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Exp62 in Chantilly, Virginia

68 months ago

cbm5042 in Baltimore, Maryland said: Hey thanks for the reply Exp62!

I am still in the military, serving in the ANG as a SSGT and have one year left on my contract. I am interviewing in the Annapolis Junction/Linthicum MD area on the O&S team as a web developer and graphic artist. Unlike most BAH jobs, I have been told to bring a portfolio of my work as well since it is more of a creative position. I have an area in mind that I'd like to live in MD and grew up there so I know its fairly expensive but I'm used to it. Anyway, so with the two BA's, experience in the military involving the position, and a solid portfolio, and my TS I'd hope to negotiate in the low to high 50's. Through my research I've found the avg salary for even 0 yrs experience coming into BAH is just under 60 so I thought mid 50's was a reasonable starting point.

Any additional advice or opinions would definitely be helpful, thanks so much.

cbm5042,

Well you may not like my advice, but I am always truthful so here goes. I have two friends that have started out as graphic artists at BAH and neither one stayed in those positions and neither one was happy. I do not think the firm appreciates artists as much as technologists because the government will not pay all that much for one. Therefore the person in that type of position must be supported through overhead. Overhead will only support so much of a salary. So both persons I know moved out of that position and into being a consultant. So I guess you have to love art enough to put up with a lower salary that your colleagues or eventually move into being a consultant. BTW the one artist I know is very successful on the side. He sells his art and has written and illustrated a book for children.

Good luck and remember this you will be had pressed to find a better company, better people or better benefits.

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cbm5042 in Baltimore, Maryland

68 months ago

Thanks again Exp62, you've been extremely helpful!

Well its sort of graphic design by necessity I have a degrees in it but my two bachelors from Penn State center around a primary focus in advertising and art direction, my specialty being strategic communications and client problem solving so it goes beyond just art. I totally agree that it would be extremely difficult to find a better company with better benefits and I can only hope the people are as good. Still, I'm excited to jump in head first, take my lumps, and see what its all about. BTW, the specific job title is listed as a 70,000+ position here on indeed and while I can't ensure they would start me at that it bodes well for what the actual range will be... I hope

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Beefeater in Bellingham, Washington

66 months ago

Hi,

Does anyone here know much about the offices in Seattle or Fairbanks? I am applying for an Environmental Specialist position at these locations. Also, as far as dress goes at BAH is it true that everyone wears a suit and tie?

Thanks.

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Exp62 in Chantilly, Virginia

66 months ago

Beefeater,

I do not know much about the offices in Seattle or Fairbanks, but I sure wish I could go work in Fairbanks for a while. As far as the dress goes the government sector pretty much wear suit and tie, except for the woman and if the client requests you to dress differently. My guess is that in Fairbanks it would be more business casual, as it is on Fridays throughout the firm unless you are meeting with a client or partner etc.

I can tell you this the environmental group at Booz is a great place to be. They are growing like gang busters in almost every location. I will also say that you would be hard pressed to find any better place to work. The best people the best benefits etc. They love when you take training and reward you for furthering your education. Not to mention that they are going to be putting money in your 401k even if you do not. You will get profit sharing and I will not mention the amount for many reasons but it is far and above what you get at most companies. It may not mean much to a young person at first, but you could probably retire with only their contributions if you started as a college grad and stayed 25 years or more. Remember this too, you can move around in the firm to other positions if you get board and with each promotion your job changes a little I wish I had started here in my 20's instead of my late 30's. I can see myself working here until they kick me out with my walker.

I hope this helps and welcome aboard to the one of the finest company on earth!

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Beefeater in Bellingham, Washington

66 months ago

Thanks a lot Exp62. I'm excited about my interview next week.

I had sort of a pre-interview talk with a recruiter and he asked me about salary. Anyone know how much I should ask for? The position is specifically "Environmental Specialist, Junior" and I will need a clearance.

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Howard Ambrose no fear in Chester, Maryland

66 months ago

50k

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cbm5042 in Baltimore, Maryland

66 months ago

If you have an existing security clearance with a poly I would aim higher between 55-60 because the firm saves a TON of money if you already have one and so you should be rewarded for it. I think 50 is definitely on the low end for Maryland but as a junior with little experience I could see it. Still, don't be afraid to ask for 55. The average starting salary for a junior consultant, according to PayScale is 60,317 but that is all jobs, including higher paid engineers, software designers, etc. Booz Allen is a great company I've been there 3 weeks and it has been great. To land a job with such a reputable company at a time like this is so rare, so make sure you utilize this opportunity.

