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Fed Up in Wilmette, Illinois said: Wow Graydon, I'd say you're busted pal!!!! I said it before to you ans I'll say in again, you have no business being in our business!!!!

You would have to presume that everything posted on this blog is true.

Jewel 7 in Colorado springs, Colorado wrote:
Ok Gray, I have read through these bogs and I am even more convinced you sir are a DIRTY< ROTTEN< SCOUNDRAL!!!!! So, is it far treatment to let someone go when all they have done is hard work, care and love their clients, listen with your heart as some lie on your table and cry tears of sorrow and dispair, always be on time , be willing to go the extra mile? The truth is you only are thinking about your pocket book! One at your front desk is having a special friendship with a client but thats ok even though she has a common law husband. I know another therapist ther who has had complaints about inapropriate touching during a massage but, he is still there. those there that complain none stop and have been told no more complaining or you are out of here, but they are still there. What about the time one of the therapist was offered money for sex and she was told they would set his appointments with another therapist even after she filled out a formal complaint from. And it was me who said if he is in my room and makes those offers I will sue ME!!!!! even though I have kids to feed by myself, and to put a roof over our heads you could not even give a legitamate reason for letting me go! You did not return any of my phone calls so, we could talk of the why's Yet you tell one at the front desk that you are in contact with me trying to reconcile hard feelings! You are a liar, deceiver, and you do not give your employees good benefits, therapist work soooo hard and are treated with disrespect! GOD forbid if you go a few minutes over those 50 minutes because you, your wife, and your son Morgan will lose money. And remember that shameful comment you made to me, that we dont need a black man as president in this country! You are also a racist Man. Now sir you may call me the B WORD! I am proud of it. Atleast I have dignity, integrity, self respect!!!

Massage Therapist wrote:
Gray not treating your therapist as you say you do

KC Good in San Diego, California wrote:
You are one bitter, judgmental Nurse.

Obviously everyone here is standing up for someone who is CHOOSING to do 8 massages daily. No MT I know of that works at ME does 8 massages in a row or even in a day. That is obviously too much for one person in a day. Most people do 5 to 6 max.

I worked doing massage years ago, and I only could do 3 hours in a row without a break - and that was difficult.

So why is this person choosing to do 8 hours of massage and then complaining about it?

I suggest a schedule change? A second job? That's what I myself and everyone else seems to be doing.

Here's an idea: If it isn't working - FIX IT

Massage Therapist wrote: You sound like a manager at Massage Envy.

jewel7 in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: Ok Gray, I have read through these bogs and I am even more convinced you sir are a DIRTY< ROTTEN< SCOUNDRAL!!!!! So, is it far treatment to let someone go when all they have done is hard work, care and love their clients, listen with your heart as some lie on your table and cry tears of sorrow and dispair, always be on time , be willing to go the extra mile? The truth is you only are thinking about your pocket book! One at your front desk is having a special friendship with a client but thats ok even though she has a common law husband. I know another therapist ther who has had complaints about inapropriate touching during a massage but, he is still there. those there that complain none stop and have been told no more complaining or you are out of here, but they are still there. What about the time one of the therapist was offered money for sex and she was told they would set his appointments with another therapist even after she filled out a formal complaint from. And it was me who said if he is in my room and makes those offers I will sue ME!!!!! even though I have kids to feed by myself, and to put a roof over our heads you could not even give a legitamate reason for letting me go! You did not return any of my phone calls so, we could talk of the why's Yet you tell one at the front desk that you are in contact with me trying to reconcile hard feelings! You are a liar, deceiver, and you do not give your employees good benefits, therapist work soooo hard and are treated with disrespect!

Grey, why would you reply to someone else and ignore these allegations. Are you ignoring her questions as to why she was let go as she says? I am going to try and ignore what she said about your supposed personal beliefs and just hope it isn't true, but even if it is that part is really none of our business. I am just curious about the rest.

Gray Neher wrote:
Well, that's just it - negative but true? True according to whom? You quote a lot of urban legend as true but post no evidence that can be verified

Massage Therapist wrote:
I guess Jewel 7 in Colorado Springs, Colorado just did that. Fed Up is right you are busted!!!!!

i heart massage in huffman, Texas said:

Take a wild guess as to why. Here's a hint: (lawyers and/or the sheriff's department can be involved).

