Vector marketing-- Big scam

Haha, this stuff is hilarious.

Ok guys, whatever, think its a scam. Don't get hired, and don't make a ton of money. I'm seventeen and I made at least 4k in income in 2 months. And I never sold to my family.

If you don't want to go to the interview, then don't go. But don't judge a company or anything for that matter just by what someone is saying (Most of the people here haven't even worked for the company, and if they have it was about a month or less).
If you read a bad review on a movie, are you just not going to go see it because a couple of people didnt like it? I know it's not entirely related to what we have here, but it's the same concept.
"You'll never fly unless you try"

just think about it.

And whatever comes after this comment, all the crap that im probably going to get;

screw it.

I'm happy, and I made tons of money.

Oh, and by the way.

I'm not brainwashed. And I don't think that people who don't work at Vector will fail. Maybe they'll find a field they're really interested in. I like sales, I tried it out, it worked.

And Im in college......and I don't work at McDonalds. =]

Just a comment as someone that has experience dealing with referrals of clients or friends. Just because they were referred to you, doesn't automatically mean they aren't some crazed lunatic (granted most people aren't).

Also I agree that Vactor is not a scam. Cutco knives are good knives. In fact, my family had their knives for as long as I can remember, I did not know what brand they were until I attended the interview myself (and my mom confirmed our knives were in fact cutco knives). I made the cut, and the hourly rate at the time was like $13/hour, but I opted not to do it, because they require you to start by selling to people you know in a certain age demographic. Problem was I didn't really know people in that age group in the vicinity I was living in.

It is interesting how many people seem to assume that all outside sales positions are scams. Believe it or not, some people THRIVE on outside sales. One summer I Was interviewing people for inside sales positions, and many of the people I would interview actually had a preference for outside sales. Said people tend to be social and gregarious animals. And there is more to it than going door to door. Also, I am not sure how Vactor can be perceived as a pyramid scheme. A product is actually being sold, and the commissions are rationally based on that. I was also given the impression that a lot of students will do it part time in addition to other jobs. I was never a fan of doing sales, but if that is something you want to do and you're good at it and know lots of people, I would think Vactor/Cutco isn't such a bad option.

And before you think I'm making stuff up. A friend of mine did work for cutco, I forget why she stopped, but she loves the kitchen scissors she bought from them and never said anything terribly negative about them.

If you don't want to do sales don't work for them, but really, you don't know what a sales job is if you think this is a scam.

we are talking about Vector, not Vactor.

People that work at Macy's don't get their close for free...

kevin said: Yes companies do supply individuals with the necessary product to sell. Do you see a department store like macys telling the employees to purchase jackets and then resell them? You definitely must be from vector marketting, probably gave up college and started volunteering for them. So you must not have learn the nature of businesses at all. Let me ask you one question when you sell the knives, do you get full value or company takes partial? Dont work like a dog. For everyone else out there, all scam businesses have ways of diverting factual information about their companies. All the comments posted about how Vector marketting is a ""opporunity"" and not a scam have came from actual employees attempting to scam you. Check out the ip addresses because it coems from similar computers.

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What do you know?? in Browder, Kentucky said: First of all it is illegal to pre judge a person by their apperance so I seriously doubt that. Secondly selling knives isnt anything to be ashamed of, what do you do thats so awesome?? Third thing is when you do get out into the real world to work, jobs require that you make time and sometimes investments. If you were going to be a construction worker you would have to buy your own tools. If you were doing any kind of nursing or CNA you have to buy scrubs. Even people who work in restaurants or fast food joints have to buy their uniform. The big difference here is it is a security deposite you put down. when you return the knives you get ALL your money back. And finding people to see the product is not hard... it just takes a little effort, then again you sound like the type of person that is happy wearing their hair net flipping burgers for minimum wage :)

Eric in Everett, Washington said: And I thought I told 1slowZ to stop posting comments cuz they were retarded.[/QUOTE, rofl, my bad kiddo... Anyways i cannot believe that some people actually come on here and listen to people that have no idea what they are actually talking about because they have never worked with the company! And wow, for those of you that are going to deny yourself a potentially great opportunity because of the opinions of people that have never worked with the comapny or a few disgruntled former employees wihout even seeing for yourself then i pity you because you will most likely live a very mislead life, and not even realize it:)

You don't put deductions on a 1099 form, a 1099 form is merely an information return. You put your deductions on the Schedule SE and/or Schedule C (I am no tax expert, but that is pretty basic). You don't send the IRS receipts, you keep them in case the irs decides to audit you.

b in Oakland, California said: Yes that's right. Everything you do is tax deductible. Good luck getting that onto a 1099 form. You think receipts will prove such a thing? Sure, the IRS wants you to mail in your receipts. Funny. Anyways, anyone working at Vector won't have the resources to pull it all onto a 1099 form. I will not care anymore about Vector. If someone wants to beg for their income from friends and family, feel free. I have never stooped that low, nor will I ever.

