the tradeoff really worth it?

I would like to say $##$%^$$@$#$@%^^%#@%^@$^ TO AEROTEX U GUYS S@#K

Ronald in Kearny, New Jersey said: You seem to be out of touch with everyones comments!

About what i'd expect from someone in your position. However the problem isn't people are complaining to complain, it's agencies like yours that pass over the older experienced workers in favor of a younger inexperienced one that will work for low pay, settle for whatever flex hours an employer feels like throwing at them at the moment, and no or little benifits.

Another problem with your response is even if an applicant isn't qualiied for one position you still made yourelf out to be a lair. You claim that these agencies don't make money unless they can find you work. Ok then how come most applicants are never called, never interviewed, and are never found a job after jumping through an agencies hoops to sign up? We spend our time in places like this search for jobs and warning othrs about people like you because you play games, wont hire older experienced workers, and won't back up what you say by actively trying to find applicants work.

Well Sir, we are in a business that is for profit. Why are most applicants not called? Because we can't do anything with you. Keep in mind that companies use agencies to find THE BEST TALENT in their given industry. A borderline candidate or a candidate past his prime is not worth an investment by companies.

Lets put this in simple terms for you:

You're buying a car. You would like a beautiful, brand new Ferrari. Well worth the investment right?

So you go down to the dealer. They are completely out of Ferrari's. But they have an 85 Pontiac Fiero with a blown transmission. Dents all over it. Smells like gasoline when you drive it and stalls out every other block.

But hey, its a car. It'll get you to work right? But you have enough money budgeted for that Ferrari that is everything you want and need.

Are you gonna invest that money into that old Fiero or wait until a Ferrari becomes available?

Older cars can go for millions at action a new car can't,its usually not worth it. So get your facts straight and stop trying to snowjob people pal. You don't want the best for the position and you know it.

That is true Ronald in Kearney...SOME older cars can go for millions. The ones that are valuable.

Others, like you, have past their point of usefullness. Who wants to drive around in a beat up old car...so right..trade it in for a newer model that works better. In fact, this has nothing to do with age. Some things get better with age - Useless job seekers just get worse.

by the way, I'm on here checking out the competition in my business

Still unemployed, ehh Ronnie?

Actually no smartass, I just recently started in my new career and for awhile it was frustratung nobody talking to me in my old line of work. Then I relized after awhile that i was not the problem, second rate, incompetant, loudmouth little kids like you where. See kids who work in temp agencies, and many recruiters are all the problem. You leach money from employers by conning them about skills you don't have, and services you can't provide. The big pronlem is that you have no idea how to fill jobs therefore you don't make the effort. After all how can we expect you to place us in jobs according to our qualifications when you were under qualified to do yours when you got hired, you just work cheap and are easy to brainwash. I grew up, faced the music, and bypassed you worthless clowns, I market myself directly to employers and clients in need of my services. You are obsolete, don't worry they will replace you soon enough and then you'll be in my shoes, I hope they smell real bad and are not comfortable. The difference between you and me is, I always excell and stay on the dean's list, so eventually I find that loophole. Eventually, your resume will be out there with your past experience, and you won't be considered anytime soon either. Unlike me, since you're easy to manipulate it will be harder for you to adapt and you will wind up in a low paying, dead end job. Time is on my side, eventually you'll get what you deserve. Unfortunately, I probably will not likely see you get yours. I'll be busy with my life but rest assured when I start hiring you won't be considered either you won't have the quaifications.

Has anybody else noticed that the recruiters and and temp agency workers don't think about the things they say here at all? First off many of them are young kids who claim anybody over thiry is to old and not worth employing. I'd like to see their employers let them go when they hit thirty just to see the looks on their faces. Because according to them they are not worth looking at, or hiring at that age. Better yet i'd like to know why they hate their parents, did they tied the porkchop around their necks too much? According to the stories the recruiters and temp agency workers are telling here their own parents are not worth employing because their too old. I'd like to see the response their parents would make if they knew what they said here about them being to old to work, or not worth considering. What would their parents really think of them if they fully understood how hard these poeople are making it for older workers to find employment. It's not the industry causing a problem, it's young kids who think they know everything just because they were the cheap labor the employer hired to replace an older worker for less pay, and less benifits. Yup you know everything, thanks for buying the company line by being easy to brainwash,helping in ruining the labor force, and enabling employers to justify the use of cheap labor in both overseas importation of jobs and through illigal imagrants who work under the table and pay no taxes. That's the way to keep America strong, destroy the work force!

