ITT - Tech Is A SCAM!!!!!!!!!! DON"T DO IT!

From a former ITT-Tech instructor (4.5 years in Houston) - the school is a scam that preys on s tupid, uneducated (and uneducable) people for the $40,000 federal student loans that they obtain. The books are a joke, the cirriculum is written for morons (because only a moron would attend there) and the credits don't transfer.

How can a person who picks his/her nose in class; who doesn't bathe regularly; who can't read OR write expect to get a professional job earning sufficient income to pay off a $40,000 student loan?

To summarize: the school is a scam for s uckers, the credits will NEVER transfer to a REAL university or college (DeVry doesn't count, stupid!), and only mo rons enroll.

this guy has no clue

not only did i get interviews for cia they came to school to recruit. so much for his story

i now work for verizon as a switch tech working on fiber optics, gtd-5's,dms-100's, 5ess, dco's, dms-10's, i work on ss7, fiber transports from t1's oc48,s oc12,s..
now we are expanding fiber to home with fios'
last yr i made 69,000
so tell me again how bad this school is

kirk watson in Noblesville, Indiana said: this guy has no clue

not only did i get interviews for cia they came to school to recruit. so much for his story

i now work for verizon as a switch tech working on fiber optics, gtd-5's,dms-100's, 5ess, dco's, dms-10's, i work on ss7, fiber transports from t1's oc48,s oc12,s..
now we are expanding fiber to home with fios'
last yr i made 69,000
so tell me again how bad this school is

I am almost certain that you did not make that income working as a line tech for a cell company...I got some ocean-front property in Arizona for sale for those who think he made that salary...Even in small print on ITTs commercials they talk about credits not transferring...unreal...

dcplace2009 in Spokane, Washington said: I am almost certain that you did not make that income working as a line tech for a cell company...I got some ocean-front property in Arizona for sale for those who think he made that salary...Even in small print on ITTs commercials they talk about credits not transferring...unreal...

who are you to question me

i have no reason to lie
and you are showing that you dont know what your talking about base pay for a central office tech is 54000 a yr with out overtime
look it up can you say verizon

dcplace2009 in Spokane, Washington said: I am almost certain that you did not make that income working as a line tech for a cell company...I got some ocean-front property in Arizona for sale for those who think he made that salary...Even in small print on ITTs commercials they talk about credits not transferring...unreal...

in fact i made MORE than i posted as i get double time on weekends and holidays and at nights a an hourly bonus
and if its WEEKEND NIGHT holiday look out

its funny how some folks get on here and say someone did not make that when they have NO CLUE

All these positive rebuttals are from fake students and are actually paid by ITT Tech to say bogus and fake message, I am working for ITT and I know what’s going on, everybody knows ITT-TECH and their fabricated information and invented reports, I am surpassed they still in the education business, they should be in the Sublime loans or any fraud and unethical business. The only concern of the management in the HQ is to increase profits and do not care about students, I believe ITT Tech soon will go down because I know about many lawsuits waiting for ITT.

Please think 98,000,000 times before attending ITT Tech, at ITT Tech you are a "start number” you are not a students in any way.

I was an admissions advisor and I am writing this because sometimes you are going to read positive remarks from current students(All these encouraging comments are from fake students and are actually paid by ITT Tech to say bogus and phony messages) In the year I was working for ITT TECH I have only heard complaints from students.

I am working for ITT and I know what’s going on, everybody knows ITT-TECH and their fabricated information and invented reports, I am surpassed they still in the education business, they should be in the Sublime loans or any fraud and unethical business. The only concern of the management in the HQ is to increase profits and do not care about students, I believe ITT Tech soon will go down because I know about many lawsuits waiting for ITT.
Here is the main problem with this company -- they are extremely misleading and what they describe as their "Mission Statement" and what is being said and reviewed behind closed doors is the definition of hypocritical. They claim to be changing students lives (yes this is true will bleed you dry, ITT TECH is nothing but money launderers, it is a mafia) at ITT TECH You are not a student -- you are a "start number".
Absolutely, no good reasons to work for this unethical institute, most horrible management practices, bogus and fake reports and information about the company.
Who would have thought that ITT TECH can be permitted to be up and running with so many , morals complaints, ethics violations, and educational deception and hoax.
I totally agree, ITT TECH is nothing but money launderers, you are not a student you are a "start number” ITT TECH is a big MAFIA.

A few weeks ago, while I was coming home from work, I was talking with this girl who just came from an appointment with the ITT Tech school in King of Prussia. She wants to take up criminal justice and become a parole officer.

