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Brehus in Kingwood, Texas

53 months ago

I fully support Vets getting points over us non Vets because they deserve the points but non vets should stand a chance at getting some jobs. I personally think the biggest issue is the friends and family first plan needs to be exposed and fixed. The simple fact is the high rate at which federal jobs are rigged is what is hurting a lot of Vets and Non Vets. I have applied for a job before that had 4 openings I got a 100 rating which is max for a non vet and didn't get a single call. Considering how most of the jobs are rigged I really didn't expect to get a call. I have been referred for several jobs and have never been contacted.

Federal jobs are like the lottery you have to be in it to win it.
You have to try so you can have that less than 1/10th of 1 percent chance of getting a federal job.

Government contract jobs are also rigged many of these jobs never get posted. There are some of these Government contract companies that will actually look for resumes on Monster and CareerBuilder that fits a job opening and actually contract the person and ask if they want their resume submitted for the job. The person they are contacting generally doesn't stand a real chance of getting the job. It is just to make it look like several qualified people applied for the job and then someone's friend of Family member gets the job

These Contract Companies have no interest in doing things the right way. They typically hire the person the Government Rep wants them to because they are interested in winning the contract again when the next bid comes around. Trust me if these contract companies don’t do everything the Government reps wants them to do they won’t get another contract

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lonni rob in Colorado Springs, Colorado

53 months ago

I am upset by the thread. I spent 5 years trying for a custodian job at a school district before i actually got one. Now I was hoping the federal govrenmnet isnt as bad it sounds worse. ugh

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sdgal in South Dakota

53 months ago

Could one of you federal HR folks please tell me what this means?

This refers to the application you recently submitted to this office. You have been rated best qualified and placed on the Promotion Certificate. Your next contact will be from the selecting official if they decide to interview.

because I got notification a week ago saying I wasn't qualified for competitive

now I am confused
Thanks

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TheHrTruth in Atlanta, Georgia

53 months ago

You are one of many people who are confused about the game of getting hired with the feds. Rule #1, agencies have the autonomy to manuever (manipulate) the system to hire what-is-supposed-to-be-the-best qualified person or (s). OPM does it best to monitor the rules but there are so many avenues for hiring managers to use. First and foremost, HR is only there is facilitate the hiring process. They have no power to make decisions. Their job is to act as a laison between the applicants and the hiring manager. Couple of tips....

1.) being placed on the list is great but if you dont hear anything within 30 days - the hiring manager is probably not going to use the list. Thats right. They can choose to recruit from another source. Than, you have wasted all your time writing KSA's for nothing.

2.) Some agencies have moved from a rating score system (0-100) to a catagorical system (qualified, well qualified, and best qualified). Regardless of being placed on a list - it means nothing until you are called for an interview. (hate to spread the bad news to you)

Hope this helps.....

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TheHrTruth in Atlanta, Georgia

53 months ago

Got to be careful with them. When they tell you "you are not qualified"; that is code for you are "well or often overqualifed" therefore your potential to actually do the job and subsequently move up is much better than incumbents. Ive noticed a lot more younger people in the fed governement. college students and lesser experienced people. So tell me? Did they complete a KSA and susequently get a job with no experience. It really IS about "who-you-know...".........and there is NOTHING......the new OPM Director (John Berry), the new Veterans hiring Initiative Group and the President can do about it. The only way to solve this problem is to centralize all federal government hiring!! Take it away from hiring managers. Do it like the military. A qualified person is interviewed, screened and sent to the workplace without the local agency being able to select their own.

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sdgal in South Dakota

53 months ago

Thanks everybody, just have to wait and see. I just couldn't figure out how I was not qualified and then I was unless they didn't have anybody else and reviewed my app again so that made me qualified in the second go.

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

50 months ago

The federal employment process is truly a joke. I get turned down again yet for another federal position, something that I was more than qualified for. Having veterans preference, why bother it doesn't really seem to make any difference what so ever. Here I am unemployed for over a year now, no hopes in the horizon. I've done everything I can think of to find a job, got all the education, experience, but no job. What else is there left to do?

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SpaceCwboy in Norcross, Georgia

