Arizona State University Police Department Review (from an employee)

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311 in Tempe, Arizona

12 months ago

When thinking of a career at the ASU Police Department one word comes to mind RUN! If nobody will take you, if you wore out your welcome everywhere else, or your background is so bad you need a waiver, then apply now and regret it later. If this isn’t you, then realize the other Police departments are starting to hire more frequently and simply offer many more opportunities in every way imaginable.

People are starting and leaving all the time, year after year, so if family, friends, or school are important forget it. The people who stay are there for a reason and it’s never a good one. The schedule gets changed over and over throughout the year, it’s impossible to get time off, no uniform allowance, no take home car, comp time instead of overtime, and unless you tape record every conversation the dept. won’t back you up in a dispute with the public.

If something happens you won’t have adequate backup, you’re on your own. It’s like being a glorified security guard, getting paid like one, getting treated like one, and praying to the lord that nothing bad happens. The department reputation is dangerous for your career. The morale is in the pits. The lack of step increases or any raises for years is amazing, and the politics/cliques are absurd for an agency this size and with so little responsibility.

Your only hope of making more than 40K and change is to promote, work a lot of overtime, or win the lottery. If you are looking to be a real cop and have a rewarding career in law enforcement where you’ll be respected by your department and the public, then don’t give up searching for other department openings. They open and close frequently, make a list of the department with a hyper link to their job posting area. You need to aggressively pursue this task, there’s a reason ASUPD is ALWAYS hiring…If you are young, ambitious, not desperate, or simply want a satisfying job as an officer then go with one of the big names and save yourself a lot of bull.

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oldsaltyidgaf in phoenix, Arizona

12 months ago

Yes, I have noticed a lot of the issues you have mentioned as well. After working in LE for years, having many friends in other agencies, it's hard to say where the blame for what's been happening at ASUPD goes. People have a tendency to blame the head of the organization for shortcomings, but from what I have seen at the ASU Police Dept. the issues you mentioned cover a lot of ground and people. There is a collective blame, people want to single out the chief, but that's not fair, he's not god, he can't know everything. If he opened up and talked with the troops one on one out in the field he'd find out what he needs to know.

The chief only knows what people are willing to tell him and the politics are so bad nobody knows who's doing what and why. Most agencies expect the public to lie, but not the brothers on the thin blue line who are supposed to have your back. It's sad. YES, the politics/cliques are pretty bad and it's not going away since many of the players are supervisors.

No single rain drop thinks it is responsible for the flood. A lot of small unethical things never really get the attention they deserve for all the ranks at the department and this undermines the department mission, it undermines the code of ethics for law enforcement, and ultimately it weakens a department to the point where it stops functioning as one.

Every officer from top to bottom took an oath. We have to ask ourselves, "Are we honoring this oath?" Are we doing everything we can to serve the public and keep them safe? Are we serving ourselves and driving out good officers because we're putting ourselves above what the public deserves? Our department has been weakened because of the selfishness, the pettiness, and the public we serve are being cheated, it's not right, but I don't see it changing. If you don't like it vote with your feet and beat it.

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Secret Squirrel in Arizona

12 months ago

I agree with the first post made by 311 in regards to the ASU Police Department. There is a reason why ASU always has openings at the PD--they treat their employees like expendable objects. Rather then investing the time and energy to build up an employee's confidence and skill set, ASU uses them until they are run into the ground. If an employee dare speak up about the wrongs they see around them, they are either run out of the department by frivolous internal affairs investigations, or they are treated poorly until they finally resign (this is assuming the person doesn't quit within their first week at the PD).

Morale is nonexistent at ASUPD, partially because those who blatantly do wrong are never punished (and, more often than not, end up getting rewarded!), and also because there is a large group of people who would much rather push someone else down to get ahead. It is scary trying to effectively do your job knowing that your department and fellow officers would rather do things that benefit themselves than to do what is ethically/morally/legally right.

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Secret Squirrel in Arizona

12 months ago

Uniform allowance, shift differential, and step increases do not exist at ASUPD; officers are constantly told there is no money in the budget for those things, yet the majority of command staff have take-home vehicles, uniform allowances, and various other benefits.

Staffing is beyond the critical stage, so if you need adequate backup when stuff hits the fan, you'd be better off calling Tempe/Phoenix/Mesa's 911 dispatchers directly to get a prompt response. As 311 also said, your schedule changes on a regular basis because of the low staffing, so taking your earned time off rarely happens. ASU doesn't even have the manpower to staff its own special events!!

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Secret Squirrel in Arizona

12 months ago

There isn't enough space to adequately spell out all the problems that exist at the ASU Police Department. I understand every PD has its own issues, however, they are generally more substantial at larger departments (ie, Phoenix PD instigating IAs and terminating Officers for sexual assault, drugs) instead of the relatively benign things ASU chooses to self-perpetuate.

There ARE good people at ASUPD; unfortunately, they either get run out or leave on their own. In sum, any potential benefit of working at ASU is outweighed by the substantial amount of problem that are rampant in the department; this could be an awesome place to be if the university cleaned out the dead weight. Until that happens, I wouldn't advise applying here.

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T Doggs in Phoenix, Arizona

12 months ago

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. My thanks to the other posters who had the stones to come out and post, truth is your friend. If you conduct yourself with the absence of truth in a profession where trust in your fellow officers on the street is essential, where public trust in the department is essential, then you do a disservice to everyone, it’s not just about you. Hey Oldsaltyidgaf, the oath is mission critical important, I will never lose sight of that, no matter how many years in the business I have, but it’s just words to the uninitiated.

When you look at how unprepared for the mission ASUPD is, it’s shameful. The people at the controls jeopardize the mission the department was entrusted with. Nothing has been done about the issues driving employees out the door for years and this undermines the public trust, they have a right to know how unsafe it has become. Bootlicking has its rewards, special details and promotions here, but it does nothing to accomplish the day to day mission. Money? Yeah having the highest paid chief and lowest paid officers is lousy, but that’s how successful cat house owners operate, that won’t fix morale, but it will put more chrome on a car.