I asked her if she signed any papers, and she said no. She was only 23, she doesn't even live with her parents, and she works. Because of a federal regulation, they would have to get her parents income information in order for her to get financial aid. They should look at her income; not her parents'. ITT Tech charges $500 a credit, and her parents would hit the roof if they ever found out about this.

I also suggested that she check out Delaware County Community College. This way, she can transfer her credits toward a four-year-degree, the tuition would be cheaper, and employers would recognize the degree as well

I believe a couple of other trade schools here in Philadelphia offer criminal justice courses besides ITT Tech. I can't understand how a technical training school can offer training in Criminal Justice. Like I said earlier, most places want people with a four-year college degree. I believe one of those NBA basketball placers has a four-year degree in Criminal Justices from La Salle.

Go onto ripoffreport.com and you will see the numerous complaints against ITT Tech.

All colleges are a scam these days. It's not jut ITT Tech, it's 4 year universities too. I graduated from a great school, with a great degree, and I can't find work. All of college is a hoax these days. There's even a forum out there for it now www.thegreatcollegehoax.com

Hello everyone I am a real student at itt in madison. I have only been there a week. I know my Criminal justice teacher is an actual police officer. I don't know if what you say is true, and i would like opinions from both sides and some kind of proof to back up your facts. please

Ok, to be a police officer, the minimum educational requirement is a high school diploma. Why would you pay FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for an education to prepare you for an ENTRY LEVEL POSITION in law enforcement? As for a prison guard...well, lets just say you don't need any degree for that. Private dick? Gonna take real life experience. Ask your "police officer" instructor, If he's an honest cop, he'll tell ya. If you have any kind of criminal record (i.e. felony or misdemeanour drug or violent charge, doesn't have to be a conviction), doesn't matter if you're a Harvard Law grad, you're screwed as far as being a cop goes.

As for the courses, again, check your local community college, I bet they offer the same curriculum at a fraction of the cost, not to mention ANY community college is more reputable than ITT (the one exception is possibly Electronics Engineering, and that is a SLIGHT POSSIBILITY).

Not trying to insult anyone, I just wish to help. It's your life, your money, and most importantly, your time, time you can't get back.

The last reply is on the mark. I taught there, it IS expensive, and your credits WILL NOT transfer to any unversity or college you will likely want to move to later in life...because most all traditional universities are regionally accredited...not nationally like ITT. They have good marketing, etc, but the overall quality does not get much better as you go through the classes.

They will get you loans, etc, but they will come due (at an average of $500.00 per month) after you graduate.

Good luck!

Itt tech is a Scam said: I was an admissions advisor and I am writing this because sometimes you are going to read positive remarks from current students(All these encouraging comments are from fake students and are actually paid by ITT Tech to say bogus and phony messages) In the year I was working for ITT TECH I have only heard complaints from students.

I am working for ITT and I know what’s going on, everybody knows ITT-TECH and their fabricated information and invented reports, I am surpassed they still in the education business, they should be in the Sublime loans or any fraud and unethical business. The only concern of the management in the HQ is to increase profits and do not care about students, I believe ITT Tech soon will go down because I know about many lawsuits waiting for ITT.
Here is the main problem with this company -- they are extremely misleading and what they describe as their "Mission Statement" and what is being said and reviewed behind closed doors is the definition of hypocritical. They claim to be changing students lives (yes this is true will bleed you dry, ITT TECH is nothing but money launderers, it is a mafia) at ITT TECH You are not a student -- you are a "start number".
Absolutely, no good reasons to work for this unethical institute, most horrible management practices, bogus and fake reports and information about the company.

If you are working for ITT Tech and you feel you are your supervisors are doing something unethical, than you need to quit. Why are you still working there? Your integrity is not worth keeping your job.

I do work for ITT Tech and am overall satisfied with the job and what we do for our students. No, it's not perfect. But again, I and my supervisors are doing nothing unethical, or I would quit. You sound like you need to have integrity and quit your job ASAP.

Don't you think that if you work for a company and your salary & stock options are solely dependent on that companies net profit, in this case, net enrollment, that their opinions are somewhat bias? If the CEO of Maxwell House were to say that his coffee was better than Folgers, would you believe him? No, he survives on people making that assumption. No one should ever believe the opinion of a person in the employ of the topic of that opinion, good or bad, because they are, most likely, biased. They have something to gain or loose, and don't believe different. People tend to support their source of lively hood...people have an intrinsic need to be honorable, and there is nothing wrong with that. But that's precisely the reason you can't believe a persons opinion about their own source of lively hood. Most will try and make it a “honorable” profession, and most probably truly believe it. I have nothing to gain or loose but the satisfaction that I may get someone to investigate this school before they visit their campus, and to be prepared to be hammered w/a hardcore sales tactic and realize it for what it is.

