Where are the jobs in our country

Where are the jobs in our country please tell me.

They're in China, Mexico, the Philippines, Vietnam, and a host of other countries that stole our jobs. Thank you Republican and Democrat sellouts!

They are also all over our country -- but if you are over 40, have experience, education, trustworthy, dependable, and hardworking --- they don't want you. [because a decent compensation needs to be paid for all of that]

Been with and without jobs since 2003 but outsourced, temped, and applying for full-time permanent positions each and every week -- managed to get 4 YEP a whole 4 interviews -- and most wanting to pay 1/2 of what I was making in the end or stated I was OVERQUALIFIED!

Jobless Female in Washington, District of Columbia said: ...if you are over 40, have experience, education, trustworthy, dependable, and hardworking --- they don't want you. [because a decent compensation needs to be paid for all of that]

Oh sure. Anyone can just go to any place of business in the US and you will not find ONE single person working today who is over the age of 40.

In fact, it only takes those unemployed "over forty" people about five years to run out of money and finally starve to death, so you will not find a person even ALIVE on the streets of the US who is older than 45.

It is so bad they no longer sell birthday cards that go beyond 39. Even sadder is the fact that all those people would have survived if they had only been smart enough to accept reality, change their lifestyle and take a lower wage. :)

Seriously, it is a big mistake to just ignore the times and believe you deserve a high wage when you start getting older. It is like refusing to buy gasoline until the price goes back down to 32 cents per gallon.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: employers will tell such candidates they are overqualified. ...employers never believe them. ...employers have just met them and don't try to get to know them, they ALWAYS *assume* the person will leave the job shortly.

I was being facetious there about there being nobody over 40 working. It was what the other poster seemed to be implying with the "they don't want you" statement.

As I have said in other conversations, unemployment is not the time to throw one's hands up and panic. MOST people are employed no matter what the unemployment rate is. You just got to fit into that group however you can do it.

I admit I see a glass as being half full instead of half empty and many people can't understand that. It IS reality, however. If you think you are going to fail you will. It is a fact of life.

You may all hate me for the statement but I HAVE managed to survive on the planet longer than many of you. I have been employed far beyond the age of 40 or 55. You people have only ten or twenty more years to survive before you get to where I am. I am just trying to teach you how to do that just like your parents taught you how to make it through the first 25 years of your life.

I am reminded of the saying... Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for the rest of his life. I am teaching you how to fish for a job.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: They may have been fine thirty or forty years ago, but they don't work today.

But they are still working for me today. Your father was right. Some approaches are good no matter what the age. Having a positive attitude (as example) has always worked throughout history. Panic has always resulted in disaster.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: You can represent yourself to companies every way you have suggested, but companies don't want to listen. I don't think you realize how competitive the job market has become.

I am sorry it is not working for you but it works for me. they listen and they hire me. Not for a career position but what I am talking about is just getting out of unemployment.

Conversations on this subject are spread all over this forum but to address the topic of this particular thread, the answer is.. the jobs are everywhere.

For example. What's wrong with this job?

jobs-arrow.icims.com/arrow_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=7342&mode=view&sn=Indeed

Here is a part time one:

colorado.jobing.com/Job_Details2.asp?JobID=1015044

And here is a staffing agency that does nothing but staff in your field:

www.coloradolegalstaffing.com/

More:

denver.craigslist.org/lgl/

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: In your case, sir/ma'am, with all due respect...

For what it matters, it's "Sir" but some people call me an old fart. :)

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Continued...

Clearly, your needs and mine are different. I would like to say you would whistle a different tune if your needs and mine were the same, but I'm sure you'd have an answer for that as well.

Okay. You tell me the correct answer. If you were me, what advice would you give yourself? (It's called role playing and it works).

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Continued...

Clearly, your needs and mine are different. I would like to say you would whistle a different tune if your needs and mine were the same, but I'm sure you'd have an answer for that as well.

I absolutely LOVE YOU right now! Thank you for putting a huge smile on my face!!

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: I don't have a correct or incorrect answer. If I had advice for myself, I would have given it to myself long ago. If I were you, before dispensing employment and job seeking advice, I would update myself on today's employment market. Except for fudging experience downward and refusing health benefits ONLY JUST TO GET A JOB, your ideas are familiar and old.

Perhaps you will agree that just imagining that all is lost isn't the way to go either?