Higher pay won’t fix the flat lined morale as long as so much of the middle management is the problem. Before deciding to post I noticed ASUPD is hiring yet another Sergeant. The upside down pyramid scheme never gets old. Sergeants don’t shag calls. Secret squirrel has many good points, some not covered by 311 or Oldsaltyidgaf, how could any one of the previous posters forget to mention the “frivolous internal affairs investigations”? Have you ever heard of a police department that polices its own as much as ASUPD? The silly non-issues that get blown up are quite funny. They probably pulled IA numbers for this post, but if command solved at least some of the internal problems you probably wouldn’t see anything here.

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Thinblueline1 in Arizona

12 months ago

Wow, so this is what the talk is about. I haven’t been here that long and have seen some of what you guys are talking about, but not all of it. I just come in and do my job and honestly I’m not sure how long I plan to stay, two years tops, if I’m here any longer than that I’m going to be very discouraged. I’m already dreading the start of the school year because we are so unprepared for it. I talk with some of the guys I went to the academy with and there’s some of the same negative talk about their workplace, but not nearly as much as ASUPD. More money would be nice, but like it’s been said before here, that is just one of a number of issues. Hopefully they will get addressed, we’ll see. Good luck!

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getupnout in Arizona

10 months ago

The bottom line is this, if you are all not happy then just leave. Nobody asked you to take this job and nobody asked you to work for the department. You made that decision and nobody is keeping you here against your will. You should be happy you have a job, complaining obviously isn’t fixing anything and there are a lot of people tired of hearing it. It’s simple, go to work, do your job, then go home. Leave work at work and home at home.

A police department’s business is not meant to be aired publicly for everyone to see. If you have a problem then address it through your chain of command and if you’re unhappy get out and go someplace else. There are a lot of us that like it here, don’t feel your pain, and don’t care to hear about it, so stop whining.

People talk about how corrupt command is, how unqualified new promotions are, how supervisors are doing this or that to them, or how lazy people in specialty positions are, but at the end of the day the future lies with you and nobody else. Don’t blame other people for your failures. Every workplace has issues and people always think the grass is greener someplace else, if it is then go.

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quickcalltempe in Mesa, Arizona

10 months ago

I had to break my comments into two parts due to word limits, but here we go...

I want everyone who is considering a career with ASU Police to take a good look at what getupnout has to say. This is a good representation of how the ASU command staff feels about their employees. “If you don’t like it, McDonalds is hiring” is something I have heard a former Assistant Chief say; and that is still the attitude today. Does this sound like a cohesive work environment where you will be appreciated and valued? Rather than fix the obvious problems that have been brought up numerous times, they just tell you to quit complaining or hit the road. You’ll notice that getupnout is calling the people who have a problem with ASU ‘failures’. There is an upside-down model of accountability at ASU Police. Command is unwilling to admit that they need to change or that they basically operate by heaving themselves from one administrative blunder to the next. No, the people at the bottom are responsible for all of the problems with the Department; especially the abysmal staffing situation. There is zero accountability at the higher levels.

That being said, is this the same group of people that you want backing you up if you have to defend yourself with lethal force? There is a frightening thought.

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quickcalltempe in Mesa, Arizona

10 months ago

Part II, as promised.

People are leaving ASU Police. The Department is critically understaffed. The economy is pretty rough, but things are turning around; and once positions open up in other sectors and with other departments there will be a mass exodus. Most people aren’t in the position where they can just quit their jobs without securing other employment first. That being said, most people are looking to get out of ASU; with the exception of a privileged few that are favored by the command staff. It is a lot easier for these privileged few to “go to work, do their job, then go home” as getupnout says. Those people get raises, specialty assignments, and promotions. They also aren’t constantly worried about being subject to a frivolous Internal Affairs investigation that will keep them from being able to lateral to other departments (this is known as the ASU Police retention program, it happens a lot).

Further, the statement “police department business that is not meant to be aired publicly” needs to be addressed. This is not department business. Cases are not being discussed, names are not being named. This is a forum where people share their thoughts on their work environments, and it seems like several people don’t care for ASU Police. If some people want to share their experiences with the department, and you don’t like what is being said… well, no one is forcing you to read this. If you don’t like it, click the little red button in the upper right hand corner of the screen and quit whining.

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Secret Squirrel in Arizona

10 months ago

Wow. I don't even know where to start with your comment, getupnout. Judging by the simplicity in your logic, methinks you are probably one of the obtuse, GED-holding members of the "privileged" clique at ASUPD.

It's difficult to "leave work at work and home at home", getupnout, when ASU's hostile work environment has bled its way into your personal life. One can only witness the unchecked pettiness and corruption for so long until they become embittered toward the rest of the world. I suppose you don't know what its like walking around on eggshells, terrified of being reprimanded for breathing funny, do you getupnout?

You yourself acknowledge there is an issue at ASUPD, and your cowardly solution is to stop whining because it won't solve anything. The unfortunate truth is your indifference to the situation at hand (because it doesn't affect YOU) is what perpetuates the problem at ASUPD. Obviously the chain of command isn't working, so a reasonable solution is to try and seek a solution elsewhere, NOT to repeatedly try a failed one over and over.

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Secret Squirrel in Arizona

10 months ago

A police department's business IS public knowledge, whether you like it or not. The department is accountable to the State of Arizona, its constituents, and tax paying citizens. Maybe you were unaware, but every email, memo, letter of instruction, or training file is publicly available; perhaps if several people in the PD were smart enough to know this, they wouldn't outrightly lie or alter the truth. I know that may seem foreign to you because you are probably used to operating in the shadows, but eventually the PD's dirty laundry WILL be aired...It's a matter if WHEN, not IF.