Work for cheap? Thats funny. You obviously don't understand OUR business, sir.

History lesson - Somebody recently made the off handed comment that when I was twenty I too had replaced somebody, so it's time for a history lesson. Up until the mid 1980's workers were loyal to their companies, and the companies treated their workers with respect since that was the foundation that made their companies money. However there was a problem companies were spending huge amounts to operate and needed to cut costs. The problem was companies were top heavy and had too many managers and departments doing the same jobs. The Army devised an idea to shrink its force due to a decline in the need for a large military. They made the new Army; they combine jobs, and forced affirmative action down everyone’s throats. Many good soldiers were forced out just so females, blacks, and other minorities could jump to the front of the line and get promoted ahead of everyone else without earning the turn on the promotion list, thus government discrimination was in full bloom however they did cut the military’s force. Pretty soon all the branches of the military had to do the same thing. The civilian world noticed how the military cut its size and saw this as the answer to their spending problems as well. Pretty soon by the late 1980's businesses everywhere were hacking at the roots and eliminating the workers anyway they could. This wasn't enough top executives everywhere saw how much extra cash they could milk from a company and took this a step further, they cut benefits, and increased ways they could hire cheaper labor. All the money cut and saved went straight into their pockets while the rest of us suffered. It's been that way ever since, the top gets heavier, and the roots get weaker.

So you see when we were kids you didn't replace an older worker, a white worker, or whatever, you simply integrated into the existing workforce. The problem is business brainwashes the younger generations with company enhancing lines designed solely to make the owners richer, while you agree to work for far less than the workers you eventually replaced. You agreed to work for fewer benefits or none at all. Lastly you agreed to work two or more jobs at less pay than one used to make. Today you try to spread to company lie that seven to ten dollars an hour is good money, when in many areas that won’t even pay rent, let alone bills. Since you have no experience you see nothing wrong with working for little money, after all you lived under your parent’s roof far longer than the previous generations. You didn’t care that they lost their jobs, and as time went by they found it harder and harder to make ends meet. Eventually both parents had to work to pay the bills, but you didn’t care then, and you care less now. Next time you look into your parents eyes, or look at their picture in your scrapbook maybe you should think about all the sacrifices they made for you, that they never talked about. After all people like you are the reason the elderly can’t get healthcare, can’t buy needed medicine, can’t pay their bills, and those retirement funds that were supposed to last past their life times only lasted ten years because you took away their ability to find work when they got older by telling employers and applicants if their over thirty their not worth looking at. You should be ashamed of the way you treated people, you might even be uncomfortable looking into mirrors. I hope your happy with the way you bought a company catch phrase and turned it not only on your older generation, but on yourself. Sooner or later that noose you made for us will show up on your front doorstep and it will be your turn to wear it, I hope it’s tight.

I just have 3 comments for you Ronald:

1. You're crazy. Blame EVERYONE - the army, african americans, recruiters, younger people, illegal immigrants, women, companies, executives, the system.

2. If you're using recruiting agencies to apply for 7 to 10 dollar an hour jobs, thats your problem. Mcdonald's fry cooks make that just by applying for a position. Ever wonder WHY companies don't hire you? oh yeah, its the younger people and women's fault..i forgot.

3. If you have embarked upon your "new career" as you claim, why do you post on here every 4 hours? What is your new big career? Who paid you that 11 dollars an hour instead of saving the money to hire a cheaper, 9 dollar an hour guy?

To conclude, you are blaming an industry you truly don't understand. For some reason, you believe WE decide who gets hired. The companies do that..... and I'm assuming they've all decided not to hire a bitter, angry man like yourself. Wait...you haven't blamed job boards yet have you?

