Waist of Time to Contact Them or Register - Fake Job Listings

As you can see, I live about 20 minutes from Poughkeepsie. What agency in Poughkeepsie do you work at?

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Wow, I feel like I'm listening to 2 kids on the playground.

How is everyone?

Your right.

EA Professional placement
I am looking for Accountants with 3 years min

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: And the self-serving headhunter malarkey continues......

YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON A RECRUITER.....BUT IT'S STILL A RECRUITER!

Hey Displaced!

In my experience, the majority of agency recruiters (I should know, I used to be one) are less than professional (am I being too nice?). Many of the experiences you and others have posted are 100% accurate. Recruiters will search the job boards looking for candidates they think they can use to "market" to firms that may not even have a posted position in the hopes that the recruiter can earn a fee. The problem is that sometimes they build up the hopes of the candidate and then cannot deliver. Also, if someone is not quite a fit, rather than try to find them something that does make sense, they will drop the candidate like a bad habit and move on the next one etc.

It's not fair to the candidate but unfortunately recruiting is a pure numbers game. The really sad thing is that I have passed on candidates that I would normally hire because of the huge $25,000 to $30,000 fee that some of these agencies charge.

Think about that: someones career taking a devastating blow because of an agency recruiter!

Many times, the candidate is not aware of what the agency is charging and do not realize they are being passed over when they might have received an offer otherwise. That's the real deception. Beware when a recruiter says they represent a company. Unless you are talking to someone, like me, who is a Corporate Recruiter who actually works for the company with the opening, then you could get passed over due to a fee.

I get 3 to 4 emails per day from recruiters saying they represent this Doctor or that Doctor and I just delete them. It's unfortunate but it's business. And I know they just found them on careerbuilder or some other job board.

Again, these are my experiences. There are some good recruiters out there . . . somewhere.

You make alot of sense, I am recruiter and one of things that really bothers me about some of the practices in my field is that people do get others hopes up. I personally try my best not to do that, but can't say its always the case. Sometimes I do a Pro bono placement with consent of my agency, but that be cause I know it will come back to other ways. I am sorry to all those that feel like they have been burned or mistreated (its like any profession, the are good ones and bad ones)
I wish luck to all and to the recruiters who practice decit, look at things from the other persons point of view.

I do agree things do happen, and I wish things were different but it is what it is...

anon in Houston, Texas said: I registered at their houston location, scored high on all of the computer tests, spent my time registering and going over my job requirements with them, etc. I called them everyday for job opening that would pop up on their website that I was a perfect match for. Not once did they return my call to coordinate an interview with an employer for an appropriate job. They called me for a couple of one day temp jobs, one of which was at a movie theatre..?? - jobs I was way OVER QUALIFIED for! I was insulted! I'm a desktop publisher, not a minimum wage ticket taker! This went on for a couple of months and I went the direct hire route. Recruiters and temporary agencies in Houston leave a lot to be desired.

Yes, I am in total agreement with all these complaints about Apple one. I went to one in the Inland Empire in California, I waited almost 2 hours before got helped, only to talk like 15-20 minutes to a lady who said she spotted me sitting there waiting and knew I was an "older" one with experience. "We need someone like you" she says, gave me good tips and said I am a great candidate. SO 2 times I contacted them after than to send me the test via email like they were suppose to, never responded and never heard a thing. TERRIBLE Place, I will NOT recommend it. I have tons of years of experience with a Great Telecommunications company and they lost out on a good employee, not me!

BELOW IS A JOB DESCRIPTION THAT APPLE ONE SENT ME IN PREPARING FOR A PHONE INTERVIEW. APPARENTLY THE RECRUITER FORGOT TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE DESCRIPTION -WASTING MY TIME AND THEIRS.

"When discussing the sales position, inform candidates they will need to analyze customer needs and find an IT solution = "Diagnostic Solutions Representative". This company develops and delivers comprehensive, customer-focused solutions and on-going support that optimize technology investments by improving business processes, reducing costs, and increasing productivity. For this reason, avoid telling the candidate the position is for copy machine sales. Sell the candidate on analyzing customer needs and finding an IT solution with digital imaging."

DONT BE FOOLED....ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS!!!

