ITT - Tech Is A SCAM!!!!!!!!!! DON"T DO IT!

Stpn2me, thats the problem. people posting the "you get what you give" BS do not have a clue. The people @ 2473 Fortune Dr. are no different than Bernie Madoff, promising a satisfying payoff on your ivy league-priced educational investment. They should be jailed for the amount of fraud they've perpetrated. It's marketed like a consumer product, and once you buy the product they offer just enough attention and gimmicks to get all the loan disbursements. ITT knows people will bolt, thats why students have to sign a limited power of attorney while applying for student loans. Be very leary of someone building up ITT. Do your own research.

ITT does not mold people to be successful, but successful people have screwed up and attended.

dcplace2009 in Spokane, Washington said: I am almost certain that you did not make that income working as a line tech for a cell company...I got some ocean-front property in Arizona for sale for those who think he made that salary...Even in small print on ITTs commercials they talk about credits not transferring...unreal...

Why wouldn't he make that income? I am not even graduated from ITT yet and I have a job making 60k. Doing what I went to school to do, which is drafting. Just because your not going to a "university" doesn't mean the education is any different. IMO I feel that I am actually doing more than someone with an associates from community college. They do 4 semesters with a summer break - ITT we don't even get a summer break. We are also doing 3 - 5hr classes. ALOT more than community college.

Itt tech is a Scam said: I was an admissions advisor and I am writing this because sometimes you are going to read positive remarks from current students(All these encouraging comments are from fake students and are actually paid by ITT Tech to say bogus and phony messages) In the year I was working for ITT TECH I have only heard complaints from students.

I am working for ITT and I know what’s going on, everybody knows ITT-TECH and their fabricated information and invented reports, I am surpassed they still in the education business, they should be in the Sublime loans or any fraud and unethical business. The only concern of the management in the HQ is to increase profits and do not care about students, I believe ITT Tech soon will go down because I know about many lawsuits waiting for ITT.
Here is the main problem with this company -- they are extremely misleading and what they describe as their "Mission Statement" and what is being said and reviewed behind closed doors is the definition of hypocritical. They claim to be changing students lives (yes this is true will bleed you dry, ITT TECH is nothing but money launderers, it is a mafia) at ITT TECH You are not a student -- you are a "start number".
Absolutely, no good reasons to work for this unethical institute, most horrible management practices, bogus and fake reports and information about the company.
Who would have thought that ITT TECH can be permitted to be up and running with so many , morals complaints, ethics violations, and educational deception and hoax.
I totally agree, ITT TECH is nothing but money launderers, you are not a student you are a "start number” ITT TECH is a big MAFIA.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT! LOL I am not fake by ANY means. KNOW about what you are talking about before you go slandering a company.

Ash in Houston, Texas said: Why wouldn't he make that income? I am not even graduated from ITT yet and I have a job making 60k. Doing what I went to school to do, which is drafting. Just because your not going to a "university" doesn't mean the education is any different. IMO I feel that I am actually doing more than someone with an associates from community college. They do 4 semesters with a summer break - ITT we don't even get a summer break. We are also doing 3 - 5hr classes. A LOT more than community college.

Again, some people will succeed that go to ITT, but they don't succeed BECAUSE of ITT. Anyway, just another example of someone justifying a dumb decision, attending a school that answers only to a stock price, it's common sense people. Pay more than Penn or Cal prices for a trade school diploma (yes, they call it a 'degree') that 98% of employers don't respect!

And Ash, I know, I'm an, uh, alum (as much as it pains me to say). . .

runfastfromITT in Rainbow City, Alabama said: And Ash, I know, I'm an, uh, alum (as much as it pains me to say). . .

Im a graduate from Devry

which is worst?

hell they're all horrible

biggest waste of 2 years and money of my life

Stpn2me in Carlisle, Pennsylvania said: Sophroniscus...

CAL State? Oh really? What do you mean by "accepting"? Do you have a link, or PROOF?

250K a year? Really? Even with a BA, I find that hard to believe. Cabling? LOL. Who is going to pay someone 250K to run cable? That's an entry level job in the military that PVT's do!! LOL. Security? I know of no jobs paying 250K in security that pay that amount. Especially one that will take ITT's trade school degree. And when you say "Security", what are you talking about? That's pretty broad. That's how we know you are a fake or someone who works for ITT...

<I>I hate it when you sign up for core classes </I>

"Core" classes?? A trade school doesnt have "core" classes..LOL Why are you trying to pass off this trade school as a traditional school?
People..

DONT be fooled!

May be he's an astronaut and get's paid $250K/yr to do cabling on space station moon3 on the dark-side where it's really cold and dark and it includes hazardous duty pay because he doesn't get a space suit to work in, only an ITT t-shirt and he owns his own rocket and he gets mileage?