You will hear that ITT is accredited...nationally. Yes, they are accredited nationally BECAUSE The Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools (ACICS) is the only agency that ITT can get. This the beginning of their their scope of recognition statement I copied from the US Department of education website*, and I quote: "Scope of recognition: The accreditation of private postsecondary institutions offering certificates or diplomas, and postsecondary institutions offering associate, bachelor's, or master's degrees in programs designed to educate students for professional, technical, or occupational careers, including those that offer those programs via distance education.”

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No other accrediting agency's primary mission is to offer certificates or diplomas, as is stated in the very first line of the statement defining the scope of their operation.

You see, ITT preys on the ignorant and desperate. I would bet, based on the classmates I had and the ease of the entrance exam, that the majority of ITT students could not get in to a more traditional college or university. It's a numbers game...A certain percentage of people who visit an ITT campus are in a desperate situation, and after an hour of being there they can have a MPN in front of you. All you have to do is vaguely, or just say that you understand the terms and implications of those loans (which they play down tremendously, they want you at ease, feeling comfortable signing your life away, a very popular sales tactic I used selling vacation properties).

People can talk themselves into about anything, especially to keep themselves from feeling or looking foolish. I'm sorry, but I can't sugar coat it, I AM A FOOL. I was duped by the same tactics I used to push timeshares.

“The Bait & Switch”: First you spend time w/the recruiter who's job it is to relate to you, to get friendly w/you and make ITT appear as if it has been made just for you. The recruiter is your peer, the primary sub-pitch man. When the recruiter feels you're starting to bite, you are handed off to “The Closer”, a stiff in a suit that TELLS you you've made the right decision, how happy they are for you (and to get your 40 grand) and just how easy and affordable all this is (even though 40G IS a lot of money), then you're whisked off to financial aide, and your life is signed away before you've had any time to truly think about this decision objectively. Its classic Bait and Switch. Anyone that has been through the admissions process at ITT can not deny this. If you do, you're lying to yourself.

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Any company that uses a Bait and Switch tactic to “sell their product” (I.e., a certificate or degree), their “product” isn't worth Jack. Think for yourselves people!!

*www2.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg7.html

I work in Career Services at ITT in Omaha, NE.

I have read a lot of comments and posts about ITT Tech, some positive, mostly negative.

Personally, I thought it was common knowledge that there is a HUGE difference between Private, For-Profit and Public educational organizations.. It was a lesson I picked up on before I had even graduated from high school- Private = Way More Money, Public = Way Less Money.

I have attended community college, public university and have become very familiar with the curriculum offered at ITT Omaha and I must say.. It is all pretty much the same. Maybe I've been lucky or maybe I just don't have unrealistic expectations, but the quality of education I FELT I received from community college and public university stack up right alongside what I see delivered by instructors at ITT Omaha. I interact with almost all of the faculty on a daily basis and these people GENUINELY care about their students. Working in Career Services, I get requests from teachers daily to provide information to students about local job openings- degree related, as appropriate, or otherwise. I find it hard to believe Omaha is just an exception to the rule.. But like I said before, I felt the same way while attending community college and university. Of course this doesn't mean each and every teacher I've ever interacted with has a heart of gold.. I'm speaking in terms of the majority.

To clarify, I only have 5 years of experience in HR.. However, from what I've seen, unless you're walking out of Harvard or another highly prestigious school it doesn't really matter where you get your education from. The most important thing post-secondary education says about you is: "This person has a desire to acquire formal training in their field of interest and possesses the ability to start a big project and FINISH IT."

To address remarks about ITT being highly metric-driven, yes. That is true. So are a lot of other organizations out there. Numbers and statistics seem to have become a regular part of conducting business- no matter what industry you are referring to. And don’t kid yourselves, FOR-PROFIT truly means what it sounds like. In my mind, I’d take that as a, “Hey, these people are here providing a service they expect to get paid for.” There’s no smoke & mirrors about it, it isn’t a charity. That means, these people are going to monitor their margins and make changes when necessary to continue to develop their business. I’m talking about all private educational institutions, not just ITT.

And while we’re on the subject of numbers, this is really the reason for my post. I read a lot from students saying they were not assisted in getting work in their chosen field or the positions they were offered paid too little.. And here’s my “beef” with that, so to speak.. Just like Admissions, Career Services works under numbers. It is critical that the people in this office place as many graduates as possible in their chosen field. Our placement rate is actually pretty high compared to other campuses, but we work our TAILS off to generate job leads, build relationships with employers and get graduates started in their chosen field. Oh, and I just made one of my key points. STARTED.

