WHO ELSE GOT FIRED FROM WACHOVIA THIS PAST WEEK IN GEORGIA???

Sorry everyone, just asking because the attorney called me back and asked these questions.

I'm white.. but have a hispanic origin/

pissed off girl white in Birmingham, Alabama said: To all of the terminated employees who had a license.
I spoke with a couple of buddies with the NASD and they both confirmed that if you were not terminated for an issue which involved securities, they SHOULD NOT have left a remark on yout U5 such as switching account types or something similar. I was also told that if that was done, it was done puposely in an efort to hinder other Institutions from hiring you all, but remember, if it was not securities related, you should not have a problem finding work since everyone and their mama knows whats going on with Wachovia.

I heard that to. It's called "noncompete" or something like that.
I haven't got my u5 yet or my termination letter, but from what I understand from others it said "terminated for non securites unethical behavior"
I am just waiting to see.

also this crazy firing spree was in my opinion a way to reduce work force on the east coast.
I have not heard a word from texas, louisina and or other states.. Just the East Coast..

Yes I think that's correct..
I don't know, but all I know is I lost insurance for my family and I have an ill husband. I can't sleep and I pace a lot just trying to figure out what I can do.
I spend a lot of time crying and the other time just angry.
I am embarrassed by the accusation of being called "unethical" and I feel that that word alone can keep you from getting another job in the industry.

I have the name of one employee put on probation.. If you are in Georgia. We need to all meet in one central place with our spouses for safety.
This way we can do formal intros. Each state needs to arrange such a deal.

I am willing although I am scared. First we have to trust or we will never get anywhere.

I know joker and dr....
pissedoffwhitegirl...
I am the one you originally emailed
I had to change names as I was getting harassed once I posted my email.
by random, creepy people. You can confirm this with Joker if you want.
I no longer have your email as I deleted my entire mailbox.
Don't post where you think we should meet as others will be reading this and that's scary.

I know I can get one FS to come with me
Think about it.. Don't come by yourself and lets pick a very, very public place,
maybe in Atlanta.

We can bring our Termination letters to show who we are.. just a thought
I haven't got mine yet as I was "officially" let go Friday after 2 wks admin leave.

pissed off girl white in Birmingham, Alabama said: dealornodeal196, Hey do me a favor, get my email address from Joker and shoot me an email. Not sure exactly who you are.

we have got to come up with a method of a meeting do anyone have any suggestions, please email me at HazelBrown49@yahoo.com, because tommorrow is our timeline for those who were put on admin leave in Georgia, email me i can go into further details

pissed off girl white in Birmingham, Alabama said: dealornodeal196, Hey do me a favor, get my email address from Joker and shoot me an email. Not sure exactly who you are.

ok...
doing it now..

dealornodeal196 in somewher, Belize said: ok...
doing it now..

pissed off, I am so inundated with garbage right now, shoot me an email so i know which one yours is, also deal is the same person she states she is. for sure

hazelb in allover, Georgia said: we have got to come up with a method of a meeting do anyone have any suggestions, please email me at HazelBrown49@yahoo.com, because tommorrow is our timeline for those who were put on admin leave in Georgia, email me i can go into further details

I have just emailed you and dealornodeal. I agree we should meet and discuss our next steps. I am one of you and also have a co-worker who also got terminated.

guys, honestly we need to get all of the "other people" that have been terminated on this board. We need more support and they need to get involved.

pissed off girl white in Birmingham, Alabama said: Sounds great and It appears although you may have a class action suite, it is critical for EACH STATE to stay in contact with each other and get as much information as humanly possible. I can't say for sure if it was black/white, but I can say that from the research I have done, the ones that were dismissed in the Atlanta region were not white.

I am not sure if it is a white/black issue in Ga since I am neither black nor white and I was still terminated.

upset-n-angry in Georgia said: I am not sure if it is a white/black issue in Ga since I am neither black nor white and I was still terminated.