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Beefeater in Bellingham, Washington

66 months ago

Thanks for your responses. It sounds like this position is set at $35,000 a year to begin with. Which sounds low compared to the other amounts mentioned here, but this kind of position is for an individual that's straight out of college. Such as an individual as myself.

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JJordan in Arlington, Virginia

66 months ago

Beefeater,

Do not accept a job for 35k. That is a rip off. The above two posters gave good indications. If it is seriously for 35k, what is the job title and description - is it something administrative? That is too low for a real job on a client facing team.

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cbm5042 in Baltimore, Maryland

66 months ago

No 35k is still too low, even for someone right out of college. I'm curious as to where the salary is mentioned? If its on the job board that doesn't mean much at all, but if the salary level was stated by Booz Allen, by the recruiter, etc. then I honestly didn't know they paid juniors that low (I'm a level 1 and am extremely close to doubling that figure, so yeah). If you didn't hear this from Booz Allen then trust me, that is NOT the salary. A junior straight out of college should be 50, not 35.

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RR 82 in Palo Alto, California

64 months ago

Does someone know how is Booz Allen office in San Francisco? Do they also have strict dress codes (suits!)?

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T S36200 in Mc Lean, Virginia

61 months ago

Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas said: KennaFish,

First I never said all nine years have been bad. Second I find your disrespect and snotty attitude typical of the unprofessional slop that we now hire. If like wimblee said you want to turn this into a pissing contest or name calling/insult fest let's wait until we can talk face-to-face. I loved my first six years with the firm, but we are NOT that firm any more whether you want to believe it or not. Back then we were known as the meat grinder if you could last 2 yrs at the firm you were considered one of the best. Back then when we interviewed people we grilled them with hard technical questions. We had people that were about to cry that asked if they could just leave the interview because it was too tough. Now the firm hires anyone with a pulse. You're sorry for me? Please don't be, I damn sure do not need the pity of a BB-shooter or army lifer. Which by the way when you type the title Marine you capitalize the "M". If you had any respect or honor you would have known that. Nice comments about my pay check too. I have not found the right position YET, but rest assured when I do I will leave. I will also escape Texas as soon as possible. You talk about my commitment; my commitment is not just to the firm but also to my client. If you had experienced the real BAH you would know that our motto was "The clients mission is our mission". Marines do not believe in failure unlike other branches of the service. So in the military if you ended up in a bad place or under a bad command did you just quit?

Was this comment helpful 13 replied NO! Hahaha This person is angry.

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T S36200 in Mc Lean, Virginia

61 months ago

Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas said: Well KennaFish, your six months of experience with the firm definitely out weigh my nine years. You have been there six months and you already know that the firm will let you switch around if you do not like your job huh? I had a young lady try to come over to my team and her boss made her life so miserable that you finally just left the firm altogether. I know a L4 that got a company to pay for a trip to Europe for him and a colleague now they are trying to force that company's product down the throat of the government without a trade study or product comparison. Sounds like the honest broker we claim to be huh? He now has that same company providing training to his team and that company is picking up the airfare, hotel, car rental and meals. Do you think they are paying for all this because they are just nice and like this L4 that much? Or could they be looking for something in return? Tell me if it is so great why are we loosing so many people? Why did we have to start offering bigger bonuses for recruiting?

9 years of experience hasn't humbled you a bit I see, LOL! Heave forbid the guy have an opinion!

