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lmtwondering in Jacksonville, Illinois said: I would just like to throw this out there.
I have talked to many people out there just around town, and I dont know if any of you have, but I would like to point out that from the people I talked to (and I dont know everyone elses eperience on saying this) but People have told me they are okay with getting and "okay" massages. They said they would like to get two okay massages for the same price as one great massage. I know I have read quite a few of you on expressing "quality" massages. I think a place like massage envy does so well because not that many people out there has had "great" massages. So when you compare one okay massage to another okay massage people are not okay with paying higher quality prices...for what they think was great massages... did that make any sense?.

Because there are therapists that claim to be "great" but they aren't. A great therapist needs a good especialized training, experience, love this profession but also TALENT, good touch, or whatever word describe this quality. Some people just get good training but they still are not that great perfoming a massage because don't have a good touch and good energy, and also maybe they smoke, bad odor even if they take a shower, a badly breath even if they chew mints, etc. If a MT charge too much for a massage when the massage he/she gives is not that great,then he/she very soon it's not going to have clients or requests and soon has to lower his/her rates or quit this profession.But it's funny, because the most of the people I know, they prefer not wasting their money in an "ok" massage and prefer paying a little more for a great massage. I personally work on my own, and I don't charge my clients if they think the massage wasn't great.And that has never happened, actually I get lots of referrals and the 90% of my new clients become regulars.That's when you know you are great!

I never said it was my clients makeing these statements for one. I was talking to people out and around town.. like hey.. let me ask you something, and most of the time that was the response I got.
2. I 110 percent agree with the sex thing
That is a very true statement. I will tell you another reason that happens. In other countries the "massage houses" are actually for sexual relations I think some people who have never been into an american massage place dont get it. I have been out talking to people not from here visiting and I have actually had people seriosly ask me " Well I dont understand why I would go get a massage if I didnt get aroused from it" That is sick isnt it!!!!

lmtwondering in Jacksonville, Illinois said: I never said it was my clients makeing these statements for one. I was talking to people out and around town.. like hey.. let me ask you something, and most of the time that was the response I got.
2. I 110 percent agree with the sex thing
That is a very true statement. I will tell you another reason that happens. In other countries the "massage houses" are actually for sexual relations I think some people who have never been into an american massage place dont get it. I have been out talking to people not from here visiting and I have actually had people seriosly ask me " Well I dont understand why I would go get a massage if I didnt get aroused from it" That is sick isnt it!!!!

Yes very sick,but it's our job as a licensed professionals to report ALL this disgusting and unethical behavior from other "therapists" or people who work giving massages to the department of health, so they can get arrested.

lmtwondering that is very true. A lot of the clients that come into the location I am at are new to massage. They do not know what a "great" massage is because they have nothing to compare it to. However, I'm speaking on my experience only, I have had many of my clients, who have had massage for many years, tell me that my massage was better then massages they have received at places like Canyon Ranch or The Mandarin Oriental Hotel. So you do bring up a valid point. But in my case my clients do know the difference, thats why I'm the most requested at my location. And I would just like to stress I know this is not how it is at every location.

lmtwondering in Jacksonville, Illinois said: I never said it was my clients makeing these statements for one. I was talking to people out and around town.. like hey.. let me ask you something, and most of the time that was the response I got.
2. I 110 percent agree with the sex thing
That is a very true statement. I will tell you another reason that happens. In other countries the "massage houses" are actually for sexual relations I think some people who have never been into an american massage place dont get it. I have been out talking to people not from here visiting and I have actually had people seriosly ask me " Well I dont understand why I would go get a massage if I didnt get aroused from it" That is sick isnt it!!!!

It is, but the people Im talking about are not newbies to getting massage. There are quite a few peole around here that think its ok to ask and they are not from different countries. In order to open a franchise in some areas here you actually need to have a adult entertainment license! That shows you that as a profession we have a long way to go yet and these "clinics" do not make it any easier to gain respect for this field. If you dont respect what you do, neither will anyone else and offering cut rate ok massages and having people upset because their therapists are leaving every month, along with management, will not help the rest of us that are serious about our field and educating the public.

