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Hugh Jorgan in Pullman, Washington

36 months ago

Hello,
I currently have several interviews with Boeing for Internships and I now need to fill out the official employment application (apparently you don't have to do this until you get an interview?). Anyway, I received a Minor in possession of alcohol 2 and a half years ago. I completed the probation and the case has been DISMISSED. I asked my county clerk and she said I can legally answer no to the following "Have you ever been convicted of any misdemeanor or felony charge?" But she also added that they can still "see" it which is wonderful so now I don't know what to do. I have read similar posts about people losing their offers simply because they didn't disclose it and that is not happening to me.

In the application it says that residents in in California do not need to disclose dismissed cases which indicates to me that I would still need to disclose it since I am from washington?? Can someone please? help me out?

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yodafafoda

36 months ago

I think just to CYA you should disclose it.

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headed to WA in Louisville, Kentucky

36 months ago

this is a no-brainier. disclose.

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Hugh Jorgan in Pullman, Washington

36 months ago

So what was the point of getting it dismissed if it doesnt frikin matter

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Hugh Jorgan in Pullman, Washington

36 months ago

So what was the point of getting it dismissed if it doesnt even matter

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headed to WA in Louisville, Kentucky

36 months ago

there are subtle technicalities, but the subtleties matter. one being that a dismissed case looks better than a conviction. also, just b/c Boeing requires disclosure of cases like this, most private, commercial companies do not require disclosure - it just depends on the type of company, and what the application expressly requires.

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yodafafoda

36 months ago

A few years ago I did not disclose a DUI that I got dropped. I also had a negligent driving that was even thrown out of court. My thinking was that if it is all cleared up, then it won't be there. Well of course it was still "there" and I had an offer that was contingent on my background check. I thought I was in for sure. They told me I could not apply for a minimum of 18 months. I was devastated. I tried to explain my circumstances, but they didn't want to hear it, and my offer was withdrawn.

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hopeful01 in SAC, California

36 months ago

My husband has an interview coming up. He didn't list one job he was fired from -does that show up in a background check? He has no criminal record.

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hopeful01 in SAC, California

36 months ago

Oh, and on the application it did NOT ask if he had ever been terminated from a job.

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yodafafoda

36 months ago

I would say being fired is not a misdemeanor.

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sam2262 in Los Angeles, California

36 months ago

hopeful01 in SAC, California said: My husband has an interview coming up. He didn't list one job he was fired from -does that show up in a background check? He has no criminal record.

I would love to know the answer to this question as well

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in the process of relocating to WA in Louisville, Kentucky

36 months ago

that job may or may not show up in the background check. however, if it does show up in the background check, and he did not mention he was terminated, it will be flagged as a concern, and Boeing Security will call you to get the details. he should have disclosed that job, so that Boeing would have no cause to flag his background check. depending on why he was terminated, Boeing has the prerogative to maintain or withdraw the contingent offer. better to disclose up front!

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john1176 in Edmonds, Washington

35 months ago

I have a contingent offer and completed all of the contingencies except for the background check. When I filled out the application, I recall it asked about criminal history and past employment. But I do not recall how far back it was asking for criminal and employment histories. Does anyone know how far back it asks? For some reason I think it is seven years.

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not so lucky in Bonney Lake, Washington

35 months ago

just put everything down enen if it was 7 years or not. believe me.

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yodafafoda

35 months ago

john1176 in Edmonds, Washington said: I have a contingent offer and completed all of the contingencies except for the background check. When I filled out the application, I recall it asked about criminal history and past employment. But I do not recall how far back it was asking for criminal and employment histories. Does anyone know how far back it asks? For some reason I think it is seven years.

I don't think it states 'how far'
It just asks for ALL history... But I don't think things show up after 7 years anyway...

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John1176 in Edmonds, Washington

35 months ago

Does anyone think I'll get offer withdrawn for reporting a job termination on the app but giving vague reason for termination? I was truthful in reporting it but not clear in the reason. The reason I gave is true but short. No misconduct or unethical reason.

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not so lucky in Bonney Lake, Washington

35 months ago

I walked out on 2 jobs this last year witout giving 2 weeks notice I was not fired from either just did not like the job. Does that show up on a background check?

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D in Grand Rapids, Michigan

35 months ago

yodafafoda said: I don't think it states 'how far'
It just asks for ALL history... But I don't think things show up after 7 years anyway...