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: Take a wild guess as to why. Here's a hint: (lawyers and/or the sheriff's department can be involved).

You don't think someone has the right to know why they have been terminated?

LMT/CMT in Phoenix, Arizona wrote:
Simple, they are not that concerned about therapists. If they leave, then they will hire someone else. This is a factory mentality. They count on the fact that they will always have a pool of new grads to pull from. This sounds just like the documentary Ive seen on Wal-Mart. after a company gets to a certain size, they worry a little less about complaints and concentrate on hitting the numbers, its all about stats. If they were to address the complints brought forward and actually did something about it, they would have to change the ME model. so dont hold your breath.

Massage Therapist wrote:
This is what new therapist need to understand!!!!! Massage Envy made 90 Million in 2007 off of the hard work of the massage therapists who received how much in return? no benefits? fired? injured? Massage Therapists dont let a company use you for your talents. Please!!!!!!!!!

Massage Therapist said: This is what new therapist need to understand!!!!! Massage Envy made 90 Million in 2007 off of the hard work of the massage therapists who received how much in return? no benefits? fired? injured? Massage Therapists dont let a company use you for your talents. Please!!!!!!!!!

Just because a company has revenues of 90 million doesn't mean that it made a penny profit. Ask any airline. Every employee should choose the work environment best suited to their needs. Employment in the US is not a hostage situation.

RD

i heart massage in huffman, Texas said: You don't think someone has the right to know why they have been terminated?

Tell us what you know about employment law.

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: Tell us what you know about employment law.

I didn't ask you about law, and I personally, and thankfully have always had wonderful, respectful employers who have never given me reason to study up on it even before I got into massage. I guess I am just one of the lucky ones who always worked for great people. But my question was one of respect and what you thought. If you have a legitimate reason to terminate someone then by all means if they aren't doing their job correctly then it is not only your right but also your responsibility to the wellbeing of your business to do so. But my question was, and please try to put yourself in the place of the employee, don't you think a person has the right to know why they were terminated? If it was a legitimate reason then there should be no legal reprocussions.

i heart massage in huffman, Texas said: I didn't ask you about law, and I personally, and thankfully have always had wonderful, respectful employers who have never given me reason to study up on it even before I got into massage. I guess I am just one of the lucky ones who always worked for great people. But my question was one of respect and what you thought. If you have a legitimate reason to terminate someone then by all means if they aren't doing their job correctly then it is not only your right but also your responsibility to the wellbeing of your business to do so. But my question was, and please try to put yourself in the place of the employee, don't you think a person has the right to know why they were terminated? If it was a legitimate reason then there should be no legal reprocussions.

Legitimate according to whom. And therein lies the problem. Hence the reference to the law.

RichardD in california, California said: Just because a company has revenues of 90 million doesn't mean that it made a penny profit. Ask any airline. Every employee should choose the work environment best suited to their needs. Employment in the US is not a hostage situation.

RD

Get real Richard! You're not even a massage therapist. Go troll somewhere else pal.

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: Legitimate according to whom. And therein lies the problem. Hence the reference to the law.

Graydon,

You came in here a year ago defending this crap company that you bought into and tried to tell us that you were different. I think it's clear that you're not! You're just as slippery and greedy as the rest of the owners in your BS enterprise, aren't you?

Jewel7 sounds like a decent person who really cared and she had some very bad things to say about you and your family, OUCH! Get it together pal !!!!

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: Take a wild guess as to why. Here's a hint: (lawyers and/or the sheriff's department can be involved).

guess what, I called Gray today and he had the courage to answer my call. SURPRIZE! SURPRIZE! SO< I would like to know why a lawyer or sherriff would be called! You said to day I was not let go for my quality as a therapist, but reasons were confidental. You confuse me or is it you covering you tracks or at least trying to? And when I brought up the racist comment you made, you became angry, and yes I did say I would expose you and you said for me to get a lawyer for threating you. We both know I did not threaten you, you are just afraid. Oh, by the way you werent the only one to have the speaker phone on. I know I was done wrong. What saddens me the most is that people still in America are racist and when it is exposed the innocent take the fall so they dont have to.And I realized something else, even though you have alot more money than me, I have greater wealth that you will never haver, I have a heart that loves people for who they are in their heart and soul. But, please do tell me why lawyers or sherriffs would have been called in, if you are suggesting I did something illegal you better be able to prove that because I know I can prove 100% that I did no illegal act!!!!!