Love,

The Employed Population of America

My, my the truth must hurt? I never said I blamed anyone although I could and I did point a few fingers that helped degrade to workforce we now enjoy. However that was simply to show you how today's business model and hiring practices came into being, it was not always there, it was a recent creation. Fact is only certain parties are responsiable for the low ethics and morals we enjoy today, it's bad if you don't like the finger being pointed your way, you sew what you reap. It is wrong to hire, promote, or fire anyone based on sex, race, or age and you are truely the bottom of the barrel if you think you're justified in defending such practices. Whenever I was in charge of others all my decisions were based on their job performances and abilitis alone, therefore I can look in the mirror and like what I see, can you honestly say that? I don't agree, or like anyone with anyone who lacks a moral and ethical compass. As far as my career and my time goes I bet it drives you nuts that I am able to bypass you since your a waste of not only my time but a waste of an employers resources as well. I am able to come here anytime I want to and work because of experience which you don't seem to have, you sure are afraid of it and don't understand it. It's not anyones fault in these forums because they can't find work, it's people like you who refuse anyone with experience the consideration they are worth. After all we haven't done anything wrong in our job searches, we like many others have experience and can find a suitable job if we look hard enough, it just doesn't involve you, and that bugs you. The only thing that slows us down is dealing with inexperienced younger workers, who don't know their job, and is afraid to hire anyone who an employer will want. Fact is temp agencies want only people who are likely not be hired by employers. That way you can keep making money off them by rotating them. An experiened worker is likely to be hired too fast, so not worth your time.

By the way posting every four hours is tempting just to bug people like you. However you are not worth my time, so therefore this is my last post simply because chatting with someone without the IQ or mentality to even understand right, from wrong is a valuable waste of my time. You have no problem breaking laws in your hiring practices, you see no problem discriminating against others, and you have no respect for anyone otherwise you wouldn't do the things you do, or defend. So I have no problem pretending you no longer exist, goodbye and continue avoiding those mirrors in the morning.

Sonia in Norfolk, Virginia said: Aerotek. Same ads over and over for a year now! Never return phone calls. Lie and say they will get back to you.

The most unprofessional @ssholes around.

Avoid ALL NJ & VA Aerotek agencies.. I have spoken with almost every person from every ad listing from both locations and guess what? Same c#rap comes out of each of their mouths.

I'd also rank Kelly Services close to Aerotek.

But Aerotek takes the cake. They are inconsiderate, maligning, and play this game .. mind you almost 92% of their postings do not EVEN EXIST! They repeat the SAME *nonexistent ads for over a year now!

Aerotek s#ucks and I will shout it til I am blue in the face.

I have tried to work with these people. You are right they are inconsiderate, liars, and I would not recomend them to a dog catcher.

I recently had an unfortunate run in with Aerotek regarding a fairly senior engineering position. Thankfully, I had competing offers from other firms and was able to dismiss Aerotek outright. Still, the negative impression lingers, and my wasted time can not be recovered. My complaints are as follows:

1. The Aerotek Recruiter was less than honest: The Aerotek recruiter omitted during our pre-interview discussions that the position he was recruiting for was a contract for hire position; something virtually unheard of in my line of work. Aerotek staffs contract for hire and direct hire positions, the latter of which is far more common. While I should have asked explicitly, because contract for hire is rare, I believed I should have been told that this was a contract for hire position.

2. The Aerotek Recruiter wasted my time on an unsuitable interview: During our preliminary discussions, a minimum salary of $65,000 was discussed. This was not my target range of $75,000 to $90,000. The recruiter acknowledged that any positions paying less than $65,000 could not and would not be considered. After the interview I was sent on, the recruiter called me to tell me that the company was interested, and the offer was for $58,000.

3. The Aerotek Recruiter used unscrupulous tactics: When I declined the offer, I was confronted with hard sell tactics to try and attempt me to take this substandard offer. The aerotek recruiter was invasive, attempting to gain insight into competing offers. When I declined the offer, the recruiter immediately offered to substitute this position as a Direct Hire, as if Contract for Hire was negotiable all along. The recruiter called several times requesting to negotiate the salary, but could never reach the absolute minimum we discussed.

But the real culprit here is the company that has sold its HR Department to the proverbial Devil. Why would I want to work for a company that uses a third party to recruit the desperate and the ignorant?

As a staffing professional, with over 25 years in the business, I'd like to offer a bit of advice. Not all agencies are the same! Not all recruiters are the same!

I manage a privately owned service in MA. My staff consists of individuals with at least 5 years of industry experience. We believe we have 2 sets of customers. The companies that call us when they need help and the candidates that come to us seeking work. We cannot exist without both. Many of the large national firms focus solely on the companies and it appears that most of your complaints are geared towards these types of agencies.

Research some of the smaller firms. They are the ones that take the time to build relationships. I work with contacts at companies that are people I placed 15 years ago. You want a recuiter that will work with you to find the right position.