SSorry momentary lapse of memory there

Ashley in Fort Wayne, Indiana said: we are talking about Vector, not Vactor.

Shan in Nashville, Tennessee said: This company calls you for an interview, and some people as soon as they walked back would walk right back out. Well come to find out he says that if he didn't like the way you looked when he first met you then he won't hire you. Then we find out that we are trying to sell knives and things. But of course he didn't mention the fact that we have to invest over a 100 bucks to start the job. We have to purchase the knives and then use that as our sells guide to show customers. This was the biggest scam I had ran across yet. Any business you have to invest money in to get hired, you should know it just ain't right!!!How do they expect you to purchase something like that and you are trying to get a job. Oh you don't want to talk about the door to door sales. Yeah you need to find your own people to sale to by the way. If this sounds like the job for you, then goodluck to you!!

I am going through the training right now for vector, and I have had friends who have suceeded at it. I AM a real person, living in the capitol of Florida and I have to tell you, its not a scam or hoax. The reason you pay for the knives is because you are responsible for showing them to customers. They arent free, thats why you are selling them. You put a DEPOSIT down on them, and guess what, you get that deposit back when you give the knives back!! wow, is that hard to comprehend? Also, they do not advertise because it costs more money to nationally advertise and it tarnishes their credibility. Look at all those infomercials, where you see something on tv, and it looks great, then you use your credit card to pay for it and its not as good as it looked on tv. they dont do that, they advertise by word of mouth. Also, since they do not go through a store, like Hinley, they can sell the knives, gardening tools, etc for cheaper than others. it also gives them more money to pay you. plus there is a base pay and a commission. you do not get both combin

Shan in Nashville, Tennessee said: This company calls you for an interview, and some people as soon as they walked back would walk right back out. Well come to find out he says that if he didn't like the way you looked when he first met you then he won't hire you. Then we find out that we are trying to sell knives and things. But of course he didn't mention the fact that we have to invest over a 100 bucks to start the job. We have to purchase the knives and then use that as our sells guide to show customers. This was the biggest scam I had ran across yet. Any business you have to invest money in to get hired, you should know it just ain't right!!!How do they expect you to purchase something like that and you are trying to get a job. Oh you don't want to talk about the door to door sales. Yeah you need to find your own people to sale to by the way. If this sounds like the job for you, then goodluck to you!!

As I was saying, you do not get both base+commission, you do however get which ever amounts to more. It is a credible establishment. I dare you to go to AT&T, Verizon, Microsoft, etc. some big coorporation, and ask a supervisor/manager/director if they have heard of Vector, or Cutco or ALCAS, and I gaurantee you, if they are educated and have any experience with big coorporations, they will tell you the company is one of the most respected establishments in marketing today. They grossed over 200 Million dollars last year. And I am sorry, but if they have their offices in every state in the United States, that must be the most impressive scam I have ever seen. Think about this, If they were liars and con artists, dont you think after almost 60years in the business you would see the CIA or FBI busting them on it? thats where the little person in your head is saying "DeDeDe, you were wrong dumbie". I am not saying sales is for everyone. I could sell a ketchup popcicle to a lady in white gloves, but thats because I have ecperience with people.

Mar in Crawfordville, Florida said: I am going through the training right now for vector, and I have had friends who have suceeded at it. I AM a real person, living in the capitol of Florida and I have to tell you, its not a scam or hoax. The reason you pay for the knives is because you are responsible for showing them to customers. They arent free, thats why you are selling them. You put a DEPOSIT down on them, and guess what, you get that deposit back when you give the knives back!! wow, is that hard to comprehend? Also, they do not advertise because it costs more money to nationally advertise and it tarnishes their credibility. Look at all those infomercials, where you see something on tv, and it looks great, then you use your credit card to pay for it and its not as good as it looked on tv. they dont do that, they advertise by word of mouth. Also, since they do not go through a store, like Hinley, they can sell the knives, gardening tools, etc for cheaper than others. it also gives them more money to pay you. plus there is a base pay and a commission. you do not get both combin

yes, sweetheart. that's the SAME line i was fed in Indiana.

and your sweet smell of naivety is clogging my sinuses!!!!