"YOU ARE AN IDIOT! LOL I am not fake by ANY means. KNOW about what you are talking about before you go slandering a company."

FYI...Slander implies that the accusations are untrue. As you have not asserted that you are or ever were an employee of the Company, and ITT Tech is a Scam has, we are left to believe that he/she should possess intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the Company, and has been privy to information that you, as a student would not have access to, and believe me there is plenty. Therefore, it is YOU who should KNOW of what you speak before you put pen to paper.

So BillNye your telling me that ITT informs ALL of it's employees that they pose as fake students to make their school look better? C'mon! I mean obviously that was an assumption. I am not fake and that was slander. I am not saying ITT is worth the amount of money that it costs, but he can't sit there and say that every student is uneducadable and a moron, that the students that actually do stick up for the school are fake. ITT Tech is A Scam probably got fired and is a disgruntled past employee who is bitter and has nothing better to do with his time then to talk about how horrible his last employer was. Grow up.

You seem to have gotten it wrong again, Ash, though I am not suprised.

"So BillNye your telling me that ITT informs ALL of it's employees that they pose as fake students to make their school look better?"

No, actually I was giving you the legal definition of slander....facts, not opinions, points of view, etc. I could not care less if you are fake, undercover ITT or the Queen of England, however, the fact remains that what you refer to as slander, simply is not. And, perhaps, ITT Tech is A Scam was fired from his position with the Company, however, that in itself fails to prove a reason to suddenly desire to bash the Company, as all of its employees past and present are, more than likely, extremely disgruntled. I really don't expect you to be able to comprehend the level of dishonesty and lack of integrity by which this Company operates. You may reply if you wish, though please be aware that I am no longer interested in this.......banter. Grow up? Wow, I guess you told me! You ARE an ITT Tech student after all.

I think the OP was a failed student or employee, maybe got burned for not reading some small print. An instructor would probably sound a little smarter (spelling)...

Stpn2me in Carlisle, Pennsylvania said: <I>I know of some folks who have gotten their associate degree from ITT Tech and have gone on to work for the federal government, because, it is technically a valid degree as far a hiring requirements (block check) go.</I>

No, sir, it's not a valid degree. Period. I seriously doubt anyone got a job with the requirement of a degree with the govt. You know why? Because if people with valid, regionally accredited degrees found out, they would have a case for arbitration, and the govt doesnt want that. I'm not saying they couldnt get a job, just not one with a requirement of a degree.

It is a valid degree, otherwise, they would not be accredited by the Department of Education. You can go on website for the state of North Carolina, and this is the only requirement in order to apply for a position with the state...NOT a regional accreditation.

luvbnamommy in Mocksville, North Carolina said: It is a valid degree, otherwise, they would not be accredited by the Department of Education. You can go on website for the state of North Carolina, and this is the only requirement in order to apply for a position with the state...NOT a regional accreditation.

Dont fool yourself, luvbnamommy...

Go to WSSU or to A&T and see if they will accept credits from a trade school like ITT. Go ahead. I am from that area too. I know you know the schools. I would hate for you to go against someone with a valid degree and lose out because you have a trade school degree.
Know what? I am now in a course at New Horizons learning SharePoint admin. I looked into the basic network Administration class next door (Microsoft server, etc)...Know who I saw in that class? packed full of older folks, going to get the cert for the MCP. Know what that means? Everyone and their momma is trying to be a level 1 administrator. That means the market is going to saturated with people just like YOU trying to get entry level jobs. And if they have degrees from regionally accreditated schools, guess who they are NOT going to hire? Yep, that's right, YOU with a degree from ITT. ITT does NOT have a master's program. It's a trade school. The degree cannot get you into higher jobs where the need is.

The degree isnt valid. And the tech market in the triad area isnt that good. luvbnamommy, you seem like a nice person, and I surely dont want someone from my home doing something stupid. Go to Guilford Tech or to Forsyth Tech if you must. Run from ITT. It's not worth it...

And Again luvbnamommy,

Why would you pay for a degree that costs more than one from WAKE FOREST???? It doesnt make sense!! If you go against someone with a computer science degree from Wake Forest and you have a "degree" from ITT, who do you think will get the job???