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Anonymous in Centreville, Virginia

50 months ago

I've only been with this company a few days and I am already extremely turned off by the snooty culture. Whoever said this company is full of sychophants is correct. It is also a very rigid environment. You can throw your joy out the window if you intend to work for Booz Allen. Unless you don't mind kissing butt and sucking up to the powers that be, you'll be mighty unhappy.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

50 months ago

I finally escaped from vomitorium known as the firm. My last three years there were like torture. At one point during an all hands we were warned about writing anything bad about the firm online. We were told that HR was reviewing all on line forums about business like this one and they would open fake accounts in order to catch people not drinking the kool aide. So if you still work there and do not want to end up getting fired be careful who you trust online. I can tell you this much before I was finally out of the firm they had me convinced I was a worthless piece of crap even though I had built a team of 19 at one point. I am now a program manager for another company could not be happier and my career is again on the right track. I no longer have any of the aggravation I had at that crap hole. BAH has great benefits and will for as long as they can survive. The trade rags are all predicting their demise within the next few years, which is when those treated poorly by the firm will have our final victory. Until then I am sure the firm will continue to promote those without degrees, certifications, those who write things like "God Speed" instead of "godspeed". I have held on to emails that look like they have been written by third graders, but were actually written by upper management. BTW if you do not mind being a punk like Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption you can really go places at the firm.

Oh in McLean (I am guessing a IV or V maybe partner) please anger me off enough for me to start spilling some of the dirty little secrets I know about the firm.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

50 months ago

T S36200 in Mc Lean, Virginia said: Was this comment helpful 13 replied NO! Hahaha This person is angry.

I guess something is wrong with the web site and you know better huh? You claim 13 said NO <in capitals too> and yet the site indicates 4 nos & 2 Yes hmmmm... can you say HR babe?

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Booziewoozy in Seaside, California

49 months ago

I got a job offer from Booz after an interview. The salary is 55k-65k and i will be a "Senior Consultant", but i dont know what level I am. What do you guys think i should shoot for or is it already too late?

Also, i noticed a few of you have left the company the later returned. So leaving the company soon after you're hired wont cause you to burn the BAH bridge? How long after you're hired can you leave without having to worry about closing the BAH door? Is there a blacklist of names?

i feel i could have negotiated more pay.

any advice to any of my questions will be greatly appreciated.

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Theoted in Maryland in Elkton, Maryland

48 months ago

I am looking for public affairs position with BAH, preferably at Aberdeen. I am unfamiliar with BAH.
Any direction from anyone with advice?

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GuessImaHater in Herndon, Virginia

45 months ago

Ive been reading these posts for months, and I have to agree that Booz Allen Hamilton sucks for ANYONE with an individual personality. Its as though they frown upon uniqueness. I hate the "networking". Ive gotten awards, clients are more than happy with my work and want me to come on as a GS, but is that good enough for Booz? NO! They want you to schmooze after work; Drink and carry on. Im just the type of gal who likes to put my head down and grind out my work. All the socializing and whatnot is just not in my personality and I dont believe that my natural personality should be frowned upon, especially if I do quality work. If the client is happy, why cant they leave me alone? Im actively searching for work at another company now, because I simply do not fit into the cliquish culture at the firm. Im a Marine. (formerly AD, now reserve) I really do hate coming to work. Ive had my work stolen! Ive been lied on and stabbed in the back, yet I still came out on top. I have only had ONE good project manager in my three year tenure. I can not wait to be free.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

45 months ago

To GuessImaHater in Herndon, Virginia,

You say you are a Marine &I believe you so if you are the kind of Marine that I am, one with integrity &a sense of what is right &wrong with the desire to do what is right then of course you are unhappy at BAH. The only Marines I ever knew that were happy there were the kinds that the rest of us hate in the Corps. One I knew butt kissed his way to IV &everyone on our team said it. In Oct 08 I met 2 Marines that knew him in the Corps &they said he was not respected in the Corps because he was a butt kisser there too. Another threatened to leave &they promoted him yet he never built a team, capability or brought in any work. I on the other hand did all of that but I was not a leader then I left &so did 15 of the 20 people that worked for me. The so called successful people there would sell their mothers for $1. I finally had to leave after being removed from an army task where I was the only prior service military &they were doing things to endanger soldier’s lives &I would not be a part of it for them to make money. Find a new place none are perfect but there are better places.

Semper Fi!