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said:
"When discussing the sales position, inform candidates they will need to analyze customer needs and find an IT solution = "Diagnostic Solutions Representative". This company develops and delivers comprehensive, customer-focused solutions and on-going support that optimize technology investments by improving business processes, reducing costs, and increasing productivity. For this reason, avoid telling the candidate the position is for copy machine sales. Sell the candidate on analyzing customer needs and finding an IT solution with digital imaging."

What I find interesting is your point the finger at this agency when its pretty apparent that the client that the agency represents is asking them to comply to some standard when presenting said company.

The above-mentioned blurb is a prime example of what a lot of companies will send to an agency. Specifically, they will define what the agency can and cannot convey to the potential applicant. Hmm..it is a conspiracy I tell you!

It might benefit us all to be reminded that the client and their job control an agency. If they want you to present a job in a certain manner don't think for a second when that ad goes up that client will not be looking at and scrutinizing that ad for the proper language as defined by them.

Part of the service in which a agency provides is keeping what ever degree of anonymity about the client and its product intact as requested. Secondly, whenever you would like to not do business with a service like AppleOne for example please take a moment and ask for a refund. Oh, that is right! It is a free service to you as just one of many alternative resources for you to use in your job search.

Have a nice day.

A simple minded comment from a simple minded person. Although the request may be made from the client, apple one and the recruiters have the right to do business with whomever they choose to.
I would think any company that utilizes a professional recruiting agency may go there seeking professional advice. Clearly I must believe it would not be in the best interest of the recruiting company to fabricate such information? In doing so they run the potential risk of exhausting the time of both their customer and a potential candidate. BOTH in whom they represent.Is saving time not a benefit for companies who outsource their recruiting efforts? Is saving time not a benefit for potential candidates who utilize this FREE service.
And yes you are correct the service is FREE and the only thing lost is my time and consideration. Unfortunately, and very apparent - unlike you, I value those two things very much.

Thank you. Constructive information that may better assist individuals considering a professional recruiting agency. Had the offered position been as alluring as the job posting submitted by the appleone recruiter, I would have been happy to compensate him for the efforts -though being bound to a contact would be to much regard.
It is a shame this industry is not better regulated. They are assisting people with their livelihood and you would think because of this responsibility that there would be better guidelines and standards set in place.
I dont believe that all recruiters act in unscrupulous ways, but believe that without education and protocols set, there is room for liability.
I wish all satisfying efforts for all those that utilize these services, but as stated in my first blog, ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
Hopefully by reading these blogs, it better serves those whom may be working with recruiters and staffing agencies throughout.

I had the same experience at the AppleOne here in Charleston. I kept seeing all these jobs that I was more than qualified for and not once did I get a call back. A friend who has a cousin that worked for the company in another state said they have to have so many ads listed on employment sites (monster, careerbuilder, etc) every week and if they don't actually have jobs to list, they just make them up. My question is why - does anyone know why they continue to waste not only our time, but their own as well??? The girl I first met with did seem unusually interested in my references - I felt like I was being used for some kind of contact list for their benefit or something. It's really false advertisement and something needs to be done about it. I've complained to monster, but they don't seem to really care - I guess it would be biting the hand that feeds you.

I will agree with most if not all on here, Appleone is very unprofessional for most part.

I have registered with them,etc.etc. and their biggest problem is lack of communication with one another. I went to one local office and did all testing,etc. and I would follow-up with them and nothing with them in fact the person I talked to ended up moving into a different position within Appleone and didn't give notice to anyone else that they worked with about I have these candidates looking for work.

So I went to another local Appleone, and pretty much same thing.

They don't care. I can understand them being busy, but in general they don't care which is funny considering that is how they make their money is by placing candidates with their clients.

I have worked for a temp staffing where I helped candidates get work even though I was working for a local agency and more limited,etc. definitely more professional there and we actually cared.

Don't go through Appleone.

Rebecca in Folsom in San Lorenzo, California said: I have a temp reporting to me from Apple One right now. Prior to starting with us, she worked in the Apple One office and told me how they put fake ads in the papers and online to lure people in to fill their stables. I believe her, because when I moved up here I had a heck of a time finding a job and coming from the Bay Area making 70k a year in management positions, I wasn't about to work for $10 an hour, which is what they offered me after I called them over and over. For crying out loud, I was making more $$ on unemployment!
Stay Away

So wait..you have a temp from the agency? So you/your company must have given them the job order? They recruited a candidate in (by placing an ad) and qualified that candidate. How many people do you think responded to that one job? How many people who thought they should have gotten that job? How many people do you interview? How many of those people think they are actually qualified, but you yourself turn away because they don't meet your standard or fit your company culture. Just wondering?

