The ITT Scam-Buyer Beware!

Unfortunately, they didn't teach you to write in complete sentences and use correct grammar which deeply saddens me as you would be required to learn these things at any other institution.

However, as I mentioned previously, some people will luck out doing anything. Think about it. People who don't attend college can get jobs making more money then people that have their bachelor's or master's degrees. Sometimes it happens. The point is that it does not happen often. You are very fortunate to have had this experience. The case is that many people who attend ITT are not experiencing the same luck.

I have friends that graduated from universities and they can't find jobs either. I realize the school is not meant for some people, but if you have a full-time job and you need a school that can work around your schedule forget about going to a university. ITT works with you more on a individual basis and has smaller classes that is one of the reasons it is more expensive. I graduated there 5 years ago with and AS degree in CADD and everyone in my program got jobs without even having to look for them. The CADD program is rated one of the best in the nation and employer will continue to hire ITT Tech grads.

I am simply a friend of many graduates from the institution, twenty to be precise. All twenty of those have had no luck seeking jobs with a variety of degrees from ITT. The job placement department has been no help to them and does not attempt to be of assistance. They get periodic job placement information for jobs that start off paying $8-9 an hour, but these are all they get and are insufficient to be called helpful.
I am not sure about accreditation. True, it is hard to get accreditation which is a majority of the reason why it is so important to jobs seeking potential employees and four year schools regarding transfers.
They fact that four year schools are not good for everyone is very correct. Not everyone can handle four year institutions. Of the graduates that I know, five were in this position. It simply isn’t possible for everyone, and you are correct in that. The dead end aspect of for profit schools is seen mainly in the fact that they are, in the end, for profit. They are not for educating individuals at prices students can afford and have never been. They strive to take as many short cuts through the education system as they can. That is how they accrue profit. They have had a variety of lawsuits filed against them. In particular, I am reminded of a lawsuit back in 2005 when ITT was charged with inflating students GPAs so that they could falsely receive state grant money. The prices to go to ITT are astronomical in the scope of things. This is, perhaps, why the school stooped to inflating GPAs so that students could receive even more grant money than they were entitled to. See the link below for exact information on the lawsuit:
www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/10/18/itt
Altogether, my friends made a foolish choice to go to ITT. They didn’t research it properly, or they could have avoided massive debt. One close friend has an associates degree in Computer Networking that he is paying $40,000 in loans for. The cost of a similar degree as

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The cost of a similar degree as a two year community college would have been significantly lower. That was his mistake. The reason I am posting here is to encourage other people considering ITT as a school choice to do their research. The negative impact I have seen in the lives of many people because of this school fills me with an understandable amount of anger and despair. I hate to think that at this moment many other people are pursuing the same route.
While I cannot attest to the benefits/disadvantages to working at ITT, I encourage you to research it thoroughly. The pay may be sufficient, but I would suggest seeking information on the students that graduate from the institution if that is an important factor in your decision. I would also encourage you to seek your information through non-ITT sources as they can often be biased as can extremely anti-ITT websites. I am not in any way, shape, or form saying that the teachers at ITT are incompetent or that the students who attend are. A majority may be sincerely hard-working, diligent individuals. The problem arises when you take an ITT education into the work field. Most certainly, we are living in difficult economic times, but adding outstanding debt to that situation never helps anyone. A two year community college can suit the needs of its working, adult students without adding excessive debt to their lives after graduation. It may take longer, but in the end, it is worth saving a significant amount of money.
Also, I am sorry for misspelling apology and doctorate. I will start running my posts through spell check. I simply meant to encourage individuals that neglect to use any sort of punctuation to add it because their ramblings run together and are unintelligible without it. You are correct. This is a problem that is seen in many graduates of a variety of institutions.

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Sadly, he was attempting to make himself appear a successful, intelligent graduate of ITT, but failed to make this point with his own lack of sentence structure.
Also, forgive this response for being bulky. The forum will not let me put spaces between the paragraphs when I copy my response from Word.