This is to Fed Up, Thank you, I am honest, hard workin single mom of three, I love and care about people, that is why I became a therapist, it really disheartened me to be fired and for what reason. Gray has alot of money I dont, but I work hard, he doesnt know what it is like to see your kids go to bed hungry or to be hungry. But, today I saw through him that I have so much more than him. Children who love and respect me and who care about others welfare, who would never hurt the innocent and would give something up for the sake of others. I count my blessings! He knows what he did and why and he has to live with himself every day of his life, how sad is that?

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: Legitimate according to whom. And therein lies the problem. Hence the reference to the law.

Well lets see, a legitimate claim would be legitimate to the law. ex. complaints, not doing job, calling in way too much, legitimate claims have a very wide range.

jewel7 in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: guess what, I called Gray today and he had the courage to answer my call. SURPRIZE! SURPRIZE! SO< I would like to know why a lawyer or sherriff would be called! You said to day I was not let go for my quality as a therapist, but reasons were confidental. You confuse me or is it you covering you tracks or at least trying to? And when I brought up the racist comment you made, you became angry, and yes I did say I would expose you and you said for me to get a lawyer for threating you. We both know I did not threaten you, you are just afraid. Oh, by the way you werent the only one to have the speaker phone on. I know I was done wrong. What saddens me the most is that people still in America are racist and when it is exposed the innocent take the fall so they dont have to.

Jewel, as I said to Gray I really don't know much about labor law. But if I were you I would I would call your local labor board and find out the laws on wrongfull termination. See if he has to give you a reason, file a complaint saying that you believe you were unduly fired. I know it seems like a lot of wasted time and unnecessary work to do so, but that is what people like that count on, they want you to say that it is too much trouble and move on. If you really believe you were wrongfully terminated don't let him get away with it. Don't let anyone treat you that way without a fight. You are worth more than an easy out for him.

WAIT! I was not in good form when I used the F word against Massage Envy. Maybe that is why I did not get responses. The logic and facts in my post were all true. I would like to hear about other people who were sent home early on their shifts at Massage Envy.

KC Good:
Massage is a positive idea and it is a shame that we have corporate trying to ruin it. Your post had things in reverse.

PS to KS Good:
I also defend LMT/CMT from Arizona. Since I have been on this Forum, he has always demonstrated strong moral character. This is not something that I say of anyone. His positions are solid and very well supported. I guess that is why you attacked him (calling him bitter) as all of his positions are supported with facts. Quoting reality is not being bitter. And, you do sound like a Massage Envy manager. Spin does not trick everyone on here. We are not all newbies.

anonymous anonmous in Freehold, New Jersey said: KC Good:
Massage is a positive idea and it is a shame that we have corporate trying to ruin it. Your post had things in reverse.

Repost due to typo (I KNOW this word was not missing when I hit reply)

KC Good:
Massage is a positive idea and it is a shame that we have corporate greed trying to ruin it. Your post had things in reverse.

jewel7 in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: This is to Fed Up, Thank you, I am honest, hard workin single mom of three, I love and care about people, that is why I became a therapist, it really disheartened me to be fired and for what reason. Gray has alot of money I dont, but I work hard, he doesnt know what it is like to see your kids go to bed hungry or to be hungry. But, today I saw through him that I have so much more than him. Children who love and respect me and who care about others welfare, who would never hurt the innocent and would give something up for the sake of others. I count my blessings! He knows what he did and why and he has to live with himself every day of his life, how sad is that?

Jewel7,

You're welcome! All the best to you. I'm really sorry you were treated that way and I just hate to hear these ME nightmare stories. I bet that you will find something far better for yourself out there. Keep your head up and let us know how you're doing.

jewel7 in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: GRAY nEHER i HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, DID YOU NOT RETURN MY CALLS BECAUSE AT HEART YOU ARE A COWARD?