I agree, we are losing focus, I can assure you all this is a crown issue, a reduction in expense issue, an elimination of severance issue and a totally riculous issue (it is a scapegoat sitauton that wb thinks they can get away with unloading us without severance). That means no writedowns for severance and they feel in the publics eye thats great becasue they didnt have to announce severance or a press release on another writeoff. I would say not to read into it any further than the pure facts. Stick with how you feel. If it is discrimination, it is becasue Wachovia did not fire everyone involved in maintenancing accounts, and they did not treat everone the same for the same reasons. Yes, I am sure you can pursue a bunch of different issues, like black/white, man/woman, probably religion if you pry enough into it, but reality is that it was cost control aka crown layoff. All we should be concerned with is finding a job without the u5 mess and be compensated for what we have done for wb which is a hell of a lot. I dont care what wachovia does, I am done with them, they are trying to ruin my great carreer and my well being. In the end I will not let them do that to me.

Keep in mind, attorneys will be out to make money, but will make you feel like they are your best friend. They will all keep asking discrimination questions believe me. We need to tell them how it is and not to waste time, and by no means am i saying this attorney is wasting our time right now, I am saying in general. Just keep pluggin away, like we did everyday for wb. We were all successful, there is no reason we wont be in attaining a lawyer to make this situation right.

lawyergurl in halador, District of Columbia said: Ok, I have a friend who got put on probation for changing the accounts because their boss knew about it and she was never told not to do it.
I think the law basically says that you can be fired for whatever reason except you cannot be discriminated agaist. Which in essence means that if someone was fired and someone else was just given probation that is discrimination. Any thoughts??

I was put on Admin leave for the same thing and another friend and fellow fs was fired and another was fired then called back and then put on admin leave. What is wrong with Wachovia? I didn't know it was wrong either. I did what the boss said too.

I was fired then the next day put on admin leave as well. Eight days later I was told I was coming back. Then on day nine they fired me. We were ordered to open acct. in this fashion by our Sales manager. Everyone in management knew about it. We were fired with no idea we had done anything wrong. They let the the two top FS go in our market. They also took back my last check and gave away my pipeline and security sales to other FS.

mark hassler in Commerce, Georgia said: I was fired then the next day put on admin leave as well. Eight days later I was told I was coming back. Then on day nine they fired me. We were ordered to open acct. in this fashion by our Sales manager. Everyone in management knew about it. We were fired with no idea we had done anything wrong. They let the the two top FS go in our market. They also took back my last check and gave away my pipeline and security sales to other FS.

Mark, you know you bring up a great point. The leaders get paid for sales credits and they tell the other FS's to take validations, or pipeline, and sales from those that leave the company. I think that is definitely UNETHICAL if you ask me. wachovia has to pay for this somehow. Unfortunately for you, welcome to the forum.

Does anyone know that they brought anyone back after they were put on leave? I havent heard but ther may be someone out there.

joker032 said: I agree, we are losing focus, I can assure you all this is a crown issue, a reduction in expense issue, an elimination of severance issue and a totally riculous issue (it is a scapegoat sitauton that wb thinks they can get away with unloading us without severance). That means no writedowns for severance and they feel in the publics eye thats great becasue they didnt have to announce severance or a press release on another writeoff. I would say not to read into it any further than the pure facts. Stick with how you feel. If it is discrimination, it is becasue Wachovia did not fire everyone involved in maintenancing accounts, and they did not treat everone the same for the same reasons. Yes, I am sure you can pursue a bunch of different issues, like black/white, man/woman, probably religion if you pry enough into it, but reality is that it was cost control aka crown layoff. All we should be concerned with is finding a job without the u5 mess and be compensated for what we have done for wb which is a hell of a lot. I dont care what wachovia does, I am done with them, they are trying to ruin my great carreer and my well being. In the end I will not let them do that to me.