REP207 in Nashville, Tennessee said: And continued:
The cost of a similar degree as a two year community college would have been significantly lower. That was his mistake. The reason I am posting here is to encourage other people considering ITT as a school choice to do their research. The negative impact I have seen in the lives of many people because of this school fills me with an understandable amount of anger and despair. I hate to think that at this moment many other people are pursuing the same route.
While I cannot attest to the benefits/disadvantages to working at ITT, I encourage you to research it thoroughly. The pay may be sufficient, but I would suggest seeking information on the students that graduate from the institution if that is an important factor in your decision. I would also encourage you to seek your information through non-ITT sources as they can often be biased as can extremely anti-ITT websites. I am not in any way, shape, or form saying that the teachers at ITT are incompetent or that the students who attend are. A majority may be sincerely hard-working, diligent individuals. The problem arises when you take an ITT education into the work field. Most certainly, we are living in difficult economic times, but adding outstanding debt to that situation never helps anyone. A two year community college can suit the needs of its working, adult students without adding excessive debt to their lives after graduation. It may take longer, but in the end, it is worth saving a significant amount of money.
Also, I am sorry for misspelling apology and doctorate. I will start running my posts through spell check. I simply meant to encourage individuals that neglect to use any sort of punctuation to add it because their ramblings run together and are unintelligible without it. You are correct. This is a problem that is seen in many graduates of a variety of institutions.

Quit making excuses for yourself and have a positive attitude.

I think it's hilarious you find my comments as making an excuse for myself, especially considering that I didn't attend ITT nor am in the technical field. These posts have been from a third person view of affected individuals. As for making poor choices, my friends did do that. They deeply regret these choices, and I hope that one day they will have the money to go back to a different school and pursue valuable alternatives. This has nothing to do with a positive attitude or not. I am positive that one day they shall rise above this, however, them having to struggle to rise above their circumstances is, in part, due to ITT.

Toi in Phoenix, Arizona said: And what exactly do you say to the thousands upon thousands of ITT Tech graduates over the years who have CAREERS in jobs they love and make more than they ever would have without that education?

1) Where to start...what should be number one? Okay, Employers don't decide that your degree is a degree or not. The U. S. Department of Education establish the criteria for which a degree is granted and it is not the SCHOOL itself that simply decides that it is degree granting!

2) There are two types of accreditation...National and Regional. It is true that frequently National acc. credits aren't tranferable to a Regional acc. environment however the reason is simple and reasonable. ITT Tech specializes in 'HANDS-ON' EDUCATION. IT IS NOT THERE TO PROVIDE FLUFFY EDUCATION THAT IS MERELY THEORY BASED! THEY PROVIDE A 'SKILL-SET'.

Im a student at itt currently...in 2 yrs I have had 1 "hands on" class..this place is a joke.You have people with 3.0 gpa and higher and dont do a lick of work.I was in the bac program but after finding this out I quickly changed to the assoc.Im in the criminal justice field and just found out yesterday that Memphis nor the 5 surrounding suburbs will see this degree as being a "real"one. So I can join the Memphis Police dept.but Im not able to recieve a higher salary because is not a credible degree,I guess the recruiter forgot tht part.Are u kidding me, making more money is the ONLY reason for coming back to school. So, the only way I will have a leg up on the other guys going out for the same job as me will be only if they have NO classes or experience at all.And since the credits nor degree will transfer I will have to start over.I feel like I have been fooled,mislead and burned. when I asked the recruiter what national accred. means all he said was tht means they r recognized nationally. I feel that I didnt at all get the whole truth And just a side-point.they r traded on the NYSE.if tht tells u anyt

kirk watson in Noblesville, Indiana said: this guy has no clue

not only did i get interviews for cia they came to school to recruit. so much for his story

i now work for verizon as a switch tech working on fiber optics, gtd-5's,dms-100's, 5ess, dco's, dms-10's, i work on ss7, fiber transports from t1's oc48,s oc12,s..
now we are expanding fiber to home with fios'
last yr i made 69,000
so tell me again how bad this school is

the cia comes here to recruit...but u dont have to have a degree to work there...