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Jobless Female in Washington, District of Columbia: "I absolutely LOVE YOU right now!"

Wanna go out sometime?? ;)

Awwwwww. Love on the internet. Ain't life bootiful? :)

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Jobless Female in Washington, District of Columbia: "I absolutely LOVE YOU right now!"

Wanna go out sometime?? ;)

Sure!! I think that we would have a lot to laugh about! Reality vs. Imaginative Living
21st Century vs. the Stone Age
Helpfulness vs. Degradation

Tim Austin in Eddy, Texas said: Where are the jobs in our country please tell me.

What are you looking for? According to many surveys, you will need to learn Spanish as a second language for communications purposes. US Government TS/CSI clearances are in high demand. In your regional location you should be well suited to have come to this realization and know the best opportunites and money goes to those who can communicate with non english speaking workers. This is a market reality. We can all sit around and complain, but until we learn that in the Global Economy, quantity not quality is what drives the markets, regardless of the commodity, you will have to accept the jobs of old are gone to those who do them for a sustanence far below our economic standard. I know it is sad that we grew up in a time when hard work was expected, appreciated and generosly rewarded. Those times are gone, except for those who go to college and specialize in markets that are emerging. Most of them are starting life out in an enourmous amount of debt, getting an above average education for entry level jobs. Read the postings here, they are full of highly educated people who either are over qualified, over compensated and just have a hard time dealing with the mind set of the Good Ol' USA way of thinking does not exist for most of us. So at minimum, learn more about your market, develop the skills you need, make connections with people in that market and keep trying. You will need to be even more competitive and resouceful to use your skills and talents to gain a position. Better luck to you.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: 1 Smart Lady in Baltimore, Maryland: "What are you looking for? According to many surveys, you will need to learn Spanish as a second language for communications purposes."

Good observation. In the legal profession, at least in Denver, more and more firms want Spanish-speaking legal assistants. You can see it in the job ads and postings.

"I know it is sad that we grew up in a time when hard work was expected, appreciated and generously rewarded. Those times are gone...."

Isn't that the truth? Hard work is still expected, but is not appreciated or rewarded, nor is loyalty and conscientiousness.

Thanks for your post.

So, have you thought about hanging out your own shingle, specializing in what you do best or do you need more education? Not being funny, but a lawyer with of your personal humble traits would be a gem to those seeking good and valuable advice in your subjects of expertise. Did you try checking out sologig for consulting? Recall, I am here in the land of legalism with DC just down the road. Just a thought...

Never say die, say, I have talent just finding that perfect place to apply it is the trick. I too am finding it very disheartening to find so many, less talented and experienced workers replace my finely honed skills. Let's not even speak of proper language skills, spelling or basic etiquite. It takes a lifetime of experience to build these skills and most of this is considered "Old School" and a quaint notion of what it used to take to get by. You can't lie about anything you have acheived to dumb it down and you can't inflate to overacheive. It is what it is. So, the only reason I commented is like me, those who have come to this realization, should look inward to hone your other natural talents and hang out that shingle. I like art and have a pretty good hand although, I am in Administration. I want more out of life than you can get out of finding a job with limited potential dictated by some mathematical calculation upon which your numeric value is assigned an meager increase annually based upon some fictional number generated to falsly inflate the value of the work you produce. When in fact, the value of the work you produce is measured in the relationships you hone with your clients, business partners and internal good work. You can polish a turd and make it smell like a rose but underneath it still stinks. No one can put a price on that, if they could, the work we all are missing would still be here in the good old USA.

Intriguing notion! I have a question. Consider the following scenarios:

Person "A" dumbs down their credentials, is hired and becomes such a valuable employee that if the discrepancy is discovered, the employer forgives the white lies.

Person "B" dumbs down their credentials in order to get actual face time with the interviewer; explains their reasoning and manages to sell themselves to the interviewer - thereby having an equal chance to compete for the position regardless of age.

Person "C" tells the exact truth on their resume and never is called for the interview.

My opinion is:

"A" = Unrealistic.
"B" = Good tactic in a competitive environment.
"C" = Continued unemployment.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Do you want your new employer to think that you're a liar?

Of course not, but if person "B" came clean in the interview it might be resolved. "Oh Sorry! I thought you meant "at least" this much experience." Leaving out the other years is, as you say, not volunteering unnecessary information.