You folks are pretty hilarious. All the factors that go into placing just one person, all the skills, personality, all the tangibles and intangibles. No, the jobs are not fake. You probably just didn't realize that not everyone is perfect for ever job despite the fact you might be able to do all the hard-skills listed in the job description. Oh and for you sensitive people, in staffing you have to have empathy not sympathy. I can understand and even relate to your problems in the job search. I cannot however get bogged down by that fact or I would never get anything done. Unfortunately despite what ever you think about yourself, not everyone who walks through the door is a candidate that I would represent for one reason or another.

Typically it is because of an attitude problem nine times out of ten. Good luck in your job search.

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Hey Displaced!
In my experience, the majority of agency recruiters (I should know, I used to be one) are less than professional (am I being too nice?). Many of the experiences you and others have posted are 100% accurate. Recruiters will search the job boards looking for candidates they think they can use to "market" to firms that may not even have a posted position in the hopes that the recruiter can earn a fee. The problem is that sometimes they build up the hopes of the candidate and then cannot deliver. Also, if someone is not quite a fit, rather than try to find them something that does make sense, they will drop the candidate like a bad habit and move on the next one etc.

I would actually agree to the above point on a couple issues. One of the biggest problems today is that recruiters make the mistake of over promising and under producing. The fact is that is pretty common from most companies and not just agencies.

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said:
It's not fair to the candidate but unfortunately recruiting is a pure numbers game. The really sad thing is that I have passed on candidates that I would normally hire because of the huge $25,000 to $30,000 fee that some of these agencies charge.

If the recruiter has done the job they set out to do fee is secondary to the "right" candidate. Companies will pay for the "right" candidate all day long. A fact we prove day in and day out.

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said:
Many times, the candidate is not aware of what the agency is charging and do not realize they are being passed over when they might have received an offer otherwise.

This statement is pretty comical. Companies who want someone don't pass on them. They just negotiate a fee that they can live with. If they passed on a candidate the fee wasn't a factor if they really wanted the candidate in the first place. Just saying..

Staffing Guru in Somewhere out there, California said: So wait..you have a temp from the agency? So you/your company must have given them the job order? They recruited a candidate in (by placing an ad) and qualified that candidate. How many people do you think responded to that one job? How many people who thought they should have gotten that job? How many people do you interview? How many of those people think they are actually qualified, but you yourself turn away because they don't meet your standard or fit your company culture. Just wondering?

You folks are pretty hilarious. All the factors that go into placing just one person, all the skills, personality, all the tangibles and intangibles. No, the jobs are not fake. You probably just didn't realize that not everyone is perfect for ever job despite the fact you might be able to do all the hard-skills listed in the job description. Oh and for you sensitive people, in staffing you have to have empathy not sympathy. I can understand and even relate to your problems in the job search. I cannot however get bogged down by that fact or I would never get anything done. Unfortunately despite what ever you think about yourself, not everyone who walks through the door is a candidate that I would represent for one reason or another.

Typically it is because of an attitude problem nine times out of ten. Good luck in your job search.

You are absolutely right. Well said.

Staffing Guru in Somewhere out there, California said: So wait..you have a temp from the agency? So you/your company must have given them the job order? They recruited a candidate in (by placing an ad) and qualified that candidate. How many people do you think responded to that one job? How many people who thought they should have gotten that job? How many people do you interview? How many of those people think they are actually qualified, but you yourself turn away because they don't meet your standard or fit your company culture. Just wondering?

You folks are pretty hilarious. All the factors that go into placing just one person, all the skills, personality, all the tangibles and intangibles. No, the jobs are not fake.

"Staffing Guru" is a bit of a staffing bully -continually trying to intimidate anyone that posts negative comments about the staffing industry. Unfortunately I do not see many coming to his/her defense. In fact, reading the numerous comments made, it seems even past recruiters willing admit to the neglect and lack of professionalism that many staffing firms offer. His/her lack of compassion, professionalism, and willingness to hide behind an ego may make him the perfect "staffing guru", but his defense only verifies our accusations and I consider him just another "staffing idiot". I do however believe not all are that way...
Though the person may have someone reporting to her from appleone - my guess is with the recent situation, her company will not be using appleone again???
I am happy that "staffing guru" may pride his/herself on only taking empathy, and laugh at peoples misfortunes or the deceptions the have encountered. His/her comments should act towards a reminder of the skill level many of these staffing firms look for when hiring people to work for them.

