Vector marketing-- Big scam

...continued

The lies: these are things that vector says but are probably not true. It is impossible to prove that these are lies in a legal sence though due to their ambiguity and subjectivity.

This is the major problem, the lies and misinformation. IF instead of giving misinformation like this, vector decided to tell it like it is, they would probably not only have more reliable employees, but there would be no forums like this telling you how bad vector is.

THE PROBLEM ISN'T ABOUT HOW BAD OF A JOB VECTOR IS, IT'S ABOUT HOW GOOD OF A JOB THEY TELL YOU IT IS.

the reason that vector is a dissapointment to many isn't due to what the job is like, it's due to what they make you think the job is going to be like.

1. Alcas is not a fortune 500 company and it is no longer owned by a fortune 500 company
2. Your sales pitch is not low key, it is not revolutionary, it's the same sales pitch that they give for the miracle blade 3 on tv
3. (minor point)various misrepresentations which are common to sales anyway, a stamped cutco knife is not always cheaper or better than a forged henkles knife.
4. There's more to success than just following instructions, you need luck, you need skill, and you need connections, many connections, many good connections.
5. Subset of 4, testimonials, or third-party testimonials told by your manager. Testimonials is a numbers game, if you make enough appointments, you'll eventually find something worth telling about.
6. (possibility) Was your 1-year-old manager the 4th best salesman last year, and your eparticular office the 2nd best office last year? apparently mine was.
7. Certain atricles about cutco that you may have been shown are taken out of context.

And finally, what do the third party people have to say. You know, those people who don't work for vector, and haven't worked for vector for longer than a year.

Now I have noticed a rend in these posts and that is the fact that the people who are hating on this company the most are the ones who didn't even show up for the interview or training.

I have worked for Vector since June of 2005 and I have been off and on with them, but this summer I am going to be a manager of my own office in Indiana and I feel like I have been properly trained and that I am excited to give people an opportunity to work for a company that can help them reach their goals.

I also appreciate all the reps and past employees of Vector that are defending the company. I have been to the factory, I have seen how it is made and who it is made by. This is legit, not a scam and the fact it has been around for 58 years must say something.

D-Money in Michigan said: Now I have noticed a rend in these posts and that is the fact that the people who are hating on this company the most are the ones who didn't even show up for the interview or training.

I have worked for Vector since June of 2005 and I have been off and on with them, but this summer I am going to be a manager of my own office in Indiana and I feel like I have been properly trained and that I am excited to give people an opportunity to work for a company that can help them reach their goals.

I also appreciate all the reps and past employees of Vector that are defending the company. I have been to the factory, I have seen how it is made and who it is made by. This is legit, not a scam and the fact it has been around for 58 years must say something.

hey, the fact that i didn't go through with the last two days of training doesn't make what i say any less true.

Also, the quality of the knives is rather uncontested. there are some people who like to bash the knives themselves, but the majority admit that they're good.

the problem isn't with the knives, it's with the human resources management.

I am about sick of all of this! VECTOR HAS CHANGED MY LIFE FOR THE BETTER. IT TEACHES PEOPLE SKILLS YOU SIMPLY CANNOT LEARN AT OTHER COMPANIES. I really don't want to be a smart ass because its not my way but i can't help it.
Here is some common arguments against Vector Marketing:

1. You have to pay for a sample kit...

Well first of all buddy, they tell you about it in the interview so you know before you go to training. Second of all you have the CHOICE of RETURNING IT FOR A FULL REFUND or KEEPING IT!!!! Vector works with over 40,000 college students a year and if they loaned out $500 worth of product for no deposit...i think there would be a lot of students "scamming" Cutco.

2. Vector hires college students to sell to their parents....

Well first of all, nobody makes them buy it, especially not the whole set! Seondly, every one Ive sold Cutco to has never regretted a thing. I actually had a guy say he bought a set out of sympathy from somebody and it ended up being one of the best investments he has ever made in his house. Third, ITS CALLED A MARKETING STRATEGY!!! Every company on God's green earth has one! I bet some of you "na sayers" smoke yet you support a company that targets teenagers for a habit that causes cancer! Even if the parents do do buy it, they are getting a great product and their son or daughter is getting an experience of a lifetime!