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: lmtwondering that is very true. A lot of the clients that come into the location I am at are new to massage. They do not know what a "great" massage is because they have nothing to compare it to. However, I'm speaking on my experience only, I have had many of my clients, who have had massage for many years, tell me that my massage was better then massages they have received at places like Canyon Ranch or The Mandarin Oriental Hotel. So you do bring up a valid point. But in my case my clients do know the difference, thats why I'm the most requested at my location. And I would just like to stress I know this is not how it is at every location.

Of course! getting a massage in an upscale luxurious resort and paying almost $200 for it (including taxes and tips), doesn't mean it's a great massage! again, that price it's mostly for ambiance and luxury, not for the massage itself. But the difference between a massage at ME and at a luxurious resort, it's that a good therapist at ME, will quit very soon, but a bad therapist in a resort, will be fired very soon.

With the sex thing it can happen anywhere. It has not happened to me at ME but I believe that it has happened to a couple of other female therapists at my location. I would like to also add that I had a few run ins with this at the private practice I used to work at. So far at ME I have not. I'm sure price comes into play somewhat, but with an established company like ME, the more popular it becomes, the less likelihood that would happen. At least thats my opinion.

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: With the sex thing it can happen anywhere. It has not happened to me at ME but I believe that it has happened to a couple of other female therapists at my location. I would like to also add that I had a few run ins with this at the private practice I used to work at. So far at ME I have not. I'm sure price comes into play somewhat, but with an established company like ME, the more popular it becomes, the less likelihood that would happen. At least thats my opinion.

I cant agree with that. Quality and price points weigh heavely on that.

Well I believe I'm a good therapist. I have specialized training, and plan to do more CEU's. My clients are all requests, and I work hard. I get paid above what the average is at ME, and I have been working there for almost a year. I also do not plan on quitting anytime soon.

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: Well I believe I'm a good therapist. I have specialized training, and plan to do more CEU's. My clients are all requests, and I work hard. I get paid above what the average is at ME, and I have been working there for almost a year. I also do not plan on quitting anytime soon.

If you are good and have lots of requests at ME, you are wasting money and effort there, you can have the same number of requests somewhere else and getting better paid.That's so silly,but well... it's up to you. It's your body and your life.Good luck.

LMT/CMT this is totally off topic but I was wondering if you have any suggestions on restaurants or things to do in Phoenix. I have never been and I'm going for a short visit in a few weeks and I have some free time while I'm out there to explore. So if you have any suggestions....

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: LMT/CMT this is totally off topic but I was wondering if you have any suggestions on restaurants or things to do in Phoenix. I have never been and I'm going for a short visit in a few weeks and I have some free time while I'm out there to explore. So if you have any suggestions....

Old town Scottsdale is very nice. They have many different resatraunts there along with a nice park and stores. They also have concerts downtown and theatre. Desert Ridge Mall off the 101 is nice also. its almost like a city in a city.

-k- thanxs :)

"We do not allow vulgar language, personal attacks, or advertising in our forums. Please edit your comment appropriately."
whatever i didnt do any of those things.

sooner or later someones going to get favored and burned out and/or leave while the others are getting paid minimum wage for =or<25 hours of massage. if your used to making $40 or even more for on-site... minimum wage for massage is a slap in the face.

i want to do hot/cold stone massage but the owner knows nothing about it! i almost want to draw him a map! and supposedly we cant use our own stones, we have to use 'massage envy' stones. probably have the freaking logo on them.

oh, and i forgot to mention that the soap charts for ME blows! at least ours do. it was a unanimous decision from the therapists but no change has been made. also, im used to doing my own insurance billing but what does ME do? who knows how much they are making off of insurance, 1000, 2000%?