OUCH! Is this true Graynor?

So, gray how is it you say one minute that lawyers and the sherriff could be called into why I was fired and now you have a different respnse to legitamate reasons of being late calling in too often? It appears you are having a hard time holding on. So, if I broke the law why was the sheriff not called? If I were an owner of the business I would have done that in a heart beat! And, ifn I was late or always calling off why was I not spoken to like others at ME Stetson Hills? Get your story staight! As, I said yesterday I am a strong willed woman, I will not let this go, and I would try very hard to explain why law enforcement could have been brought in to my firing, you are liable for the comment, see some woman know the law to. It's in print, has greater weight in the court of law.

Fed Up in Wilmette, Illinois said: OUCH! Is this true Graynor?

Well, it is true however, I did call him yesterday and WOW! He answered my call. I did not enjoy making this issue everyone elses business but, I got his attention. He did tell me that I was not let go for my ability as a therapist or my work. So, I said to him, "well, if its not proffessional reasons it must be personal". He would not reply to that comment. Though when I brought up the conversation he had with me about not needing a black man in office, he just could not recall ever saying that. Two other people at ME know that this statement was said. What disturbs me is the deceit, and now impling I broke the law. This is wrong and he just messed with the wrong woman. He fired me to cover his tracks and now is suggessting I broke the law. I hope he is squirming in his pants.

jewel7 in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: So, gray how is it you say one minute that lawyers and the sherriff could be called into why I was fired and now you have a different respnse to legitamate reasons of being late calling in too often? It appears you are having a hard time holding on. So, if I broke the law why was the sheriff not called? If I were an owner of the business I would have done that in a heart beat! And, ifn I was late or always calling off why was I not spoken to like others at ME Stetson Hills? Get your story staight! As, I said yesterday I am a strong willed woman, I will not let this go, and I would try very hard to explain why law enforcement could have been brought in to my firing, you are liable for the comment, see some woman know the law to. It's in print, has greater weight in the court of law.

I think he was implying that he may not have had a just cause for letting you go, so he did't want to say that and get in trouble. I don't believe it was about you doing anything wrong. He is covering his but on this one so he isn't fined or sued. As I said before get in touch with your local labor board and file a complaint.

Fed Up in Wilmette, Illinois said: OUCH! Is this true Graynor?

I did not return calls (although I took one from her) because there is nothing to talk about. Her employment was terminated for reasons I cannot discuss. Her post is correct in saying that I told her that her termination did not have anything to do with her ability as a therapist. You can make from that what you want. I will maintain the anonymity of Jewel7 on this blog as I meant what I said about confidentiality but I think you can see from the number of posts and the personal attacks that she's one that has a hard time letting go of things. I'm sure you have terminated therapists at your clinic so I'm sure you get the picture.

Colorado is an at-will state.

In the ME handbook I have it says management has the right to fire someone with or without reason. But that just might be for the MA. clinics, not sure. I would also like to point out there are two sides to every story. I'm in no means calling Jewel a liar. Maybe those things did happen, I don't know. But thats beside the point. Maybe jewel should file a complaint but if Colorado is an employment at-will like Gray says it would be pointless. As a therapist I can sympathize with Jewel but I can also sympathize with Gray. I have dealt with a similar situation at my clinic. Not the same exactly cause obviously I don't know whats going on over there, but similar. There are always two sides.

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: Colorado is an at-will state.

Its not at all about having a hard time letting go, its about losing a job over a racist comment you made to me. Paint it anyway you want, KARMA!!! whether you believe in it or not. You know very well that what you did was and is unjust, KARMA will catch up to you. You only took my call yesterday because of the comments I left on this forum. Your remark "heres a hint " is a pretty direct implication that I broke the law. Your words are in print and are subject to libel defammation, so, under the state law you can fire me for any reason, ok, but on this forum you have made me to look as if I am guilty of a crime.