I mean, seriously, how does it not raise a red flag when:
1) the response is so fast for an interview,
2)the office is disgusting (I didn't even want to sit in their fold-up chairs, and their profit is supposedly HOW MUCH per year?)
3) they sell the company to you the entire time of the interview, (instead of focusing on your qualifications, they focus on the company)
4) the training is not paid (even my tutoring job at school had paid training)
5) you MUST invest in the company in order to work their biz (how do you expect to sell something to someone when you can't show them the product)
6) the demonstration with the leather is OBVIOUSLY an optical illusion (he/she pulls the leather taut with the Cutco knife, but lets it slack with the other brand)
7) they TELL you to dress nice for the interview (if you don't know better, please, shoot yourself)
8) you are hired the SAME DAY!

We're not saying that what Vector is doing is ILLEGAL, it is just shady and a scam isn't necessarily illegal!

rd in Orange, California said: Haha, this stuff is hilarious.

Ok guys, whatever, think its a scam. Don't get hired, and don't make a ton of money. I'm seventeen and I made at least 4k in income in 2 months. And I never sold to my family.

If you don't want to go to the interview, then don't go. But don't judge a company or anything for that matter just by what someone is saying (Most of the people here haven't even worked for the company, and if they have it was about a month or less).
If you read a bad review on a movie, are you just not going to go see it because a couple of people didnt like it? I know it's not entirely related to what we have here, but it's the same concept.
"You'll never fly unless you try"

just think about it.

And whatever comes after this comment, all the crap that im probably going to get;

screw it.

I'm happy, and I made tons of money.

Well,I HAVE worked for the company,actually for a long time,and being a receptionist you see pretty much everything that goes on,Let me say that i have seen people do very well at the sales position,some people really like it,however when It comes straight down to business practices heres how it goes...The receptionist is trained to do what it takes to get as many people through the front door as possible "because they bonus on how many people show up" Then If the receptionist does not hustle a large amount of people she'll get fired for that.The managers of the offices are all kids basically and the receptionist will have to answer to all of the applicants standing outside the office door when the manager does not show up to his or her interview,That happens alot!I always felt bad about lieing to these people! Vector does NOT care about their employees at all.Just look at all of the forums out there.theres a reason for that!

I worked for Vector Marketing as a "receptionist". We are the base of the entire company, (and the boss can't stress that enough), because we're actually getting the people in for the interviews, yet we get paid a very low wage. Also, (I recently found this out when my boss randomly decided to fire a girl on the spot one day, saying "hey todays going to be your last day", because your "shows" arn't good), that if our shows arn't good, then we get fired! (unless the boss really likes you and kisses up to you for some reason, which is happening with another employee). Anyway, it is not even legal to fire somebody on the spot like that, he obviously disliked her for some reason and wanted her out. We have to schedule several people, and if not enough show up to the interview, then we have a low percentage (the computer calculates this), and it makes us look bad. How can we have complete control over an individual's decision for showing up for an interview? We can only say so much over the phone, we cannot drag them in by their hair to come in, it's completely up to them. Then my boss says "I don't know how you can just not show up for an interview" (I mean I don't know either, but I bet 99% of the reason why these people arn't showing up is because they look the job up online since we don't give them any information and they see what it's about, then they decide not to show up). But here's the amazing part right here, my boss actually pulls aside one of the employees I WORKED WITH (who was on the same level as me), and discussed all of the other employees shows and who he should fire! How unprofessional is that? For someone with such a huge ego, you'd think they would have a little common sense as to what they were doing. The scary thing is, anyone who's a rep can be a branch manager. I find it scary because they obviously don't get enough/any experience in managing, and when they become big in authority, people are getting treated unfairly. I have no more room left.

lol.. I worked for the call center In mi, and what your describing is a carbon copy of what went on there.I myself had worked there for a LONG time and have seen probably 50 girls get fired just in that way."today will be your last" I myself QUIT finally! Yep,Its a shame the economy here is so bad, because I think everybody would leave.I have seen so much behind the scenes crap it would spin your head! I hold no respect for that company and they way they do business.Girls would actually get written up for poor shows!! The building we worked in was terrible,dumpy,and one bathroom for 50 girls in the summer.When summers over he fires them all and keeps about 10 girls.The manager is so shady and awful.Seems to me that some of these managers need to loose there jobs but on the other hand ANYONE can be a manager at Vector..