Anyone reading this forum for any length of time will notice certain writing styles. To those of you who think you can change your name and appear like you are someone else are not fooling anyone. You sound exactly the same no matter what name you use. I have noticed it quite a bit in this forum lately. Which makes me wonder why you have to change your name so often? Makes you wonder if a person like this would know how to be honest!!

an LMT in Lake Oswego, Oregon said: "We do not allow vulgar language, personal attacks, or advertising in our forums. Please edit your comment appropriately."
whatever i didnt do any of those things.

sooner or later someones going to get favored and burned out and/or leave while the others are getting paid minimum wage for =or<25 hours of massage. if your used to making $40 or even more for on-site... minimum wage for massage is a slap in the face.

i want to do hot/cold stone massage but the owner knows nothing about it! i almost want to draw him a map! and supposedly we cant use our own stones, we have to use 'massage envy' stones. probably have the freaking logo on them.

ITS OWNERSHIP.... wow... our massage envy was allowed to use the therapists own stones if they wanted. Its not massage envy... its the ownership/management...see how the rules change from one massage envy to another... I dont understand how they can call this a franchise

Anyelina in Deerfield Beach, Florida said: If you are good and have lots of requests at ME, you are wasting money and effort there, you can have the same number of requests somewhere else and getting better paid.That's so silly,but well... it's up to you. It's your body and your life.Good luck.

Some people like the satisfaction of going into work not cleaning up the room not paying for sheets not paying for cream. It is more of a confort zone. Its not always about dollar to dollar its sometimes about conveinience of gong to work takeing clients going home

lmtwondering in Jacksonville, Illinois said: Some people like the satisfaction of going into work not cleaning up the room not paying for sheets not paying for cream. It is more of a confort zone. Its not always about dollar to dollar its sometimes about conveinience of gong to work takeing clients going home

So at ME the therapists don't need to clean up the room? In ALL spas the therapists have to pay for supplies? I don't think so!! your argument doesn't make sense. And of course, it's not always about the dollar to dollar, it's about making a decent living without burning out your body, because again, in order to help others, we have to take care ourselves, and at ME, you can't make a decent living and at the same time not burning your body out!

Technically a franchise is a business or group of businesses that have the authorization to sell or distribute a company's goods or services. I looked it up. It didn't say anything about having to have the same rules. I do agree with you however that there should be a little more uniformity when it comes to those types of things. Not only would it be better for ME's therapists but it would give other therapists who do not like ME less reason to hate them so much.

You can make a decent living at ME. I do, so it is possible. And we do have to clean the rooms, its in the job description. I also take care of myself, I don't do, nor am I bullied into doing more than I can handle. At my location if full time therapists hit the minimum units they need to qualify them as full time, they get compt a free hr. I know thats probably not the case at the other ME's but it is at mine.

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: You can make a decent living at ME. I do, so it is possible. And we do have to clean the rooms, its in the job description. I also take care of myself, I don't do, nor am I bullied into doing more than I can handle. At my location if full time therapists hit the minimum units they need to qualify them as full time, they get compt a free hr. I know thats probably not the case at the other ME's but it is at mine.

A "decent living" for a massage therapist is not $15 per massage before taxes.One thing it's PER HOUR, and other thing it's PER MASSAGE. Two different things.So,how many clients you have to see per day to make a decent living? how can you not burn yourself for giving 8 massages in a row for 5/6 days a week? and even if you have the flexibility to choose your shift hours and not "doing more that you can't handle", the less your hours are, the less money you make, so to make a "decent living" you have to see a lot of clients per day. That means, you have to choose between making a decent living by stressing your body out (and being very tired for your last client in case you are that busy), or not stressing your body but not making a fair earning.

But anyways, I don't think that at ALL ME's, ALL therapists are very busy, having each one minimum 6 clients per shift, for 5/6 days a week.I know that a lot of therapists at ME sit around doing nothing for hours waiting for a client, and that time is not paid!! so.. it's that for you a decent living?? We absolutely have a different perspective of this topic!