Your apathy towards the situation at hand is disgusting, and quite frankly, disturbing. Anyone that can rationalize this type of conduct by stating that "every workplace has issues" is just as guilty as those who are engaging in unethical behavior. It is quite disturbing you work in a profession tasked with protecting others and bringing impartial justice into an unjust world; you do not deserve the honor and respect of those brothers and sisters who came before you and sacrificed themselves for the greater good.

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T Doggs in PHX, Arizona

10 months ago

ASUPD is so screwed up beyond all recognition of a law enforcement agency you either have to concede your ethics, self-worth, and drink the special HOOTCH OR acknowledge what's going on and that the truth being told here is what it is. The only way you can be on the fence is to be a new employee who has no idea what a pile you stepped in. If you're lucky you'll escape with your career. There are plenty of drone ticks eager to plump up their resume by showing how many people they wrote up no matter how petty and absurd.

Getupnout is probably one of the fat TICKS sucking the life out of the place and getting fat on the special raises, raises not based on what you do, but based on what number they will allow a supervisor to give you, if you are one of the SPECIAL kids you never miss it and get more every time. Getupnout is probably a supervisor who is "owned" (the chief used this term explaining his relationship to staff) by the chief because he or she could not get hired or make it at another department. People like Getupnout will never leave the comfort zone they created for themselves at a cost to others. Real police work, being a cop, scares the hell out of people like Getupnout, it’s easy to deal with the kids at the University.

I don't know what the chief is telling his boss, but whatever filler it is continues to undermine the safety of the public. There is no excuse for how dysfunctional, wasteful, and weak our police department is. How many millions of dollars will be poured into this or that before someone starts wondering what’s going on?!? How is a community college police department able to siphon off employees from a university police department? It’s because they know what they’re doing, they are professional cops who know what they’re doing, while you guys have none of that and keep stuffing your face as the ship is sinking. For the love of god get a fricken clue.

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T Doggs in PHX, Arizona

10 months ago

Here's a fresh idea, go do some cop work, serve the public, and earn merit instead of being another tool stabbing your brothers in blue in the back. Just like a previous poster said, if you think staffing is an issue now, just wait until real departments pick up and start hiring. You won't be able to run a PD with only your FAT TICKS like Getupnout there to hold the line. Imagine a department run with ethical standards, step increases, opportunity with real specialty positions that are more than being a sloth, the morale of a real team there to back you up, and a place you'll be proud to work at because they aren’t always on a mission to find fault and retain you through demerits, probably pretty damn unbelievable if you're still there in the infestation. It could be a really good place to work, but you would have to clean all the ticks off, and that isn’t going to happen any time soon. Thinblueline said, Good Luck. Yeah…that’s not enough.

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Scum Devil PD in Gilbert, Arizona

10 months ago

Let me start out by saying that I’m not an officer. Also, I don’t work for ASU (nor would I ever work for that wanna-be police department, aka Tempe’s Little Brother). However, I do know lots of people who work at ASU PD, and have heard several stories about what really goes on there. This is what let me to comment on this post.
So much to comment on…where do I begin. Let’s start with “getupnout”, whose “love it or leave it” campaign has made him – and the department he represents – look like a complete fool. He says if you’re not happy there then just leave ASU PD. Well, it seems that many are taking your wise sagely advice, as ASU’s numbers continue to drop by the year. Every time I go down to an ASU football game, or any other ASU event, do you know what I see? Tempe PD, DPS, MCSO…but where’s ASU PD? The answer is, they simply don’t have enough staff to help their big brothers out for their own events. How embarrassing is that. I’ve even heard stories about ASU’s Tempe campus being staffed by TWO OFFICERS for an entire shift. Let’s hope there are no criminals reading this, since I’m sure they’d love to take advantage of the fact that the campuses are severely understaffed. The funny thing is, most departments I’m sure would look at all the officers leaving in droves and wonder, what are we doing wrong? But no. Not ASU. They look at the mass exodus and think to themselves, “Wow, looks like we accidentally hired ANOTHER bad officer! What’s that, like thirty in a row now?” OK, let’s just say that actually was the case. Don’t you think ASU would restructure their hiring staff then?

I'll continue the rest in the next post due to lack of character space....

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Scum Devil PD in Gilbert, Arizona

10 months ago

Part II

Next, our friend says that “a police department’s business is not meant to be aired publicly for everyone to see.” Hmm. Better tell that to whomever I will be contacting to request your training paperwork, your email chains, and any police reports you have written. You see, those are actually all public documents. If you don’t think so, then I invite you to say something racist or sexist and send it via email.
Like I said, I’ve never worked for ASU, and I’ve never wanted to. This is all my opinion as an outsider looking in on the situation.

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Yallmomsboyfriend in Arizona

10 months ago

***Indeed please don’t delete this post, this is helpful information to know before someone applies for a job at ASUPD. The public has a right to know what’s going on inside a local police department. The statements are true and factual, identifying specifics are left out, no names are mentioned.***

Well it looks like whomever the love it or leave it type poster is (name omitted) they are reaping the benefits by stepping on the necks of others and don’t care about anyone else, that’s a great attitude to have for people you might have to depend on in a police emergency. Nobody has any respect for the special raise, special promotion, special detail, special low education types who abide by the “stab your brother in blue in the back” culture that’s been a problem at the department for some time. Criminals try to minimize their own faults, while maximizing the faults of others to make themselves appear better and mask your their misdeeds. When they said you all I believe they wanted to say YALL.

Let’s take a moment to examine double standards for officers and supervisors and take a look at some things any police officer shouldn’t do, especially one working as a supervisor of officers. They shouldn’t run around making fun of college educated people because they can’t achieve higher learning. The lovechildren with the GEDS at ASUPD are special, so special they harbor contempt for anyone with a degree they couldn’t achieve. There are more useful things for a supervisor to do than to try and fire everyone they don’t like or damage their chances of leaving over anything no matter how slight. If you are a person with a double standard and void of morality then you have more in common with the thugs we arrest than a cop. AZPOST sets the minimum standards for someone to be a police officer in the state of Arizona. That being said let’s look at a few probing questions. Why would the chief sign a waiver for an officer with an extensive drug history?