What I never see happen with topics like this is that they are never explained from an objective point of view. Either someone who succeeded tells you how awesome it is, or someone who quit, says how bad it is. OR in recent cases receptionists who quit say how terrible it is. I will be talking about the position of a representative, considering that is my position and it is the position that many of the articles about scamming, etc. are written about.

First off, lets start out by looking at a few simple beliefs that are true in all jobs or stages of life. Many of the good things in life, you must work for. Whatever job you have, you must work hard at in order to make a good income, advance, and succeed in your field. What I find fascinating about these scam articles, is that much of the negative stuff is from people who "quit" because they didn't follow the program. The positive stuff is from people who sold tons. Let me give you a perspective from someone who sold about average for a summer.

The only shady part of the interview is the fact that they don't tell you exactly what you are doing when they talk to you over the phone. But you go into the interview because you are obviously interested in the pay and flexible hours. You weren't forced to go to it, you chose to. The pre-screening process is meant to qualify people for the group interview. Vector wants to eliminate a) people with negative attitudes because they are a pain to work with in any job and b) people who don't conduct or dress themselves in a professional manner (even when they are instructed to over the phone). During the group interview, that is where you hear about the full details of the position and then decide for yourself whether you want to try the Vector Opportunity or not. You are told up front about the different types of pay, the Personal Daily Interaction (PDI), the Weekly Team Meetings that you are asked to attend, and any other thing vital to your success in the business.

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Now please not that as a representative you are not employed by Vector, you cannot be fired by them, you can only fire yourself. If you happen to go through the group interview and get the job, then be thankful. Not all get an opportunity like this where you can make your own schedule and really decide what your earnings will be on a weekly basis.

Secondly, the sample kit, is a REFUNDABLE deposit of about $150. You save 70% on a great product and it is vital to have with you for your demonstrations. Think about it, how hard is it to sell something, if you don't have it with you for the customer to try out and use for themselves. Seeing is Believing.

Sales, as we know, is not for everyone. The object of the deposit is to make sure that you don't just run off with a brand new set of Cutco for free. If you try out the program that your manager teaches and you find it isn't for you, then just return the sample kit and you will be fully refunded. Many people complain about problems with pay. The truth though, is that they did not pay proper attention in the group interview and or training. In order to receive the Base Pay, they must do Qualified Presentations. Notice the qualified part. In order for someone to be qualified they must be a) Over 25, b) have a steady source of income and c) be in a stable environment. Essentially, if they live in a house, they are Qualified. You also must fill out a Qualified Presentation Report, so that your manager knows whether you will receive Commission (Incentive Pay) or Base Pay for that week. Many of these people that complain did not do one of those two things. If your manager did not tell you then I apologize, because he or she should have as they were instructed to do. Maybe they forgot, or maybe they misled you. But no manager is ever instructed to mislead. If that is the case, then it is solely on that manager and should not be placed upon Vector as a whole.

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As a representative you are encouraged to call your manager each day to let him or her know how many demonstrations you have and you are encouraged to attend the Weekly Team Meetings and you are encouraged to go to Conferences to learn more and win some prizes. Notice how I mentioned you are encouraged to do these things because it only helps you get better. You are an independent contractor. Your manager is your advisor, not your boss. You pay for conferences, because essentially, you are not an employee. You get reimbursed with free Cutco worth roughly the amount you paid, plus if you pay attention at the conference, take notes, and use them in your presentations, you will make more than the $90 or $225 you paid with the skills you learned. So attending the conferences are basically free. Just like stocks, you invest money into something, because you expect a return. You invest money and time into Vector, because if you work hard, you will get a good return.

Over the summer I sold about 13K and made roughly $3,000. I never once got Base Pay, because I always was able to earn the higher Incentive Pay. Base Pay is really for lazy people who don't follow the program, that's the honest truth. Some paycheks were $600/week, others were $40/week. It was all what I wanted it to be. That is the message I am getting at here. It is completely what you make of it. If you put in the effort and are willing to learn and you follow the program you CANNOT fail in this business, you can only quit. As long as you are having fun with the position, continue it, whatever you do in life make sure you enjoy doing it, but don't be immature and bash something because you had a bad experience. Take responsibility for your own actions or inactions. If you really look back on most things, you will know you didn't try hard enough. Try not to live without regrets. If you can always give your best, you will never have something to criticize.

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If there is something I missed or if they is something you would like to ask or want a comment on, post it on here and I will respond.