Anyelina in Deerfield Beach, Florida said: So at ME the therapists don't need to clean up the room? In ALL spas the therapists have to pay for supplies? I don't think so!! your argument doesn't make sense. And of course, it's not always about the dollar to dollar, it's about making a decent living without burning out your body, because again, in order to help others, we have to take care ourselves, and at ME, you can't make a decent living and at the same time not burning your body out!

i NEVER stated ALL spas you had to pay for your supplies. AGAIN>>>> DIfferent massage envys different rules... so YES I DID NOT NEED TO CLEAN MY ROOM. I am getting spoken to on this site like Im an idiot for likeing my job. I am saying this and this only.. The massage envys all have different rules like the spas... so............ SOME people on here no matter what you say they need to argue... well argue away... keep your negative attitude... try to convince people they are going to hate thier job before they start...etc...etc... good luck to you. I think your a negative nasty person. Look back at all of the comments you made and I dare you to find postive in any of them. If you reply to this I wont even be reading it anymore, Its pointless. Your gong to cut me down. I cant have an intellegent argument with you. Good luck to you, as for the rest of you. Let me just say this to the newbies. If you have a ME interview. Do this, go to three or four of the ME's and you will find different rules and different things expected. Yes.. the ME that treat their therapists bad will not thrive but their are ones that are run well. Ask questions at your interview about booking and how the place is ran. Every place of employment has its own problems. Bye for now best of luck to everyone

ps
If you use your body weight instead of your upper body streangth to do the massage you should be fine doing 5 massages per day maybe even 8... maybe not every day but most days depending on the clients
okay... now Im leaving.. .bye again

You might know some therapist that work at ME but I'm sure you don't know them all or how busy each location is. Nor do I. I'm sure there are locations that are slow, but some are busy too. I've stated on here before I make above what the average is at ME per massage. In addition to that I get the requests bonus and my tips are great. I also do not see 8 clients a day nor does anyone in my clinic, and I work 5 days a week. And I said above we get compt a free 1 hr treatment if you hit the min. units a wk to be considered full time. I am also aware that not every location does this.

lmtwondering in Jacksonville, Illinois said: The massage envys all have different rules like the spas... so............ SOME people on here no matter what you say they need to argue... well argue away... keep your negative attitude... try to convince people they are going to hate thier job before they start

Haha! ok,this is my second and last comment to you because I have read your childish comments here (you sound like 19 years old or less, honestly) and it's a waste of time arguing with you. All my comments are negative because this forum it's about Massage Envy and for me and for more people this chain of franchises ARE NEGATIVE FOR THIS PROFESSION. You say there are different rules at different ME'S, so,what kind of business is the one that the only similar in it's franchises it's the name and the purple color on their facilities and advertising??
We are warning the people here telling the truth about ME and how this business affect negatively this industry.But if therapists still love this business and want to keep working there, it's because they are not that good for working somewhere else and have a very mediocre point of view about their ambitions and succeess in this field. So,you are the one who needs the luck, not me! keep working there and let the good people find a better place to work! bye bye!

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: You might know some therapist that work at ME but I'm sure you don't know them all or how busy each location is. Nor do I. I'm sure there are locations that are slow, but some are busy too. I've stated on here before I make above what the average is at ME per massage. In addition to that I get the requests bonus and my tips are great. I also do not see 8 clients a day nor does anyone in my clinic, and I work 5 days a week. And I said above we get compt a free 1 hr treatment if you hit the min. units a wk to be considered full time. I am also aware that not every location does this.

Again, if you are that good... you are wasting your effort and talent at ME, you can build clientele in other spa where you can get better paid and has more benefits, but if that's what you want, ok! have fun!