Hint: IT WONT BE YOU!!

ok, ok, I see the ITT scam now, completely useless associates degrees based on class syllabus that no employers want to recognize and no traditional schools want to accept. Degrees that aren't regionally accredited. So what do I do now? I am halfway through my first quarter of an IT degree and contracts signed, grants and student loans secured. I want to bail out now and start attending my local community college before I am stuck with some useless degree and a mountain of student loan debt. Will my grants and student loans simply transfer to my new school or am I going to lose financial aid in the process? I already understand that ITT will charge me for my classes up to now, how much I don't know yet, but any amount is going to have to be worth getting out now. Can anyone help me understand what I need to do and what is going to happen when I do it? Thanks People.

confusedinutah in Salt Lake City, Utah said: ok, ok, I see the ITT scam now, completely useless associates degrees based on class syllabus that no employers want to recognize and no traditional schools want to accept. Degrees that aren't regionally accredited. So what do I do now? I am halfway through my first quarter of an IT degree and contracts signed, grants and student loans secured. I want to bail out now and start attending my local community college before I am stuck with some useless degree and a mountain of student loan debt. Will my grants and student loans simply transfer to my new school or am I going to lose financial aid in the process? I already understand that ITT will charge me for my classes up to now, how much I don't know yet, but any amount is going to have to be worth getting out now. Can anyone help me understand what I need to do and what is going to happen when I do it? Thanks People.

uhm drop out now take the school off your fafsa list also for your financial aid, don't let them do anything sneaky and sign you up for classes without you knowing, that's what happened to someone i know

i would try to apply for the upcoming semester for your fafsa or try going part time to the cc if you can afford it, since it maybe too late to apply for financial aid, you can try though

so drop out now who cares if your halfway through your quarter, they may hit you with a fee for quitting .......ugh such a crappy school........at least you found out now

To the defenders of this school, common sense should tell you that regardless of YOUR experiences, and YOUR high paying jobs that you secured with your degree from this school, thousands of other people did not share the same "wonderful" experiences as you and I tried to find another school with this many complaints and none even come close. SOMETHING is wrong with this school, it isn't some kind of smear campaign that alot of you defenders try and make it out to be, why are you guys even posting on this forum anyway? what brought you here? (aside from the Itt-tech personel who are required to post positive things), WHY ARE YOU HERE? Your wonderful experiences cannot change the fact that THOUSANDS of people are disgruntled. Nothing wrong with a little debate but please acknowledge if your going to defend that all these people aren't posting because they have nothing better to do and are a part of some deeper, sinister, plot against ITT. CHECK THEIR FACTS at what they are saying, they cannot be denied or reasonably defended. I think Stpn2me is completely right when he posted a couple of months ago, "THESE ARE FACTS". I think we should stop arguing with the defenders and figure out what we can do about this. I know I need some suggestions from my earlier post.

thank you James in Chalfont, Pennsylvania

Well, I was instructed to download Microsoft Office from our student portal because of course my first quarter class is going to teach me all about Office to prepare me for the work ahead. It's Microsoft Office 2003. Not 10, Not even 07, 2003. 40,000 effin dollars and I'm being prepared to hit the workforce with Office 2003. I'm terribly ashamed.

confusedinutah in Salt Lake City, Utah said: Well, I was instructed to download Microsoft Office from our student portal because of course my first quarter class is going to teach me all about Office to prepare me for the work ahead. It's Microsoft Office 2003. Not 10, Not even 07, 2003. 40,000 effin dollars and I'm being prepared to hit the workforce with Office 2003. I'm terribly ashamed.

lol that shows you how stupid and antiquated they are, also im sure they're trying to be even more cheap so they don't have to pay new licensing fees for office 2010, I do feel sorry for all the suckers brought in by them

i'ts not your fault, I didn't do my research and was sucked in to........now i had to start all over like you at a cc college, now i got my associates, im transferring to a real brick and mortar university

I am up this morning on my way to register with a community college and pull the plug on my ITT-Tech experience. The Office 2003 thing was more than my logical brain can take. Well this is my last post since I am done with that lame ass school, I hope other disgruntled ITT members will heed the warnings of all the smart people who have posted on this thread and get out now before we read about your nightmare sometime down the road. good luck and thanks everyone.

James in Chalfont, Pennsylvania said: uhm drop out now take the school off your fafsa list also for your financial aid, don't let them do anything sneaky and sign you up for classes without you knowing, that's what happened to someone i know

i would try to apply for the upcoming semester for your fafsa or try going part time to the cc if you can afford it, since it maybe too late to apply for financial aid, you can try though

so drop out now who cares if your halfway through your quarter, they may hit you with a fee for quitting .......ugh such a crappy school........at least you found out now

Be careful dropping half-way through the quarter. Once your finacial aid loans half gone through you have already paid the money to the school, the school will have to return the money to the government and then your going to owe ITT like 7K. If it's past a certain time in the quarter the school doesn't have to give the money back and then the government will put you on financial aid suspension. You will then have to pay out of pocket to the junior college or university that your going to attend. I would just stick it out through the quarter and not drop it. It will be what seems like a pointless 12 weeks but it will def. help you financially. I know from experiance.