Keep in mind, attorneys will be out to make money, but will make you feel like they are your best friend. They will all keep asking discrimination questions believe me. We need to tell them how it is and not to waste time, and by no means am i saying this attorney is wasting our time right now, I am saying in general. Just keep pluggin away, like we did everyday for wb. We were all successful, there is no reason we wont be in attaining a lawyer to make this situation right.

It has been a busy day.. I've been information gathering, filing for unemployment and getting my story out. I have an appt with a local columnist who is sometimes picked up by major papers. They attend my church. Pray he runs it!!!

Hay everybody...my wife just found this on the internet and I just talked to him. You should give him a call.

Anyone who feels they were unjustly fired over the crown acct fiasco please fax your terminantion notice to the following law firm in DC. This firm is enlisting other firms from what I understand to work together to make sure each person from each state is represented fairly
They are working this weekend on this and need you to fax your "pink slips" and or call him ASAP

We are currently representing several fired financial consultants

Walter G. Birkel, Esq.
Tighe Patton Armstrong Teasdale, PLLC
1747 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
Suite 300
Washington, D.C. 20006
Phone: (202) 454-2841
Fax: (202) 454-2805

Hey Mark,

Are you the inbodiment of your former FSL by name only??? :))
Just curious
Welcome aboard

dealornodeal196 in somewher, Belize said: Amen to that,

It has been a busy day.. I've been information gathering, filing for unemployment and getting my story out. I have an appt with a local columnist who is sometimes picked up by major papers. They attend my church. Pray he runs it!!!

I guess that I don't understand. Why haven't you received your termination documentation? You should have recived it when your RBD terminated you. Were you terminated first and then put on admin leave and fired again? So does that mean that you don't have any docs about your termination? What infor did you take to the unemployment office? Did your RBD terminate you or your sales leader? Where did the termination take place?

channing n1 in Decatur, Georgia said: I guess that I don't understand. Why haven't you received your termination documentation? You should have recived it when your RBD terminated you. Were you terminated first and then put on admin leave and fired again? So does that mean that you don't have any docs about your termination? What infor did you take to the unemployment office? Did your RBD terminate you or your sales leader? Where did the termination take place?

I have not gotten anything on the second termination. I was fired by my regional vp. My sales manager said that he had not clue what was going on when it happened...You think you are confused...try being in my shoes.

channing n1 in Decatur, Georgia said: I guess that I don't understand. Why haven't you received your termination documentation? You should have recived it when your RBD terminated you. Were you terminated first and then put on admin leave and fired again? So does that mean that you don't have any docs about your termination? What infor did you take to the unemployment office? Did your RBD terminate you or your sales leader? Where did the termination take place?

I was put on admin leave for 2 wks.. no call from anyone until my 2 wks was up and last Friday I was fired by my RBD. I didn't receive anything.
I was fired over the phone.

dealornodeal196 in somewher, Belize said: I was put on admin leave for 2 wks.. no call from anyone until my 2 wks was up and last Friday I was fired by my RBD. I didn't receive anything.
I was fired over the phone.

the second time I was fired over the phone, again by the Regional vp

dealornodeal196 in somewher, Belize said: I was put on admin leave for 2 wks.. no call from anyone until my 2 wks was up and last Friday I was fired by my RBD. I didn't receive anything.
I was fired over the phone.

If you know anything about HR procedures, you should know that this was incorrect. Did you call HR about how you were terminated?

Yes, I have been in touch with HR today but they didn't say anything about the way I was let go.. Was it the wrong way??

