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former1 in Wichita, Kansas

28 months ago

I have received a contingent offer from Boeing but the starting salary is a little lower than I was hoping for. After the interview, the hiring manager mentioned that everything went really well and my references spoke very highly of my technical expertise so I am excited about the opportunity to get back on with Boeing.

I have read all the posts on here in regards to counter offers but non are very current and they didn't answer my specific question. The proposed salary is a 13% increase over my current salary but I would have to relocate to Washington where the cost of living is about 26% higher in Seattle than from where I am at currently. They are offering a relocation package, but if I accepted, I'd be taking a pay cut based upon the difference. Does anyone have any experiance negotiating salary relative to the cost of living?

Is my staffing specialist the one to contact in regards to this or should I contact the hiring manager to mention to him my issue, thinking maybe he could plead with HR in regards to the offer.

I have 5 business days to respond, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

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Jack in Everett, Washington

28 months ago

Yeah, don't counter. They will decline. Be happy that Boeing has even given you an offer. Or just stay in Kansas Toto.

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Reyo in Fullerton, California

21 months ago

When you mean denied, do you mean deny your counter-offer, or deny you altogether and look for someone else?

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NatG in Kanata, Ontario

16 months ago

Former1, hi!
I'm currently awaiting Boeing's response on my counter-offer, so I'd like to know how it went with you.
Did you end up getting the job? Was your counter-offer accepted?
I'm afraid to lose a great opportunity just because I dared to ask for more... It's been 3 days since, and I haven't heard back yet.

I'd really appreciate if you could share your experience!

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former1 in Redmond, Washington

16 months ago

They did accept my counter offer and I took the job. While the COL is higher from my previous location The salary increase and plentiful opportunities for OT pay (non-exempt) have more than made up any differences. Not to mention that my retirement benefits will now be paid at a union negotiated higher rate. They have five days to respond. I think they contacted me on day four.

Good Luck.
former1

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former1 in Redmond, Washington

16 months ago

former1 in Redmond, Washington said: They did accept my counter offer and I took the job. While the COL is higher from my previous location The salary increase and plentiful opportunities for OT pay (non-exempt) have more than made up any differences. Not to mention that my retirement benefits will now be paid at a union negotiated higher rate. They have five days to respond. I think they contacted me on day four.

Good Luck.
former1

BTW... If they deny your counter offer, the original offer should still stand. Before I countered I made sure to ask the HR rep if the original offer was still available no matter what the results of my counter was and he said yes it was. So you should still have that.

No Longer a former1 :-)

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NatG in Kanata, Ontario

16 months ago

Thank you very much, you really helped!
It's been 5 months since the job posting, and, after going through all this, I wouldn't like to lose my chance:-)
Have a great day!

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former1 in Redmond, Washington

16 months ago

I applied in January and started in the end of May. They are pretty slow.

Good Luck
No Longer a former1 :-)

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NatG in Kanata, Ontario

16 months ago

You know, the other odd thing that bothers me as well is that now, since I counter-offered, the status of the position I got an final job offer for shows "Job Requisition Cancelled"!! How come?..
5 months of interviews, waiting, background checks and security clearance, final job offer 4 days ago - and no CANCELLED?
Is that possible that they just simply cancelled this position after sending me an official offer?...

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former1 in Norcross, Georgia

16 months ago

Not likely but entirely possible. They at least owe a response. Good luck

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NatG in Kanata, Ontario

16 months ago

For those who will be looking for the info about counter-offering:
I just got a call from Boeing, they didn't accept my counter-offer and I'll have to take or leave the initial one.
1. I aksed only 2.5% increase for what they offered, and they didn't go for it:-(
2. I asked for a relocation package (it says Relocation money available YES on the job posting in BESS), but they said no because I'm in Canada, and it's a different story here :-( Am upset about it, as 100km in Canada is no different than 100km in USA!!
3. I asked for a later start date due to my personal reasons, and this is the only thing they agreed on:-)
I still have the weekend to think it over, but, since their initial offered base salary is 35% higher than what I'm making right now and about 50% higher including bonuses, I should take it, I guess...
Good luck to everyone!

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thegame in Bothell, Washington

16 months ago

NatG in Kanata, Ontario said: For those who will be looking for the info about counter-offering:
I just got a call from Boeing , they didn't accept my counter-offer and I'll have to take or leave the initial one.
1. I aksed only 2.5% increase for what they offered, and they didn't go for it:-(
2. I asked for a relocation package (it says Relocation money available YES on the job posting in BESS), but they said no because I'm in Canada, and it's a different story here :-( Am upset about it, as 100km in Canada is no different than 100km in USA!!
3. I asked for a later start date due to my personal reasons, and this is the only thing they agreed on:-)
I still have the weekend to think it over, but, since their initial offered base salary is 35% higher than what I'm making right now and about 50% higher including bonuses, I should take it, I guess...
Good luck to everyone!

good luck especially now that there laying off 800 workers my wife works there and its a spooky time since the the layoff news hit and her job is in jeopardy and she doesnt even work on the 787 or 747 but it all comes down to job codes and where there laying off at but be careful its spooky right now 800 doesnt seem like alot but from the factory and u dont have 1 yr or more ur not safe .