Let me make myself clear. Everyone,

If your goal is level 1 teir networking, ITT may be a right fit for you. ITT is a TRADE school. Much like plumbing, much like electrition, much like hairsylist. But you cannot look at this school like it is a full time curriculm granting institution. The "degree" you get from them is only such in name only. No respected school is going to accept your credits for transfer. THAT IS FACT. No matter what anyone else tells you. This school isnt meant to be spoken of in the same breath as other degree granting school. It's a VOCATIONAL school, not a matriculating one. They are praying on you because of the bad economy. PLUS, IT COSTS TOO MUCH. I just finished my master's at a good school, Webster's University. My B.A. in Business and my Master's in IT Management has cost me about $30K. What does an associates cost at ITT? THESE ARE FACTS PEOPLE.

Then, look at what they ar training you for. Entry level IT is satuarated. Alot of people are trying to do it now. I just took a SharePoint admin's course. The entry level 2008 Server's course across the hall was PACKED. Packed with older people trying to switch careers. Helpdesk work is no longer what it used to be. Actually, ITT is geared to helpdesk work, because that is probably the only type job you can get with the degree. But you have to understand, everyone else is also going for those jobs. And if you are up against someone with a degree from MIT, you are going to lose. If you are up against someone with a degree from a state supported school, you will lose everytime. Employers arent stupid. They know about ITT. They know how their grads perform. And that's another thing. If every student around you looks like a thug....Well....

Do the right thing, go to a good school and work hard. If you want the easy way out, go to ITT and pray a job is ignorant to the school and it's reputation...

Ok... i want to first say that i am currently a student at ITT Tech and i would have to disagree with anyone that wanted to say that its a scam.. ITT is not s scam.. All professors at ITT don't just get hired on their looks.. All of my professors not only have experience working in they field their teaching but also have college knowledge bout that topic.. My Paralegal professor is an actual attorney that owns his own firm in west VA. Also he has military experience, winning cases that went to trail, and so much more.. And i can keep going..

The tuition for this school is high no doubt about it but just think bout it.. ok you have teachers to pay, bills to keep the school running, all the books are included, everything else you would need is included, plus all the computers that they have to teach on.. there is alot that goes into a tuition that we don't truly think about..

The community colleges around here, the tuition might be cheaper but the tuition does not cover your text books or anything you would need to study.. and do you know that those books are more than 100 dollars just for one book.. so if you think about it it would basically be (at the end of the studding that you need for what your career in) pretty high as well.. community colleges also go by sim. and you have to sign up for a new course when its over and hope that your wait don't take that long.. Plus Community college don't have scholarships and different organizations that you can attend and that will make your resume look amazing.. just sayin

So in conclusion ITT is not a scam.. If your not getting hired look at what you can do different.. look at what you can do to make your resume more impressive to the employers.. I love the school i am going to. Im learning a lot and getting great experience and so much more... So yea..

kind of amusing

let me point out some red flags........... a so called technical school im assuming geared towards technology

but yet you have a professor who is in the paralegal field.............and how is this related to teaching technology oh yeah

also, note your spelling mistakes, don't they teach you proper grammar and spelling? ........it must be a good school if your still writing at that level

anyway, most people if you're smart don't listen to "amber" do your homework and look at all the horrible reviews for schools like this

oh and im going to a traditional brick and mortar school in the fall not one of these bogus fraudulent schools

Kind of funny James..... Yea the reason y my spelling is off is cuz of being extreamly tired.... Im pretty sure you do it as well... And Itt is not just a tech skool anymore if you do the research you would have sawl tbat alot more Itt schools are adding more than just computer careers... Theres a lot that you just dont know but you think you do... Just think bout it... If Itt was so what you say bogus then why are there so many of them across the nation and more of them are being built... Just sayin...

kirk watson in Noblesville, Indiana said: this guy has no clue

not only did i get interviews for cia they came to school to recruit. so much for his story

i now work for verizon as a switch tech working on fiber optics, gtd-5's,dms-100's, 5ess, dco's, dms-10's, i work on ss7, fiber transports from t1's oc48,s oc12,s..
now we are expanding fiber to home with fios'
last yr i made 69,000
so tell me again how bad this school is

Tell me about it, this guy doesnt know crap. He is just another irate student who dropped out becasue he didnt like the math classes or something.