And I think I forgot to mention this. If you think this is a scam, contact the Better Business Bureau and ask them what the rating is for Vector Marketing. If you what how big the BBB is and you know that Vector Marketing has an A rating, then you will know that it is not a scam.

tl; dr

Heather in Cincinnati, Ohio said: i am a receptionist for vector! it is not a scam here! i love vector and all the people!!!

Why doesn't anyone return their phone calls then if it isn't a scam. Answer that one please

thats Nice that you love your job,I did to at first.Give it sometime and we'll see

they have you come in for some knives---it is deceptive,how they present the ad, as though it's what you would desire

Nes, the ad is not deceptive. It just doesn't tell you anything about the position. Most advertisements for jobs don't, you have to go to the interview to find out about it. Plus who is going to pay for an ad that takes up tons of lines explaining about the position. And honestly, no one would come in if the ad says selling knives. The purpose of the ad is to get people into the interview room so that they can find out about the position and try out the product etc. Then, if they don't like it, then they don't have to accept it. It's that simple. They aren't forced to accept the position once they are in the interview.

And in response to the receptionist that says I love my job. I do, but being a representative and being a receptionist are two different things. I would hate to be a receptionist, thats just not something I'm interested in. But the whole scam issue deals mostly with representatives so lets try and objectively focus on that.

David in Baltimore, Maryland said: And in response to the receptionist that says I love my job. I do, but being a representative and being a receptionist are two different things. I would hate to be a receptionist, thats just not something I'm interested in. But the whole scam issue deals mostly with representatives so lets try and objectively focus on that.

so if the company doesnt want to pay to have multiple lines for their ad, then why do they have multiple ads in one newspaper. i was looking for a job, and i saw to different ads in the newspaper and not knowing they were the same job i called both of them, getting the same place, thats kinda of a weird way to place your ads, kinda of deceptive dont you say???

What you have to realize here Sarah is that each manager is running their own business, just under the Vector name. Not everyone places two ads or whatever. Some managers do I'm sure, some don't. But just because it doesn't tell you everything about the job doesn't mean it is deceptive. It just means it isn't as informative. In order for it to be deceptive, it has to lie about something. Just because it doesn't give you all the information doesn't mean it is deceptive.

Katie in Omaha, Nebraska said: Jon,
Chances are, the manager who interviewed you DID actually have the stuff memorized. Vector managers go through so many interviews and repeat the same information regarding the company, the product, and the office that it often sounds like a recording after a while.

While you were waiting for the 2nd part of the interview to begin you were spaced from other applicants purely for the sake of comfort - everyone has a personal bubble! The people who seat you space you out to give you a better sense of being an individual, as opposed to part of a group.

If you're not going to work with Vector or you skip your interview, it's important to call the office and just TELL THEM. THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO YOU IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED. The receptionists are required to continue leaving messages or calling until you either reschedule an interview or simply tell them that you're not interested. It's a pain in the rear for them to keep calling and a pain for you to keep hearing from them. Keep in mind that the receptionists and managers are people, too - they don't want to keep contacting you if nothing's going to come from it.

thank you, i'm a receptionist right now. i hate people who i have to call and cant get a hold of. i have nothing to do with the company except read what im told to read and do what im told to do. it pisses me off when people call in and yell at me thinking its a scam if you have a problem call the main office im just a college student in the front setting people up for interviews. im not telling them to come in if they dont want to. gosh!

Taymar, a female, from cincy in Cincinnati, Ohio said: lol its funny how you claim i need a job because im on this web site. so that must mean your not doing a hell of a job at your work place because your on this web site too! you must have a lot of time on your hands if you can get on line and bash people jobs! if i didnt belive in this company, i wouldnt defend it. just because it dont work out for a lot of people doesnt make it a scam. if this company was a scam, dont you think the bbb would investigate the company and shut us down instead of giving us a certificate for being legit? if vector was a scam, why is people here so successful? i also dont have time to argue with people kids, bash people jobs, or debate wether a job is a scam or not. if it dont work for you, oh well! stop crying and move the hell on!! it obviously worked for many people including myself because we're still standing strong an making honest money wether you like it or not. so post all the comments you want. in fact get more people to post comments and belive we're a scam because it shows that we're on your mind and it gives us more publicity. so i would like to thank all the haters out there for keeping our company in the spot light!!! any questions?