I'm going to Quote an Advice column in the May Issue of Massage Magazine "Massage franchises are exposing more people to massage who might otherwise never get a massage- and since massage is so beneficial, many more people are receiving massage as a result. All the marketing dollars franchises are spending might actually be preparing the market for you and your services- so it will help to focus on gratitude, rather than frustration."

lmtwondering in Jacksonville, Illinois said: ps
If you use your body weight instead of your upper body streangth to do the massage you should be fine doing 5 massages per day maybe even 8... maybe not every day but most days depending on the clients
okay... now Im leaving.. .bye again

Thank you, but I learnt body mechanics also at massage school. And I have given alsp 8/9 massages in a row when I was working at a spa, but working that hard and getting paid $15 per massage and depending on tips to get a fair rate?? give me a break!

In Florida maybe thats true, but places around here don't offer benefits. Thats one of the main reasons why I left the private practice I was at before to work at ME

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: In Florida maybe thats true, but places around here don't offer benefits. Thats one of the main reasons why I left the private practice I was at before to work at ME

But, have you tried other place to work rather than ME? I know plenty of spas that they offer good benefits and better benefits that ME. And I have read here, that not at all ME's they even offer standard benefits. I still think you are wasting your effort at this place, you can get lots of requests and better benefits somewhere else.

Other then the private practice I was at before, no. I have no reason to try other places. I get good benefits, I get paid good, I'm not overworked, and I love my clientèle, not to mention the company I work for. I'm young, and I don't have anyone else to support besides myself so ME is a good fit for me. And if I'm happy working there it does not make me gullible, or an unskilled therapist, or a liar, as some people on this forum have called me in the past. Also I'm not naive, I know I am not in the majority. But it just goes to show that it is possible, even if working at a place like ME that you can do well. I can respect what your saying but in my case its not true.

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: I'm going to Quote an Advice column in the May Issue of Massage Magazine "Massage franchises are exposing more people to massage who might otherwise never get a massage- and since massage is so beneficial, many more people are receiving massage as a result. All the marketing dollars franchises are spending might actually be preparing the market for you and your services- so it will help to focus on gratitude, rather than frustration."

Sorry, I cant agree with that one. I think these franchises are doing more harm than good.

Your entitled to your opinion, and a lot of therapists agree with you. However a lot of therapists disagree with you as well. I just started to read the articles about franchises in the different massage magazines out there. It seems that the tide is turning, at least thats the impression I got from the few articles I have come across so far. Then I came across this site and realized maybe not everyone thinks franchises are a good thing, but it does not change how I view them.

To Mickieann 10:
You do not understand the value of money, so you do not realize that Massage Envy is exploiting you and maybe even laughing at you when they count their money. That, or you are a PR Troll of some kind.
Also, I agree with LMT/CMT Arizona that the franchises have a negative effect.

Based on what I have written here I do not see how you get the impression that I do not understand the value of money. And again I'm being called a PR troll. Honestly, the only trolls I knew of were the dolls. So I took it upon myself to look it up. By making your last post you have caused an emotional response in me (the emotions being irritation and anger). And the very definition I found was: someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. So if that was not your intent I'm sorry but thats how it came off. And as I said to LMT/CMT, your entitled to your opinion.

To MicKieann 10:
O'Contraire regarding my comments being irrelavant as they pertain to what Massage Envy pays and their low compensation is the main reason why there are several thousand negative posts about them on this web site.

I was referring to your last comment, as I stated. Not the past comments you have made about ME's pay. Weather or not you think I do not understand the value of money was irreverent to the current topic we were discussing.

Read the Massage magazine, April edition article regarding franchises. The concept of franchises is fine. It is nice to read that more and more new franchises are being developed that:
- welcome MT as owners and managers
- aren't undercutting the industry by charging customers 25% less and paying MT 50% less than the normal hourly massage rate

Competition will help fine tune the concept of franchise massage. If ME wants to continue to compete with massage school programs offering low priced massage from therapists in training, fine, let them. Those of us with experience and training will end of working for franchises that respect our ability, charge customers appropriately and pay us accordingly. Word to the wise - refuse to sign non-competes. It is you, not the franchise that is providing the experience and education. The franchise is offering no copyrighted or patented service or product that warrants a non-compete.