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GuessImaHater in Indian Head, Maryland

45 months ago

Semper Fi Marine83! That is the problem I have with many Boozers. Its sad that Ive only had one pleasant experience in three years. I feel like integrity and scruples simply do not exist. People are fake, and anyone with any morals or good character LEAVE as soon as possible. Everyone else stay because they swallowed the Kool-Aid. Or maybe their market just isnt the way mine is. Ive also heard that attitudes differ depending on where you are. Im in OS. Enough said! Im not an ass kisser. I didnt do it on active duty, and I dont do it now. The problem they have with me is that I stand up for myself. I try not to let Booz run my life. And, I say whats on my mind. They say they want original thinkers, but its a lie. And we really dont do genuine consulting. We are hourly workers! They do whatever the client wants, even when they disrespect us. Managers dont have our backs, and its hard trusting anyone. Im just tired of the lies and games. I have a meeting with my level four soon. Wonder what BS I'll be fed this time.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

45 months ago

Semper Fi GuessImaHater! Don't succumb to the BS or Kool-Aid drinking fools at "the firm". You are correct about not being real consultants, again they do not care about the truth just money.

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Sarmer82 in Alexandria, Virginia

42 months ago

I was just offered a position with BAH as a Security Administrator in Herndon, VA. I have been working for Federal Gov't for 3.5 years now and looking for a change. I am looking for something that is closer to where I live. Right now i work in DC but take a commuter bus to get here-which is not bad at all especially since i am receiving subsidy transportation. After reading some of the comments, I am not sure whether I would want to make a transition from a Federal Gov't to a Private Sector at this time. I am kind of inclined not to accept a position with BAH because of all of the changes. Can anyone offer suggestions/recommendations or any advice?

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

42 months ago

Sarmer82 - What GS level are you? What level did BAH offer you? I will tell you this much a technical position at BAH is not one you see very often. I went to BAH as a very technical engineer (hands on) and within 2-4 years I was spending so much time writing and being a consultant that I lost all my technical skills. It has changed a lot over the past few years and was a much better place when it was a privately held company. Now they have to please the stock holders and board of directors and they will do anything it takes to please those people. Even sell their mothers and eat their young.

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Sarmer82 in Alexandria, Virginia

42 months ago

Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas said: Sarmer82 - What GS level are you? What level did BAH offer you? I will tell you this much a technical position at BAH is not one you see very often. I went to BAH as a very technical engineer (hands on) and within 2-4 years I was spending so much time writing and being a consultant that I lost all my technical skills. It has changed a lot over the past few years and was a much better place when it was a privately held company. Now they have to please the stock holders and board of directors and they will do anything it takes to please those people. Even sell their mothers and eat their young.

Right now I am GS-11 and my promotion goes up to GS-12 full performance level. They are offering me somewhere around the pay that I am making right now, slightly little bit more. But the only reason for change would be that it is within my commuting distance. Although, I have adjusted to going to Washington DC everyday, but just thought it would be nice working 20 minutes from my residence. The Security Admistrator deals mainly with the clearance level aspect of the job, not necessarily technical part of it. Here are the brief job duties:
Key Role: Administer US government security policies and procedures to assist the Facility Security Officer (FSO) with managing classified government contract programs. Oversee the day to day operations of a cleared facility, manage and monitor all access, and administer security education. Provide support in clearance processing, visit certifications, document control, physical security and security awareness initiatives with collateral security program.

I see when you say pleasing the stock holders! Are you still employed with them or not?

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

42 months ago

Sarmer82 - Now that I know the position is an FSO type position I would tread very carefully. I did not know anyone in the security office (those that handled clearances, paperwork, briefing and debriefing duties etc.) that stayed with the firm very long at all. The firm and management did not care a lot about those people either. Not that the firm cares a lot about people below level IV anymore. Just seeing the turnover in that group would worry me.

I have not been with the firm for a few years now. I felt a great burden lifted when I did leave. Life is not perfect anywhere but it does not have to be torturous where you work or live.

I wish you the best.

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Sarmer82 in Washington, District of Columbia

42 months ago

Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas said: Sarmer82 - Now that I know the position is an FSO type position I would tread very carefully. I did not know anyone in the security office (those that handled clearances, paperwork, briefing and debriefing duties etc.) that stayed with the firm very long at all. The firm and management did not care a lot about those people either. Not that the firm cares a lot about people below level IV anymore. Just seeing the turnover in that group would worry me.

I have not been with the firm for a few years now. I felt a great burden lifted when I did leave. Life is not perfect anywhere but it does not have to be torturous where you work or live.