Taymar... you sound like one ignorant person. Get your grammar straight and stop advocating a company that rips off innocent students. It is all one HUGE SCAM if you look at it. I had an interview with them today and when i got back i started reading all of these. Everything that people wrote was true. Everything that people said they would say, do, and even what the establishment would look like WAS ALL TRUE!!! Don't get pulled into this. As a college student myself, i don't have much money as it is and to lose out on even a hundred dollars, let alone a few hundred, would be a sorry, sorry waste that i would needlessly regret.

Wow. Jane. First of all, if you don't want to spend $141 then don't take the position. And there is no way you can speak objectively about it without going through it all. If you actually do some work, then you honestly will make more than $141 within the first week, even the first day for some people, so that is easily paid for already. Everything depends on how hard you want to work because you don't have quotas or appts you have to do each day. You set those yourself, so the only one who has control over you is you!!!

David in Baltimore, Maryland said: What you have to realize here Sarah is that each manager is running their own business, just under the Vector name. Not everyone places two ads or whatever. Some managers do I'm sure, some don't. But just because it doesn't tell you everything about the job doesn't mean it is deceptive. It just means it isn't as informative. In order for it to be deceptive, it has to lie about something. Just because it doesn't give you all the information doesn't mean it is deceptive.

ok all i have to say is LYING BY OMISSION!

An ad for a restaurant adverstises positions- waitstaff, bartender, runner, busser. An ad for a marketing group advertises positions- receptionist, salesperson, clerical assistant.

Vector advertises "customer service" or nothing at all. Sales and customer service are wildly different. Base pay is wildly different from hourly pay. It is abundantly clear to me that while this may not be a SCAM, it is dishonest and dangerous for the average college student. Honestly, as a junior in college in an accelerated program, even I did not know what "base pay" technically meant. Flexible hours? Great! High pay? Great! Customer service? Awesome! Direct sales? Um, not so much. I am not a salesperson, and neither are 98% of 17-22-year-olds.

I say that Vector intentionally attempts to manipulate their recruits, and this is unnacceptable.

Of course anyone is allowed to respond, but I've already made up my mind based on my own experience and nearly every response in this thread. No one will convince me that this company is reputable in how it deals with the lowest rung of its hierarchy.

There is no such thing as lying by omission, haha. You can't lie about something without it being said. I could say that "I have a job that pays well and allows me to choose my hours." Just because I don't say what the job is exactly doesn't mean I'm lying. I am telling the truth when I speak. In order for you to find out what my job is you then ask me, "What is your job?". Asking me that is the equivalent of someone going in for an interview to really find out what the job is.

Julianne, you have to realize that the ad is small in the scheme of things because some will come in, others won't. The interview is the information session and that is where one will find out what the position is really about. You mentioned how you were unhappy with direct sales. Direct sales is not for anyone, especially people with negative attitudes because they deal directly with customers. But, you are right, many college kids do not know about base pay or direct sales and that is what this opportunity is all about. In the interview you will find out all about the position and if you decide to take the position Vector is a great resume builder and work experience.

This opportunity is used as case studies in several college textbooks and sevaral classes require you to work with Vector. Obviously something good is going on there.

I went to an interview yesterday and got the job...there was abot 10 people with me so it was me and another that got hired...well im excited about this job..its sounds kind of hard but i guess ill give it a try....my parents see that im not going to do good but ill try anyways..i need the money since i am a college student....well hopefully this goes well...overall i dont think this company is a scam....

Heres my question, all these sales reps making so much money must mean they are selling an ass load of forever guaranteed knives. Everyone is saying the more reps they have the bigger the branch bonus, so with all these reps making all this money selling all those knives for the last twenty years, how many people out there today or the near future are going to be buying? either they already have a lifetime set or they said no. just curious.

David in Baltimore, Maryland said: There is no such thing as lying by omission, haha. You can't lie about something without it being said. I could say that "I have a job that pays well and allows me to choose my hours." Just because I don't say what the job is exactly doesn't mean I'm lying. I am telling the truth when I speak. In order for you to find out what my job is you then ask me, "What is your job?". Asking me that is the equivalent of someone going in for an interview to really find out what the job is.

Julianne, you have to realize that the ad is small in the scheme of things because some will come in, others won't. The interview is the information session and that is where one will find out what the position is really about. You mentioned how you were unhappy with direct sales. Direct sales is not for anyone, especially people with negative attitudes because they deal directly with customers. But, you are right, many college kids do not know about base pay or direct sales and that is what this opportunity is all about. In the interview you will find out all about the position and if you decide to take the position Vector is a great resume builder and work experience.