3. You have to contact your own reccommedations!!!

Well I got news for you guys. This is the way it is in the real world. You have to make your own contacts and set meetings and appointments with clientele or business partners on your own whether you are selling a product or service or just wanted to share your ideas! I GOT NEWS FOR YOU GUYS, NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE HANDED TO YOU! This is one of the greatest thing Vector offers and employers love to see is someone with phone skills. (By the way, we don't go door to door, everyone we call has been reccommended!

First of all let me say to some of those out there who have had a bad experience with Vector Marketing because of an incompetent or just plain bad manager, I am sorry for the words I am about to say....

I am just going to lay it out there very simply....

1. I love my Job with Vector!!!
2. I have got valuable Skills to carry me throughout life.
3. It is actually one of the most honest and fair companies I have ever seen!
4. I am sorry to all those out there who hate Vector because it made them work for something!
5. Everybody thinks the sample kit is "some big scam." ok, first of all, Vector works with over 40,000 college students a year! Lets logically think about this...If vector loaned a $147 worth of inventory out to everyone...I would think there would be a lot of scamming and it wouldn't be done by Vector
6. How can a scam be allowed to operate for 59 years straight, be backed by the better business bureau, be part of the direct selling association, it be used as a FREAKIN college class at three major universites (Illinois State, NC State, and Purdue)

7. Bottom Line is guys, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves coming on here complaining and moaning about something many of you know nothing about turning kids away to an opportunity that could benefit there lives in a major way.To anyone that is on here looking to interview or train with Vector, I reccommend you give it a shot and if its not for you, then just DONT DO IT! Once again, for those that have had bad experiences due to individual managers, I am sorry for this.

I have worked on and off with Vector for 6 years. I've never been paid the minimum $16/appointment simply because I've always earned much more than that through commission. I have friends who consistently earn $4000+/week for weeks in a row, never earning less than $1000/week. I personally make around $130/Hr this includes the phone time and weekly meetings. Here's what I have to say about common concerns regarding Vector's approach:

1. You have to buy the sample kit up front.

Since when is it a bad thing to invest in yourself? So what if you have to spend $150+/- on a sample kit? You are getting more than that worth of the product if you sell it yourself, just look at the individual pieces selling on ebay. If you want to be a doctor, you have to invest hundreds of thousands and years of your life. Pilots and lawyers are the same. I can't think of a job with as high of an earning potential that requires such a small initial investment.

2. It's destroying the future of high school students.

This couldn't be any further from the truth. Those who succeed in Vector are not only successful in further endeavors, they walk away from their time at Vector with some excellent qualities. The best examples are: time management; organization; people skills; and confidence. Here are a few links that you might find more credible than a random person's opinion:

www.cutco.com/company/skill11.jsp
www.cutco.com/company/skill13.jsp

You can browse through more if you feel the need.

3. It's a scam!!!!

I can honestly say that anybody who believes this company is a scam simply by going to the initial interview has either been reading too many bogus entries on forums like this, or they have serious trust issues probably derived from how they were treated as a kid. Cutco has sold $200 Million plus or minus annually every year I have worked for them. Anybody who's been through the training can see the incredible earning potential. (See nex

4. It's door to door sales.

Also wrong. Although in some instances the approach vector takes (direct selling) may be confused with door to door, it's not. In fact if the company finds out you are selling door to door you will probably be let go.

5. The turnover rate is so high, it can't be legit.

Think about it folks, if the company doesn't pay you unless you sell knives for them, do you really think they are going to be picky about who they hire? Your response to this will be "Well what about the $16/appointment they promised me, is this a lie?" No, it's not a lie, but out of every single person I've worked with at Vector (hundreds), I've only come across maybe three or four people who were consistently getting paid the minimum instead of the commission. Obviously these people didn't last very long and they learned a very valuable lesson: Direct Selling isn't for them.

6. They are too expensive too sell.

Nonsense. The knives sell themselves, all you have to do is go through the motions the company has come up with (with the right attitude of course) and you will sell lots of knives. There aren't many products out there that are still 100% made in America and guaranteed forever, no questions asked.