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Yallmomsboyfriend in Arizona

10 months ago

Why would our department take an officer back after they were forced to leave another department with questionable domestic violence issues, or one with a substance abuse problem? Would you want an officer of this caliber passing judgment on the public and other cops? Furthermore what sort of department would hire an officer like this and promote them to watch over other officers? Pretty amazing isn’t it, it’s a shame it’s true.

What would you think of a police supervisor who put on gloves, reached into a toilet to grab his own excrement, and then chased another supervisor around with it? IS this someone who should be trusted with protecting your children at the university? What would you think of some who did this, got away with it, and then lobbied so hard to get people fired for much less. The hypocritical standards of the department can reward someone so out of touch with what they should be doing and ignore people performing above and beyond what they are supposed to be doing. Without the department there to hold up a person who would conduct themselves this way a supervisor of officers like this would be on the other side of the divider at the 4th ave jail.

A previous poster said the public isn’t supposed to know what’s going on inside a police department. That’s for specifics to an ongoing case and victim identity specifics. The public has every right to know about the shady unethical dealings of the people judging them, and about cops with backgrounds that couldn’t be a cop ANYWHERE period. The public should know it can trust us because we have nothing to hide. They deserve not have that trust damaged when they find they are being judged by self-serving, unethical, supervisors who couldn’t meet minimum standards to make the P.D. background.

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Yallmomsboyfriend in Arizona

10 months ago

Unfortunately some people will keep trying to look down on people from their low point of view, being hypocrites, closet racists, and try to make everyone else as miserable as themselves. If it is someone’s lot in life to be the dirty back door henchman willing to do whatever to keep his bosses focused on anyone but themselves then shame on them. Workplace issues like this are why so many of us are gone baby and will continue to GETUPNOUT without end because there is too much to fix and no brains or will to do it. The business as usual failure model is some people’s saving grace. I am so glad I’ll never have to work with the love it or leave it poster and his posse again.

You would never think working at a University police department would be that stressful. An officer shouldn’t be more stressed out by supervisors playing the gotcha game, doing IA’s over everything any other department wouldn’t in order to jam up employees from making it somewhere else. In a direct violation of labor law you have senior supervisors calling other departments and slandering prospective employees into the ground, how is that ethical? When you’re not accountable to a standard of ethics and operate outside the accepted ones of society, of your profession, you become no better than the victimizing criminals we arrest.

Instead of conducting a witch hunt to find the people posting on here you should be getting your house in order, do right by the people who serve you and the public, and stop the aggressive internal complaint nonsense that drives people crazy. When people like where they work the complaints go down and they even stay there, maybe for a career.

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Levelhead in Arizona

10 months ago

This forum degraded from insiders' views of a police department with its share of issues (as all departments have) to a shameful and personal attack on one of its employees.

I have seen people in the thread speaking of not having the "stones" to bring issues forward in the department. I can't be the only one who finds humor in the fact the poster didn't have the "stones" to post his/her identity. This refers not so much to those with honest concerns, but especially to "Yallsmom" who would hide behind the anonymity of his/her username to lob insults at someone who can't answer back.

Yallsmom refers to a "stab your brother in blue in the back culture" and proceeds to go forth with a personal and tasteless tirade which, as I can infer based on the disclaimer at the beginning, even the site moderator thought at one time was over the line. I don't have all the facts in each of the accusations Yallsmom makes, but the ones I do have knowledge of are either extremely inflated or outright lies, which then calls in the credibility of all of the accusations.

Yallsmom should remove his/her post. It is clearly slanderous, not to mention vile and baseless. You should be ashamed of yourself. I would expect more from someone who claims to be a professional.

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Secret Squirrel in Arizona

10 months ago

One other thing I forgot to touch on...yes, all departments DO have their issues (no one is debating that fact here). But I cannot think of any, off the top of my head, that are so blatantly corrupt and mismanaged.

The amount of $$ the PD waste is absolutely mind-boggling; from a department that boasts a 70% FAILURE RATE FOR FTO (after spending the money to pay for an academy, uniform, salary, etc), to one that wastes money on ludicrous "specialty assignments" (really? ANOTHER new K9 vehicle!), take home vehicles for command staff, and a complete revamp of the uniform and badge. On top of that, ASUPD has the LOWEST paid officers in the Valley and the highest paid Chief. That is absolutely unacceptable.

Furthermore, because of staffing, the campus is ridiculously understaffed, and quite frankly, not prepared for any MAJOR crime on campus (like an active shooter). I am not even going to go into detail on the vast amount of public record tampering that transpires there too, because there's not enough space to detail it all.

I hope parents and the public at large find out how much money ASUPD wastes and how unsafe it is, because then maybe some significant change will happen there.

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EMBUDO in Peoria, Arizona

10 months ago

In all my years in law enforcement, I have never been affiliated with an organization that operates in such a pernicious fashion. And being as objective as I can, I would validate a high-percentage of the postings on “Indeed” as legitimate and truthful regarding the ASU PD.

As we are accountable to our leadership, they, too, are accountable to us, to ensure that we, as members of the ASU PD, are afforded a healthy and threat-free work environment as clearly delineated in Staff Personnel Manual (SPP), SPP 801: Employee Conduct and Work Rules, revised 7/1/2013. Any member that does not fully understand the intent, not their personal interpretation, of the university policy, puts themselves and the department at great peril.

And contrary to what some in our chain of command might think, it is within our rights, as university employees, to go outside the chain of command, at anytime, for resolution of a problem(s), especially if we perceive the chain of command, or elements of the chain of command as the problem.

We currently have a lot of good officers in our department. However, I have witnessed firsthand many very capable and decent officers drummed out of the department because the department deemed them, for whatever reason, a “threat” to the status quo.