When you are pursuing an Associate of Applied Science degree, it is unrealistic to expect to have been working a “college student job” while attending school and then jump into a career with a starting pay of $60,000+ annually. EVEN IF a Representative wrongly told you something of that nature, how could you not have the good sense to realize that you need EXPERIENCE in your field before you can start climbing the ladder? That’s where your post-secondary education pays off, no matter where it’s from.

When you possess a degree, it truly does open doors for you. It’s not going to make you perform well on the job, it’s going to open the door and give you the opportunity to be successful.
I have seen ITT graduates placed in jobs making $50-60,000 a year but as someone said before me, those are people who have been working in their field while attending school. Yes, they TOOK a “crappy, entry-level job making $10 per hour” and built up some experience for their resume. I can say from personal experience, I truly love my job.. but I get frustrated because we try to educate students about what their employment outlook truly is and some of them are unwilling to start at the beginning and build their way up- they want to jump straight in at the top.

I interact with at LEAST 15 students per day- writing resumes and giving interview coaching and advice. Again, I LOVE what I do.. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t truly have a heart for people and a genuine desire to help. Career Services at ITT not only generates job leads in each specific field they offer programs in, but they also spend a good deal of time finding entry-level, part-time positions for students to work while attending class. That’s probably why some have noticed “Employment Guides” laying around the building.

I really don’t want to be negative.. I just want to share some of what my experiences have been with ITT and in Human Resources.

Anyone thinking of attending ITT please read the post by "Career Services - Omaha in Omaha, Nebraska", as the post is only slightly bias toward ITT, again, from another employee of ITT. People sincerely want their job to be important, so, it turn, they are important. Don't get me wrong, being an educator is commendable, even if you are at the bottom of the rung at an institution like ITT. Just as Career Services, Omaha stated, the quality of education offered at ITT is about par with what one would expect at a community college. How foolish would one have to be to pay ten times more for the same education? That is no exaggeration, the average cost for one year of tuition at a community college is $2,400. Do the math.

Anyone else thinking of attending ITT? Try googleing the name of the institution you are considering with the word "scam" typed behind it. Please, don't take my word for it, do some research. If you will notice, no one promoting ITT here will advise you to research it yourself. They want you to take their word for it. I strongly encourage anyone considering ITT to do their homework before making a decision. I can suggest this because I know that there is no way anyone in their right mind could choose that school after they spend a few hrs researching! Check the RipOffReport on ITT. Please people, don't pay $40,000 for a $4,000 education.

Do you think employers want someone that would spend 10 times more of HIS or HER money on a product equal or inferior to what costs 10 times less? With that type of thinking, just how much are you going to value their money or time? It is foolish for them to do so, and this is why many shy away from ITT grads. Who wants to hire someone that spends time and money foolishly (although their are some that do, but they are the minority). Research your investment, please.

www.ripoffreport.com/colleges-and-universities/itt-technical-instit/itt-technical-institute-high-t-6dx54.htm

When I was coming home from work back in January, I was talking to this girl who had just come from an appointment with ITT Tech. She wanted to take their Criminal Justice program. While we were talking, I asked her if she signed any papers yet, and she said no. She was only 23, but according to a federal regulation, if she were to get a student loan from there, they would have to look at her parents' income. She doesn't even live with her parents and she works. They should look at her income, and not her parents.

Because she also lives here in Delaware County (she lives in Yeadon), I suggested that she check out Delaware County Community College. This way, the tuition is much cheaper, and her credits can be transferred to a four-year college. And besides, how can anybody learn criminal justice at a technical school? Most jobs in that field require a four-year college degree.

If she ever goes to that shcool, she'll be $80,000 in debt by the time she gets out. And if they looked at her parents' income, they would hit the roof.

I just hope she makes the right choice.

I couldn't agree with you more. Stay away from the following 'colleges' at all costs: ITT Technical Institute, DeVry, Concorde, National University, University of Phoenix, Heald and others which seemingly start up one year and end the next. Following this former ITT Bleech instructor's advice will save you money, time, heart ache, and loads of frustration.

On the other hand, if you are self motivated, wealthy, a lottery winner, irresponsible, lazy, or just don't care, please feel free to attend any for-profit institutions of higher learning.

This is a no brainer...really

I Care! in Lexington, Kentucky said:

The problem with the former ITT Tech manager and instructor's analysis of the accreditation system, is that she conveniently forgot to mention that these proprietary schools PAY for their salaries, staff and other expenses. Seriously, do you really think that the way that the current system is set up that an unbiased critique results from this set up? Think again.

While many of the credits now transfer, when I was there just two years ago in San Bernardino, Calif., none of the general education credits did. What ITT Bleech doesn't quite comprehend that is when you constantly attack helpless teachers, making a game of it in actuality, this detracts from your core mission. I saw managers roaming the hallways peering into rooms to see if teachers were in class, I saw teachers quit on the spot, I saw (and became) sacked without due process and much, much more. I now work for one of ITT's competitors, which has to gall them. Heck, I even invest in this competitor.