I can go on and on deciphering the truth about how Vector is an excellent company to work for and how there is an excellent income opportunity, but the skeptics will always be skeptics. In their eyes Vector/Cutco is a scam, we didn't land on the moon, and 9/11 was an inside job. To these people all I can say is it will be a sad day when you realize things aren't going to be handed to you your whole life. To those of you thinking about starting a job with Cutco here's the most honest summary about the job you'll ever receive:

It is not the end all job from the heavens but it is a job you can enjoy and take some valuable skills from when you part ways. It will look good on your resume and I guarantee you won't regret it.

This guy is killin me! This company preys on the young and naive.I do agree that it teaches its victims a valuble lesson. As far as seeing it on a resume, Id give the kid a job out of pity.

TOTAL SCAM!!!!

True story.

I went for the interview. Guy start cutting pennies and ropes in half to show what great products they are. I saw the scam coming. I am proud to say how i shot this idiot down. This was in Jacksonville, FL around 2000, maybe 1999. The loser was doing his demonstration when I interrupted him and asked him if we had to buy anything. Make a long story short I started to walk out in the middle of his pitch and he got mad. Really mad.

He asked that i remain seated until he was through. I simply said I don't have time for these kind of scams. About half of the room walked out with me. haha! It was so hilarious. I should have sent them my dry cleaning bill as I came in to the interview looking sharp as a tack.

BTW: They will try to get you to sell this garbage to friends and family. Want a good knife set? Go to Wal-Mart. Much cheaper and they will take it back if you don't like them.

You would do better selling newspapers on the side of the road.

Point of the story is:

The applicant is their market. That is who they are selling to. Applicants!

College Students:
Please do not fall for this SCAM. If it is too good to be true it probably is.

Wow what a disapointment. I had an interview yesterday and it went exactly as many people have described: it was in an area that was hard to find, in a worn-down office next to a warehouse, and they told me they were extremely busy but yet I was still able to have an interview that same day. I've been looking for a job for months and when I heard I got it I was so happy. Now that I've read these comments... what a disappointment. Even if Vector isn't a scam, if so many people have so many negative things to say about it, then its just not worth the risk.

People can say or defend this company if they want to but I know first hand what it is they do. I am not a young teenager or college student......I am a mature woman that was looking for a job, and instead caught there scam........it is what it is. A real job pays you simply put. You do not pay them....... I know there will be a rebutal
however facts is facts........I answered a ad for a clerical job, instead went to a knife show and that is all there is to it.

I think that the majority of people who go to these so called interviews are really let down, and even if one in 100 is able to make a buck that is the one in 100......what about the 99........Most people are seeking Job security and when they see a ad that says clerical, customer service and other such things they come for those reasons. not to buy knifes , not to listen to a sales pitch. They come to inquire about a real job and speak with a real supervisor and do a real interview......that's just how it is not hard feelings of any kind just the facts

I have to admit, I wasn't able to wade through all of the comments, but I felt the need to post.

I started working for Vector Marketing the summer of 1999. I didn't make loads of money, but I worked hard and I did well for myself. During the two summers I worked as a sales rep I met interesting people, had unique experiences and I made some great friends.

I continued with the company as an employee (as the Central Region's Assistant Sales Promotion Manager) for a year after graduating college. It was a great way to get my feet wet in the "real world".

Yep, I had to buy a starter kit. And I still use those knives and super shears every single day. Nope, I didn't get paid for the training I received. But even almost a decade later I still use the information I gleaned from those three days in my current job.

The one thing I think really encompasses working for Vector Marketing is that it's a job unlike any other and truly your attitude determines what you get out of it.

marketingpr.suite101.com/article.cfm/vector_marketing_is_not_a_scam

Here's an article about Vector that might be interesting...

I have a friend who was taken advantage of by this company too. At Concordia college today there was a recruiter in fancy clothes handing out cards with "Summer Work $15 base pay." This company is so decieving and they recruit people who are most vulnerable. Colleges don't even recognize this and allow these recruiters to come in backed up by the college's unresearched approval. They play a lot of mind games saying "THE position I'm looking to fill right now is," as if the job was so great that everyone wants to do it but they only have one position open.

