It seems to me that the best way to judge a leader is by turnover - what i mean by that is turnover on the roc level In this case, the story is not so good. I am counting 16 names of people who worked in this roc that are no longer with the company. Now i will give you this - at least three of those jobs were created. So lets say we have 13 people that have left the company since August of 2005. The total number of positions that i am counting for the roc is 14 if you don't include the docs or the rvp. The data speaks for itself. That is almost 100% turnover in two years. That is real high. Seems to me that it would be easier and better for the company to try to achieve some stability. As for the lying as mentioned above. I have seen some. In my case it was more about numbers than people. Several of the people that i work with believe that this rvp is rigid. That once he makes up his mind about something, then there is no changing his mind. Problem is, sometimes, as being human, he doesn't get all his facts straight. I have seen some improvement in his demeanor over time, but he i still all about the data. I wonder if he has looked at his own turnover data.....I guess I would like to feel some job security at some point in the future.