48 months ago

First time poster. Vet with 4 years with no connections within nor vet preference. I agree with all of you here. It is very frustrating. After being unemployed for a year, checking my email very 4 hours for "the spill" (qualified/not qualified, referred to by, not referred, etc.) and hundreds of KSAs later, I finally landed a government job in June. I can only offer this little advise. #1. I can vouch for what TheHrTruth states when it comes to education. Too much isn't a good thing. I'm pretty sure this is because they either think you will bail on them (to another govt. job or private sector) when the economy picks up or will create friction between you and your boss (who doesn't have half the education you have) somewhere down the line. I noticed once I "reduced a little/omitted" some education experience, I started getting referred, interviews, one which in turn, got me a job. #2. The interview seems to be everything! I had got the to point where I was just deleting the "referred to by selecting..." emails because it was just getting my hopes up for nothing. If you are lucky enough to get an interview, you need to make it count. The HR Interviewer and I clicked immediately. We talked about so many things other than the position, when it came to the "Dynamic Interview" portion, it just seemed like a "technicality". More times than not, if you've made it this far, the job is there and it is all up to you in the interview (unless they have a relative in mind). After 3, I pretty much mastered the answers they wanted. #3. It does seem there is a slight bias against disabled vets. Some of my other interviewers in a "roundabout" gave me this impression. I'm not disabled, so I think like most have stated since you're already getting a check, and so many (non-disabled) Vets/Civilians are unemployed, in a way it doesn't make sense for them to hire you (especially if your condition worsens, you need time off because of it, etc.). Terrible logic, but that's how they think

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

48 months ago

Spacecowboy,

It's a shame that supervisorers feel so inferior to those people that spent the time to educate themselves. The worst thing I have experienced is that a federal agency I interviewed with basically didn't give me a job offer because I hadn't performed legal research for three years after leaving the military even though prior to leaving the military I had over 15 years worth of legal research experience. The answer this federal agency should've gave was that they already had some in mind for this position, that would've been better than giving me the poor excuse they did. I also think that it's a shame that federal agencies have a bias against disabled veterans. It is true they get a disability check but last time I checked the disability checks aren't enough to feed a family on and unemployment doesn't pay that much. I guess federal agencies like seeing all of those homeless veterans out there while their all driving to their nice warm home and don't have to worry about where their next meal is coming from. I guess disabled veterans service to this country doesn't really matter at the end of the day and shame on you if you go out and get a education. Wake up federal agencies not every educated veteran is out to get your nob nor are they going to just do their probationary time and then move on. Maybe, just maybe these veterans just want to serve their country again. Maybe those scared supervisors out there that are intimidated by educated veterans should all just be terminated and get someone in there that actually has a backbone and want to employ the best qualified applicant that will help that federal agency meet their operational goals and serve their country honorably and ethically once again.

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SpaceCwboy in Norcross, Georgia

48 months ago

It's a shame. I know for a fact at least 1 job I interviewed for they gave to their "buddy's/co-worker's" friend (found out later). I can't speak for most, but it is a "mafia" mentality. The trick for "reducing my education" actually came from a buddy of mine who works for a VA up north. As everyone here knows, KSAs only get you a score and responding with "key words" will always net you between 92-98. Most of the time, the person referring you is in another state or department and you will never see him/her. I scored between 95-98 lots of times (not referred). I think (I can't remember since it was a while back) scored 95 for the job I have now. However, once I started going to interviews, whenever they asked me what qualifications I had or wanted my background, that was the time I brought my education, skills and other relevant experience I didn't include on my resume,KSA, etc. into the equation (with documentation of course). Another thing I noticed was that most interviewers (as well as HR personnel) aren't prior military, but college educated civilians (which IMO gives me reason to believe sometimes (not always) they grab some of us (prior military) who don't have any connections when ordered by some state/federal or government mandate or quota.

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Richard6959 in Colorado Springs, Colorado

43 months ago

When an applicant is referred to the hiring manager, are there any limits on how many applicants get referred at a time? If 25 are screened and found to be highly qualified are all 25 referred?

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job hunter in Seaside, California

41 months ago

I am a veteran and been applying for civilian positions and so far no luck. most cases hiring manager already knows who to hire. I belive even for the governemnt jobs its all about who you know. I don't know if you are all aware but the Army jobs website has also recently changed. www.armycivilianservices.com is their new website and you can search for local or international jobs there. I have been applying for jobs all over the country but veterans preference doent mean shhhhtttt I guess. Good luck to all.

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sdgal in South Dakota

41 months ago

job hunter in Seaside, California said: I am a veteran and been applying for civilian positions and so far no luck. most cases hiring manager already knows who to hire. I belive even for the governemnt jobs its all about who you know. I don't know if you are all aware but the Army jobs website has also recently changed. www.armycivilianservices.com is their new website and you can search for local or international jobs there. I have been applying for jobs all over the country but veterans preference doent mean shhhhtttt I guess. Good luck to all.

Well the way the government is right now I am sure I don't want a government job just to get laid off or furloughed.
They are soooooooooo messed up, I applied for a warehouse position at the base and was suppose to get a interview and never did hear back. Another job that I was qualified for and knew the hiring person even, his boss was told by his boss that the Wing commander told him to hire this friend of his for the position. So yeah the federal hiring system needs to be cleaned out and cleaned up. I am currently working for a private trucking company using my military training, it is part time but hopefully full time later on. Good luck to all and God Bless

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SpaceCwboy in Norcross, Georgia

41 months ago

Richard6959 in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: When an applicant is referred to the hiring manager, are there any limits on how many applicants get referred at a time? If 25 are screened and found to be highly qualified are all 25 referred?