Putting your operating procedures and benefits in writing is impressive. Other suggestions:
- work with a MT to establish room sizes and layout - they vary from ME clinic to clinic based on the owner's insincere efforts or lack thereof. MT need room to do stretches with clients and to work using a stool for foot and head MT. Construction needs to be supervised so a contractor doesn't just add sofits, bumpouts, etc. thinking "that corner won't be needed, there's plenty of room for a table".
- make proper air exhange a priority without heat/sir being controlled separately than the reception staff.
- include an employee entrance so employees don't have to walk though customer waiting areas - this is a plus for both customers and MT allowing MT to change (like a clinic, hospital or even McDs). Have a massage charting/laundry/break room that will actually accomodate at least 50% of the staff at any time and include a window or door with glass to outside - we are not gophers and need to see the light of day ocassionally.
- Provide a variety of quality oils/lotions/creams etc.
- Install more than one sink in the "charting" room for washing hands.
- Provide everyone with a small locker.
- Provide all staff with basic sexual harrassment and business conduct.
- Don't allow lying to cover up scheduling errors by front desk staff
- make appointments based on employee seniority, not the alphabet (I couldn't believe this one).
- Have the insurance company make a presentation with a Q&A like other businesses do. If you say you are going to offer insurance, 401k, profit sharing, etc... actually do it.
The concept of franchise isn't flawed, it is just the way some companies/individuals are using it.
Best of luck!

To Mickinean 10:

I may have been rash calling you a troll -- you, to my recollection, have not broken up discussions, you are simply the opposition; I do; however, stand by my comment that you do not understand the value of money. If you understood the value of money, you would not be working at Massage Envy.
Msny Americans are losing their homes, yet you are okay making half of what you could be making.
A newbie who understands the concept of money might work there while waiting for something better, but you have told all of us comments indicating that you are quite good, yet you still work there. I am not saying do not work, but I am saying you should get a better paying massage therapist job, to help the field of massage (newbies should work in another field until they get a respectable offer that is gainful). You do not seem to care either way how much you make, so if you make more, I guess it won't bother you. Help us all by getting something better and quiting. Each person who quits Massage Envy is another person they need to replace. When a lot of people quit, they will no longer be able to do the high volume of massages that make their low prices possible.

To Mts Paul:
Hell no -- I have the training and experience and I will not work for a franchise.
I realize that your intentions are good -- most of what you wrote like not signing a non-compete clause is good advise. I have never signed one in my life although I was asked to once at a dead end job years before I was a massage therapist. I still had the job after not signing it.

Many Americans are losing there homes. So whats so bad about me making $30-60/per hour and yes its per hour because I'm busy. Just like the rest of America I'm just trying to pay the bills. I just have the luxury of being able to do so while doing what I love. I believe in order to really say that I do not understand the value of money, you need to know what I make every 2 wks, and how I spend my money, and what the local market in the greater Boston are is. Which you do not. Just because I work at ME does not mean I do not know the value of money. And Thanxs for admitting the troll thing was inappropriate. I don't like being called things I am not and frankly I don't think anyone does. Thats why I thought it stopped in elementary school.

And the 30-60 range is with tips. Just to clarify

Mickieann10 in Norwood, Massachusetts said: Many Americans are losing there homes. So whats so bad about me making $30-60/per hour and yes its per hour because I'm busy. Just like the rest of America I'm just trying to pay the bills. I just have the luxury of being able to do so while doing what I love. I believe in order to really say that I do not understand the value of money, you need to know what I make every 2 wks, and how I spend my money, and what the local market in the greater Boston are is. Which you do not. Just because I work at ME does not mean I do not know the value of money. And Thanxs for admitting the troll thing was inappropriate. I don't like being called things I am not and frankly I don't think anyone does. Thats why I thought it stopped in elementary school.