Krystal in Roseville, California said: Hi my name is Krystal and i jus recently found out about the job on craigs list and i called them an got the machine and they called me back that same day and they told me the had scheduled me an interveiw for monday the 2nd of july and i went to that interview an during the interveiw there was like 16 people there an the lady told me it was jus gonna be me and this lady named emma arnold well wen i got there the lady had me sign my name and fill out a application so i did and handed it back then she took me and 2 other people and we all 3 went in to meet with this guy named ryan well he told the 2 other people to go wait in the other room for emma and he told me that he wanted me to stay for the second interview ( there was no second interveiw the only thing that we did was sit in a room with15 other people an wait for emma to come in and talk about the company and then she had us take notes then answer some questions then we turned them in an she told us we would be hearing from her and like 3hours later this lady called me an told me i was accepted for a position and told me i had to go to training thursday friday an saturday and i am having second thoughts bout the job because my step mom told me that she had worked for them an it was like her paying them to work there and she had told me she never recieved any money at all from them and that they owe her $7,000 so i dont kno what im gonna do.

I don't know about you, but I was trained at the same place you were with the same supervisor about the same time. Anyways, I always received my pay just as I was promised (it was only $600, but I wasn't a very good sales rep). Anyways, I would double check the paperwork you gave and signed to them to make sure the accounts you gave them were correct. Also, I don't know why you're complaining so much. The hassles of waiting and job training are normal aspects of businesses.

Zap in Tempe, Arizona said: Me and my wife have been victoms of this Cutco scam with vector Marketing, they have sold us demo knives and we returned the knives back. NOW we are being reported to a Credit Reporting so called Specialists that works for Cutco. they are scums of the earth to rob us like this, Please do not Work for this Scam Marketing company, MY wife and I have spent 2 to 3 days in the fake orintation and went out to sell the knives, the knives would not cut as shown in orintation, and the sciccors would not cut a chicken bone or penny, this was a joke!!!! So my wife and I returned the knives 1 year ago and now we get contacted that we still have the knives???? If you have any advice please contact us asap! thank you for your time

Wow. I've worked with the company for 3 years, the scissors WILL cut a penny, the knife DOES cut the rope. I don't understand why you complain so much. Anyway I thought I might be able to help you out. The reason you are being called is because Vector is extremely dedicated to customer satisfaction. Each office gets a print out of all the customers that have bought in the past every now and then. They then call the past customers and make sure their knives are working out for them and see if they'd like some one to come out to there home and sharpen/polish the knives for FREE!!! It's just a service. Anyway, I guess they don't take your name off the list when you return them... glitch in the system. I don't understand why anyone would return them, they are the "craftsman" of cutlery.

gamecock11 in West Union, South Carolina said: First of all let me say to some of those out there who have had a bad experience with Vector Marketing because of an incompetent or just plain bad manager, I am sorry for the words I am about to say....

I am just going to lay it out there very simply....

1. I love my Job with Vector!!!
2. I have got valuable Skills to carry me throughout life.
3. It is actually one of the most honest and fair companies I have ever seen!
4. I am sorry to all those out there who hate Vector because it made them work for something!
5. Everybody thinks the sample kit is "some big scam." ok, first of all, Vector works with over 40,000 college students a year! Lets logically think about this...If vector loaned a $147 worth of inventory out to everyone...I would think there would be a lot of scamming and it wouldn't be done by Vector
6. How can a scam be allowed to operate for 59 years straight, be backed by the better business bureau, be part of the direct selling association, it be used as a FREAKIN college class at three major universites (Illinois State, NC State, and Purdue)

7. Bottom Line is guys, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves coming on here complaining and moaning about something many of you know nothing about turning kids away to an opportunity that could benefit there lives in a major way.To anyone that is on here looking to interview or train with Vector, I reccommend you give it a shot and if its not for you, then just DONT DO IT! Once again, for those that have had bad experiences due to individual managers, I am sorry for this.

RIGHT ON BROTHA!