I've been kind of "keeping tabs" of the hiring process where I'm at for the last few months. Quite a few are referred. Now, as far as getting into an interview, that number is about a third of the referrals. They do not have the time to interview all 25, so more than likely 5-7 are interviewed (unless there are multiple vacancies). This is why I state the interview process seems to be the most important.

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SpaceCwboy in Norcross, Georgia

41 months ago

sdgal in South Dakota said: Well the way the government is right now I am sure I don't want a government job just to get laid off or furloughed.
They are soooooooooo messed up, I applied for a warehouse position at the base and was suppose to get a interview and never did hear back. Another job that I was qualified for and knew the hiring person even, his boss was told by his boss that the Wing commander told him to hire this friend of his for the position. So yeah the federal hiring system needs to be cleaned out and cleaned up. I am currently working for a private trucking company using my military training, it is part time but hopefully full time later on. Good luck to all and God Bless

That's why I applied to a field I knew was pretty safe (VA..120B spending budget this year). Keep trying and don't give up. My coworkers couldn't believe how many applications I sent out before I was hired (a lot of them never had to go through this process like you and I). Due to recent changes, it seems to be hard for civilians without prior military history to get in (unless it is a specialty occupation). Disabled vets are now given much more seniority in the hiring process (believe it or not...even than before).

Once you get in, you'll realize it is a "mafia type" mentality (who you know). Forget the hiring process, this mentality even applies to your job (getting things done, etc). I'm pretty sure everyone who has a government job can attest to this.

Here's a tip: Concentrate on the "rural areas". Your chances are greatly increased. I understand driving an hour or 2 everyday to work is horrible, but in a year (or sooner depending on your agency and their needs) you can apply for a transfer. If your transfer doesn't happen....apply to a different agency. Remember...the trick is getting in the door!! Like everyone will tell you..."Once you're in...you're in". Mob mentality again! LOL!

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SpaceCwboy in Norcross, Georgia

41 months ago

One last thing: Don't apply for a job "just to get in". I know a lot of Canteen Services people that have been applying for jobs for years. No offense against Canteen Workers (they bust their *ss and I personally believe between them and the Custodial staff, they are the hardest working people in federal government. Their pay is borderline illegal. lol). However, when applying for another position, this seems to be "frowned upon". I know few that have actually moved on, but it takes a lot of "networking". You are not going to make $10 an hour and suddenly make $40,000 a year. It's like the military. you know the PAC SSG is never going to be promoted to 1SG or CSM of a Unit. It happens, but after years of hard work and determination (and you don't have the time nor the budget to wait that long).

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CYA in Fairfax, Virginia

30 months ago

I second that with SpaceCwboy. 'Getting your foot in the door' doesn't apply always. Our front office receptionist was out 2 weeks ago and I covered the place for him. Two guys came in (mid-level for other divisions) and gave me a quick cursory nod and one guy commented, "You are always here doing this. Apply for more meaningful job within the agency." Hello!? As if being a secretary isn't a serious job. The other guy just smirked and said to him, "Man, he is good at being a secretary, don't rock the boat trying to bring a new face." It's unfortunate but some people don't believe in hiring from within just of certain positions holding now!

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jna115 in Port Jervis, New York

29 months ago

I put in for an intelligence position for the Air Force at about 6 different locations. They all referred my application to the hiring manager. Im a retired NYPD Detective Squad Sergeant with a degree. Do I have a shot or is it like a previous post where someone stated they already know who they are going to hire? Just want to know if Im wasting my time.

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jna115 in Port Jervis, New York

29 months ago

Hope my comment when through

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jna115 in Port Jervis, New York

29 months ago

The email actually stated is they want me I will get an email with an "offer".. What no interview? Is it because its as an intern. Do interns get paid? Not sure.

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Rick in Cathedral City, California

28 months ago

jna115 in Port Jervis, New York said: The email actually stated is they want me I will get an email with an "offer".. What no interview? Is it because its as an intern. Do interns get paid? Not sure.

I was just hired as an intern for the Dept. of the Navy as a Contracts Specialist. They sent me a letter telling me that they found me qualified and that they were forwarding my package to the hiring manager. A few days letter I received a call followed by a follow up email; setting a time for an interview. DO NOT DO A PHONE INTERVIEWS….make sure you show up face to face. They offered me a phone interview but I flew from California to D.C. I was told by one of the HR reps that they do not like hiring over the phone.
After the interview 4 days later I received a call indicating that I was selected and asking me if I would like to accept the position….then they gave me a few different start dates to choose.
Hope this helps….