I personally see it more as just good advertising. It is normal on both sides of the game to see a statement such as "10+ years experience." That can be 12 years or 20 years.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Don't forget Hitler's Big Lie theory.

That is a good exposition of Godwin's law. The law states that, "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." :)

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Both are somewhat true, i.e., material misrepresentations, hence "big lies." Sort of being somewhat pregnant.

You are absolutely correct of course. I suppose I am looking at the whole employment issue as more like an advertising aspect of business and not so much a precise case of legal/ethical details.

For example, everyone knows that TIDE isn't really a "washday miracle." I doubt the company was ever required to prove that statement in a court of law. If a person "sells" themselves as the virtual "employee you just gotta hire," is it any different?

Displaced, I believe I know the perfect job for you. This isn't the perfect one but the clues are there.

jobsearch.ihispano.com/careers/jobsearch/detail?jobId=3260093

Another clue is Turner Broadcasting in Atlanta.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: You have amazing perception. Thanks for posting.

I cheated. :) I just went back and read every word you have written for the last 8 months (well half of it so far). I must say that I am not easily impressed but God, woman. You are a spectacular person! I retract everything negative I ever said to or about you. Someone with your credentials does not need to dumb down. You just need to go for higher goals where petty things like age don't come into play.

It is a shame you don't like working for yourself. My opinion is you could make a fortune writing a book.

For once I agree with JF. I love ya too. :)

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Oh, so you are also "Senior Citizen in Atlanta"??? I hope you are not. However, if you are, frankly, I don't give a damn what you think of me. Not that it should matter, but you got my sex wrong, too.

Of course it matters! So you are a MAN who basically was told he was "too timid" by the last boss? Huh??

You have had three wonderful careers during your life (which would be spectacular accomplishments for a woman - not that spectacular for a man) and you can't find anything in all of that to get a job? You are afraid to go out there into the world and stand on your own two feet and start your own company and have to work for someone else?

I don't understand. You are different from any man I ever met. I have to say that after reading extensively of what you have written there was no clue you were a man but plenty of feminine attributes.

I think you ought to go out there and grab the proverbial bull by the horns and mold the world to be the way you want it. That's what men do. Women are the ones who sit around and sob about the conditions of life and seek help from others.

As for me being Senior Citizen or not you are confused there as well. How could a person be someone you hate, yet you wish to believe I have amazing perception? :)

I have the credibility of achieving the American Dream - to have been successful in life, enjoyed wealth and made it to retirement alive where I don't have to work anymore.

You seem to be giving up at age 56. What ya gonna do for the next 6 years? Will your savings last that long?

Displaced: I knew immediately that the individual was a poser. I also know that this 'poser' has stated that they were unemployed, applied at other positions, yet states is living the American Dream. If the American Dream is to berate, degrade, lack character, and have a black heart - as this individual strikes with venom, spends all day ripping apart anyone who is going through these unemployable times, has no respect for women or men, and feels they have the answers to every situation on this board is in dire need of professional help. My 'professional' told me the other day that this ones postings, since they are convinced that what they say is 'right' is a very insecure, most likely highly volatile, individual who is seeking self-gratification in purposely hurting others. My 'professional' also stated that this one is very lonely and most likely create imaginery friends to justify their statements. To say that a man is timid because he isn't a browbeater, like himself, doesn't mean that he himself is indeed a man of great strength, but one that lacks respect for his fellow man, women, or children. He deems himself, in his own mind, a self-proclaimed miracle worker, when in fact, he is only out to cause more harm than good.
AGAIN, ignorance is bliss and obviously this one lives in his own world and he is the only God of his world, as he is the only one in his own world. He lacks empathy and will start a debate with those HE THINKS are weak, when in essence, he is the weak one. He obviously wasn't raised with any morales. Pity him, but don't give him your strength, as he needs to feel somebody elses strength in order to get his definitions from Wikipedia.

You know what they say: A person with too much time on their hands only leads to trouble.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Thanks for your comments.

I do have a plan for the next six years. I'm moving to North Jersey. I heard The Soprano enterprises has some openings.

Have a nice Sunday.

You have a nice Sunday too!

The poser doesn't understand that one "COULD" doesn't mean "WILL" achieve prosperity.

The 'RIDDLER' also assumed you were female, when you are male; as well as assuming that I am a black person. The "Riddler" also was exposed and lost to "BATMAN".