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: In the ME handbook I have it says management has the right to fire someone with or without reason. But that just might be for the MA. clinics, not sure. I would also like to point out there are two sides to every story. I'm in no means calling Jewel a liar. Maybe those things did happen, I don't know. But thats beside the point. Maybe jewel should file a complaint but if Colorado is an employment at-will like Gray says it would be pointless. As a therapist I can sympathize with Jewel but I can also sympathize with Gray. I have dealt with a similar situation at my clinic. Not the same exactly cause obviously I don't know whats going on over there, but similar. There are always two sides.

You are right there are always two sides of a story, I think that the way it was done and how others have told me that they had been spoken to many times and told they would be fired if changes were not made and then I never have complaints, I love everyone I worked with, including clients, and then to finish a shift and be told I no longer had a job and this was a descion that the ownership made [Gray and his family} I have to believe it was all about his comment to me, he always was kind to me , spoke with me but, the day he said that was the last time he spoke with me or looked at me. I think it is absolutely horrible what he said and has done, this kind of business dealings lack principle and integrity.But, I got his attention, he spoke with me, although it was in a round about way. I now I would not treat people like this.

jewel7 in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: Its not at all about having a hard time letting go, its about losing a job over a racist comment you made to me. Paint it anyway you want, KARMA!!! whether you believe in it or not. You know very well that what you did was and is unjust, KARMA will catch up to you. You only took my call yesterday because of the comments I left on this forum. Your remark "heres a hint " is a pretty direct implication that I broke the law. Your words are in print and are subject to libel defammation, so, under the state law you can fire me for any reason, ok, but on this forum you have made me to look as if I am guilty of a crime.

Is the racist comment the president thing? And I can't speak from Gray, I've never even met him but when I went back to read what was said and I heart massage asked him why would you reply to someone else and ignore these allegations? And his answer was: Take a wild guess as to why. Here's a hint: (lawyers and/or the sheriff's department can be involved). How does that make you look guilty of a crime? That response can mean a few things. Someone on here once told me if the shoe fits...and I'm not trying to be rude I'm just stating my opinion about something that seems to me has been blown out of proportion. This forum can evoke a lot of emotion, as does the topic of ME. Believe me I know, I have gotten a little emotional in here myself from time to time. And really why are the two of you airing all this dirty laundry on the internet? I understand he did not return phone calls until the last time. Why didn't you bring it up then on the phone and why do you come here after the fact and continue to talk about it? I don't get it

And you don't need to answer me, it was more of a rhetorical question.

Jewel 7 wrote:
What about the time one of the therapist was offered money for sex and she was told they would set his appointments with another therapist even after she filled out a formal complaint from. And it was me who said if he is in my room an
and makes those offers I will sue ME!!!!

Massage Therapist wrote:
From reading what you wrote I believe this is the reason why you were terminated. You made Gray afraid of a possible lawsuit and you would have had a legitimate complaint. A massage therapist filled out a formal complaint and Massage Envy allowed him to come back and be scheduled with another therapist. Sheesh!!! At the Massage Envy I worked at there was a client who made one of the female therapist very uncomfortable. I saw him close the door to speak with the her and I got an uncomfortable feeling myself. This therapist was told that it was all in her head that nothing was wrong with him and was made to work on him again. Massage Envy has no clue on how to handle these situations. I believe Jewel you are a strong woman who stands up for her beliefs and Gray thought you were a liability. Its all about the money he doesnt understand what it feels like to work for a living and try to survive and take care a family on a Massage Envy salary! Gray you need to play Golf with Tiger Woods. By the way are you African American Jewel 7?

Mickieann wrote:
And you don't need to answer me, it was more of a rhetorical question.

Massage Therapist wrote:
I would like to hear the answer.

I mean read the answer.

Mickieann wrote:
why do you come here after the fact and continue to talk about it? I don't get it

Massage Therapist wrote:
Jewel 7 sounds to me like a person who wears her heart on her sleeve and she feels unfairly terminated and she needed closure.

KC Good in San Diego, California said: I completely disagree with your first sentence. No is saying you should work for less or that you deserve to make less money.

If you want more money, then get a job that pays more money.

If you were working retail at Walmart and complaining about it, I would say - so get a job at Louis Vuitton and make more money.

Why should someone pay Louis Vuitton prices at Walmart?

It is brand/service and someone chooses to shop where they want to shop, and pay what they are willing to pay. You can choose to work where you want to work (or where they will hire you).