I had a interview yesterday as a "Receptionist" at Vector Marketing. Receptionist??? I'd like to know what their definition of a Receptionist is? "Training" at $5 an hour? No company sign on the door. And part time after. I didn't get hired thank goodness. I left thinking what the heck was that. . . an interview??? Hardly. Looked like some sort of pyramid scheme/scam! EGAD! My cell just rang and guess who??? Please stay away from these people they are bad news and awfully suspicious! Hmmm. Maybe the media should be alerted to this! The job market may be tight now but this is no good!

I got a letter in the mail from them with summer job offers. I gave them a call, and they wouldn't answer any questions. All the person that answered the phone would reply was to give me your information, and we will call you back in 45 minutes. It seemed strange that they wouldn't say give any basic answers about what their company does, what kind of job I'd be applying for, or anything like that, so I got a bit skeptical and told them that I'd call them back in 45 minutes.

I decided to google them, and I'm glad I did. Any job where you need to pay initially to work isn't a good thing...

gurl im in the same situation i got training thruday-sat and im debating too

www.santabarbara.bbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=15000940

Check it out. Scam right? Wrong.

Hopefully some of you made it this far, if the company was so bad, and so terrible, why? WHY? I ask, would its employees get on here and so ruthlessly defend it. Vector has changed my life for the better, I've seen it for many others as well. Changed from a small town dishwasher @ a bbq resturant to a full time business owner with enough experience to get another great job without a degree. People in this business do get stuck though. With all the company offers its incredibly hard to LEAVE. I love this job, I love this company, I love my reps, and I love that I can actually do something with my life now. But you can make your own decisions. I'm pleased with mine.

I'll admit, Vector does have some devious ways of recruiting new sales represenatives, and if you don't know anything about the company its very misleading. But some of you people need to get your facts straight.

Vector is not Door-to-door, you don't walk around neighborhoods you've never been to before with a bag of knives. Clients have previously agreed to let you come into their homes and demonstrate the product with no obligation to buy. And it is not the type of telemarketing most people have in mind. Reps don't flip through phone books and call random residences, most of the time clients are aware ahead of time that the sales rep will be contacting them.

Those of you that have actually had some kind of interaction with Vector associates can't base your opinion of the whole company because of one individual that represents it. I myself had a bad experience with Vector because my manager had no idea what he was doing and was inept at his job. But I can tell you if you're willing to work a little bit you can go a long way with Vector. All of you whining and complaining about having to buy a starter kit and go to conferences and whatnot, grow up and learn that you have to invest to see a return. If you are willing to do that on occasion then I hope you have fun working at McDonald's for the rest of your life.

And no one can say anything about the product. Vector doesn't scam customers into buying cheap crap. Cutco makes the best kitchen knives hands-down.

Most of you need to chill out and grow up. Vector, while it has its flaws, is still a respectable company which gives students (providing they're willing to get off their lazy asses and work a little bit) some incredible opportunities.

Matadorlady in Roseville, Michigan said: I had a interview yesterday as a "Receptionist" at Vector Marketing. Receptionist??? I'd like to know what their definition of a Receptionist is? "Training" at $5 an hour? No company sign on the door. And part time after. I didn't get hired thank goodness. I left thinking what the heck was that. . . an interview??? Hardly. Looked like some sort of pyramid scheme/scam! EGAD! My cell just rang and guess who??? Please stay away from these people they are bad news and awfully suspicious! Hmmm. Maybe the media should be alerted to this! The job market may be tight now but this is no good!

if you don't know what a "Receptionist" does, you should probably be working fast food anyways.

ok this tennis teacher guy seems to be a child molester. "milk and cookies" yeah ok. nice try dude. i'd rather work for vector

I'm an assistant manager with vector (full time recruiting assistant), and I LOVE my job. I love going to work every day (how many people can say that?!?!), I love running interviews- I'm a 20 year old college kid and I've recruited over 100 people!- I love making a positive impact on people's lives, and I love love love my team, they are amazing.

I want to eventually start a personal life coaching business, and the experiences, people skills, confidence, work ethic, motivational skills and just plain presence I've picked up working here has me on the perfect track to achieving my goals.