I received the dreaded Fed-x package today. The time frame is 7 years on what they look for but... I got in trouble 27 years ago and it was deferred and it showed up out of the 7 year time frame but Verifactions still included it in the background check to Boeing. Now I'm just waiting on the return phone call from Boeing security

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D in Grand Rapids, Michigan

35 months ago

D in Grand Rapids, Michigan said: I received the dreaded Fed-x package today. The time frame is 7 years on what they look for but... I got in trouble 27 years ago and it was deferred and it showed up out of the 7 year time frame but Verifactions still included it in the background check to Boeing. Now I'm just waiting on the return phone call from Boeing security

Also I was 4 months off on my employment and Verifactions flagged that as a concern also.

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kidviper in Everett, Washington

35 months ago

So i applied for a factory service attendant back in march 31 2011 then 4 days later got a congrats email to schedule an interview a week later then the april 20th got a job offer and accepted it. So my question is that when you do the application is to list all charges i listed malicious micheif(felony) but never included the other charge that went along with the felony which was stalking (mistemeanor). So i got the fed ex package saying there is a concern on my criminal background, so i called the 800 number that i was supposed to and got a call back 3 days later and said i had to withdraw my offer and never said anything about waiting 18mts like everyone else is saying because they didnt list all the crimes. so 3 mts later i called back the same number and i got some guy saying that i should wait until its 10yrs old (aug, 2014) to apply again, is there a chance that he could be wrong cause it seemed like he wasnt sure about it, im hoping thats not the case im hoping it is 18mts like everyone is saying. please help me out..

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kidviper in Everett, Washington

35 months ago

hopeful01 in SAC, California said: My husband has an interview coming up. He didn't list one job he was fired from -does that show up in a background check? He has no criminal record.

Its going to show up they do a full blown background check trust me i know, so highly recommend to put everything down

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LoriJ in Federal Way, Washington

33 months ago

Steven Jerome is a manager at Boeing. He was convicted for domestic violence, has a compulsive gambling habit, uses company AMEX for personal charges. He was even put on a leave of absence for "mental illness" and after that even being in his Boeing personal file - they still made him a manager. If Boeing has managers like this - and I can assure you if you search for Steve Jerome on Washington Courts his charges are plain and clear. Just sleep with another manager then you'll get a management position. He was sleeping with one of the people who interviewed him on his panel interview for manager. He told Boeing he had a college degree when he didn't graduate from Highschool. He's been reprimanded for harrassment several times. Boeing is a really corrupt company, if you are a bad person with few morals you'll go far.

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ski guy in Detroit, Michigan

33 months ago

D in Grand Rapids - Have you gotten anywhere with call to Boeing security?
What job were you offered? I am awaiting background check. It has been since about February 8 that I accepted offer. How long did it take them to send fed x letter from the time you accepted offer? I have talked to verifications inc. on phone, they had a problem with a listed employer. I had worked for a temp agency and had put down the company that I was working for. I had some tickets when I was younger, a dui in 2003 and in 1996. I put the 2003 DUI on app, but really didn't think about the one 16 years ago. I hope it doesn't come back to bite me in the ass. I have been told by employment specialist that they are at the mercy of the courts when it comes to getting criminal history back. that was about a week and a half ago. Meanwhile, I am sweating bullets and running out of finger nails to bite!

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sxm777 in Cazenovia, New York

32 months ago

ski guy in Detroit, Michigan said: D in Grand Rapids - Have you gotten anywhere with call to Boeing security?
What job were you offered? I am awaiting background check. It has been since about February 8 that I accepted offer. How long did it take them to send fed x letter from the time you accepted offer? I have talked to verifications inc. on phone, they had a problem with a listed employer. I had worked for a temp agency and had put down the company that I was working for. I had some tickets when I was younger, a dui in 2003 and in 1996. I put the 2003 DUI on app, but really didn't think about the one 16 years ago. I hope it doesn't come back to bite me in the ass. I have been told by employment specialist that they are at the mercy of the courts when it comes to getting criminal history back. that was about a week and a half ago. Meanwhile, I am sweating bullets and running out of finger nails to bite!

Hey, how did the temp agency issue turn out?

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ski guy in Detroit, Michigan

32 months ago

I got a call from Boeing employment specialist last night. Security has gave me the nod!
I had sent employment specialist an email explaining that my excitement and anxiousness to start the job may have caused some haste on my part when filling out app and not thinking of the tickets from my past. I explained that I had only been arrested the one time, for the offense I did declare on app and that I had never seen my criminal record nor been through a background investigation. She forwarded it to security and the same day they approved me.
As for the temp agency issue and my listing the actual place of business that I worked at - Verifications Inc. called me after they could not find a record of my employment and asked me the name of the contracting house I was recruited through and then they verified that and that was the end of it.