Listen I graduated in sept. '09 and I got a job at Lockheed martin in the same year doing something in my major. I was RF testing satellites for the Navy at LMCO. And I was testing 3rd generation GPS satellites there as well. But being as it was a governmet funded contract I was laid off. 2 weeks went by and I got an offer from an other company to work for them, and guess what I was doing; I was RF testing/troubleshooting proto-types for the U.S. Air Force! I was working on a missile defense system for F-18 Hornets! And if that wasn't enough another place gave me a offer for more money so I took it, it was commerical so I felt it was more safer in this economy. The plot of my story isnt to brag but to let you people know that ITT is not a scam. I learned so much, in fact ( and this is a real fact) an ass. from ITT is as good as an ASS. from a state college + 2 years exp. ITT is the only college Lockheed Martin recruits from, so tell me, how is that a crappy school. And as for the books, of course they will be a joke if you cant read!! The books were perfect for the subjects we were learning. I am making very good money right now, I am not working out in the heat/cold breaking my back, I make my own decisions, working first shift, eligable for raises and bonuses, and all around happy, alot happier then I would be if I didnt go to ITT.

Jmoore27 in Levittown, Pennsylvania said: Tell me about it, this guy doesnt know crap. He is just another irate student who dropped out becasue he didnt like the math classes or something.

Listen I graduated in sept. '09 and I got a job at Lockheed martin in the same year doing something in my major. I was RF testing satellites for the Navy at LMCO. And I was testing 3rd generation GPS satellites there as well. But being as it was a governmet funded contract I was laid off. 2 weeks went by and I got an offer from an other company to work for them, and guess what I was doing; I was RF testing/troubleshooting proto-types for the U.S. Air Force! I was working on a missile defense system for F-18 Hornets! And if that wasn't enough another place gave me a offer for more money so I took it, it was commerical so I felt it was more safer in this economy. The plot of my story isnt to brag but to let you people know that ITT is not a scam. I learned so much, in fact ( and this is a real fact) an ass. from ITT is as good as an ASS. from a state college + 2 years exp. ITT is the only college Lockheed Martin recruits from, so tell me, how is that a crappy school. And as for the books, of course they will be a joke if you cant read!! The books were perfect for the subjects we were learning. I am making very good money right now, I am not working out in the heat/cold breaking my back, I make my own decisions, working first shift, eligable for raises and bonuses, and all around happy, alot happier then I would be if I didnt go to ITT.

Oh did I forget to mention that I build and play with LASERS now!!!! How cool is that!!!!!!!

haha what a joke how much are they paying you to write this nonsense

fact itt tech is a for profit school

meaning they mainly care about .............students? NO money!

once they get you into the door they could care less about you...........oh only if you have loans and grants etc to pay with

google itt scams itt ripoff im sure all of those people can't be wrong

they teach with antiquated equipment and windows 2003? in 2011? why?

and an AS from ITT is as good or better then a state college? HAHA tell that to recruiters

go to a community college first everyone then transfer to a 4 year college like I did

there's a reason the government is threatening to stop funding these for profit schools, there job prospects are a joke for a large segment of people, im glad they finally caught on to these stupid schools

This is an earlier post but I felt the need to post it again so listen...I'm a grad of ITT, 3.8 GPA, and am TWENTY-SIX GRAND IN DEBT.

Attending ITT will cost you for the rest of your life. $40,000 in loans and grants is a lot of debt. Grants will serve you MUCH better at a CC for an associates degree (and it'll cover the entire expense too). Then if you want your BS, pick a good public university. They offer the same courses of study PLUS employers won't laugh at you for having a worthless degree. PLEASE READ ON...

My graduating class was 82 people, NOT ONE...ZERO OF THE GRADS OF THE "COMPUTER NETWORKING" CLASS WERE HIRED IN THAT FIELD (THIS WAS MY AREA OF STUDY, BY THE WAY), AND THE NETWORKING CLASS HAD 56 STUDENTS.

My Community college wouldn't even accept any gen ed credits from ITT! $22, 000 in debt, earning nowhere near average for t2 network eng. (was also told they had a 98% success rate placing grads in their field of study, HA!!). As for job placement, there was a stack of BIRMINGHAM EMPLOYMENT WEEKLY. . .

Even if you choose to ignore the MILLIONS of negative posts about ITT, you can't ignore the fact that the tuition is more than quadruple the cost of a CC. Still don't get it: It costs A LOT MORE to get a AS from ITT than it does to get a BS from a university! NO other institution accepts credit hrs earned @ ITT. Not so w/any public university or college. As about their turnover rate for instructors? Why would you thin they go through soo many instructors?

Please use your heads, I'm not here to complain but rather to inject a bit of realty. Don't listen to anyone, including me. Do a little research then breath a huge sigh of relief for steering clear of a terrible decision!

Good Luck

Whoa!