Not to mention when you're a sales rep you get paid for hanging out with cool people and cutting food, which is sweet.

Here's hoping my positivity stands out amongst all the negativity surrounding it and changes the decision of at least one person on the fence!

Shan in Nashville, Tennessee said: This company calls you for an interview, and some people as soon as they walked back would walk right back out. Well come to find out he says that if he didn't like the way you looked when he first met you then he won't hire you. Then we find out that we are trying to sell knives and things. But of course he didn't mention the fact that we have to invest over a 100 bucks to start the job. We have to purchase the knives and then use that as our sells guide to show customers. This was the biggest scam I had ran across yet. Any business you have to invest money in to get hired, you should know it just ain't right!!!How do they expect you to purchase something like that and you are trying to get a job. Oh you don't want to talk about the door to door sales. Yeah you need to find your own people to sale to by the way. If this sounds like the job for you, then goodluck to you!!

I got the same call not 10 minutes after I applied on-line! I was even late for my other job that day because of this stupid interview. I went for the first two days of the "training". I almost bolted and ran when I found out the price of the "sample kit". I should have known better because I got lured into a similar type of thing several years ago. I started selling cosmetics. Don't get me wrong, the products are outstanding. But, it was a streatch to spend $225 on a sample kit and then have to buy inventory on top of that. But, I'm getting off on a rabbit trail.
I did a little research on-line and found this forum. It's not the only place where I found negative stuff about this company and it's so-called marketing practicing. If these knives are truly as good as they seem to be then why is it necessary to use Vector Marketing to hide the fact that the reps sell knives?

How Stupid and immature can you children be. Its sales, its a sample kit. When you have a job in construction you have to bring your own tools so its the same thing. Your just mad because you didnt get the job. Its not our fault your not qualified for the position.

so i have read many sites about vector. i notice someone posted vectormarketing.com to prove the company tells you what you will be doing. that may be on that site. i found the company on this site: workforstudents.com/index.do?country=us&session=1211095802943PSVF

good luck finding out what the company does from that site.

and if this was on the up and up, why was vector sued so many times, including by the state of Arozona?

joe in La Fayette, New York said: just a tip... if you are going to post about Vector being a scam when thousands of college and highschool students have benefitted from the experience of it, then you might want to atleast use proper grammar and spelling. half of the sentences in 75% of the posts that i have read don't even come close to making sense in the english language. If you want to be a credible source, you might want to sound like one.

ummm, this is a post by a supposed vector secretary on the first page. check out the AWESOME grammar from one of your fellow employees

"I'm a receptionist for vector and all of you who think this is a scam your idiot's. This is one of the best companies I have ever worked for. your given the opportunity to make so much money. I really don't know any person that wouldn't want the opportunity to make a whole bunch of money. I guess the losers who come in one day and expect to have a big paycheck at the end of the week but don't make the effort to do the work would call this thing a scam. Its a scam to them because their lazy and don't want to work for their money, they want i handed to them!!!!"

jimbojimmy said: so i have read many sites about vector. i notice someone posted vectormarketing.com to prove the company tells you what you will be doing. that may be on that site. i found the company on this site: workforstudents.com/index.do?country=us&session=1211095802943PSVF

good luck finding out what the company does from that site.

and if this was on the up and up, why was vector sued so many times, including by the state of Arozona?

www.santabarbara.bbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=15000940

read it.

jimbojimmy said: ummm, this is a post by a supposed vector secretary on the first page. check out the AWESOME grammar from one of your fellow employees

"I'm a receptionist for vector and all of you who think this is a scam your idiot's. This is one of the best companies I have ever worked for. your given the opportunity to make so much money. I really don't know any person that wouldn't want the opportunity to make a whole bunch of money. I guess the losers who come in one day and expect to have a big paycheck at the end of the week but don't make the effort to do the work would call this thing a scam. Its a scam to them because their lazy and don't want to work for their money, they want i handed to them!!!!"

Both of you are taking low shots that don't have any relation to the issue being discussed. Bad spelling or grammar doesn't prove anything about the company.