Buyer, beware. You've been warned.

Scott,
ITT is a very expensive option for those uninformed. You are correct in that it is a rip off - in terms of $$$$$. You can (and should) attend your local community college - same degree, software and 85% cheaper.

I did work for ITT Tech. There are some employees who care and do what it takes to assist the student. Two issues: 1.)credits will not transfer to many regional schools, but some will accept an entire degree with high academic performance. 2.) The cost is too much. The CEO packed in a bonus under 8 million thanks to the tax payer(Pell Grant and G.I. benefits) and students incurring outrageous debt.
One online class is 1704.00-ridiculous. Also, they need to invest in updating Questa to avoid students having technical difficulties.

On a posititve note, if you despise placement tests, the online school does not request them. Also, when you graduate, you are a college graduate whether it's an AAS or BS. No one can take that away from you and you should be proud of yourself! Unfortunately, most will have a boat load of debt with few exceptions.

ITT is awesome! it's not the school that's the problem. It's the people that goes there and don't do anything about learning. Everyone always wants to blame someone or something for there problems. I know plenty of people that goes to ITT and are very successful in their career. You can go to any four year and still come out a dumb ass. In this world you have to be a man and make your own decision in life. I am sick of all the people on here that is trying to down the school (ITT). Get a life, ITT will be around forever. If you don't like ITT go somewhere else, as for the ex-teachers...keep it that way. And for those who are trying to find the right school, don't be afraid to go to ITT. (Be a master of your craft)|don't let the devil on your shoulder talk you our of your dreams and aspirations. Learn, get it all and create a life that you always want. Ask yourself why is all these people talking trash about ITT, why are they trying to stop you from moving up in life.

It's no different at DeVry. I worked briefly for Advanced Academics, Inc., an online ripoff subsidiary for grades 6-12 until just recently. I have now experienced (outside of ITT Bleech) what it's like to be in the McDonalds of education. At DeVry, the CEO made about the same amount of money last year - in the depths of a tough recession - meanwhile four teachers including myself were about to be laid off without notice. I saw it coming, but didn't say too much, as who needs that in a small office?

Apparently, the for-profit institutions are going to be investigated soon by Congress. A man who helped blow the whistle on the greedy banks has made it his mission to take them all down. I wish him luck.

The places are mere money factories, pure and simple.

yep your a cry baby

i know for a fact ITT is legit i went there
i retired from verizon base salary was 65,000
now that was low because i stayed in craft working on fiber systems
and did not want eng postion that was offered due to fact it was salary
i avg 27.00 and hour base without overtime or holiday pay or weekend pay ( time and a half and double time) but i liked working nights and during storms keeping communication up for central
indiana verizon network some of the old guys work the old copper plant but not me
i worked on 3 phase (power feed to building and from generators) to battery banks for building
to working on oc48s and the like also worked on gtd-5s , dms-100s , dms-10 and 5ess switches
when i got hurt and retired i was in training on soft switches
while in ITT the CIA came to our school and i interviewed with them
say what you like but facts are facts

kirk watson in Noblesville, Indiana said: yep your a cry baby

i know for a fact ITT is legit i went there
i retired from verizon base salary was 65,000
now that was low because i stayed in craft working on fiber systems
and did not want eng postion that was offered due to fact it was salary
i avg 27.00 and hour base without overtime or holiday pay or weekend pay ( time and a half and double time) but i liked working nights and during storms keeping communication up for central
indiana verizon network some of the old guys work the old copper plant but not me
i worked on 3 phase (power feed to building and from generators) to battery banks for building
to working on oc48s and the like also worked on gtd-5s , dms-100s , dms-10 and 5ess switches
when i got hurt and retired i was in training on soft switches
while in ITT the CIA came to our school and i interviewed with them
say what you like but facts are facts

ooops for got to add i got paid night bonus and was on call 24/7 just to be on up and up

It was $426.00 per credit hour for AAS and BS. The MBA was 456.00. Whatever, still too much unless one graduates and is making 60,000+. The engineering degrees on campus do see a higher salaries, equipping them with the ability to actually handle their student loan payments.

runfastfromITT in Rainbow City, Alabama said: just saw who the previous post was from, kirk watson is NOT "retired" form his 65k+yr job, because he never had it. He's really an undercover CIA operative trying to make the government more money because if you go to ITT, your secured student loans are double, therefore you pay approx. 2/3 more in interest & fees!

undercover what???

again foaming at the mouth are ya i said interviewed and was given packet i declined
because i got a better offer
now go back to flipping your burgers