As we receive both formal and informal feedback on a daily basis from our supervisors, I would encourage our leadership to view the postings on “Indeed” as feedback from the rank-and-file on deep concerns that many of us have on how our department is operating.

The boss at the top of any organization is ultimately responsible for what goes on--good or bad. Yes, the boss can’t possibly know everything that goes on, but he sets the tone for how supervisors within an organization operate and interact with employees.

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311 in Tempe, Arizona

10 months ago

I never intended for this to be a forum for vitriol, but I guess it was inevitable. I understand that for some this can be a difficult thing to manage especially if they are still working at ASUPD. Once you’re out at a new department it’s a whole new world full of possibilities, workplace support, higher pay, and positive. Yes, sometimes the grass is a lot greener, other police departments do have workplace issues; like where do we find office space for all the former ASUPD employees we hired? Does anyone else find it ironic that the posters in favor defending the department don’t answer any of the specific negative issues mentioned with substantive content?

Their other tactic is to severely downplay what’s going on with “Every workplace has issues” which could mean anything and says nothing. The poster getupnout had nothing to say other than love it or leave it, this poster is hostile to people criticizing the culture that supports them, but turns its back on everyone else. Getupnout has a selfish and immoral response to what’s going on. The same poster makes the comment about what’s going on inside a police department being private. Anyone armed with the basic knowledge of their civics and government class from high school should see through that false premise. Broaden your horizons, did you ever talk to someone from another country who don’t have the rights we have, ask them about their police departments and then maybe your opinion will carry some weight. Ask them how they like their rights getting stripped away because someone practices might over right. If your day to day job is to enforce our written code of law, the expected behavior and basic morality of the people, then you should practice morality in your own life, which includes your workplace, read a book.

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311 in Tempe, Arizona

10 months ago

Speaking of morality, the poster Yallmomsboyfriend had some interesting things to say about the morality of having a prejudicial double standard within a career field that is supposed to promise equal justice for all under law. I know about some of these stories and the ones I know of are TRUE, so called Levelhead is more aptly named Puppet head. Puppet head is probably one of the unstable personalities featured in the stories. They use the term “slander” to refer to the written word usage because” libel” isn’t in their vocabulary, in short, slander is SPOKEN.

When a supervisor of police officers thinks it’s OK to chase another supervisor around a police station holding his own excrement and NO internal affair comes of it AND everyone knows about it?!? Come on, get real. It was on nights, you were in charge, so you thought nobody was watching? Puppet head offers more of the nope I didn’t do it, it’s not true, denial and that’s weak. Puppet head does a good job representing the internal culture of ASUPD, do as I say, not as I do. When a police department operates like this internally how are they operating externally? How many civil rights violations are you going to talk about witnessing before someone in the public sues? If they knew their rights they would get a lawyer and sue the pants off the officers committing them and the department for negligent training, supervision, and in one case, negligent retention.

LevelPuppet head also pokes at the fact nobody on here is using their real name. Come on, did you really expect people on here to reveal their identities so you could find a way to retaliate against them for expressing their opinions? Where’s your real name, more hypocrisy, but you’re so used to it you didn’t even know you were doing it.

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311 in Tempe, Arizona

10 months ago

Everyone knows how you went out of your way to fire an officer who didn’t fit in, a father of two/three children, and then as he applied to other departments you make hostile phone calls about him to the prospective agencies looking to hire him. In fact, this is a regular practice at ASUPD. LevelPuppet head talks about “VILE” and “BASELESS” well there are just a few examples right there, but they don’t affect you, so who cares right?

LevelPuppet head, you are exactly the point to all these postings; YOU and those like you are the problem. One poster used the expression “Fat Ticks”. That explains the situation perfectly. The chief thought you guys were part of his elite team holding everything together when actually the elite left out the door year after year because of your little circle of friends, one after another they left. The chief mistakenly nurtured the parasitic personalities who were sucking the life out of the department instead of the ones who brought people together, had real police experience, and could have made the department strong instead of a house divided against itself.

My thanks go out to everyone, even Puppethead, who took the time to attend and write their opinion for the Unofficial Chief’s Advisory Board. God Bless America for our First Amendment Rights and a special thanks to Indeed.com for assisting in the endeavor and providing an open forum to discuss our past, present workplaces, and letting freedom reign.

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Levelhead in Arizona

10 months ago

I am not defending anyone here. My intent is to point out that the purpose of this forum is to evaluate the workplace, not a place to lob insults at individuals.

With regard to slander vs. libel, the two are not mutually exclusive. All libel is slander but not all slander is libel. Either way, this is not the place for it.

I'm also not saying ASU has fewer problems than other places. I'll be the first one to admit there are different levels of expectation and accountability between line officer and command. I would stop short of saying it's corrupt. That has a different connotation than what I perceive to be the reality. Inept, unprepared, head in the sand, mismanaged, yes. Corrupt? Probably not.

The small amount of "love it or leave it" I embrace is based on the fact that we are a university PD who no one seems to care about. That means change is difficult under current circumstances. If you don't love it, you'll have to leave it if you want something different.

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Naga in Phoenix, Arizona

10 months ago

Part 2: Hmm I wonder how that happened, could it be due to the wife of the former assistant chief being the HR manager of the department? Could it also be due to the former head of dispatch being friends with said HR manager and subsequently driving away all of the dispatchers who made said claims?

A lot of talk here has been on high turn around of officers but lets face it, turn around is high all over the department. The understaffing of ASU dispatchers has gone on just as long as the officer understaffing. Levelhead, you still paying attention, here’s another one for you. Why is it that the department is more than willing to pay other agencies for their dispatchers, at their higher rate of pay with overtime plus allow them to park inside of the compound yet refuses to hire/train more of their own dispatchers? That would save the department a bit of money, you know money that the department “doesn’t have.”