All the ITT plants have come out in force today! LOL...

Ok "Jmore27" in Levittown...

Lets take this point by point...

"This" guy doesnt know crap? What "guy"? Me? Know what your post is? Sounds like a form response you post quite a bit.

RF "testing"? I wonder if you know how people who are in the IT industry are lauging our asses off when someone like you posts this. Do you realize how you sound? I highly doubt there is any job "testing" Radio Freqs. Companies have computer's for that. No one is hiring anyone to "test" Radio waves or "3rd Gen" orbital Satellites. Or did you mean orbital. Or did you mean earth bound satellites? You seemed to imply you were talking about Orbital Sats. Rest assured, no one with a Associates Degree from a trade school is going to get anywhere NEAR the frequencies that control ANYTHING in orbit, much less be able to control something like that. Hell, I doubt anyone with less than a Master's in physics or Computer Science from a matriculating school is even in the CONTROL ROOM! Working on prototypes for the Navy??? LOL.....The only people ALLOWED around sensitive prototypes are ENGINEERS, not someone from a TRADE SCHOOL, just out of said TRADE SCHOOL, only trained in THE BARE BASICS of computer networking or radio disipline. And dont get me started on the LASERS crap!!! The only people working on lasers are Engineers at universities. Period. Not right out of trade school, tier 1, operators. And dont tell me the Navy is doing work on Lasers. The Navy doesnt do high level work like that on it's own. Do you know who the Navy does this kind of work with? UNIVERSITIES. Not ITT. Degree granting universities with established engineering departments! So if you were "playing with lasers" ROTFLMAO, you would have have to HAVE MENTIONED THE UNIVERSITY YOU WERE DOING IT AT! Cmon people!

One thing I will say. A "Degree" from ITT may be just as good as a community college for doing entry level work. That's what it's for.

<I>ITT is the only college Lockheed Martin recruits from</I>

LOL. I have a rep right beside me right now from Lockheed Martin and they are laughing their asses off. Why would you tell such a lie? First of all, ITT doesnt go past the "Bachelors" LOL level and Lockheed Martin needs graduate level engineers. Where are they going to get them? ITT? LOL..... LOL

And finally, LOL....!!!!

<I>Oh did I forget to mention that I build and play with LASERS now!!!! How cool is that!!!!!!!</I>

1st of all, professionals who "work with lasers" dont talk this way. You sound like you are talking to a thug or a kid, wild eyed and thinking that after two years he will be "playing with lasers" with a degree from ITT. I feel I may have lost a few IQ points just talking about this. Isnt going to happen guys..THINK.

I cant get over this. Working with LASERS? WTF?

Ok, even if you would WANT to go to ITT. Working with Lasers. To even be trained on any "Laser", you would first have to have the generator to produce the "laser". Who do you think has that? And I am not talking about a pen laser most ITT students point at aircraft, I am talking about a research quality, atom smashing, Photon-crushing LASER. Who do you think has that? That's right, UNIVERSITIES. So how is someone even learning to do this going to ITT? It's already been established that ITT's credits are ignored by the repected academic community. Do you think MIT is going to let ITT students into their multi million dollar lab with their atom smasher to do joint research? LOL. See how stupid this sounds? We have seen that students even this year, in 2011, were given Office 2003 to train on!

Think people. If something seems wrong, it probably is...

Stpn2me in Carlisle, Pennsylvania said: <I>ITT is the only college Lockheed Martin recruits from</I>

LOL. I have a rep right beside me right now from Lockheed Martin and they are laughing their asses off. Why would you tell such a lie? First of all, ITT doesnt go past the "Bachelors" LOL level and Lockheed Martin needs graduate level engineers. Where are they going to get them? ITT? LOL..... LOL

And finally, LOL....!!!!

WOW!! I don't normally comment on funny, but that's a great post. You got me laughing with that. I didn't think the Lockheed Martin comment was legit; you made the point well. LOL!!

Ok "Amber",

Here are the FACTS:

ITT credits are NOT accepted by the academic community with regional accredidation. FACT

ITT costs AT LEAST twice to three times what a community college costs for an AA and almost three times what a normal college costs for a Bachelors. FACT

ITT "degrees" only prepare students for entry level jobs in basic IT, drafting or other trades. FACT

ITT's is handing out outdated materials on which they are training their students. FACT

ITT's credits WILL NOT TRANSFER to degree granting institutions accredited by regional institutions. FACT

ITT is a trade school. FACT

If ANYONE from ITT can dispute these facts, I invite your scholarly response..

To those thinking about going to ITT, if you can stomach these facts, then go to ITT.