OK everyone, lets think a bit about this "gallon of milk" analogy for a second. I don't know a soul that would pay between $29 & $50 for a gallon of milk at a CONVENIENCE store. That's exactly what one would have to pay if a CONVENIENCE store marked up their prices at ten times the going price, which is what ITT does. And, in contrast to what you said, it's NOT the same "gallon of milk". The credit hrs you pay a thousand percent mark-up for at ITT won't transfer to any other school, period (unlike hrs earned at virtually any public institution)! The simple fact is that ITT offers an inferior product at an extremely inflated price! Doesn't it bother you that someone with no education or experience can get the same position that you will be "qualified" for after you get your fifty thousand dollar ASSOCIATES DEGREE?? Anyone that would pay that is an idiot (hey, that includes me). Get out NOW and save a thousand. Good Luck!

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with ITT. I can only speak for the facility I attend in NC. I do not agree they offer an inferior product. I see quite the contrary. Many people are speaking on subject they are unfamiliar with. I'm sure experience would vary from facility to facility, as well as program of study. All instructors at ITT have their masters or phd; but a masters is the minimal requirement in order to teach at any ITT. In addition, our facility also aquires instructors who actually work in the profession for which they are teaching. I have personally witnessed instructors who do not meet teaching standards get cut.

ITT is very particular in their selection of teachers. After each quarter, students fill out a survey based on every class, each instructor, and the curricula. ITT bases their decisions based on these surveys. They are more student driven than anyone wants to give them credit for. I have even seen instructors get booted a few weeks in to a quarter due to student complaints. Maybe people should consider the source before giving creedence to these entries.

Furthermore, I have seen thugs enroll at ITT; who weren't serious and dropped out after a couple quarters. Maybe the haters out there fall into this category, then get angry when they drop out and get big student loan bills they are responsible for 6 monthsm later.

Finally, when considering cost-one must realize that all books for the entire 4 years is included in the tuition, as well as any tool kits and special supplies. There are no parking fees or any hidden costs. It is expensive, but there are other factors not considered in the price when others criticize that which they know very little of.

I saw the post by luvbnamommy and wanted to respond.
> luvbnamommy stated: I do not agree they offer an inferior product.
>>> My Reply - How would you define inferior regarding this topic? I would say that if someone enrolled in ITT Tech in order to get a recognized degree, one which may also allow them to transfer to a Regionally accredited college or university…the yes! They are in fact getting a vastly inferior product. During my time teaching there I had many students approach me thinking they could get into a state university…only to be upset when they found out their degree is never going to be recognized…nor any of the classes they took.
Here’s the latest report on places like ITT Tech (which is for-profit) and what they are doing: www.gao.gov/new.items/d10948t.pdf
Another link here: www.beta.coolstatela.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1329%3Afeds-investigate-for-profit-colleges&Itemid=559
> luvbnamommy stated: Many people are speaking on subject they are unfamiliar with.
>>> My Reply - I taught for over a year, working many late nights and working hard to provide the education the students paid ITT Tech for. I was also approached many times and asked if I wanted to become a full time instructor. Note most of the instructors are now adjuncts…it saves a lot for the company.
> luvbnamommy stated: All instructors at ITT have their masters or phd; but a masters is the minimal requirement in order to teach at any ITT.
>>> My Reply - Not so. Although I have a masters degree…the majority of the faculty did NOT have a masters…they mostly had bachelor degrees. And there were NO PhD’s on staff.

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> luvbnamommy stated: In addition, our facility also aquires instructors who actually work in the profession for which they are teaching. I have personally witnessed instructors who do not meet teaching standards get cut.
>>> My Reply - Not exactly. The instructors I saw get fired (I actually had to pick up a few classes) were very substandard and even the students who like goofing off did not appreciate how dumbed down the teaching was. This posed a very touchy issue…ITT Tech did not want to lose any of their ‘customers’ (aka..students). So, the instructors in question were let go. I even had students re-taking (actually sitting in) on courses I taught which they had from other instructors that did not teach the material (although the students passed).
Oh, it’s spelled ‘acquires’ not ‘aquires’.

> luvbnamommy stated: ITT is very particular in their selection of teachers. After each quarter, students fill out a survey based on every class, each instructor, and the curricula. ITT bases their decisions based on these surveys. I have even seen instructors get booted a few weeks in to a quarter due to student complaints. Maybe people should consider the source before giving creedence to these entries.
>>> My Reply - The surveys are actually done during each course, about half to three quarters through, and (the electronic versions) are registered with ITT Tech headquarters. Note there is one that is administered a little earlier during each course, but that one is paper based and reviewed by the Dean and department chair so they can head off any problems. The instructors get bonuses for high ratings…some even buy the students pizza so they get more favorable reviews.
Oh, it’s spelled ‘credence’ not ‘creedence’.