Ive read your posts, dont agree, sorry. By the way, I have changed my situation, for the better, thanks for the concern.

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: You would have to presume that everything posted on this blog is true.

But only the bad things are not true, correct???:)

KC Good in San Diego, California said: That's a bit harsh. Anger much?

You are one bitter, judgmental Nurse.

Obviously everyone here is standing up for someone who is CHOOSING to do 8 massages daily. No MT I know of that works at ME does 8 massages in a row or even in a day. That is obviously too much for one person in a day. Most people do 5 to 6 max.

I worked doing massage years ago, and I only could do 3 hours in a row without a break - and that was difficult.

So why is this person choosing to do 8 hours of massage and then complaining about it?

I suggest a schedule change? A second job? That's what I myself and everyone else seems to be doing.

Here's an idea: If it isn't working - FIX IT.

Bitter?? give me a break! Again, someone who comes here slinging criticism and nasty words about someone and something they know nothing of and Im bitter and judgmental?? Right.

i heart massage in huffman, Texas said:

This is what Gray does best.

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: Take a wild guess as to why. Here's a hint: (lawyers and/or the sheriff's department can be involved).

Of course, I forgot that card. Maybe if you threaten her enough, she will run away.

jewel7 in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: guess what, I called Gray today and he had the courage to answer my call. SURPRIZE! SURPRIZE! SO< I would like to know why a lawyer or sherriff would be called! You said to day I was not let go for my quality as a therapist, but reasons were confidental. You confuse me or is it you covering you tracks or at least trying to? And when I brought up the racist comment you made, you became angry, and yes I did say I would expose you and you said for me to get a lawyer for threating you. We both know I did not threaten you, you are just afraid. Oh, by the way you werent the only one to have the speaker phone on. I know I was done wrong. What saddens me the most is that people still in America are racist and when it is exposed the innocent take the fall so they dont have to.And I realized something else, even though you have alot more money than me, I have greater wealth that you will never haver, I have a heart that loves people for who they are in their heart and soul. But, please do tell me why lawyers or sherriffs would have been called in, if you are suggesting I did something illegal you better be able to prove that because I know I can prove 100% that I did no illegal act!!!!!

Gray intimidates by using the law. If you dare say anything that will hurt his business, look out. Well, its a free country and as long as what you say is true and you have the proof, tuff luck Gray. Intimidation will not work against knowledge. Know your rights and excercise them.

anonymous anonmous in Freehold, New Jersey said: WAIT! I was not in good form when I used the F word against Massage Envy. Maybe that is why I did not get responses. The logic and facts in my post were all true. I would like to hear about other people who were sent home early on their shifts at Massage Envy.

It happens very often.

Gray Neher in Castle Pines, Colorado said: I did not return calls (although I took one from her) because there is nothing to talk about. Her employment was terminated for reasons I cannot discuss. Her post is correct in saying that I told her that her termination did not have anything to do with her ability as a therapist. You can make from that what you want. I will maintain the anonymity of Jewel7 on this blog as I meant what I said about confidentiality but I think you can see from the number of posts and the personal attacks that she's one that has a hard time letting go of things. I'm sure you have terminated therapists at your clinic so I'm sure you get the picture.

Never had this problem, sorry.

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: Is the racist comment the president thing? And I can't speak from Gray, I've never even met him but when I went back to read what was said and I heart massage asked him why would you reply to someone else and ignore these allegations? And his answer was: Take a wild guess as to why. Here's a hint: (lawyers and/or the sheriff's department can be involved). How does that make you look guilty of a crime? That response can mean a few things. Someone on here once told me if the shoe fits...and I'm not trying to be rude I'm just stating my opinion about something that seems to me has been blown out of proportion. This forum can evoke a lot of emotion, as does the topic of ME. Believe me I know, I have gotten a little emotional in here myself from time to time. And really why are the two of you airing all this dirty laundry on the internet? I understand he did not return phone calls until the last time. Why didn't you bring it up then on the phone and why do you come here after the fact and continue to talk about it? I don't get it

Maybe she wants people to hear her story, I know it does not make ME look good and for that, many would like her to hide, but I think its good to hear her experiences.