I just think it's hilarious that the "Guru" made a comment about attitudes usually being the problem. Why so defensive anyway? Sounds like a nerve was struck. And since you are the guru, It seems you would have more important things to do than spend so much time defending the staffing business - I don't know....like maybe helping someone get a job??

Mimi318 in Charleston, South Carolina said: I just think it's hilarious that the "Guru" made a comment about attitudes usually being the problem. Why so defensive anyway? Sounds like a nerve was struck. And since you are the guru, It seems you would have more important things to do than spend so much time defending the staffing business - I don't know....like maybe helping someone get a job??

Actually not defensive at all. Just explaining what most of you should know but neglect to acknowledge as the truth of the matter.

So much time you say? 4-5 posts in a span of multiple months. You are right, I totally see your point. I will apologize for speaking on behalf of the people you folks are so quick to bash. Though I do post rarely it seems to hit a nerve more in your responses then mine.

Finally yes, helping some but not all. Unemployed? Shouldn't you be looking for a job instead of bashing a company where you had at least a chance of employment? Employed? Shouldn't you be working? You see I can use circular arguments also. Take what I say as advice and less as some perceived attack. My only purpose is to make you aware of both sides of the story.

Again and always good luck in your job search.

Forgive us, "staffing guru" we are not worthy of your existence. To have an opportunity to work with such talent as yourself would be such a goal for any person seeking employment. Your vast knowledge and understanding of the staffing industry should not go unaccounted for.
I didn't realize that Mimi in Charleston was unemployed? Where did it state that? Watch out "Guru", Mimi may just be looking for a recruiter on the west coast? Your "4 or 5" posts are always demeaning in one way or another to the person with the opinion and really state no actual facts, but lousy opinions. I think you should post more often - you help to validate the lack of knowledge and education needed for your office. I have a client who is a recruiter - though after discussion, he told me how his office works with a more ethical approach. Perhaps if this is what they are teaching you, "Guru" you should find other work?
Oh an some of us are not unemployed -at least I can say I am not - nor was I when I went to Appleone. Some of us work for ourselves, or have the privlage of working on our own time. When you go home and tell mommy and daddy what a good job you did today, some of us will still be working or preparing for the next day.
Staffing Guru - you amuse me, but very evident that you have much to learn. I doubt you have ever stared adversity in the face. Kharma is out there "Guru". Dont fall shame to under qualified mentors.

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said: Forgive us, "staffing guru" we are not worthy of your existence. To have an opportunity to work with such talent as yourself would be such a goal for any person seeking employment. Your vast knowledge and understanding of the staffing industry should not go unaccounted for.

I applaud your sarcasm. It was worth a giggle.

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said:
I didn't realize that Mimi in Charleston was unemployed? Where did it state that?

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said:
You must of missed the question mark behind the "Unemployed?". No that couldn't have happened. You just got done telling us how superior you and your education are.I must be confused..

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said:
Watch out "Guru", Mimi may just be looking for a recruiter on the west coast? Your "4 or 5" posts are always demeaning in one way or another to the person with the opinion and really state no actual facts, but lousy opinions. I think you should post more often - you help to validate the lack of knowledge and education needed for your office.

You call my posts demeaning; I call them simple facts that you seem to be incapable of comprehending. If anything is being validated it would be a lack of common sense on your part. Unfortunately even the most educated often fall short when it comes to that subject.

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said:
I have a client who is a recruiter - though after discussion, he told me how his office works with a more ethical approach.

What do you find unethical about placing qualified candidates? Or are you just like the rest of the posters, scorned and beyond logical discussion? Thank you for mentioning my "mommy and daddy". They passed away long ago, very proud. The superior level(s) of professionalism and ethics flow from your posts.

doh..my silly simple sell quoted myself with your name. Oh can you forgive my blunder? I await your next attack on my education and ability. Have a wonderful day!

Now, now, children. Let's stop arguing. Let's save our energy to look for a job.