I wish you the best.

Thanks for you advice, I might just go ahead and pass on the offer especially now since the economy is bad-it would be a bad decision to make a move going from gov't to private sector.

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Deipnosophist in Vienna, Virginia

40 months ago

I worked at Booz Allen for over eight years. During that time, I organically built a team of nearly 150 consultants. A very high performance team. From 2006 until 2010, I was happily involved in university recruiting, and on-site recruiting in the DC area -- as a Principal, I assisted in hiring over 500 staff for the organization. Booz Allen was a great company until late 2008. Since the sell off of the commercial group -- the 'WCB' -- and take over by the private equity firm, the culture has changed significantly. In the past year, it has experienced many departures of very talented staff. It has continued to decline. At the end of March 2010, the culture likely changed forever. The Core Values -- that which made Booz Allen a very special place to work -- seemed to be tossed aside. These 10 guiding principles: Client Service, Excellence, Diversity, Entrepreneurship, and Teamwork; Professionalism, Respect, Integrity, Fairness, and Trust. There are many, many places out there to build a career. Great companies that adhere to these fundamental principles. Be careful -- choose wisely.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

40 months ago

Looks like you cannot write anything bad about BAH or your experiences there any more.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

40 months ago

Is this forum now owned by the Carlyle Group?

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

40 months ago

Core values were gone in 2003.

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MrDeals in Madison, Alabama

39 months ago

Any one here in Huntsville/Madison Al? Wondering what BAH in Huntsville is like? How are they to work for, how hard has it been to keep a job with the way things have been last 12-18 months.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

39 months ago

MrDeals - I would image BAH in Huntsville would be like any other site outside the Washington, D.C. metro area which is where HQ is located. So that would mean a more laid back environment however one where you really need to be contected IOWs those who are friends with those in charge are the ones who benefit NOT those who work hard. As far as keeping a job goes BAH is just like every other company now. If they lose the work you have 2 weeks to find something else. Relocations are hard to get and the bulk of their work is in DC. Also now that they are no longer private life is not as good as it once was. Benefits are slowly disappearing. Good luck!

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Deipnosophist in Vienna, Virginia

39 months ago

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BoozReHire in McLean, Virginia

39 months ago

Deipnosophist in Vienna, Virginia said: Culture: legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2011/07/booz-allen-hamilton-partner-sues-for-gender-discrimination.html

Just to note...She has a GOOD case!

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

39 months ago

From my experience I have no doubt Molly's story is 100% true and accurate. The Earth has never had a greater collection of arrogant people in one place like BAH.

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dcgirl in Baltimore, Maryland

38 months ago

I have no doubt that Molly Finn will settle out of Court or go to trial and will win. The charges ring exceptionally true within the Old Boy's Network at Booz Allen hamilton.I worked at BAH for 6 years until I made the transition to Booz & Co at a higher level and higher pay with higher respect from my superiors (which by far is exceptional when it comes to the way they treat their teams.yes you work hard but you are taken care of unlike BAH.I've since moved on in a senior leadership capacity elsewhere with fantastic credentials.I've seen the differences in management and leadership styles and corporate cultures.And there is absolutely a lot to be said about getting ahead at BAH whilst having your lips firmly planted where the sun seldom shines.If you do not fit the 'mold' at BAH, if you think outside the box and outside the scope of what your manager might prefer, there is no hope for advancement or support.When I joined the Firm it was still One Firm with the legacy CB and TB teams.The company culture was that of a true management consulting firm.Over the last 3 years especially since the buyout by Carlyle, Booz Allen Hamilton is nothing more than glorified contracting firm focusing on staff augmentation (butts in seats) in a way to hold onto clients during this economic cycle we are all experiencing. Many credentialed smart individuals have left to be snapped up competitors and clients alike.The current batch of juniors being hired have zero experience and are bubble-gum popping (I generalize as not all are but most)fraternity/sorority kids still wondering around with beer goggles on.The culture of the Firm is no longer the way it used to be.Even 10 years ago when the old boys network was in full gear, the culture was one of growth and development.Today it depends on who you know, who likes you, who you kiss up to and islittle about what you know and can do.You either fit in or you do not.Little is invested in development. I have to agree with most posts above

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dcgirl in Baltimore, Maryland

38 months ago

to BoozReHire

Molly Finn has exceptionally Good Cause.. i hope she wins...