I agree with Rep about ITT. I have my Bachelors and Masters from a regionally accrediated school in Louisiana (Northwestern State University). However, my wife got her A.S. from ITT in CADD from ITT in Austin, Texas, while I was in the Army stationed at Ft. Hood. I begged her not to go to ITT, due to acceditation. There is a community college in Austin (Austin Community College) which is regionally accediated that has the A.S. in CADD. I begged her to go there, due to price and accreditation, but she choose ITT.ITT was a huge mistake! Her professor did not even have a college degree himself. He just had work experience. What kind of professor has no college degree, but work experience. The school promised to find her a job when she graduated. Yeah, well they did find her a job. That part was true, however, they didnt tell her that the company was about to go bankrupt and they were just looking for someone to fill in until it officially closed. In February 2009, she lost her job as a result of the closure of the company. Since, that time she has applied to numerous jobs and has been turned down. She has a job now (daycare worker), but who needs to go to ITT for that. Also, the degree cost her $40,000 for it. I got my masters and it only cost me $25,000 from start to finish (6 years). Oh and by the way, I work for a school and in the Army-R. I will say that it is true, there are people who graduate from college who have grammar issues (I do myself), but I was told once, what is the difference from a college graduate and a technical grad (ITT)? The difference is a college graduate learns a little about everything, a technical graduate only learns their job. Learning more about different areas open up many different doors. And as far as the idiot who keeps bringing up the CIA thing. Your probably right the CIA did go to your school. The requirements to be CIA only say that you have to come from a school that is accrediated. Continue

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Do you really think that the CIA is going to take someone from ITT over someone from say Univ. of Memphis, etc...there are also law schools that only require you to have a Bachelors degree from an accrediated school (either regional or national), but I only know of one law school that takes ITT grads and thats Birmingham School of Law and they aren't even ABA approved and you can only practice law in Alabama from that school. So that means someone can graduate from Columbia Southern University (online), which is DETC accrediated, and become a lawyer in Alabama, How great is that! So good luck with your future CIA career from ITT. I hope you dont think just, because the CIA came to your school that it makes it great! ITT is a worthless degree and will continue to be. My job as an enrollment counselor in arkansas only requires a Bachelors degree, but it must be regional for state certification, therefore, ITT wouldnt work. Please beware of scams like ITT, Remington College, Devry Unviersity, etc...afterall, Univ. of Phoenix is more accrediated than ITT...

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Toi in Phoenix, Arizona said: ...

I AM a CEO of a global company and would NEVER HIRE someone graduating from ITT! My answer to what I would say to graduates from ITT or anyone who gets bamboozled by them? Here it is:

Sue them! A lot of people have and won. ITT charges more than everyone else, yet they NEVER tell you they are NOT "regionally accredited". They are only accredited by ACICS (which means almost nothing). 99.9% of globally accepted Universities do not accept degrees or credits from ITT as valid. Try saying you graduated from ITT to a global company or even a national company with a good reputation and see if they hire you. I do not know why Pell Grants and National School Lending Programs even allow ITT to get fat by deception because in my opinion that is fraud and against the Truth in Advertising Laws. ITT advertises and advertises but they NEVER say that they are NOT a "Regionally Accredited" university. Why do you not call Harvard, Yale or any other Ivy League school and ask them if they accept credits from ITT PLUS-- THEY ARE ALL CHEAPER than ITT! The difference in starting pay between a regionally accredited university and an Ivy League school is between $100K and $200K annually (and I meant the DIFFERENCE in pay, not the pay itself!).

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Toi in Phoenix, Arizona said:

The difference in starting pay between a regionally accredited university and an Ivy League school is between $100K and $200K annually (and I meant the DIFFERENCE in pay, not the pay itself!).

One can only imagine the DIFFERENCE in pay between ITT graduates (a non-regionally accredited, FOR PROFIT business) and an Ivy League or even a regular, regionally accredited University.

<I>And what exactly do you say to the thousands upon thousands of ITT Tech graduates over the years who have CAREERS in jobs they love and make more than they ever would have without that education?</I>

I would ask them what college they went to get that career besides ITT. I would also like to know what company was dumb enough to hire them or did not do the due diligence to find out of the school they went to was a legitimate school or not.

ITT is for people who do not want to put in the time to get accepted at a traditional school. It's for people who do not want to compete amongst peers. To break it down more, it's for people who got a trophy even though they were not on the winning team or scored a basket or point.

ITT is for people who just want a job, not a career. Obviously, you aren't going to be able to further your education in the master's arena, name me one institution that's going to accept that worthless degree. Any graduate level university worth it's salt will not accept you.