Guru -how many posts does this add to??

I don't need to attack your education or ability - you've shown your maturity quite well on your own. This had been amusing, but is beginning to waste my time. Anyone can pick apart pieces of a post and consider themselves of knowledge. Sorry if your parents are deceased. I will take back -go home and tell your dog what a great job you did today! Wait, having a dog may show too much compassion. Go get a fish.

To make this blog of any helpful knowledge for any possible job seekers, I will end it as I had my first posting here: ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS WHEN USING RECRUITERS and follow it up by stating: "IF HE/SHE REFERS TO THEMSELVES AS A STAFFING GURU -RUN!!!!"

Mr/Mrs. Guru - Get to work, they arent paying you to blog all day. Or ARE THEY???

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said: Guru -how many posts does this add to??

You are right! Lots of posts today! Was it not you that requested I post more just a short while ago?!

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said:
I don't need to attack your education or ability - you've shown your maturity quite well on your own.

So wait! Is it my education and ability or my maturity? It is funny. I asked you some very simple questions and you have yet to even compose an answer. I have responded with simple counterpoints but that seems to be lost on you completely.

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said:
This had been amusing, but is beginning to waste my time. Anyone can pick apart pieces of a post and consider themselves of knowledge. Sorry if your parents are deceased. I will take back -go home and tell your dog what a great job you did today! Wait, having a dog may show too much compassion. Go get a fish.

What is the relevance of a dog or a fish? Oh, that's right just another attempt by you to make some moral judgment and skate the actual conversation completely. Hmm...

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said:
To make this blog of any helpful knowledge for any possible job seekers, I will end it as I had my first posting here: ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS WHEN USING RECRUITERS and follow it up by stating: "IF HE/SHE REFERS TO THEMSELVES AS A STAFFING GURU -RUN!!!!"

I will continue to keep my sentences simple and use very small words in an attempt to provoke a thought inspired response beyond some cut about my "compassion".

I have responded with direction and answered the previous posts openly about the truth of the staffing world. In return, you post some wall of text regarding dogs, fish, and compassion. Interesting, somewhat educational, and very funny...If you cannot post on topic please continue to feign funny.

We all applaud you "Guru". You are far more superior.
Please all that read: post a thank you to the "guru" His/her wit, intelligence, and demeanor is one of superiority. We should boost the ego and self esteem so that she may continue to advise those in need in any manner she finds necessary.

Thank You "Guru". You illustrate the deepest concerns for those you accommodate.

Now please, get to work. People need jobs out there and you may be next...

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: More of the same-old, same-old, self-serving, self-aggrandizing headhunter bushwa. Your problem, "Guru," is simple. You cannot face the truth about your "profession." I mean, come on. Everyone knows you people use false ads to lure in job seekers. Even one of your kind admitted it:

I hate to assume, but you seem like a bright person. But, how can you contend that if one person does it "you people use false ads to lure job seekers" is now an absolute?

Now, I have to ask, one of my kind? You people? Do you mean human? Employer? I mean really? Come on now.

Let me make it simple as possible for everyone reading. Recruiters are sit in that desk to do a couple things. First, provide the means to live by for the family they have at home. Second, keep viable (I wish that I could bold and underline viable) candidates and clients satisfied when ever possible.

My ideal candidate? One that needs me less then I need them. Think about that last statement carefully.

Appleone Lies in New York, New York said: We all applaud you "Guru". You are far more superior.
Please all that read: post a thank you to the "guru" His/her wit, intelligence, and demeanor is one of superiority. We should boost the ego and self esteem so that she may continue to advise those in need in any manner she finds necessary.

Thank You "Guru". You illustrate the deepest concerns for those you accommodate.

Now please, get to work. People need jobs out there and you may be next...

Well at least you are keeping up with my last request. Keep up the funny.

I agree--I pulled my resume from public view on Monster and Dice. All I would get was calls or emails from agencies--even when I included "principals only."

Mr/Mrs. Guru - Get to work, they arent paying you to blog all day. Or ARE THEY???

I agree. Why are you wasting your time trying to tell us how great you are. It really doesn't mean anything to us.

I will say there are some good agents and agencies out there. But it only takes one bad apple (and believe me there are a lot more than one!) Frankly we don't have time to waste taking tests and going to interviews where someone gets you in on the premise of a job that they don't really have. Or does a bait-and-switch to try to shoehorn you into a job you hate. That doesn't serve either the corporate client or the job-seeker.