Yes, ITT_instructor,

As I have said before, ITT has it's place. ITT is for people who cannot compete in the normal academic arena. It's for people who just want to change backup tapes, create basic webpages and basic drafting. People who are in the know understand that's about as far as this "degree" will take someone. It's the fraud the company is doing making vunerable young kids think they will be working in some of the most high tech areas that's the problem. They wont be "working with lasers" LOL...

Plus, the money aspect is so troubling. I just finished my master's IT management. I am about 25K in debt. A bachelors from ITT puts people 40k-50K in debt. That is criminal.

But hey guys...

Yall go ahead to ITT. You may even get the change or reset the email password of a few physicists who are actually working on LASERS! ROTFLMAO!

Stpn2me in Carlisle, Pennsylvania said: Yes, ITT_instructor,

As I have said before, ITT has it's place. ITT is for people who cannot compete in the normal academic arena. It's for people who just want to change backup tapes, create basic webpages and basic drafting. People who are in the know understand that's about as far as this "degree" will take someone. It's the fraud the company is doing making vunerable young kids think they will be working in some of the most high tech areas that's the problem. They wont be "working with lasers" LOL...

Plus, the money aspect is so troubling. I just finished my master's IT management. I am about 25K in debt. A bachelors from ITT puts people 40k-50K in debt. That is criminal.

I totally agree. Although my title is ITT_instructor, I am a former instructor (left after one year). My experience was an eye-opener. All of the following were evident:

-- students were numbers
-- there was a lack of quality with the classes and scheduling
-- a vast majority of the students were not there to learn (it seemed) but rather 'get a degree' and get the job ITT Tech 'promised' them
-- instructors were mostly baby-sitters; we had to make phone calls after the first hour of the class to find out why students were not in class and try to coax them into showing up
-- instructors were rated by the overall attendance and how the students perceived the class (did they like it, enjoy the instructor, etc)
-- students were paying about $45,000.00 for an associates degree and over $80,000.00 for a bachelor degree

So, as you and others have pointed out, it's very expensive, not that great, and very few of the overall student population will be doing very well if they only rely on their ITT as their only means of qualifying for employment.

(I used to be with ITT Tech, but moved one after a year) I am familiar with the following due to having had to provide input to fellow workers and friends seeking to further their education. Needless to say I DO NOT recommend ITT Tech as an option.

> ITT credits are NOT accepted by the academic community with regional accredidation. FACT
>> Actually that is not accurate. True, the ITT Tech is nationally accredited and most traditional regionally accredited institutions will not accept them. What has occurred over the past several years is that some for-profit 'universities' have sought out and received regional accreditation. Then, they accept ITT credits and get students into their system and continue with the over-priced classes, etc. It's still the same quality (not very good), but the for-profit system can continue getting federal funds for the students they enroll.

> ITT's credits WILL NOT TRANSFER to degree granting institutions accredited by regional institutions. FACT
>> As I provided previously, that is incorrect. It used to be that way; however, there are for-profit institutions which are regionally and nationally accredited (eg..Kaplan University) which will accept them. I did have a few students mention to me that DeVry University also accepted the ITT Tech credits for transfer (DeVry is also a for-profit institution).

I know of very few students who have been able to land quality IT jobs after finishing their degrees at ITT Tech. Even the students that I consider 'excellent' have had problems. This is because, in part, ITT Tech students have gained a reputation for not being able to get into any other university, so they had to go to ITT Tech.
I know of no quality institutions which have to entice students to attend by offering pizza parties in class for two weeks of perfect attendance, free popcorn in the break area, ice cream treats in the lobby during breaks, etc.

Itt_instructor,

I stand corrected then. But we can agree that most regionally accredited schools will not accept their credits. 80K for a BA? Wow...

80K for a Bachelors? Is anyone hearing this? 80K??? I'm in debt almost 30K for degrees totalling a MASTER's. And they are from Private Universities! That alone should scare most people. And you cant wish away student loan debt. It isnt discharged in bankrupcies. It doesnt just go away. It's almost criminal what these people are doing...

I dont think a BA from HARVARD costs that much! LOL...

No problem here...your points were right on the mark overall....I wouldn't have known it, or just about believed it myself, had I not witnessed it. And then I got to thinking and digging a little deeper...it's a really big business and there is a lot of money to be made...Too bad all that money and our taxes go to shams like that.