The "Riddler" is also a made up cartoon character, which applies so well. The "Riddler" was the Bad Guy!

The "Riddler" also had a big ? mark on his outfit and only spoke in Riddles. Which means he had nothing definitive to say in the first place.

The "Riddler" was created by Marvel Comics but didn't state that the "Riddler" was a Marvel themselves. The "Riddler" is a joke upon himself.

Displaced: You are most welcome! It is a beautiful day outside and it is time to go and enjoy this most wonderful day! Hang in there and know that I don't hit wasp's nests with sticks -- if they don't bother me, I don't bother them. Just because they build a nest in my backyard, doesn't mean I have the intent to kill them or bring harm to them. They, like us, deserve to be able live their lives. And God's wasps don't intentionally build nests to do us harm, it is their way of surviving this world too. They, like every other living thing have some bad seeds that were born to them.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: I thought Frank Gorshin did a great job playing the Riddler on the Batman TV series forty years ago.

He obviously has an impersonator who isn't representing him so well these days.

I haven't seen that one either. But what great memories of the show back then!

I will!

Jobless Female said: I am scared one day, but strong the next. I am living my life in fear of losing everything and with no money or place to go once I do. .. It is a matter of a short period of time before I am homeless,

As I said, you can give up the dream or you can have courage and determination. If not, you won't make it to retirement and yet another helpless, nameless, individual will be living under a bridge somewhere. But instead of taking the advice of a person who survived all that, you choose to make it all a joke.

Or wait a minute.. is that not you or are you "posing" as that soon to be homeless person? Hmmmm.

There was once a man who sat on the roof of his house during a flood. He was a faithful person who prayed to God to save him. Two men in a rowboat appeared, offering to take him to safety. He refused, convinced God would save him. He continued to pray and a police rescue boat appeared offering to take him to a shelter. Again he refused, convinced God would save him. Finally, when the water was so high he had only his chimney to sit on, a helicopter appeared above and offered to rescue him. His faith was so strong that God would save him that he refused.

He was swept away and drowned. He arrive in Heaven and asked God "Why did you not save me?" God said, "I sent two boats and a friggin helicopter! What did you expect me to do?"

"Your advice and unrealistic optimism does not square with reality and the needs of legitimate job seekers. "
I am a professional technical instructor, also laid-off and taking (begging) for any job with or without benefits. I am not reported as part of the unemployed, but as an under-employed, I am very much out of work.
Trying to explain to those even 10 years older how the job market has changed and jobs are simply not there is like talking to the trees. Any individual that has already earned retirement doesn't understand the panic of being mid-50's and laid-off with no options.
My husband's uncle told him that since he liked to cook, he should get a job at a fast food place. I can't believe my husband actually tried to apply at one. I say "tried" because they refused to let him fill out an application. The manager told him to his face that he wanted someone younger and willing to work for minimum wage. He said he would accept the wage, and the manager just shook his head.
When my lawyer told my last employer that I was looking at years of under-employment, I had no idea how right she was.

Unfortunately my formal education is an AS in math, 30 years ago. All my knowledge is through industy education and experience. How do you argue that 25 years of UNIX computer systems and 13 years of experience as an instructor/course developer is equal to much more than a BS or even a master's degree? Anyway, I'm off to work at one of my 3 jobs that puts food on the table even if it isn't keeping a roof over our heads.

Just got home; thanks for your comments/encouragement. Good luck to you, too.

Struggling to survive in Dacono, Colorado said: "Your advice and unrealistic optimism does not square with reality and the needs of legitimate job seekers. "
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I agree with Displaced, excellent summation. One doesn't realize that we DO have the courage & determination, but as you said even McDonald's won't give you an opportunity. I've been temping just to eat one meal a day, and to keep the electricity, water, phone, gas from being turned off. Paying over $200 just to get to the temp position and applying for positions that I can excel at having the skills that they require; but my age prevents them from hiring me. I don't look my age, as I have been told, but I definitely don't look like I'm in my 20's either. When one is retired these days, they surely didn't have the obstacles that we are faced with and therefore cannot speak of our experiences. This ones needs are being met, as one stated themselves, but continues to compare oneself to those who need to make it to retirement and have been doing so through every possible avenue. However, that old dogs tricks don't work in today's world which is why one cannot get it through ones head. But when ones needs are being met and have nothing to worry about, as stated, then one surely cannot understand what we are going through therefore will continue to talk with unrealistic optimism because they themselves are losing nothing. They don't have the courage and determination to survive as we are trying to do, they only know how to be destructive to those of us who are actually living it. It's the work of the devil trying to bring us down even further, yet is failing miserably.
I wish you and your husband all the luck.