We can't help everyone. I wish we could, but some candidates just don't have the necessary skills, history, or work ethic. We have a 50% no call/no show rate for interviews. If someone doesn't show up, then calls 2 days later, that is an indication to me as to the type of employee they may be.

We also try to respond to every resume we receive, but sometimes it just too difficult. There have been days that I receive over 300 resumes.

If a recruiter tries to hard sell you on a position, run the other way. However, as a candidate, treat an interview with an agency recruiter, as a real interview. Many people don't. They aren't dressed professionally, they arrive late, etc. These are all behaviors that recruiters look for.

Hopefully, these few tips will assist some of you. Research the agency just the way they are going to research you. There are many good services and good recruiters out there.

Good Luck

While you might be of help to the ones that posses the esay to place. You seem to be saying that if a person has made a wrong move in the past. That indicates to you that that person should pay for that mistake the rest of their lives.

Let me reflecet, that would be saying you ran a stop sigh yesterday. You might run a stop today. Their for there is no way that I can wirk with you.

Isn't that special.

dp103 in Dallas, Texas said: While you might be of help to the ones that posses the esay to place. You seem to be saying that if a person has made a wrong move in the past. That indicates to you that that person should pay for that mistake the rest of their lives.

Let me reflecet, that would be saying you ran a stop sigh yesterday. You might run a stop today. Their for there is no way that I can wirk with you.

Isn't that special.

That's not what I meant. We have given many people the benefit of the doubt and 2nd and sometimes 3rd chances. It's going to depend on the situation. I interviewed or started to interview someone a few weeks ago who answered her cell phone during the interview and after 5 minutes, was still on the phone. I excused myself and left the room. She ended her conversation 20 minutes later. She didn't take the interview seriously, so why should I.

All I was trying to say was that there are 2 sides, and when choosing an agency, make sure that you are choosing one that considers you a customer.

i AM SORRY TO HEAR OF THAT. That does not mean that every one is like that.

While most job listing have a lot of experience requiorments. Most of us do not possess all of those skills. We could learn like others that are earning a living.

DP103 in Dallas, Texas said: i AM SORRY TO HEAR OF THAT. That does not mean that every one is like that.

While most job listing have a lot of experience requiorments. Most of us do not possess all of those skills. We could learn like others that are earning a living.

We know that not every candidate is going to have every skill that a company is looking for. A good recruiter will sell the candidates strengths and skill level to the company, but the key is that the recruiter has to have a good relationship with the company in order to do that. The staffing firms that just try to place bodies in seats, haven't gained the trust of the companies, so it's much harder for them. We've had many placements where a candidate was missing some of the qualifications. Keep searching until you find the agency/recruiter that you are comfortable with. There are many good ones out there, unfortunately, we tend to hear only about the bad ones. That's what gives our industry such a bad name.

why is it so hard to find jobs when you have had a felony 10+ years ago, and had no new contact with the law, have experence in a field,and gettin government security clearences?

Yesterday I went to the mall. Guess what I saw everywhere I looked. Multi races. Most were here grom countrys and most did not speak english.

What is needed is for all these patrates to demand the borcers get closed and make English the national Language.

Maybe the fact that there are 20 people ready to take that low paying job will change

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: This is what I don't understand about all of you who are complaining.

I don't work for Aerotek ( I actually work for one of their competitors and do not agree with some of the things that they do as a company as a whole). But, working in the industry, I understand completely how their business works and can honestly say that you are all complaining for the wrong reasons.

1. As recruiters, we are paid to fill positions for companies with needs. If a client wants a 3 -5 year person, I do not care how qualified you are for the position. They are not going to pay for a 20 year employee. Period.

2. We do not get paid unless YOU get a position. Why would anyone in their right mind not get you an interview if you were qualified for the job? Perhaps, YOU think you are qualified, when in actuality, you are not.

3. If you are such a valuable commidity to companies, why are you complaining about a job you didnt get several months ago? Shouldn't you have tons of companies just waiting to throw money at you?

So go ahead, blame companies, blame recruiters, blame everyone. Do not blame the fact that maybe you've had 6 jobs in 5 years, or the fact that a company does not want an employee who will retire in 3 years, or maybe, just maybe, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

Imagine that? You did not get a job because you weren't the right person for it? Oh wait, I forgot...i go to work everyday NOT to make money....just to mess with you.