I've taught at many post-secondary institutions in my career, and never have I seen an institution make such grandiose promises that was in worse position to fulfull them than at ITT Tech. I taught for years at an accredited Research 1 institution, an accredited lower-tier research institution, a two-year junior college, and a for-profit school. While I was able to see strengths in nearly every institution at which I've taught, I cannot think of a single benefit ITT Tech offers its students. I walked off the job after three weeks when the dean of my department--that is, my boss--pulled me aside and told me that students taking my writing class were "doing too much writing" (I had already pared my course down to a slim skeleton of what it was at the other institutions, but this was evidently still too much). I was told that, above all, student retention was the highest priority in the department and that I ought to adjust the course's academic standards to help students who simply chose not to work in my class. It was, in short, a very unhealthy and intellectually deadening environment.

Aside from my in-class problems, basically all of the warnings listed above are true:
(1) Truly worthless degree
(2) WAY too expensive
(3) Corrupt (I regularly saw unethical recruitment methods first hand) and operated by board members who receive a disturbingly large slice of the pie for, essentially, duping you into receiving a subpar education

I've basically just said what everyone else has said: you will be told LIES about your future. Please do not believe them. If you are an adult learner returning to school or if you feel you might have trouble keeping up with the pace of a research university, please investigate your local community college: transferable credits, real intellectual growth, and reasonable tuition. Please see PBS Frontline's investigation of for-profit colleges before deciding: video.pbs.org/video/

Scurti30,

Awesome post. I can tell you are correct in your assessment. So refreshing to listen to someone who is an actual teacher on the collegiate level. Thanks...

I taught for ITT Tech for two years and seven months and was forced to leave after writing my own economics final. And for that "sin" I was shown the door, escorted out as if I had been a criminal.

At least I didn't have sex with a student, as one of my 'colleagues' did, or party with the students as several others did. At least when I wrote my final, which was used merely as an excuse to get rid of me, I stood tall like a man, didn't drop a tear and rarely looked back. It took me a month to get another teaching job.

I ended up writing up something like 11 pages of what I knew about ITT Tech and sent them to various news agencies, local politicians and even the commission with allegedly regulates these academic frauds. I urge you as a former instructor to do the same thing, but ultimately it's up to you.

kirk watson in Noblesville, Indiana said: who are you to question me

i have no reason to lie
and you are showing that you dont know what your talking about base pay for a central office tech is 54000 a yr with out overtime
look it up can you say verizon

I am new here and I am attending ITT Tech in Liverpool and I was reading the comments pertaining to the ITT Tech schools. I don't want to disagree with you, or anything, but I have to let you know that that don't happen for everyone whom attend that college. I have had the worst experience so far and they are not working with me with the hours that I need to work at the job I have been offered at certain hours that is also at the same time as the classes that I have to attend now. What would you say to that?

James in Chalfont, Pennsylvania said: brickceo: im guessing your work for ITT and browse post pertaining to ITT tech to make it sound like a positive experience

your beginning line is very familiar to alot of other positive posts relating to your type of schools

Im guessing you simply copy and paste your answer

anyway no one listen to brickceo@msn.com

he's obviously being paid.............EVERYONE read the positive posts about these type of for profit schools

and see how familiar they all sound..........fishy eh

sorry

ITT tech credits don't transfer to regular schools
gee I wonder why

there job placement is a joke........have fun doing customer service work and nothing related to your degree

they are FOR profit unlike traditional state schools.........they mainly care about profits and money and there shareholders

www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/collegeinc/view/

pretty good documentary on these types of schools from an independent source..........watch it

don't blame me if you go to these schools I warned you.

REALLY?
So anyone who does not whine and moan about the weak school we went to is an employee? PLEASE I graduated in '97 EET, and '08 CDD, both with honors and the only reason I went back was the fact that SDSU, UCSD, had a waiting list of over 16 months and my funding had an expiration date. the EET degree was exactly like you stated not a single classmate found employment. As a result I was refunded again with a extremely restrictive time frame, and the wait time on the real schools was now 2 years. My thought was to utilize the school books and equipment and teach myself what I needed and wanted to learn. I spoke with employers, HR pros, and people actually doing what I wanted to do, (Design) and found out exactly what skills I would need to pursue this career. Armed with that knowledge I created my own curriculum. I stuck to my plan and easily aced all of my assignments and tests.

Aced all assigned tasks without studying and in most of the classes I knew more than the instructors. I would not recommend ITT to anyone who is not personally motivate, or anyone having to pay their own tuition, or planning to rely on a degree, or anyone with hair or anyone who is bald; other than it a good choice. But seriously talk to most of the top hackers, IT and programming pros and most of them are basically self taught and pursued degrees only because most HR pros want to see it on their resumes.

lol not that hard to ace a course when the instructors pretty much give you As no matter what the assignment

oh yeah open book tests ? great .............great way to learn

sorry you don't have to be motivated

all you need is a pulse and financial aid

they will give you all A's

and HR will throw out resumes with for profit schools like this on there resume

stay delusional