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former1 in Redmond, Washington

16 months ago

It is a little to late for you now, but for others in the initial interview, if you can, keep something in your back pocket that you can use as a deal maker when you counter offer. In other words be sure you have something you can add as accomplishments or a special skill you can drop on them with the counter offer. I did that and got the additional 5% I asked for.
Let us know if you accept.

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NatG in Kanata, Ontario

16 months ago

thegame in Bothell, Washington said: good luck especially now that there laying off 800 workers my wife works there and its a spooky time since the the layoff news hit and her job is in jeopardy and she doesnt even work on the 787 or 747 but it all comes down to job codes and where there laying off at but be careful its spooky right now 800 doesnt seem like alot but from the factory and u dont have 1 yr or more ur not safe .

Well, first of all, I'm in Canada, not US, and second - I'm hired to run a specific project, so I don't think lay offs will come close to me. But I'm sorry to hear that Boeing is laying off people again:-((((

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NatG in Kanata, Ontario

16 months ago

former1 in Redmond, Washington said: It is a little to late for you now, but for others in the initial interview, if you can, keep something in your back pocket that you can use as a deal maker when you counter offer. In other words be sure you have something you can add as accomplishments or a special skill you can drop on them with the counter offer. I did that and got the additional 5% I asked for.
Let us know if you accept.

former1, hi again!
My current employer counter-offered: they gave me and increase of 30% to my current salary and an extra-week of vacation a year. I'm thinking of taking this offer and stay where I'm at, since the job at Boeing is about 100km away, and Boeing doesn't want to pay for my relocation.
Of course, Boeing still gives more money, but the whole move thing, long commute to work, gas money (which is lot more expensive in Canada than in the US) makes me not want the job...
I haven't signed anything with Boeing yet, but they think that I'm taking the job for sure. They will be furious if I say no

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shabo in Everett, Washington

15 months ago

Hi former1, what kind of skills did you drop on them? were they not already in your resume? Can I send them my other offers (from other companies) that are higher?

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former1 in Redmond, Washington

15 months ago

I told them about some special projects that I had did that were not on my resume. The resume only should list key important skills and experience. Additional information can be mentioned in the interview or used for a counter offer. These were skills that I felt were important but did not include them on resume. Keep it short and relevant. Resumes are scanned and key words are what gets the interview . Details should be left for then and I chose to hold some back in case I needed them later which I did.

I would not give them anything regarding any other companies offers as they will reject the counter offer.

Good Luck,
No longer a former1

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joannie in Rochester, New York

14 months ago

I have a suggestion for Boeing. My suggestion is this, at least assign a range of pay to your applications. You would save your company and your potential employees alot of time, money and energy in applying for jobs they would never take. I can honestly say although we were excited to hear from Boeing and the possibility of working there, it was quickly deflated by the compensation that was being offered, with no opportunity to even counter for this type of job, and thats OK, but we felt what was not Ok, was not knowing in advance what the pay would be, so that we did not waste our time or yours to even apply. Good Luck with anyone out there and I hope Boeing reads this and at least adds the range of salary to there lisings so they are not wasting their time or others. BTW Although I do realize everyone's situation is different, so is what they offer and you do you get what you pay for...GOOD LUCK

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Outdoors in Lake Orion, Michigan

10 months ago

former1 in Redmond, Washington said: They did accept my counter offer and I took the job. While the COL is higher from my previous location The salary increase and plentiful opportunities for OT pay (non-exempt) have more than made up any differences. Not to mention that my retirement benefits will now be paid at a union negotiated higher rate. They have five days to respond. I think they contacted me on day four.

Good Luck.
former1

Hi Former1,

Thank you very much for sharing the experiences. I have a couple of questions.
1. Would you be able to negotiate vacation or is that standard in the company?
2. Do engineers at Boeing get OT? What is the OT normally charged, 1.5 or just straight rate?

Thanks for all of your help!

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former1 in Redmond, Washington

10 months ago

Vacation is not negotiable. They will most likely pre load you with 2 weeks of vacation on day one. Engineers are considered exempt so OT would be paid at rate plus $6.50.

On the other hand of your classified as nonexempt then it is paid at 1.5 and 2x rate based upon days or number of hours worked.

Ask them if your job is exempt.

Hope this helps.

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