I located some quotes from individuals from all walks of life that brought great solace to me and may bring it to those of you who understand why I located them in the first place.

"To the wise, life is a problem; to the fool, a solution."

"I have found some of the best reasons I ever had for remaining at the bottom simply by looking at the men at the top."

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."

"We accumulate our opinions at an age when our understanding is at its weakest."

"The more opinions you have, the less you see."

"The less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice."

"Prejudice - a vagrant opinion without visible means of support."

Thank you DLP!

To you and Struggling: May you both be blessed in the very near [wish it were yesterday] future! I have to believe that the tables of the workforce will turn where our experience is more important, than a recently acquired piece of paper stating that we are.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Tactics such as underrepresenting quals is tantamount to overrepresenting them and is lying. I don't lie to employers, though they may lie to me. It's about ethics....Moreover, despite what you may say, companies won't believe you.

It is problematic that our society today (not just the working world) mostly accepts dishonesty and a lack of ethics and considers such to be standard fare. So much so that more and more people become swayed to the dark side of the fence - rationalizing their own lying and bad behavior as being OK "because everyone else does it".

Well, I continue to do my best to resist this pervasive societal attitude and have been successful so far. But it is difficult when there is no reward for being straight-forward and honest and employers automatically seem to feel there is always some sort of deceit in play.

One must consider having some flexibility in order to prevent discrimination against oneself though. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with leaving things off one's resume. But, each person has to decide that for himself.

Well, I have always been honest and haven't been swayed. I am proud of my age and what I have accomplished in my life; it's the corporations that are missing the point. Experience in the REAL working world for over 25 years equates to a whole lot more than a freshly acquired degree and no work experience. No school can teach you how to be successful in the actual working world as each company, corporation, govt. agency is run differently. They have their own goals in place, ways of doing business, and expectations. My question is, if it is the young, newly graduated college students they want, then why don't they put them in the CEO position, the Director positions, the President, Vice President, Board of Directors? What deems our place in the employment world the only positions that need these young, fresh, new kids on the block? They say to just go back 10 years on your resume, then some say go all the way back as they would rather see your experience than not, to me they [the co.'s] are indecisive. And the $2m+ severance packages, bonuses just are way out of control. While they get a bonus of such extreme, they could hire several someones with experience and value, and keep them employed until retirement age. Wow! what a dream.

Recall the comment from the gentleman a few days ago, this is sales! Ethics aside, everyone assumes you will be able to provide backup on your statements as the process continues. You are selling yourself and skills to the points the employer wants. Think like a salesman and dress your resume accordingly, write a resume of your skills matched exactly to the posting, write a short cover letter to hit up your personal belief in what you do on the job while trying to sound like you bring something to the job as a person and let it go. Do not over think it! They will either let you know if they are interested or not by getting an interview. Don't over emphasize your age or past experience and what is written on the resume unless it is extremely relevant. This is just an introduction and an attention getter. Go beyond and develop a good story of your accomplishments and how it helped you solve a common problem, as in workforce wide. Beleive it or not the Cover Letter you write and story you tell as a conversationalist is sometimes more important than the resume or your dare I say, qualifications. If you are able to capture their attention in a business conversation and letter, as in carefully written copy, your chances of closing the deal are much better.

I don't know how, why, or when our country's businesses decided that cheap labor was better than quality work. However, it has spawned a division of classes that is killing off our middle class. The rich don't want us to support them (we pay the taxes), and the poor want our jobs at any price. Time after time I see the young, inexperienced jobseeker or the any-age non-skilled worker accepting jobs at lower wages because they are unaware of the real cost-of-living. They are unaware they are locking themselves into poverty. Those of us that have job skills and valuable experience know we cannot live on $10/hour because we also know the real cost of goods and services needed to support our families. As our prices go up and our wages go down, we are becoming a nation of poor & rich and looking more and more like our 3rd world neighbors. This shows in our below global standard of health, our percentage of newborn deaths, and our percentage of population in prison.
Our middle-class has a standard of work ethic and determination that will die out with the advancement of the two extremes. As I watch my younger competition, those still in college, I see a sloppiness and uncaring attitude that is perpetuated by the expectations and willingness to accept from the managers. I see the young managers bulling and embarressing the employees as a means to assert their positions.
I known not what country I live in anymore.