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Deipnosophist in Vienna, Virginia

38 months ago

It is rather universal: all hope Molly Finn wins. ixNay on oozeBay. All of the claims in the 30+ page discourse seem very plausible; in fact i can actually hear some of the dialogue of the personalities. Knew em all. (knew MF too -- and personally believe that one can take her in very small doses). Of course, I could only take all of the Shrader-Minion-Sycophants in small doses -- the SMSs. Also, by the way, Booze was all over the place with respect to Diversity. Good heavens. More on this later.

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JusticeForMollyFinn in Sarasota, Florida

38 months ago

Since my last visit I see that my original post has been removed. Marine83, your observation about Carlyle Group ownership of this forum might just be correct. Anyway, to get back to the original question that launched this thread, I have the following to say, based on the changes I've seen in my nearly 15 years of working for BAH at multiple offices around the country: things have changed, and NOT for the better.

Since the great internal purges nearly eighteen months ago, which were launched in preparation for going public, Booz Allen has become OBSESSED with growth. By "growth," the powers that be mean "each Senior Associate gathering as many bodies as possible, qualifications of said bodies or available work with which to productively employ them be damned." It is, very simply, all about empire building and bonus grabbing, each overpaid and under-worked member of the Management Class (Senior Associate and above) desperately trying to justify his/her existence, usually at the expense of people who are actually producing by keeping clients happy.

Perhaps the most obscene manifestation of the "growth fixation" is in the current utilization "policy" (and I use that term loosely), coupled with its bogus "resource management" program. Unlike in years past (before going public), when employees and the teams in which they worked were valued and something approaching real leaders and real managers worked hard to keep their people billable, Booz Allen now no longer makes even a halfhearted pretense of helping people stay billable over the long term. If your contract runs out, it is ENTIRELY UP TO YOU, THE LOWLY WORKER BEE, to find yourself new work. If you're incredibly lucky, know the right people, and k*** the right a***s, you just MIGHT get help in finding leads that might possibly turn into new work. Otherwise, you're pretty much shafted.

Bottom line for would-be applicants: RUN, FORREST, RUN, and don't look back!

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OdinLink in Vienna, Virginia

37 months ago

Boy is KennaFish in for a big surprise. Six mos. at L2? LOL. Just you wait. Walk sideways in the halls, my friend, it's the best way to avoid crossfire.

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Wasn't ready for this... in Cleveland, Ohio

34 months ago

It's only been 3 months and I'm already sensing that Booz Allen will make me get a higher degree or some certifications. It feels like all my fellow collegues have an MBA and are working towards other certs. I just want to do my job well. I'm not interested in getting certifications or going to school at night. I came to this firm for the "work-life" balance that they highly touted. Does anyone have any feedback on how I'm feeling?

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

34 months ago

Not ready in Cleveland - If you are upset about BAH wanting you to go to training/school and think that was mis-leading on their work-life balance they touted during recruiting are you in for some surprises. The firm provides $5k & 40 hrs per year for training/certifications or at least they use to maybe they have taken that away too. You are going to find yourself (if you are any good at what you do) working a lot of overtime. As an example did they ever mention your working on proposals? First you work an 8 hour billable day then you go back to the office if you are not already there and work another 8 on the prop. You do that for a few weeks and a couple of times per year. You may get an award for $100 all the way up to $1,000. After 5 years you get a pen with your initials and BAH on it oh yeah & $100. After 10 years you get a plaque and $500. Oh this is if they have not taken those away. Back in the old days 1999, it was a better place they gave you a lot and took care of their employees. But here is why... In the 90's they hemorrhaged people to the rate of 70% or per year. Until it gets like that again they will only care about the fat cats who bring their black books with them.