Jessica Biggs in Chattanooga, Tennessee said: Both of you are taking low shots that don't have any relation to the issue being discussed. Bad spelling or grammar doesn't prove anything about the company.

i don't deny that. but if he is gonna bash people fod not sounding credible due to horrible grammar, then he needs to take a look at his fellow employees too

Jessica Biggs in Chattanooga, Tennessee said: www.santabarbara.bbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=15000940

read it.

you did not address either of my points. the website they use at my school does not say anything about what they actually do. and why were they sued by the government?

jimbojimmy said: i don't deny that. but if he is gonna bash people fod not sounding credible due to horrible grammar, then he needs to take a look at his fellow employees too

if you reread my comment then you'll see its aimed at both you and the vector employee you quoted as well. Anyone who thinks pointing out someone's grammar is going to strengthen their argument is being immature and naive regardless of what "side" they happen to be on.

oh i know. i am just needlessly defending my own immaturity ;)

jimbojimmy said: you did not address either of my points. the website they use at my school does not say anything about what they actually do. and why were they sued by the government?

I'd like to see some links to some info saying when where and why Vector was sued and by whom, because I have never heard of Vector having any problems like that.

i am truly amazed that you were unable to find it. google is a good tool. here is just one of the many sites

"At the same time, the statement refers to some "growing pains" the company has had to face. Pains that "are a matter of historical fact," said the statement. Most likely, this is a reference to Vector's previous legal disputes, such as in 1990 with the attorney general of Arizona, in 1994 with the state of Wisconsin, or in 1999 with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission."

media.www.thejusticeonline.com/media/storage/paper573/news/2003/09/09/Features/Students.Recruited.For.Sharp.Job-460550-page2.shtml

here is another link. 2 government suits and one private suit

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:Fefywtkf2dwJ:www.theseahawk.org/news/2004/09/30/News/Students.Unite.Against.Vector-735862.shtml+vector+marketing+sued&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

Thank you to those who posted links to the suits. I was not aware that Vector had been sued before. The articles only cite the suits and seem to be online student newspapers, but both match. Does anyone have any links to detailed information about these lawsuits?

I still stand by Vector as a company though. Each individual office and manager cannot be a measure of judgment for the entire company. Sales has always been a controversial business anyhow and isn't for everyone, but Vector Marketing does not have an agenda to scam its reps.

As an assistant manager, I saw that many of the reps in our office that had complaints weren't willing to put forth effort to make the money and earn the opportunity to make a lot more, and expected that everything was going to be handed to them.

If you can't take on responsibility, then, no, Vector and many other jobs are not for you. But there are many people (college students) who have had great success with Vector and just because you happen to be that kind of person that wants everything handed to you when you work somewhere for minimum wage doesn't mean you have the right to throw a temper tantrum and draw a bunch of other people into it.

I was called today by a recruiter for Vector Marketing. It was interesting how she would give me absolutely no information as to what they did (complete run-around), however, apparently a so-called friend recommended me for this job. I googled Vector Marketing and found a few different sites like this one.

I've worked in sales for over six years. I've worked for college universities teaching classes for two years. I'm currently a student now. From the sounds of it, this is not a "scam," however, the ethical dilemmas that are brought about do seem to raise some questions. Never, in my years of employment, have I HAD to invest in a company's product.

So, since their has been conflicting reports, let's give it to vector and say you don't HAVE to purchase any Cutco products. Let's give the benefit of the doubt to Vector and say that it's not a scam. Why would managers WANT to hire more people, unless they were receiving kickbacks for their sales? Not bonuses, but actual profits off of an "associates" sales. I also find it extremely interesting that you say you don't mind going to these "meetings" that help you sell, because they'll give you "experience you'll use for the rest of your life." Why not go to college? The investment (money and time) used for college, will transfer to anywhere you go, unlike your "sales" experience from Vector Marketing. I mean, unless you want to work in retail. Go look at any reputable job-search website, everything that allows you to make 50k+ per year, will all involve at least a bachelor's degree. In today's world, you can still make it without a college degree; however, the chances are slim. (Continued)

I also question the integrity and the intelligence from some of the people who support this company. Calling people idiots, whether it's online or not, is not good policy for ANY company. Also, it seems that the employees for VM lack typing, spelling, and grammatical skills that should be used constantly in any professional environment.