Until and unless agencies clean their own houses, they're going to be looked on as the equivalent of used car salesmen.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Actually, "Guru," I am somewhat bright - perhaps as bright or brighter than you. I have a 129 IQ, "Guru" - one point below "gifted" and eleven points below "genius." Moreover, my mother thinks I'm so bright she calls me "Sonny"!!

I have to admit your pun was amusing.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:
Because it's common knowledge and well settled that you people use false ads to lure job seekers for nefarious purposes. At least Mr. Grant was honest enough to admit it and he's my example. I respect him for admitting it.

Is it common knowledge as you say, or just a scorned applicant of an agency to upset to see thing objectively? Mr. Grant is a poor example because he admittedly has a moral compass that is misguided. You use an example of someone who has little to no credibility just from the mere fact he is an admitted liar. You are in the legal profession, I am sure you are intimately aware in the flaw of using such an example to make a case. One breath you are commending his honesty and in the next pointing out he falsifies information on a daily basis. Yes, this is truly someone that I would base an airtight case around.

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Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:
Now don't try to shove down my throat your anticipated malarkey the job may have been filled. You know as well as I do jobs aren't filled that quickly. Candidates still must pass the selection interview(s) with the client after getting past the headhunter. That doesn't happen that quickly and you know it doesn't.

Let me address these statements firsts.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:
Now don't try to shove down my throat your anticipated malarkey the job may have been filled. You know as well as I do jobs aren't filled that quickly. Candidates still must pass the selection interview(s) with the client after getting past the headhunter.

False- Candidates do not have to pass the “selection interview(s) with a client after getting to the headhunter”. As a matter of fact a “potential client company” puts themselves in a position of higher risk when it comes to Co-Employment issues when demanding to interview a potential applicant. Depending on the level of applicant being submitted I would advise my client company/companies to not put themselves at risk unless doing a direct hire scenario.

That however does not eliminate the need for a selection interview 100% of the time, but does cast a reasonable alternative to your particular instance. I could rattle off a multitude of other possible alternatives, but I am sure you get the point.

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Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:
That doesn't happen that quickly and you know it doesn't.

Again dealing in absolutes? So, how do you know where this agency was at in the process of placing a candidate with said company? Could a deal between the client and potential candidate be on the table? Could that client have met just one good candidate and made a decision eliminating both the position and the need for any further applicants? Could another agency have filled it? You see the list goes on and on. Day in and day out we receive actual orders from clients. The sales cycle varies by level, client expectations (in which they define) and required skills. All of which are valid alternatives to your doom and gloom that I could use to dissect your scenario further. You see an ominous misguided plot of the “bait and switch” and I see a lot of factors that you either not aware of or are unable to address objectively.

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Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:
Not only did that individual lie to my wife, that individual tried to pull a bait-and-switch on her. You know about pulling baits-and-switches on candidates, don't you, "Guru"? The headhunter-liar could have been honest. The individual could have called my wife and told her the job had been filled. The individual could have asked her if she still wanted to come in. But no!! Instead, that individual wasted my wife's time and effort for no good reason.

All I see is someone who overlooks the obvious to support his/her conspiracy theories. When a recruiter is being paid to get results for both the applicant(s) and the client(s) meeting with candidates that do nothing for you in any way, shape, or form is just poor planning. It makes no sense at all to bring someone into an office if you cannot do anything with that person. Despite it being a waste or your time (whomever), it is also alternatively a waste of that recruiter’s time.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:
Exactly. People like you, my friend - as in "you headhunters." Or, "you deceivers." Or, "you rude individuals." Don't forget "your ilk." Got it, "Guru"?

Such disdain, such hatred, one can wonder how anyone could read what you post and believe that anything you say could be objective. So, tell me your story. What was it that happened to you? Was it even related to AppleOne? Or do you troll these boards bashing any agency you can?

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Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:
Actually, "Guru," "them" is a plural while "one" and "candidate" are singulars. Your nouns should agree if you’re gonna use them in the same sentence. And no one needs you, "Guru," and your brethren, or their lies, deceptions, inconsiderate behavior and rudeness. Think about THAT statement. "Guru."