This opportunity is used as case studies in several college textbooks and sevaral classes require you to work with Vector. Obviously something good is going on there.

ok there is such a thing as lying by omission. duh, when you neglect to put all the facts about the job then thats lying. and as julianne said the jobs say they are for "customer service" not sales thats a real big difference!!!

Sarah in Cedar Falls, Iowa said: ok there is such a thing as lying by omission. duh, when you neglect to put all the facts about the job then thats lying. and as julianne said the jobs say they are for "customer service" not sales thats a real big difference!!!

If you do the job properly Sarah, then it is customer service. You are providing an in home demonstration to the customer. While you may call the initial appointment (Sales) for lack of a better term, you are then their personal representative as long as you are with the job. I always call up to check on my old customers (customer service), I receive questions from customers and answer them (customer service), I help them with shipping items back for sharpening or going to their house themselves and sharpening them (customer service). So, the job is in Customer Service AND Sales. You provide more customer service than you do sales. The reason it doesn't say sales on the advertisement is because we want people to come to the interview whether they have sales experience or not. We feel confident enough that with the proper training and the right attitude, that anyone can be a good representative.

Don't you have some knives to sell, David? or a FUN team meeting to go to?

Shoo fly! Go somewhere else. You're not changing anyones mind.

Sean Thao in Milwaukee, Wisconsin said: I went to an interview yesterday and got the job...there was abot 10 people with me so it was me and another that got hired...well im excited about this job..its sounds kind of hard but i guess ill give it a try....my parents see that im not going to do good but ill try anyways..i need the money since i am a college student....well hopefully this goes well...overall i dont think this company is a scam....

Sean, good for you. Most of the people with negative things to say, are people who quit or drop out of the program early. Since they don't know the full details, they can't objectively criticize the position. The position isn't for lazy people. You are your own boss so what you put into the position is what you will get out of it. Just follow the program and you cannot fail, you can only quit.

Ashley in Fort Wayne, Indiana said: Don't you have some knives to sell, David? or a FUN team meeting to go to?

Shoo fly! Go somewhere else. You're not changing anyones mind.

Haha. Ashley, one thing you learn is time managment. We have a team meeting once a week, I can sell or speak with customers on the weekend and get my work done during the schoolweek. Just because someone has a positive opinion about the position doesn't mean you have to try and get rid of them. I thought this was supposed to show both sides and let people make a decision for themselves. And I read before that your mind was already set, so obviously your mind isn't going to be changed. And with your attitude, I can understand why you probably decided not to try it out or decided to stop working. No offense, but that just seems to be your personality which is fine for many things, just not the Vector Opportunity.

Oh sweetie, You're mistaken about me. I've worked in sales, in fact, I'm a GREAT salesperson, and I, like EVERYONE else that applies was 'hired onto the team' at Vector. I just chose to do my research and am VERY disappointed in this company. It has now became a hobby of mine, per se, to advocate awareness about the many flaws of the dynasty known as Vector Marketing. Just as it seems to be a hobby of yours to lure young people into the sadistic grips of Vector. Take Care, Love!!!!

Ashley in Fort Wayne, Indiana said: Oh sweetie, You're mistaken about me. I've worked in sales, in fact, I'm a GREAT salesperson, and I, like EVERYONE else that applies was 'hired onto the team' at Vector. I just chose to do my research and am VERY disappointed in this company. It has now became a hobby of mine, per se, to advocate awareness about the many flaws of the dynasty known as Vector Marketing. Just as it seems to be a hobby of yours to lure young people into the sadistic grips of Vector. Take Care, Love!!!!

That type of response is why you didn't do well with Vector. Point blank.

David in Baltimore, Maryland said: If you do the job properly Sarah, then it is customer service. You are providing an in home demonstration to the customer. While you may call the initial appointment (Sales) for lack of a better term, you are then their personal representative as long as you are with the job. I always call up to check on my old customers (customer service), I receive questions from customers and answer them (customer service), I help them with shipping items back for sharpening or going to their house themselves and sharpening them (customer service). So, the job is in Customer Service AND Sales. You provide more customer service than you do sales. The reason it doesn't say sales on the advertisement is because we want people to come to the interview whether they have sales experience or not. We feel confident enough that with the proper training and the right attitude, that anyone can be a good representative.

but what your job (the way you make your money) is to SELL knives. your not paid to make those "service calls" or "check up on your customers". and actually they put "no experience necesary" on the ad, so if they wanted (which they dont want to) to they could sales in the ad position. and the reason people dont like this job is because, i know its not door to door, per se, but its rather familier isnt it??? so why again do they lie on the ad?? wait.... ill answer that for ya, because its a SHADY company!!! that has very poor morals!!!