Jake Lawson in Virginia said: I also question the integrity and the intelligence from some of the people who support this company. Calling people idiots, whether it's online or not, is not good policy for ANY company. Also, it seems that the employees for VM lack typing, spelling, and grammatical skills that should be used constantly in any professional environment.

I happen to be a college student and Vector was a summer job for me. It is for most people. If you're looking for a full time job then by all means, don't work for Vector unless you're already a manager. Yes I do mind going to the meetings seeing as how you have to pay for them yourself (that's one of the reason's I don't plan on working for them again this summer) and I agree that Vector does not always have the most ethical business practices, but to call the company a scam is absolute nonsense and I believe that is the main topic of this forum and what we're all trying to establish one way or another.

And I thought we established that pointing out people's misspellings and grammar mistakes was a cheap shot.

It won't let me make a comment. Gosh, that's frustrating. Vulgar language?

Uuh. It 's obvious that the proponents, who's typing and grammar are near-perfect and who's comments are almost always sugar-coated and rainbowy are vector supportees. I mean, come on now. Who really loves their job enough to go out, find people ripping on it, and then write some amicable report on it? I mean, if I was working at Mc' Donalds, and someone said that it was beelzebub incarnate, I could really give half of a rat's back end about it. It's pretty ridiculous for the proponents to make any comment whatsoever about any advantage of their company. Unless, of course, the propopents were to gain from their endeavor. And who would stand to gain, but a promoter. . .manager, whatever I'm guessing, who can get more money or man-power by people being gullible enough to join in on the fun.

Only the people who have been duped would themselves be angry enough to go out and SEARCH for an opputrunity to point out it's flaws and corruption. And hey, how is it someone can type, "idiot", but I put satan or beelzebub and I have to rewrite it. That's. . .ah, not heterosexual. There we go. But, as I was saying. The indviduals who rip on Vector have nothing to gain. They're venting frustration, which means that vector had to have screwed them pretty properly.

Now myself, I'm going to go to that there vector marketing meeting. Not because I want to go door-to-door, no sir. I'm certain that this company scams people. I hope only that they'll see such a perceptive individual as myself -toots own horn- as being valuable as a scamsperson. Cough, "Manager". or whatever. So long as I have definite pay.

Oh yeah. Someone typed, the A word. THATS CURSING. Why in the heck did I have to rewrite my box like seven times? Man, that's . . .not heterosexual. Just. . .had to add that in. Sorry folks. But yeah. It certainly seems Vector is a scamming company. . .". . .targets mostly high-school graduates and college students", the two most starving and desperate classification of people in the US of A. Their knives could be reliable. But really, who cares? And that this whole bit about the interview is a bunch of bullocks. Is that still in fashion? Bullocks? Anyway. Yeah. A fast interviewing process. . .in fact, they are willing to call YOU,an almost definite guarantee of being hired, deceptive wording, 18$ base pay. . .the fact that it is a business which involved direct customare sales. . . the greatest scamming of all. . .and the fact that people rush out and say, "I LOVE MY JOB!" all point to one giant pyramid scam. I mean, porn stars aren't as enthusiastic. But, that's my bit. I need sleep.

Rebecca19 in Miami, Florida said: I'm an assistant manager with vector (full time recruiting assistant), and I LOVE my job. I love going to work every day (how many people can say that?!?!), I love running interviews- I'm a 20 year old college kid and I've recruited over 100 people!- I love making a positive impact on people's lives, and I love love love my team, they are amazing.

I want to eventually start a personal life coaching business, and the experiences, people skills, confidence, work ethic, motivational skills and just plain presence I've picked up working here has me on the perfect track to achieving my goals.

Not to mention when you're a sales rep you get paid for hanging out with cool people and cutting food, which is sweet.

Here's hoping my positivity stands out amongst all the negativity surrounding it and changes the decision of at least one person on the fence!

Amen Brotha!!!! I'm a manager in Mississippi. I like looking at this stuff because I think it's hilarious how much junk people can talk about our company! Scam or not, the program works, and results are all that matter.