What you have to realize is that not all locations are like yours and second, its a whole different story when you are a male therapist. I worked with 2 other guys at ME and we never saw those numbers.

LMT/CMT in Phoenix, Arizona said: What you have to realize is that not all locations are like yours and second, its a whole different story when you are a male therapist. I worked with 2 other guys at ME and we never saw those numbers.

So it's fair if someone comes on here just to bash ME because that's the popular opinion and no one says anything negative to them even though not all locations are the same but when people come on here with good experiences, they get attacked. Funny how that works out...

To Tranettew:
So it's fair for most massage places in NJ to pay 50 % of their fee towards compensation, so a Massage Therapist earns $30 or more per hour, but Massage Envy breaks tradition paying a measley $15 per massage. And you stick up for Massage Envy. More funny (actually sad) how that works?

tranettew in Chicago, Illinois said: So it's fair if someone comes on here just to bash ME because that's the popular opinion and no one says anything negative to them even though not all locations are the same but when people come on here with good experiences, they get attacked. Funny how that works out...

Thats the whole point isnt it. I know not all locations are the same, thats the problem. For a franchise, there seem to be no rules or regulations of whats expected from these owners and certain things that will never be able to be inforced. So there is inconsitancy. Personally I dont care if anyone chooses to work there or not. If it works for you thats fine, but when you have this many therapists complaining of the same issues from all over it gets a little suspicious. Its fine to say that I wouldnt know because I have not worked at all locations, but when you have dozens of people just on this site alone, make the same arguments from different states, its no longer just one location anymore is it. Agin, all you have to do is look at turnover. They hire therapists and managers every 2 months. If you think thats the way to run a business and you think thats the way to have a successful business long term, then you better keep working for someone, because your business sense needs some improvement. ME has been around for only 7yrs or so. They may be able to unload these francises to investors, but that does not mean that the product is good. Having this many problems and only concentrating on the "numbers" to make sure that the good out weighs the bad, rather than not being satisfied with bad and fixing it is bad business. Think waht you want, I wont change your mind and Im not trying to, but realize that you aslo wont change the minds of people that have been in this field for more than 10 yrs on whats good for this industry.

tranettew in Chicago, Illinois said: So it's fair if someone comes on here just to bash ME because that's the popular opinion and no one says anything negative to them even though not all locations are the same but when people come on here with good experiences, they get attacked. Funny how that works out...

And by the way, I think its funny that you only choose to answer one part of my last post. What about male therapists??? Are you going to tell me they are averaging 6-7 massages a day also? They more than likely do about 3-4 in a 7 hr shift. How do they survive $15 hr?? Ive been in this industry too long to fall for these lame excuses, you are not talking to someone just out of school or someone with 1-2yrs experience.

LMT/CMT in Phoenix, Arizona said: What you have to realize is that not all locations are like yours and second, its a whole different story when you are a male therapist. I worked with 2 other guys at ME and we never saw those numbers.

I do realize that not all locations are like that. I have said so in my past posts. As far as being different for male therapists, I cannot comment on that because I am not one. I can only attest to the fact that all the therapist, male and female, are booked, for the most part, the whole time they are there. At my location, just so theres no confusion.

And I would also like to point out that every large company has people that complain about working there, from different parts of the country, about the same issues. Type in a name of one in the search engine on this page and look in those forums. The same thing is going on there. So its not an indication that a company will not survive. Its an indication that not every place of employment is perfect, ME included. Like you stated yourself not all locations are like the one you, and other therapists here, have worked at. There is a lot of negative experiences on this forum, all I'm trying to do is share my positive experience. That way an individual therapist looking on here for information about the company has both the negative and the positive experiences to draw from. That way they can make an informed decision on weather ME is the place for them or not.