Thank you for clearing that up. It wasn’t the first time I have used poor grammar and it won’t be the last time I am sure. I still find it amusing that most responses by “you” people don’t actually stay on topic. You tend to bash something totally unrelated to skate the actual conversation. Oh, and if applicants didn’t need my company, the staffing industry, or me staffing would not be a multi-billion dollar industry. Also, candidates would stop coming into the offices and calling in droves.

Let me ask you this. The companies you hate so much like AppleOne for example, how long do you think they have been doing business? How many people do you think an average office sees weekly, monthly or yearly? I see a handful of haters but out of all the thousands that come through the door it is still only a handful. That must say something about the handful that did not get a result.

Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida said: Mr/Mrs. Guru - Get to work, they arent paying you to blog all day. Or ARE THEY???

I agree. Why are you wasting your time trying to tell us how great you are. It really doesn't mean anything to us.

You draw your own inferences from what I am telling you. Unfortunately you seem to be reading into what I am saying more then just simply reading.

Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida said: Mr/Mrs. Guru - Get to work, they arent paying you to blog all day. Or ARE THEY???

That wasn't me. I was just copying and pasting what someone else said. My comment was the "I agree. Why ---"

Guri, I do have to say, I am having a hard time trying to understand exactly what it is you are trying to say in your comments. Is it me?, or are you writing a lot of BS trying to confuse people, to make yourself look good.

Example: You draw your own inferences from what I am telling you. Unfortunately you seem to be reading into what I am saying more then just simply reading.

Your comment, "Unfortunately you seem to be reading into what I am saying more THAN (not then) just simple reading." Almost all of us are well educated. Of course we read inferences in what others say. We would be stupid not to.

For the most part, I really don't know what you are trying to say. Are you trying to tell us that recruiters are interested in finding the best candidate for the job? Then it's obvious you work for the company paying you. You're pimping. Are you trying to tell us we don't get job because we're not the best candidate, or we re flawed? That's not true, because when you're REAL EDUCATED, it's unlikely there is something wrong with us. You push the candidate you choose to the company paying you (whatever criteria you use, which is usually based on what a company wants). Today that criteria is young, pretty, and cheap.

Staffing Guru in Somewhere out there, California said: Let me address these statements firsts.

False- Candidates do not have to pass the “selection interview(s) with a client after getting to the headhunter”. As a matter of fact a “potential client company” puts themselves in a position of higher risk when it comes to Co-Employment issues when demanding to interview a potential applicant. Depending on the level of applicant being submitted I would advise my client company/companies to not put themselves at risk unless doing a direct hire scenario.

That however does not eliminate the need for a selection interview 100% of the time, but does cast a reasonable alternative to your particular instance. I could rattle off a multitude of other possible alternatives, but I am sure you get the point.

continued...

I don't even know what this was trying to tell us. If there is not a selection interview - then just what the flake is it. I had two interviews (real interviews) and the jobs were temp to perm. All jobs are temp to perm. If they don't like you, then you're gone. Used to be, a temp to perm, meant you were interviewed by the placement agency, your resume went to the company, you went to the job. If it worked out, you stayed. But to do an interview with an agency, then another with a company, for a temp to perm -

it is obvious this is an employer's market. So don't waste your time getting us worked up. You are pimping for a company, and we are your ho's. That's obvious. P.S. work on your grammer (grammar), then (than). You're not impressing anyone here.

Guru" said: Oh, and if applicants didn’t need my company, the staffing industry, or me staffing would not be a multi-billion dollar industry. Also, candidates would stop coming into the offices and calling in droves.

You are a multi-billion dollar industry because companies use staffing agencies to recruit applicants. The problem is, staffing companies are going down because they're charing $4,000 or more for applicants. Most companies are doing without staffing agencies today. You're pimping for companies - but it's not working in today's market. You are here for the companies, not the applicants.

uuuugh "Guru" you are like the bad person on a reality TV show -the one who really doesn't have any friends and you cant stand to watch, but you just gotta see what stupid thing may come from him next. Worst part is you always have to have a last word. That profiles insecurity. Though us reading already knew that with just your name....Now Get to work "guru, this doesn't really concern you....