Then there is the difference in charging various groups on campus for department services. For example, the chief provides free services for the jewish club during their holiday celebration, but for everyone else it is time and ½. What’s going on there Levelhead, looks a little fishy. Not to mention that each campus is run not by the police commander but instead by the asu deans of said campus. Need an example, downtown patrol units, need I say more. There is a pa detail inside of a locked building, at night….because the dean told commander and chief it will be so. That is just one of many examples but the point remains that the department is running into the issue of having non AZPOST certified personnel running the department, giving orders to sworn personnel that runs counter to AZPOST.

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Naga in Phoenix, Arizona

10 months ago

Part 3: In regards to the specialty assignments, wow. I can’t even begin to say how many new hires complain about their first week at the department after being stuck with one of the special assignment guys. The last one that talked with me about it said all they did was look at lighting and camera equipment…for 1 week…and the question was brought up of how that was department/training related. Good question, any of the department koolaide drinkers care to answer that one cause I sure didn’t have a response for him at the time. Another question you can answer is the frequent new hire/student/parent question of why does the department have a bomb dog instead of a drug dog? Last I heard was brass and ASU didn’t want to admit there was a drug problem on campus. Um yea, news flash, marijuana, cocaine and black tar heroine have all been found in campus dorms so you can say you don’t have a drug problem all you want, doesn’t change the fact that you actually do have one. Then there’s the fun, ever changing call out process for the bomb dog and we all know how often that specialty officer accepts call outs. What’s my point in all this? Why bother having a K9 unit if it doesn’t get used? That’s money being allocated to a worthless source. Money better spent on patrol, hiring, training and retention.

Let’s not forget the wonderful training program. How many academy recruits and laterals were washed out due to “safety concerns” which were really just personality conflicts under the watchful eye of the last training sergeant? I’ve heard on more than one occasion from “trainers” the joking about having a hirer number of failed candidates because they are “tougher” trainers. No, actually the sign of a good trainer/teacher is your success rate and what does it tell you when laterals with 25+years as LEO elsewhere start your FTO process and leave a couple months later? Does it mean they can’t hack it?

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Naga in Phoenix, Arizona

10 months ago

Part 4: Really, as an university officer after being a street/county/military cop….guess again. Instead of being reprimanded for her inability to get new hire officers through the training and out on the street, this former training sergeant was applauded by the brass. In case you’re wondering, yes she did get a bonus.

In regards to the “department business is not public business,” well that’s already been addressed but I’ll touch on a couple issues in this. All employees used to be able to view the department req folder to see when their items were approved. Now everyone but brass is blocked from seeing the folder. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that this occurred after some questionable items were seen in the req folder instead of necessary items, vests, for patrol and questions started being asked, isn’t that right Levelhead, no wrongdoing here just put the blinders back on. Oh and in case anyone doesn’t know. If you want to see exactly were all the department money is going that the department “doesn’t have,” every asu library has a copy of the Budget Book behind the circulation desk. I suggest you all educate yourselves because after years of hearing the same line of “no money for raises,” it was eye opening going back through the years and seeing the select few who got secret raises and why there was “no money.” Like others have said, this department has the potential to be a great department but it will require a lot of cleaning up throughout the department as a whole before getting there.

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311 in Tempe, Arizona

10 months ago

Naga in Phoenix, Arizona said: Part 4: Really, as an university officer after being a street/county/military cop….guess again. Instead of being reprimanded for her inability to get new hire officers through the training and out on the street, this former training sergeant was applauded by the brass. In case you’re wondering, yes she did get a bonus.

In regards to the “department business is not public business,” well that’s already been addressed but I’ll touch on a couple issues in this. All employees used to be able to view the department req folder to see when their items were approved. Now everyone but brass is blocked from seeing the folder. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that this occurred after some questionable items were seen in the req folder instead of necessary items, vests, for patrol and questions started being asked, isn’t that right Levelhead, no wrongdoing here just put the blinders back on. Oh and in case anyone doesn’t know. If you want to see exactly were all the department money is going that the department “doesn’t have,” every asu library has a copy of the Budget Book behind the circulation desk. I suggest you all educate yourselves because after years of hearing the same line of “no money for raises,” it was eye opening going back through the years and seeing the select few who got secret raises and why there was “no money.” Like others have said, this department has the potential to be a great department but it will require a lot of cleaning up throughout the department as a whole before getting there.

Naga, it looks like we are missing part 1 of your post.

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Insideview in Arizona

10 months ago

Before you guys read some of what I wrote and bury me with complaint I want you to understand a few things. Ideally this is not where you as employees should be posting your complaints about the department, but you really have no other option and I understand that. The issues you mentioned should have been addressed years ago, so the department wouldn’t be in the state it is today. A poster described the department as, “A house divided against itself…” and from what I’ve seen that’s accurate. The original quote continues loosely…”…cannot stand.” I don’t see this as the case at ASUPD. We will continue to stand, get by, despite the division, but we could be capable of doing so much more without the issues, the people, responsible for this division.

I read the comments from NAGA regarding the department’s track record with sexual harassment and thought some further clarification is necessary. Unfortunately this post looks like it was removed at one point after I began writing this? I don’t know. Most of you have not been in a position where you would have been aware of this information, but I feel you have a right to know about it. I feel prospective employees have a right to know what they’re signing up for. Every workplace has its issues and that’s exactly what we are all talking about on here. I have enjoyed my years of working with many people here, good people, but the department does have a long way to go to fix the issues mentioned. Unfortunately some of these issues are ties to people who have made their home here and they won’t be going away anytime soon. There are a lot of complaints against ASUPD supervisors on here, but you can’t paint all of us with the same brush. Don’t think for a moment that everyone on the second or third floors agree with how the department has been managed.

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Naga in Phoenix, Arizona

10 months ago

Looks like my part 1 was removed again for some reason...hmmm...well here it is for a third time.