Sarah in Cedar Falls, Iowa said: but what your job (the way you make your money) is to SELL knives. your not paid to make those "service calls" or "check up on your customers". and actually they put "no experience necesary" on the ad, so if they wanted (which they dont want to) to they could sales in the ad position. and the reason people dont like this job is because, i know its not door to door, per se, but its rather familier isnt it??? so why again do they lie on the ad?? wait.... ill answer that for ya, because its a SHADY company!!! that has very poor morals!!!

If you listened to the full interview you get paid either base pay or incentive pay, whichever is greater. So, yes, I do get paid to go to people's houses to do service calls. They usually get more stuff because they love the product, so in that case I get the incentive pay (because it is usually more) than the base pay. So please check your facts first.

Secondly, you are right, it isn't door to door. Nor do we call people randomly out of the phone book. You are recommended to someone else's house BECAUSE the person you just saw a)liked the product and b) liked you. It is the classiest way to do sales in an industry (the industry of sales) that is typically known as shady.

Thirdly, we put people with no experience so that we can draw more people to the interviews so you can get the best people to represent Vector. We don't want people who have good skills not come to the interview simply because they think they won't get the position because they have no sales experience. You go through 3 days of training which is a great amount of experience and as you go along and progress, you become more knowledgeable about the product, the company, and yourself as well.

The people who usually don't like the company are ones that either weren't selected or else they didn't try hard enough. The program is simple. If you follow it, then you can't fail. You can only quit.

David in Baltimore, Maryland said: Haha. Ashley, one thing you learn is time managment. We have a team meeting once a week, I can sell or speak with customers on the weekend and get my work done during the schoolweek. Just because someone has a positive opinion about the position doesn't mean you have to try and get rid of them. I thought this was supposed to show both sides and let people make a decision for themselves. And I read before that your mind was already set, so obviously your mind isn't going to be changed. And with your attitude, I can understand why you probably decided not to try it out or decided to stop working. No offense, but that just seems to be your personality which is fine for many things, just not the Vector Opportunity.

LOL>>yep "The Vector Opportunity" I could not help myself when you used that term..ha ha ha You must be a manager on here trying to save the "good" name of the company right?I'll tell you what, Here in my state the economy is terrible I am a college grad,and worked for Vector for years,I've seen and heard it all! lol
Theres a REASON for all of these people saying its a scam,Its because they ARE lied to from the receptionist,the managers train you to do so or you'll get fired! But Im sure you already know that

It's okay guys. This David is only a temporary annoyance and he will be gone soon enough. You know how busy those Vector people are, selling thousands of dollars of knives DAILY. LMAO. Yeah, okay David. You, my good man, should shoot yourself. Have a great day! :)

Im sure that David is an 18 year old Asst.manager or Manager,and Feels that its his duty to tell people that they are lazy for NOT working for this company!!! Thats what ALL the managers say! DAVID has drunk the Kool Aid!Thats Fine to like Vector Im saying that the applicants from the second they call in ARE BEING LIED TO!and the people who are answering the phones are trained to do so.I feel bad for the Collage students that the receptionists are hustling in, from as much as 2 hours away and show up with "pen and Paper"are getting interviewed from some kid in a tie with an ego complex!I QUIT because I was tired of doing this sort of thing.And DAVID cant tell me Im lazy!I just have some standards in what kind of place I'm willing to represent!

Wow. It is kind of tough dealing with ignorant people. Basically, the only point I was getting across is let the people go to the interview and make a decision for themselves. If they feel they are being lied to, then I would completely agree that you should quit. It may have just been the manager in your office, as they are each run differently based on the manager. I can tell you, that I have not lied, or been lied to yet, throughout this. If you were, than I apologize because I can understand your annoyance with it. However, telling me to shoot myself? That's how you think you win? I believe people are happy to hear that you don't answer the phone anymore. You definitely do not seem to be a "people" person.

For all the other, "sane", people who just come to figure some stuff out, maybe get an opinion, the best advice I can give you is to not listen to me, or anyone else on this forum, but to go try it out for yourself. Like I said, each manager is different. Go find out what yours is like.

And Ashley, please, grow up. You claim to be this bigshot receptionist who thinks they seem to know everything about Vector. Don't ever tell someone to shoot themselves. It just makes you look like an a****** really. Doesn't do much to help your argument.