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sxm777 in Cazenovia, New York

32 months ago

ski guy in Detroit, Michigan said: I got a call from Boeing employment specialist last night. Security has gave me the nod!
I had sent employment specialist an email explaining that my excitement and anxiousness to start the job may have caused some haste on my part when filling out app and not thinking of the tickets from my past. I explained that I had only been arrested the one time, for the offense I did declare on app and that I had never seen my criminal record nor been through a background investigation. She forwarded it to security and the same day they approved me.
As for the temp agency issue and my listing the actual place of business that I worked at - Verifications Inc. called me after they could not find a record of my employment and asked me the name of the contracting house I was recruited through and then they verified that and that was the end of it.

Congrats! I had no issues other than the temp agency thing, but I am getting the feeling it is a common issue.

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D-man in Bronx, New York

31 months ago

I also have a question regarding dismissed cases that raise its ugly head in background checks. I have been through a background check at my previous job and nothing has ever hindered my chances. However, while i was in college (Age 20) I was charged with a shoplifting offense, the retail store thought i shoplifted and sued me. I went to court, they reviewed the tapes, it turned out that I didn't shoplift, so the case was dismissed on the spot, never convicted. For some reason, this remained on my record. Now that I received a contingency offer from boeing, i filled out the employment application and did not disclose my dismissed case because my lawyer told me not to. Now I got a dreaded fed-ex package from boeing that has my dismissed shoplifting case and that's the only concern they have. I am awaiting for boeing security to call me back, I am sweating bullets because I am nervous they might withdraw the offer because i didn't disclose it, BUT IT WAS DISMISSED AND I WAS NEVER, NEVER CONVICTED! Anyone else been through this and can advise me?

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yodafafoda in Marysville, Washington

31 months ago

I think it's pretty crummy that something that was dismissed still 'shows up' on records.

I'm really not sure if you should worry or not? I worry that if they found it, and you didn't mention it it MIGHT be an issue...???

I'm still confused about things like this. Why does it show up when it was dismissed??? When I hear the word dismissed, I would tend to think that it's GONE, and you will never have to worry about it again... But time and time again, that is not the case.

Please post your outcome; and good luck!!

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D-man in Bronx, New York

31 months ago

Thanks and I will post the outcome. However, i think it's just Boeing, or should I say verifications inc. that has the ability to pull out anything that has ever had your name on it. I had to go through a background check with my previous employer and I had no problem at all. I did not disclose the dismissed case either and nothing was found.

I wonder as well, what is the point of getting a case dismissed if it can still hinder you on a job search?

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yodafafoda in Marysville, Washington

31 months ago

So, what's your feeling on it? Do you think it will go through ok? I too, have had not a perfect record, and had other jobs where it was not a problem...

But wham, bam verifications inc... they can find it... I wonder why/how??

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D-man in Bronx, New York

31 months ago

I believe I'll be fine. I'm just going to explain the situation and let them know I wasnt convicted and the question on the application only asked for convictions and not dismissed cases, I'll be apologetic for not disclosing.

I have absolutely no idea...they're just that good? Also, if you think about it, Boeing is one of the top companies out there,mespecially contractors of the DoD...

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D-man in Bronx, New York

31 months ago

I believe I'll be fine. I'm just going to explain the situation and let them know I wasnt convicted and the question on the application only asked for convictions and not dismissed cases, I'll be apologetic for not disclosing.

I have absolutely no idea...they're just that good? Also, if you think about it, Boeing is one of the top companies out there,mespecially contractors of the DoD...

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D-man in Bronx, New York

31 months ago

I believe I'll be fine. I'm just going to explain the situation and let them know I wasnt convicted and the question on the application only asked for convictions and not dismissed cases, I'll be apologetic for not disclosing.

I have absolutely no idea...they're just that good? Also, if you think about it, Boeing is one of the top companies out there,mespecially contractors of the DoD...

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Moving back in DFW, Texas

31 months ago

I wouldn't worry about it. They will be able to see that it was just a dismissal and not deferred and then dismissed. Which means they pretty much know you did it, but weren't convicted. That kind of thing would be a problem with a shoplifting charge (they like to wait a long time after anything like that to clear you for hire).

A dismissed case will most likely still show up on your record. It depends on how the local courts handle requests for information and the laws in that jurisdiction. Talk to a lawyer about getting the records permanently destroyed. Some states have laws that will allow you to do this. Save the letter with the "concern" next to the dismissal. If you show that to the court and explain that this is causing you hardship with finding employment they will be more apt to help. Even if you do get the job this time, what happens next time? Get it taken care of while it is fresh in your mind.