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T Doggs in PHX, Arizona

10 months ago

If you’re a female does this sound like the type of workplace you’re looking for? Some have enjoyed it, they slept with half a dozen guys here, leave to go do it somewhere else or stay and marry one of the johns, but for everyone else you might have to bury your sensibilities and ignore all the things you think you know about workplace behavior if you are going to come here.

I believe as a police department we should do more than print ethical standards, frame them, post them on the first floor, and forget about them. If we were to someday operate within the guidelines of the written ethical standards the issues posted here must be corrected. If the department operated ethically these posts probably wouldn’t exist. If you don’t have ethical standards then you attract the lowest of the low to stay at your department and thrive like weeds in the yard. I agree with what Insideview said about an independent review board, one that could Roto Rooter the corruption and filth out of the pipes.

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T Doggs in PHX, Arizona

10 months ago

Naga, they probably took it down because somebody in our department is freaking out and trying say you're being too specific about someone, even though they are a public figure of state government and have been a problem for our workplace fore some time, trends that are good to know before you commit to the workplace and put your career on the line.

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EMBUDO in Peoria, Arizona

10 months ago

PART 1

I would like to say thank you to all the posters, including opposing views, on “Indeed” to have the courage to bring your take and experiences working at the ASU PD. This open forum allows us, members of the ASU PD, to shed some light on how a department could go so awry.

Yes, Boss, you are not above the law. You will be held accountable at the end; even if you claim that you were not privy to some of the most abhorrent and repugnant shenanigans that have plagued the department under your watch. Again, make no mistake, the rank-and-file will hold you accountable as well as the university leadership, I am confident.

And if you are attempting to ascertain who the posters are on this open forum, I would like to politely remind you to read the HOTLINE FOR ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE that was recently sent to all university employees Tuesday, September 03, 2013, by the current Executive Vice President, Treasurer and CFO of ASU.

And I would hope that you are not expending department resources on who the posters are--this would be, in my opinion, skirting on the fringes of retaliation. And if you have already initiated an internal affairs (IA) investigation on the postings, this would probably fit the definition of “posturing” for retaliation. There’s an old saying: “fools walk where angels fear to tread.”

This is an open forum and we can express our opinions as we see fit as long as it’s in compliance with “Indeed” standards. Now everyone, parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, top-level ASU administrators, faculty, staff, students, Joe Public and the media, from Djibouti to Hartford, Connecticut, to Los Angeles, California, now have unimpeded access, via “Indeed,” to the department’s internal issues.

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EMBUDO in Peoria, Arizona

10 months ago

PART 2

And it pains this poster that it had to come to this. But when leadership of a department loses its ethical and moral compass and can no longer discern right from wrong and affords only themselves and selected elements, dubbed cliques by some posters, special treatment and perks to the detriment of the majority, that’s unconscionable.

With the current leadership unwilling to acknowledge and FIX deep-rooted cultural problems and address the selected elements, at this juncture the only viable solution to “right the ship” is to request an outside intervention. The intervention is critical in bringing the department in compliance with the laws, polices and regulations, as outlined in the Executive Vice President, Treasurer and CFO’s recent university-wide email.

A couple of suggestions that might affect positive and everlasting change in the department. I would suggest, based on the current climate in the nation, that you take your concerns to the university for resolution. Is it a coincidence that university employees received an email from the Executive Vice President, Treasurer and CFO of ASU on ethics and compliance after the flurry of postings on “Indeed” regarding the department?

With the previous scandals and cover-ups regarding the University of Pennsylvania, and now the former president of the university and two of his former top-level henchmen being indicted, I think the university will take whatever fact-based information you provide them and will investigate your grievance(s) in a fair and impartial manner.

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EMBUDO in Peoria, Arizona

10 months ago

PART 3

Another suggestion, if you feel that the university might not investigate your grievance(s) to your satisfaction, you can connect with your elected officials, either your representative or senator. Remember they work for YOU! Just put together your fact-based information package and hand-deliver to their office. If you cannot meet with him/her face-to-face, you can drop off your package at their office. The package will be logged in and processed through their protocol.

No employee should EVER have to come to work and feel they are walking on eggshells--that is a classic example of a HOSTILE work environment!

We should NOT have to witness another top-notch, highly-qualified, highly-competent and truly ethical officer drummed out of the department because leadership and selected elements of the leadership deemed them a THREAT!

I should NOT have to witness, as I did several weeks ago, one of our decent, hardworking and ethical officers attempting to secure his ballistic vest using evidence tape because the requisition the officer submitted eons ago, for a new ballistic vest, entered the proverbial black hole for the umpteenth time--IT IS HIS LIFE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE! UNACCEPTABLE!

I will NOT accept top-level ASU administrators baselessly questioning the integrity, work ethic and maturity-level of any of my fellow co-works; or dictate how we DO our jobs!

“Indeed” is a wonderful place to openly discuss issues and concerns. And I thank them for giving us that open forum. I also thank the posters that chimed in that felt that the status quo at the department was fine, I respect your views even if I vehemently disagree with you.

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firstamendmentftw in Tempe, Arizona

10 months ago

*This is the second part to my earlier post. It contains factual information and is integral to the larger topic of ASU's workplace; something new/prospective employees need to know!*

One issue, which I am surprised isn’t discussed at length, is the reprehensible behavior of the former training person. I have personally witnessed her drive out a whole slew of both sworn and civilian employees, many of which were former cops with lots of experience, and some of which were already department employees. She has NO qualifications/certification to train sworn employees; same thing with all her “buddies” she has train new employees. She is a horrible line level first responder on top of that…is the third unit to respond on the scene of something halfway serious, yet she’s is the first unit on scene for a fire alarm call. That is if she actually comes to work; I don’t know how its possible to receive accolades in the department when you spend half your workweek working on “projects” at home. I have never seen this Sergeant work an entire workweek without calling out or leaving early, but I suppose when your supervisors (who are your friends!) approve your timesheets, its easy to fudge numbers.