My sentiments exactly!! The fact that home developers are only building bigger, more expensive, and extravagant homes that only the rich can afford is a true sign of what the rich want to do. No one can live on $15/hour let alone anything lower. They expect us to move throughout the country to environments where we can survive, pull us away from our families, and then start building up those areas making it impossible to survive there. I am a very hardworker, have always been and learned as much as I could no matter where I was, yet now experience and hardwork mean nothing. When I was bullied, threatened, or harrassed I stood up for myself but now they make it a way of doing business -- intimidation in the workplace is prohibited by law, yet when you stand up for yourself you are then deemed a problem worker. This is not the case when there are the laws that back you up, but considering the wages they pay you now, they feel they have the upperhand and can say or do anything. I had stated a while ago on another forum that our country is becoming the NEW 3rd WORLD COUNTRY: The Poverty Stricken vs. the Rich. And isn't it a shame that prisoners are beginning to have more than we do: 3 square meals a day, a gym, cable tv, a bed, a roof and nothing to worry about but doing their time - at our expense. We have to do our time without the help of the country and have to worry about our next meal and where we are going to lay our heads at night, let alone can't join a gym, have cable tv nor can we get jobs to sustain us. It's just downright scary.

Displaced Legal Professional in Arvada, Colorado said: Happy Gal in Baltimore, Maryland: "Recall the comment from the 'gentleman' a few days ago, this is sales! Ethics aside, everyone assumes you will be able to provide backup on your statements as the process continues...."

That person advocated misrepresenting the product. Of course it's sales, but ethics are not an aside.

My point is I am not a car salesman. I sell myself honestly; if anything I undersell myself (Contrary to headhunters.). I don't want to find myself in a situation where I cannot deliver the product and find myself canned for not meeting expectations. If anything, I want to exceed the employer's expectations. I deliver honesty; in return I expect honesty and fair consideration from the employer (rosta ruck!).

B-I-N-G-O!!!!!!!

There seems to be no end to this discussion despite the advice to just keep moving on and be as honest as you can while staying upbeat. As long as the sky is blue there will be diverse views on this topic in the area of ethics and the job seeker. The point is, you have to keep your head up and not dwell on the negative aspects. Open yourself to good well known and solid advice from those who are around you. Try different things to get the attention long enough to get the interview and hopefully the job. The employer will investigate you from here to tomorrow and back again until they are satisfied you are the right person for the job. Those at the top will always make more money. Perhaps a CEO position is just around the corner if you stop legalizing yourself to everyone and just be yourself the best way you know how. If it is meant to be it will be, if not, keep trying. Optomistic approaches are always the best leaders to opportunity, is my last comment on this subject.

Adios y buenos dias! Via con dios, amigo

Mi Amigo in Boring, Maryland said: There seems to be no end to this discussion despite the advice to just keep moving on and be as honest as you can while staying upbeat. As long as the sky is blue there will be diverse views on this topic in the area of ethics and the job seeker. The point is, you have to keep your head up and not dwell on the negative aspects. Open yourself to good well known and solid advice from those who are around you. Try different things to get the attention long enough to get the interview and hopefully the job. The employer will investigate you from here to tomorrow and back again until they are satisfied you are the right person for the job. Those at the top will always make more money. Perhaps a CEO position is just around the corner if you stop legalizing yourself to everyone and just be yourself the best way you know how. If it is meant to be it will be, if not, keep trying. Optomistic approaches are always the best leaders to opportunity, is my last comment on this subject.

Adios y buenos dias! Via con dios, amigo

No one is saying we aren't optimistic, except you. We are just sharing our feelings on a topic that has hit us hard. Where does it say we are giving up? You can interpret this anyway you like and move to another forum where you aren't so bored with the discussion here. Create your own topic in the General area selling all your points of how to be optimistic, how to keep your head held high, and how to stop legalizing oneself to everyone. However, we are entitled, just as you are, to discuss what we like, and respond to statements where they lead us to. It is call conversation amongst people in similar situations. Plain & simple.