If you are local to where it happened, you might even be able to do it without a lawyer. Just do some research, and contact the court and see what they say. But don't take what the person answering the phone says as the gospel. They answer phones and take money, they aren't concerned about you and probably don't know what you are even talking about half the time. That is where it pays off to do your research.

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D-man in Edison, New Jersey

31 months ago

I'm a little confused by your first paragraph. I DIDN'T do it! The case was dropped "dismissed" on the spot; insufficient evidence. However, somehow it showed up on my background check. I went thru a background check procedure for UTC and I was clean, but for some reason Verifications inc can find it. I have never obtained a copy of my background check, so i never knew there is anything on it. Also, if they know you did it but was not convicted, isn't that still bad? lol

Yes, I am working with an attorney to get this DESTROYED!

"(They like to wait a long time after anything like that to clear you for hire)" - Exactly how long are you talking about? I completed my 5-day requirement about a week and half a go, still haven't received a call from Boeing yet. How long does it take for them to call you back?

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6 credits short in Seatac, Washington

31 months ago

Has anyone been hired after the background check showed you lied about your degree. Even tho the job did not require one. I was six credits short of my degree I dropped out of school in the early 90's when I found out I was HIV Poz. No need to finish if you'll be dead in ten years but meds came along and I'm still rather than have to exsplaing why I didn't not finish my degree I just put finished I didn't think it would matter, the job did not require on. And I new that if I explained why I didn't finish at the interview I probable would not get the job. Boeing found out. I tried to exsplaing but the guy on the phone was very rude. He interrupted me several times. And than said I lied so they withdrew the offer the funny thing is, this is the same job and plant that I work in 1998. I think they found out about my HIV by my answering the medical questions and put down what meds I'm taking. They can't discriminate since HIV in a disability, they found anther excuses not to hire me. Ya what a compassionate company lets kick a guy when he is already down.

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dimo in Everett, Washington

31 months ago

i was offered a mechanical design position at boeing, i did all my paper work it took two months to process all my background seems long i had an m.i.p two years ago dismissed after probation period and a trespassing violation because i was at a park after-hours i paid a fine and three months no entering park probation and dismissed. anyways i lost the offer because i did commit both misdemeanors regardless. now im hired thru a temp agency was givin offer but am awaiting background check that they do vs boeing background check. i still have to meet requirements to work there who knows

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Moving back in DFW, Texas

31 months ago

D-man in Edison, New Jersey said: I'm a little confused by your first paragraph. I DIDN'T do it! The case was dropped "dismissed" on the spot; insufficient evidence. However, somehow it showed up on my background check. I went thru a background check procedure for UTC and I was clean, but for some reason Verifications inc can find it. I have never obtained a copy of my background check, so i never knew there is anything on it. Also, if they know you did it but was not convicted, isn't that still bad? lol

Yes, I am working with an attorney to get this DESTROYED!

"(They like to wait a long time after anything like that to clear you for hire)" - Exactly how long are you talking about? I completed my 5-day requirement about a week and half a go, still haven't received a call from Boeing yet. How long does it take for them to call you back?

I was saying that if someone had a deferral, and then then the case was dismissed it still shows that they actually committed te offense, regardless of the lack of conviction. In your case you are better off because it will only show a dismissal and no differal. I think their timeframe for something like a theft charge is eight years. And that does count for anything they find, even a deferral. But your case is different.

Different jurisdictions have different rules about what they will disclose on a background check. Unfortunately you have first hand knowledge of why that sucks and why you should get the records destroyed.

It took them two weeks to complete the background check and get it Boeing, then another week to call me.

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D-man in Edison, New Jersey

31 months ago

I got a call back from Boeing security. There was no reason to sweat it, it wasn't a problem at all. There were able to see that it was dismissed with no deferring or conviction.

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D-man in Edison, New Jersey

31 months ago

They were*

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sameboat in Blacksburg, Virginia

30 months ago

hey guys! same situation as everyone else. I applied to for a job at boeing. I filled out the application thinking i will never get called for an interview. Low and behold, they contacted me and set up two interviews. Finally got the job offer today but is contingent.

ISSUE: I have an underage alcohol possesion charge while in collge (2006). I took a class and the case was dismissed. Unfortunately, I never filed it out on my application. I didnt hide it on purpose, I just thought that it wouldnt be necessary to list since i never got convicted for it. From what I can gather, I am now screwed and going to wait for that damned fedex letter.