Dear Jody A. I have seen you on several messege boards regarding Aerotacky(Aerotek) I want to tell you this. Aerotek signs agreements with companies and gets paid a certain amount to find bodies to shove into s**t positions at minimum wages. How do i know? I was hired by them once. I also worked in their back office for 2 weeks and ran their shredder "Wink Wink" They are flat out frauds and crooks.....

completely irritated. Arlington Texas in Irving, Texas said: Dear Jody A. I have seen you on several messege boards regarding Aerotacky(Aerotek) I want to tell you this. Aerotek signs agreements with companies and gets paid a certain amount to find bodies to shove into s**t positions at minimum wages. How do i know? I was hired by them once. I also worked in their back office for 2 weeks and ran their shredder "Wink Wink" They are flat out frauds and crooks.....

Well said. Poor Jody she sounds as if she suffers from myopia, or just plain stupidity

Jody A. in Phoenix, Arizona said: Sir,

I think you have confused what an agency actually does.

WE DON'T HIRE ANYONE...we're a referral service. The employer ultimately hires the person. I'm sorry if companies choose to hire people are less qualified and younger than yourself, but in their defense...

hypothetically, if you are 55 years old with 30 years experience, you have 10 years left until retirement

a candidate who is 35 year old with 10 years experience has 30 more years until retirement.

So yes, as a business..the company has made the decision that long-term , the junior applicant will be more beneficial to the company.

Plus, in business, it comes down to the bottom line. If you can get it done cheaper, of course you get it done cheaper.

In response to you calling me liar, i promise you one thing. If an agency can get you a job, WE WILL JUMP THROUGH HOOPS FOR YOU.

Read my earlier comment again, sir. We are a business, not a government funded program. Plus, we don't charge you anything sir. So in reality, it just adds to your chances of finding good, meaningful employment.

But if you choose not to work with us, Good Luck to you and I wish you well

Jody, dear, If you could be found, you could get in some serious trouble by stating that "hypothetically, if you are 55 years old with 30 years experience, you have 10 years left until retirement

a candidate who is 35 year old with 10 years experience has 30 more years until retirement.

So yes, as a business..the company has made the decision that long-term , the junior applicant will be more beneficial to the company."

This is job discrimination! and I think I will send your reply to the department of Labor!

I worked in Aeros**ts back office for two weeks awhile back. I think it is improtant to say that Aeros**t hires large numbers of non english speaking hispanics for minimum and less than minimum wages, i am also concerned that they may hire illegals , no proof of this but just a concern. They also lie and mislead people about certain jobs. I was told that the job i was being hired for was "climate controlled" well sure the managers all had a nice air conditioned office while the rest of the employees were working in over 100 degree heat. the warehouse was 20 degrees warmer than the outside temperature. people passed out at a rate of 2-3 a week due to heat exhaustion. 90% of management spoke spanish and my suprvisor spoke almost no english i never understood anything that was going on!! I truly am not sure how they felt this was a good job match!!! I was injured and went on 2 weeks of medical leave. AEROS**T TOLD ME I HAD TO TAKE A JOB OFFER WORKING IN THEIR OFFICE!!! IF I DIDNT MY JOB COULD BE JEOPARDIZED,THEY MADE ME FEEL AS IF , IF I DID NOT ACCEPT THE OFFER I WOULD BE FIRED! NEEDLESS TO SAY WORKING IN THAT OFFICE WAS THE BEST THING I EVER DID! I LEARNED MORE ABOUT STAFFING AGENCIES THAN ANYONE WILL EVER WANT TO KNOW!! They lie, mislead, and pressure prospective employees. They have huge fast paced quotas and bring in as many interviews as they can EVEN IF THEY DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH!! Dont be fooled by any staffing agencies because i tested out another one only to get stabbed in the back (Cornerstone Staffing calls employees asking about attendence and job moral and such) Wanna know more?? just ask me.......

Monte, You sir are CORRECT. This is a picture of what takes place out there every day. You are not the only one that this is effecting. I have been asked how old I was and 2 weeks later I was not needed. Their is a very large group of nonethical agenceys out there thta go right along with this, (Jody) would be A-Typical.

Hi,

We're looking into a lot of these types of cases accross the country and noticed your post. What has been your experiences getting jobs with a record?