One more to follow...

I can understand luvbnamommy, and everyone else for that matter, sincerely wants the decisions and direction they choose to follow in life to be good ones. No one wants to be stuck in the middle of a bad situation, especially one that you willingly (and probably enthusiastically) walked into. It's easy to see, just check out any forums on this subject, that people will abandon all reason and common sense to defend a bad decision they've made. Nobody wants to FEEL 'stupid' or duped, and many will eternally be in denial.

Of all the very fine, pertinent information itt_instructor in Dallas has provided, maybe the most important is that no one flunks! Students are given a free pass. They do just as much as they have to to minimize lawsuits. All they care about at the end of the day is the stockholder.

Also, what brings all of these 'pro-itt' people here? Why would someone, if they were entirely confident w/ITT, be searching for ITT-bashing forums? They are filled with doubt, that's why. They are finally beginning to wonder how bad a mistake they made, or they are a shareholder.

If you are happy w/ITT, good for you I guess, but don't try to influence some poor idiot to go in debt 50k for an associates degree that no one will recognize or appreciate.

*No one in my classes flunked out (unlike university attended), the admin made sure of that. Each chair is at least 38k profit. We had two instructors that were very good, they were very challenging, and were the only technical instructors NOT to hand out or give us, in the form of notes, the tests (midterms, finals, ext) verbatim the week before the tests. people graduated w/3.0+ while only attending about 30% of classes

*Those two instructors lasted a quarter and a half. . .

*sorry for the number of posts, but I stated that "Each chair is at least 38k profit", which was simply a guesstimate (price of ITT associate - price of recognized associate). It could be more or less. . .

I believe what you're saying. When I taught in San Bernardino, a job which I was later fired for (real reason - got caught between two powerful men and came up on the losing end), I was constantly pressured to prove that so-and-so had failed, or for that matter earned a C or D. Grade inflation is rampant there, and the quality of education is directly linked to its national accreditation. The accreditation team is PAID by the very corporations through fees, so you tell me if they don't have a vested interest in keeping the machine greased.

The entire organization, from top to bottom (and it's VERY top down, trust me) is profit driven. They look at numbers DAILY and constantly berate, belittle, and demean good instructors like me. As I was LED OUT OF THE BUSINESS LIKE A CRIMINAL, I told them that eventually what comes around goes around. The best thing that they ever did was get rid of me. Within a month I found a real teaching job.

To the former San Bernadino professor, you nailed it and are 100% correct about the profit. I was amazed by the treatment of online recruiters. You got by w/murder if you recruited. If openly factual and honest about all related information (i.e. credits not transferring to regional schools) your recruiting numbers were not w/in the minimum standards of 19 students. Actually, I was stunned by what I overheard in terms of false promises. There were instances when one online rep was talking so inappropriately (very nasty to a parent)-mgmt should have escorted him out immediately. But he was still around when I left....Oh,BTW, big congrats on landing your teaching position!!!!!!!!!!!!

I worked as a part time GE teacher for ITT Tech, then full time in San Bernardino. What I saw was border line fraud nearly every week that I stayed there. Here's the proof:

** When I interviewed, I was told that I was to prepare a lesson. I completely blew it, but was babied through the demonstration lesson. I should NOT have been hired based on what these men saw. What they wanted was a compliant, scared teacher. They got it.

** When students miss a class for whatever reason, instructors are forced to call them and find out why and attempt to give them homework. This is a trademark symbol of a "nanny" business and I know of no other higher ed institution which does this. I actually got in trouble now and then for not completing all of my calls. A manager watched your every move.

** Because there is no union, management takes advantage of this. Teachers there are expected to teach in a certain way so that no one is offended (good), misunderstood or that anything out of the ordinary occurs. It leads to a general dumbing down.

** Because there is no union, labor is stifled. Creativity is sacrificed because instructors are usually petrified when managers walk into their classes, usually unannounced. They immediately want to see all eyes on the instructor (or small group group being done), a display copy of the syllabus and an attendance log. They also want to see a written lesson plan, never mind the fact that few had them. I did.

** Students are referred to as customers. This became an issue for me as a teacher, because a customer buys something and wants it to work properly or it's returned. Students have become so empowered there that in most cases, as in mine, they are right and the instructor is wrong. The instructor has NO RECOURSE in nearly all confrontations. I wrote everything down as a result, and man am I glad that I did.