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firstamendmentftw in Tempe, Arizona

10 months ago

Part 2:

She’s the worst offender in the department, only second to the leader of the department. She is the person responsible for the lack of staffing at ASU…I didn’t realize the training program that she made up (which is different for every person) was so elite it had a washout rate greater than that of the FBI academy! It’s pretty obvious she can't handle the demands of job (which compromises others' safety). She projects her issues onto other people and convinces others that “THEY” are the problem, not HER.
Her case is probably the easiest to prove; she became more and more brazen with her missteps, so the paper trail will her is pretty easy to follow. I know of lots of people who all have evidences of her dirty deeds, so she’s already made her bed, so to speak.

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firstamendmentftw in Tempe, Arizona

10 months ago

EMBUDO: I agree with everything you've written; its sad that ASU's employees had to come to this point to air their concerns about the PD/university.
Unfortunately, I don't see anything changing until this whole situation blows up on a national media level, or the department is investigated by the feds. ASU's "Compliance Hotline" is a joke. Do you think anyone in their right mind with be the first to step forward without some significant legal representation? ASU is so inbreed that we all know any complaint with any amount of teeth to it will require a name, which is exactly what the PD wants. They want to hang this all on one person so they can explain it all away by saying the whistleblower is just a disgruntled employee/former employee with an ax to grind. All of us know how ASU works, which makes it even more difficult to fix the problem. The university has mega bucks at is disposal, and they would spend a lot of it to preserve their reputation as an educational institution. They would bury a single person in a pile of paperwork in order to prevent the truth from getting out. No one is willing to come toe-to-toe with this beast unless its a collective effort with the backing of some high powered attorney.

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abrotherskeeper in Arizona

10 months ago

Today I prayed that the all of us, especially those running ASUPD, believe in a higher power than ourselves and use a little wisdom to look within and reflect on what is important. I prayed, firstly for those with the power to change the department for good, secondly for the disgruntled employees to have a better workplace, here or elsewhere, and to find a positive end for their grievances. For the sake of the people we serve, for ourselves, for the people we love I pray that you all will find good in your hearts, nurture it, turn to it over ego, pride, and base emotions that are the hallmarks of lesser people. Command; use this forum to fix the workplace. There is a lot of good information here that you don’t want to hear, but you need to.

If there are workplace sins that affect us, that are hidden from us, then we have a right to know of them and demand amends, to expect people to be held accountable. If you know of something not mentioned you have an obligation to come clean about it, we were never meant to be concealers of truth, and we took oaths before god to be champions of it. The vast majority of the public trusts us with this precious commandment, it is our obligation.

This is a time for reflection, to judge ourselves. Throughout life we all have had someone wrong us, but more often than not they do so out of their own weakness and failing. We’re human, we take offense, but when you have time to contemplate it you should pity the offenders for what they are missing. They are missing inner peace, god’s love, and they act out on others like animals in pain. Perhaps a biblical reference will help everyone along the path to proper conduct.

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abrotherskeeper in Arizona

10 months ago

We are all fallible beings making mistakes, hopefully we can look at what is written here not as a damnation, but a reaffirmation to get right with the lord, get right with ourselves, and to do right when it comes to our own conduct, maybe it will make a positive difference with how we treat one another when we take our personal pride, our ego, out of the picture, when we become our brother’s, our sister’s keeper instead of their adversary. I would like to see this become the new norm and strengthen our department.

Good leaders are never the adversary of the people they are leading; they are mentors living by good example, setting the tone for the future. A leadership position is meant to be a place of honor, not a place free of it to do what you wish. If you are a believer then follow the moral code you profess to believe in, if you’re not a believer at least adopt a positive moral code of behavior and stick to it, consider these thoughts for their own merit, consider the fact they have been a guiding light for a few thousand years; ignored or not.

A few people mentioned the quote, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Did you know that is a biblical reference? Mathew 12:25. Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. That is ASUPD right now, you want to deny it, don’t want to hear it, but it is the truth.

Proverbs 11:1 A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is his delight.
Proverbs 13:23 The fallow ground of the poor would yield much food, but it is swept away through injustice.
Proverbs 20:23 Unequal weights are an abomination to the Lord, and false scales are not good.
Proverbs 22:1 A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches, and favor is better than silver or gold.

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firstamendmentftw in Tempe, Arizona

10 months ago

Naga, looks like your comment got removed again. Try removing the specifics, such as the titles/positions of people, that should work.

Look like there's a few people who can't handle hearing the truth and keep hitting the ABUSE button.

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Naga in Phoenix, Arizona

10 months ago

Firstamendmentftw: Yea, funny how that works. Even funnier still is how Indeed has not emailed/notified me of violating any of their posting policies so they just blindly remove based on "report abuse." Well here it is again sans title.

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CueTheClownMusic in Manassas, Virginia

10 months ago

Congratulations, ASUPD, for running out yet another successful, intelligent, and hardworking REAL COP. It is no surprise to any of us that the PD isn't able to participate in any of these back-to-school alcohol "taskforces", and instead have to call in outside agencies to patrol our OWN CAMPUS.

Insideview, you keep on claiming your sick of being lumped in with all the rest of command staff. Let me ask you what have you done to stick your neck out for ANY of the line level officers? You sat by and did nothing while your fellow third-floor employees ran the department into the ground. Standing by and doing NOTHING about the situation is about as bad as participating. If your so bothered by it, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Can't believe no one has mentioned the amazing firearms training unit yet!! You would think with having one range instructor for every two officers, youd have an officers with amazing firearms scores. NOPE. Instead, you have officers struggling to qualify multiple times. Why pay more $$ to firearms guys who don't TRAIN, instead just judge everyone that is not in their elite group.

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Naga in Phoenix, Arizona

10 months ago

Uh oh, looks like a sad little person took down my post 1 again, after I took out the titles. Oh well I guess that means I can use the titles since it doesn't make a difference.

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