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Rick in Cathedral City, California

28 months ago

jna115 in Port Jervis, New York said: The email actually stated is they want me I will get an email with an "offer".. What no interview? Is it because its as an intern. Do interns get paid? Not sure.

Yes Interns get paid...the intern position that I was hired for goes from GS 7 (42k)to GS 12 (76k) in 36 months...

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tgeorge in Owings Mills, Maryland

24 months ago

[Did you get in, did your investigation go through, Im nervous as well?

QUOTE who="manbesam martinez in Tampa, Florida"]Swaine, Yes Im a USMC veteran (10% disabled).

Well like you said earlier I've gotten this far by knowing somebody, a girl I went to college with put me in touch with the lady i'll hopefully be working for soon. She actually put me in touch with her back in sept. but the job itself was recently posted feb.18, closed on the 24th. I was given a tentative offer on the 2nd or 3rd of March. Shortley after the offer I was sent an email directing me to the Civilian AFPC site to fill out some pre-employment paperwork.
Since then I have spoken, at length, with my future boss on the phone about my duties and such.
Aside from selecting me for the position my FB(future boss) really has no control over the hiring process.

Im just such a worry wart, all these "what if's" keep running thru my mind.

On one hand I keep thinking that if ive made it this far than my background has already been looked into and now it's just a paper shuffle...but on the other hand i remember reading "if any suitibility issues come up this offer may withdrawn".
Would my credit be seen as a suitibility issue? Even though my job is not money related, nor does it require a security clearance?

Thanks for you feedback.

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tgeorge in Owings Mills, Maryland

24 months ago

Did you get in? I received tentative offer just checked my credit score, medical bills paid off but were late, bankruptcy 7 yrs ago,

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susan in Columbus, Georgia

17 months ago

Every single time I have applied for a job in the Federal Government and not gotten it, I lost out to either a verteran or a person who had a good connection. It was fairly easy to find out who did get the jobs and they were far less intelligient than I, less educated and gave a less than professional appearance. A friend of mine was interviewed by a guy who got a job I had applied for and couldn't believe this moron got any job, much less this one. He conducted the interview by simply reading off a sheet and reading pooly.

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gregor.ivenz@gmail.com in Honolulu, Hawaii

16 months ago

Just got a Tentative job offer to work for the Army in a GS position during a hiring freeze because the agency I interviewed has been able to prove that my job is mission essential. Just completed all of the paper work except for the physical. I have a active Confidential Security Clearance from working with the Navy and CPAC has told me that my clearance is good to go. Does anyone know how much longer it will take?

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MariaN in Bloomfield, New Jersey

13 months ago

Let me tell you I am sick and tired of the bs that goes on with the USAJobs hiring process. I have been applying for some time, finally got referred and they turned back the certifications and the job was reposted. I bet you that I'll never hear from them again even though I was referred the first time. Every time I visit a fed or state office, I say to myself "I can easily do that", screw everything up. But I would work hard. Isn't that stupid, work for a living. But this is not acceptable for USA jobs, they rather hire their own people. Nepotism anyone? The job market sucks, I've been unemployed and collecting crappy unemployment benefits. Don't get me wrong I am grateful but this USA jobs thing has to stop. It's wrong!!!!!! So many people qualify and would do such a great job but I guess that's what they don't want.

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Bluetea in Texas

13 months ago

MariaN in Bloomfield, New Jersey said: Let me tell you I am sick and tired of the bs that goes on with the USAJobs hiring process. I have been applying for some time, finally got referred and they turned back the certifications and the job was reposted. I bet you that I'll never hear from them again even though I was referred the first time. Every time I visit a fed or state office, I say to myself "I can easily do that", screw everything up. But I would work hard. Isn't that stupid, work for a living. But this is not acceptable for USA jobs, they rather hire their own people. Nepotism anyone? The job market sucks, I've been unemployed and collecting crappy unemployment benefits. Don't get me wrong I am grateful but this USA jobs thing has to stop. It's wrong!!!!!! So many people qualify and would do such a great job but I guess that's what they don't want.

USAJOBS? Are you kidding? They said on the radio once that there are over 80 million apps on file! That is some serious competition.

You either need to have a father who is a Congressman or all the luck in the world.

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MariaN in Bloomfield, New Jersey

13 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: USAJOBS? Are you kidding? They said on the radio once that there are over 80 million apps on file! That is some serious competition.

You either need to have a father who is a Congressman or all the luck in the world.

You are probably right. I can't waste my time with them any longer. It's as if they are doing you some great favor in referring you to something you'll never get. It's ridiculous. Here you are preparing this extensive resume, sending transcripts and hoping that someone can sense that you can file papers and interview people. I'm been running offices all my life, successful offices. The only reason I'm in this jobless predicament is because the economy sucks and companies can't keep up. Otherwise, I consider myself a smart business woman. I guess this is where I've gone wrong for the feds.

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