...One of the other things I forgot to mention in my original blog was how "shady" my recruiter looked. First I waited in this reception area where they had a plug in radio that wasnt tuned in. But then this recruiter met with me... I am wearing a decent suit, polished shoes, monogrammed button down - by no means bragging for this blog, but looking professional, (after all, this position as noted in original blog was tech driven ect, ect)
When the recruiter came out. He was wearing "docker" style pants, a golf shirt,a blazer that didnt match with rubber soled dress shoes and I dont think he had a belt. That was MY first impression of appleone and I was concerned. He didnt look very professional or carry himself that way. He was however a pretty nice guy. Oh, and he was apparently the manager. I just couldn't understand how this guy could be understanding of my needs. This may sound rude and I dont mean for it to, but he just looked too cheap. Me being judgmental?? maybe. But I couldnt see how he would relate to me. But he DID have that great looking position, so I suppose I should continue with this interview. I forgot to also mention that it was my birthday that day. What a great way to start my bday - interviewing for a copy sales job, with a guy who looked like he should be hustling ginzo knives somewhere. I see great things ahead!! lol
Just be careful, and go with instincts. Not all are like "guru" but it seems more than most.
Guru- we dont need your reply. You dont need to have the last word. Thankfully like turning off reality tv shows, we can choose to turn off computers!

Most definitely a lawyer. Maybe a law firm manager. How come Guru hasn't told us how old he/she is and level of education.

I have a feeling right now she feels hyped up in her job, thinks she's a bigshot, and is seeing the employment world through rose colored glasses - and probably going out for drinks after work, in her pretty, size 2 dress, spending money on her Mastercard, trying to keep up her style. Better watch out, Guru, it will catch up with you, just like it did with some of us. Don't overdo it with the credit cards.

Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida said:
You are a multi-billion dollar industry because companies use staffing agencies to recruit applicants. The problem is, staffing companies are going down because they're charing $4,000 or more for applicants. Most companies are doing without staffing agencies today. You're pimping for companies - but it's not working in today's market. You are here for the companies, not the applicants.

Really? Agencies going down? Hmm, interesting. Which pray tell? Mom and pops or the AppleOne's of the world? Quick D&B search I wouldn't suggest AppleOne is going anywhere anytime soon. 40+ years in the industry. Over a billion is sales..Interesting. You say I don't have the facts?

So he/she DOES work for apple one!?! Any Docker pants and blazers for professional interviews??
The other thing that really surprised me was how big the inside of the office was and yet there was only 2 people working in there and their desks were pushed together - so while I interviewed, the other girl could hear me, and I could hear her making cold calls from the want ads.

I worked with a "mom and pop" agency as well. Still keep in contact with them. Very professional, You could tell it is their true passion. Mom and pops have that reputation - more personable, more professional. They dont seem to consider themselves "gurus" and they are true entrepreneurs who understand other peoples time. They truly understand business because they run their own. "Guru" like many other recruiters might not have that experience. There experience is what appleone, or any other large firm teaches them. Tie that in with immaturity and it is a recipe for disaster. I wish it would be governed a little closer...

I think I'm going to throw up . . .

Over a billion is sales..Interesting.

That is interesting. You're in the selling business. Like I said, you're pimping.

Per Karen in New York City:
Nothing since then, most of the temp agencies I knew are gone (post 9/11), the few remaining don't have enough work for those already registered w/ them & the agencies themselves have that stricken, terrified look. I know a few of these agents for 10-15 yrs. & recognize the look of fear in their eyes.

Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida said: Are you trying to tell us we don't get job because we're not the best candidate, or we re flawed? That's not true, because when you're REAL EDUCATED, it's unlikely there is something wrong with us. You push the candidate you choose to the company paying you (whatever criteria you use, which is usually based on what a company wants). Today that criteria is young, pretty, and cheap.

So, you believe that education dictates who is able to get a job? While it can be an important factor, it is just one of many. Relevance is dictated by a client company.

Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida said:
Today that criteria is young, pretty, and cheap.

If you feel this is true then why aren't we seeing more companies in court over discrimination violations? While age ("Young") is a protected class, pretty isn't. I would have to know more about what you mean by cheap to explain that further.

I am sorry you are confused by what I am trying to explain. I offer viable alternatives to each equation with examples that happen daily. Unfortunately many on this board are blinded by bad a experience(s). This obviously is a limiting factor when it comes to being objective with the information.

Everyone please take a moment and actually read my post(s) and respond with regard to what I am saying vs. the diatribe that you continue to post.