** Foreigners are frequently hired. The Teacher of the Quarter, Mrs. Aquino, was ILLEGAL!

Amy Smith in Indianapolis, Indiana said: It was $426.00 per credit hour for AAS and BS. The MBA was 456.00. Whatever, still too much unless one graduates and is making 60,000+. The engineering degrees on campus do see a higher salaries, equipping them with the ability to actually handle their student loan payments.

I have no problem someone wanting to attend here for sheer pleasure (hey, I saw it) and the joy of learning. What I object to is the misuse of federal loans and military benefits. As soon as they find out that you're a veteran, you are on their "C20L" (Call 20 times list) designation. Notice how many times that they called you to just get you campus? They do that because statistics have shown that if you show up they are more likely to close the deal, which is just common sense. What is scary is that they have statistics which show exactly what percentage of people sign up. They know before you sign if you'll sign, in other words.

I am a former student of ITT Tech, and I'm in the process of forming a case against ITT Tech for fraud based on deceptive business practices, false advertising and predatory lending practices. Anyone who wishes to participate in this effort is free to contact me on my new blog site, www.idiotnotes.com.

My goal is to gather evidence from former staff and students from all over the country and present this evidence to the appropriate agencies who can put a stop to what they are still being allowed to do. Even better than that, I hope to be able to put a strong enough class-action case together on all of our behalves to convince the courts to force ITT to reimburse us for the costs we've all incurred because of their deception.

If we can all get together and fight this, maybe we can at least cause some kind of student loan reform where this illegal activity is no longer allowed to continue and it can no longer rack up victims. And yes, we are victims...we were charged for goods and services that the company did not even attempt to deliver or provide and we deserve to be compensated, or at the very least we deserve a refund of all charges incurred because of this fraud.

We speak the truth about a corrupt organization, that's why. What I observed in my two years and seven months of hard work in general education was an underemphasis on academic standards and an elevation of profits. The number one concern at ANY for-profit institution in money, purely and simply.

Finally, may I comment upon your poor grammar? I counted something like nine or ten grammatical errors in your post out of Wheaton. College students are expected to have conquered this set of problems by now and it points to what I was saying earlier. This is disturbing at best, and indicative of what passes for OK at this 'college'.

My advice, from someone who damaged his career by teaching there: Don't waste your time or precious money at ITT Tech, who were SUED by ITT for the use of its name decades ago.

ITT Tech is hardly selective in whom they allow to teach there. I was thrust into the classroom without having even been taken through the stupid "boot camp" preparation class. This became an issue when I issued term paper (!) guidelines. The students knew that they wouldn't have to actually write, and they were correct. I was quickly taken aside and told that I couldn't assign large writing assignments.

In short, my brand new General Education chair, who would get fired for making homosexual passes at some of the male teachers, "forgot" to tell me about the preparation session. I recovered, but it was embarrassing.

I saw 'teachers' there who REFUSED to show up the second time because the students there were rough, tatted up menaces. On two occasions my students were taken out of my class in handcuffs. One of my students was wanted for MURDER in Riverside, Calif., and apparently he enrolled in class in order to get closer to his next target. Wouldn't you know that both students were in the same room as the murderer was taken away by the law. My God!

I knew of instructors who got students pregnant, who went out drinking with their students, who did deals for grades and other horrible stuff. God, the place is the stuff of nightmares!!

I would like to add my two cents I have learning problems that a regular university doesn't help with I like that I only see these studnets and teachers for at my school not itt for 5 weeks and then I get another class. I know itt works every 11 weeks you get 3 new classes I like that. At a jc or 4 yr. I am stuck with students and teacher who in no way have helped me with the quick pace of iit or me school I find for me works great. Thanks for reading.

Hello Guys...

I am a graduate student at Webster University. Since I am in the military, alot of my education has been online with some of it being the traditional brick and Mortar. I have been seeing the ITT commercials lately and so has a cousin of mine. We are both in the IT fields and he has been asking me about schools lately. I told him not to mess with ITT. I have no affiliation with the school.

If you are thinking about going there, think of these things...

Why when you apply do you <I>have</I> to speak with a counselor? You shouldnt have to speak with anyone to apply to the school. When you look on the website, you can barely find anything on their accredition. And it doesnt say it's regionally registered. And the high price. God, my master's in IT Tech at Webster's is cheaper per credit hour than this scam! An AA degree should be no more than $30 a credit hour. Period.

If you want to go to school just to get the experience, then do it. But if you plan on moving to a master's or having a job recognize your degree, dont go to this school.

Luvbnamommy,

I am from that area. You could have gotten a much better deal from Forsyth Tech or Guilford Community College. I went to Winston Salem State for about two years and those base credits followed me for several years when I was working on my first B.A. They were accepted by every university I went to. A BA or AA doesnt cost that much, especially in the Triad area. Get out of that school and get into a true N.C. school!