That is the only thing I have on my record and seeing that people have had their offers revoked becaz of stupider things than mines, I might as well kiss my dream job goodbye. I swear, it sucks to know that all the money and energy I spent thru my college and job search just so that it can go down the drain like this.. i feel like im about to have melt down.

What chance, if any, do I have?

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Ski guy in Vancouver, Washington

30 months ago

I had some issues come up on my bg check. I sent an email to the employment specialist I was writhing with with explanation about why I didn't disclose dismissed cases and some older legal issues. She forwarded to Boeing security, I was cleared for hire the same day. I recommend anyone with concerns do the same.

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D-man in Edison, New Jersey

30 months ago

Sameboat,
I honestly don't know what to tell you, but I can only wish you the best. From speaking with Boeing security and others, Boeing has a very very strict policy, things you can get away with, with companies like UTC or GE Aviation, you can't with Boeing or Lockheed and trust me, Verifications Inc. will find that charge you had 6 years a go; not to discourage you. It really sucks that dismissed cases can still come up on your records. However, since yours is 6years old, i would go get that destroyed at the court/state in which you got the charge.

Although, like my issue above, since you weren't convicted either. If you end up getting that fedex package and thats the concern. When you speak with a boeing security rep, you can say something like "Your intentions weren't to mislead them or be dishonest, but you felt like since you were never convicted and the question on the application asks if you have ever been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor, which you were not. You can say you also spoke with an attorney and he said since you were not convicted and the case was dismissed, you didn't have to disclose it"... something in such manner. I'm sure they'll be able to see you were not convicted and we do silly things in college and yours is 6 years old.

I would also recommend talking to your staffing specialist. There's not much she can do, but she'll forward whatever you have to say to the Boeing security team

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sameboat in Blacksburg, Virginia

30 months ago

Ski guy and D-man, thank you for feeding me some form of consolation.

I will contact my staffing specialist and let her know of it. But again, I dont feel it will do much good. I accepted the offer today and I just happened to google search Boeing background check and my day has gone to sh*t from then.

I will try the lawyer route and see if that comes up with anything. From the sounds of other ppls plights, I doubt that 'it was 6 years ago and it was in college' will sway the Boeing Security team.

Pessimistic..i know..

You know something, Ive been unemployed since I got out of college. Companies left and right weren't even calling me back.

I thought what chance do I have with Boeing. I got offered my dream job and life, as we all have come to know it, has a very twisted sense of humor.

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D-man in Edison, New Jersey

30 months ago

When did you graduate? Companies are starting to pick up in the employment line. Try UTC as well. Don't be discourage, I know that feeling. I was like that from the day I got that dreadful fedex package to the day I was cleared. When you talk to boeing security, be apologetic but don't sound desperate.

Here is the thing though, you do not even know if you're going to get that package, i think your prayer should be that you do not get it. When i spoke to boeing security, they told me their cut off year for any kind of offense is 3 years. They are more strict with anything within three years, unless you did something crazy more than 3 years a go like theft or murder or like that one guy in this thread that lied about completing his bachelors degree; That's just unacceptable.

Goodluck, and let us know how it goes.

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sameboat in Blacksburg, Virginia

30 months ago

Do you suggest I shud wait till (if--kock on wood) I get the package or should I call next week and then let them know of it? I would think that sooner the better..this way I can be more proactive about it. I also dont want to unnecessarily raise flags..kind of like..dont point it out and know will make a big deal..

I certainly hope that the cut-off time plays in here.. God knows i need this job. I literally am down to my last nerve.

I graduated in Aug 2011

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D-man in Edison, New Jersey

30 months ago

ohh, thats not so long a go. I graduate in May 2011 and just started my boeing job this month.

Yes, I would suggest you wait till an actual concern is raised before you start saying things that are unnecessary. I am pretty sure you'll be fine.

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sameboat in Blacksburg, Virginia

30 months ago

thanks D-man..you've managed to give some glimmer of hope..i'll keep this thread updated. I'll submit my drug test tomorrow..tht will be fine

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D-man in Edison, New Jersey

30 months ago

you're welcome. I've been in those shoes, so i know how you feel.

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Will in Lynnwood, Washington

30 months ago

I just got my offer from boeing last week. i accepted and took my urine test along with completing all other contingencies accept the backround check which is still pending. all i have on my record is a disorderly conduct charge from 2009 and an M.I.P charge from b4 i was 18. Is this going to prevent me from getting this job? has anyone else with a misdemeanor been hired? And is there anything i can do to help this process?

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