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JusticeForMollyFinn in Sarasota, Florida

33 months ago

Cleveland, every COE/team within Booz Allen is different, so I have no way of knowing what kind of pressure your "leadership" (or as close as Booz Allen will ever come to that) is putting on you to get an advanced degree or professional certification. PERSONALLY, my attitude toward such things is this: if an advanced degree or certification is an absolute requirement for you to fill a position or do a specific job, either because your current contract requires it or because the job requires the skill sets that the degree or cert will validate, then by all means get it - with the caveat that Booz Allen or the client pay for it IN FULL. Otherwise, don't bother. The truth is that advanced degrees and certifications are RARELY EVER actually required for anyone to actually do a job and do it well. The reality is that in the state-corporate world, a world in which Booz Allen and like firms are key players, employees are pressured into spending massive amounts of time and money to get these usually worthless scraps of paper so that their bosses can pad their bill rates when pitching their "services" to corrupt and gullible government clients. If YOU, AND YOU ALONE feel that an advanced degree or certification is worth getting in order to fulfill a personal goal, then by all means go for it, even if it means having to shell out your own money to obtain it. (BTW, a caveat: if you allow Booz Allen to pay for part of all of your degree or cert, they make you sign a promise to commit yourself to a certain number of months or years of employment to the firm, however long they feel it takes them to get a ROI on their expenditure in the form of the employee's billable productivity. Otherwise, if you quit before this term expires, they dock the amount of money they contributed toward your degree of cert from your severance pay. Nothing wrong with that, but it does limit your options for bailing out if things get intolerable.)

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JusticeForMollyFinn in Sarasota, Florida

33 months ago

Marine83, they're still offering the tuition reimbursement rates that you mention - at least for now. I expect that if things continue to go downhill as they are, that'll be history soon too. They're still also doling out small change on certain longevity anniversaries (they don't present you with a check or gift card anymore as they did in the "good old days," but include the "bonus" in your next regular monthly paycheck. By the time the IRS takes its cut, it's so small an amount that it will probably go unnoticed). They also still give out the engraved wooden plaques on the five-year incremental anniversaries. But, as these are relatively high quality gift products, I expect that practice will soon stop as well, if for no other reason than that giving them implies that "leadership" still cares about people who've dedicated years of their lives to making the firm successful. Not only does "caring" certainly not accord with the current business model, the expense of such gifts takes precious money out of the partners' pockets. What with the firm's inflated stock prices starting to tank, those guys are gonna need all the spare change they can get ahold of.

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FYIproposed debarment in Cuero, Texas

32 months ago

The Air Force has proposed that San Antonio office of BAH be debarred from federal contracts. The particular BAH office is now on the Excluded Parties List and cannot receive new contracts, or have options exercised while on the list. What does this say about the culture at BAH? Is this type of office behavior exclusive to San Antonio? The Air Force Memo dated FEB 06 2012 can be found online.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

32 months ago

I am no big fan of the firm any more, however I think they did all the right things in this case. Hell I know a level V in NOVA that has been getting contract information from his government client for the past 10 years and the firm just keeps promoting him. They fire who they want and protect who they want. Things never change.

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BTSGTG001 in San Antonio, Texas

32 months ago

Marine83, Ever thought of reporting your claim (which I totally believe is true) to the ethics hotline? It'd not only be the right thing to do, but would perhaps have an impact on the culture of arrogance that tends permeates the firm.

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BTSGTG001 in San Antonio, Texas

32 months ago

Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas said: I am no big fan of the firm any more, however I think they did all the right things in this case. Hell I know a level V in NOVA that has been getting contract information from his government client for the past 10 years and the firm just keeps promoting him. They fire who they want and protect who they want. Things never change.

Marine83, Ever thought of reporting your claim (which I totally believe is true) to the ethics hotline? It'd not only be the right thing to do, but would perhaps have an impact on the culture of arrogance that tends permeates the firm.

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Marine83 in San Antonio, Texas

32 months ago

BTSGTG001 in San Antonio, Texas

No I am confident it would only backfire on me in some way. Like I said the firm will got to the mat for those who are part of the inner circle and backdoor boys hand shake club. I know someone who tried to report a LV & LIV that did not perform due diligence during a dismissal and nothing has changed. No matter what your LV or LIV might say to a partner the partner should know enough that he owes it to the individual, firm and what is right to perform an investigation. I'm not saying he should spend $1,000s looking into it but a couple of hours would have been prudent. No they will never learn until they are out of business which would be best for their clients when they are making 49% profit and all off the backs of level IIIs and below.

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