Note to self...
Tomorrow: Call HR!!!!!!!!
Crayzy mixed up company

mark hassler in Commerce, Georgia said: the second time I was fired over the phone, again by the Regional vp

same thing happened to me too. I was called to the rbd's office and given a termination notice and then next day he calls me and tells me i am on 10 day admin leave and there will be an investigator assigned. after 10 days he calls me on the phone and says investigation is complete and they could not find evidence supporting what i had said so he tells me i am terminated. (over the phone)

dealornodeal196 in somewher, Belize said: Yes I think that's correct..
I don't know, but all I know is I lost insurance for my family and I have an ill husband. I can't sleep and I pace a lot just trying to figure out what I can do.
I spend a lot of time crying and the other time just angry.
I am embarrassed by the accusation of being called "unethical" and I feel that that word alone can keep you from getting another job in the industry.

I was a Mortgage Consultant in Branch in the west, a legacy WS loan officer. I have an ill husband too and tried to hang on with Wachovia since we needed the insurance and the COBRA is so expensive. But the pressure and stress got so bad I thought I was going to have a break down so I had to quit; eventually I would have been "managed out"; that way they can avoid severance. I am over 60 and have heard from several sources that Wachovia gets rid of older workers so they won't have to pay retirement benefits.

I spoke with an FS in the west a few days and was told they received a memo stating the rules on the crown accounts, referrals, etc. They did not know why they got it, but when I told them what I had been reading here it made sense. I said maybe Wachovia was setting the ground work for more firings, in the west this time.

A couple of comments on legal issues: first, see if the lawyers will work on contingency so they only get paid if they win. That saves you out of pocket money, especially at this time and it is also a good way to gauge how strong the attorneys feel your case is. Second, I don't know if signing the enhanced severance package would preclude anyone for persuing their legal rights if Wachovia violated labor laws. It might be worth a call to the dept of Labor to find out.

I am praying for you all each day. It is so hard to be in this situation (jobless, no insurance, completely stressed), but you are not alone. You are good people; don't let them take that away from you.

joker,

couldn't find a better way to say it. this is exactly what we need to do. get a lawyer that is confident he could win this case based on the discrimnation of not firing everyone that maintained crown accounts within the 90 day period, even the fsl's and the rbd's knew about this and just knowing is as guilty!! . the u5 is already a problem for all of us and it will come up in every interview and its really up to the employer to believe you or not.

IquitWMC in Alexandria, Virginia said: I was a Mortgage Consultant in Branch in the west, a legacy WS loan officer. I have an ill husband too and tried to hang on with Wachovia since we needed the insurance and the COBRA is so expensive. But the pressure and stress got so bad I thought I was going to have a break down so I had to quit; eventually I would have been "managed out"; that way they can avoid severance. I am over 60 and have heard from several sources that Wachovia gets rid of older workers so they won't have to pay retirement benefits.

I spoke with an FS in the west a few days and was told they received a memo stating the rules on the crown accounts, referrals, etc. They did not know why they got it, but when I told them what I had been reading here it made sense. I said maybe Wachovia was setting the ground work for more firings, in the west this time.

A couple of comments on legal issues: first, see if the lawyers will work on contingency so they only get paid if they win. That saves you out of pocket money, especially at this time and it is also a good way to gauge how strong the attorneys feel your case is. Second, I don't know if signing the enhanced severance package would preclude anyone for persuing their legal rights if Wachovia violated labor laws. It might be worth a call to the dept of Labor to find out.

I am praying for you all each day. It is so hard to be in this situation (jobless, no insurance, completely stressed), but you are not alone. You are good people; don't let them take that away from you.

I quit
thank you for your kind thoughts. I am sorry your husband is ill...
I do know something about that. I feel we have good people on this board and we welcome you here whole heartedly. I have communicated with some of them
You sound very sweet.
Have a great night and post anytime.

upset-n-angry in Georgia said: same thing happened to me too. I was called to the rbd's office and given a termination notice and then next day he calls me and tells me i am on 10 day admin leave and there will be an investigator assigned. after 10 days he calls me on the phone and says investigation is complete and they could not find evidence supporting what i had said so he tells me i am terminated. (over the phone)

Now this is ethical but did you ask him how you can obtain the information about the investigation. The bottom line is this, we were told by sales leaders to open crown accounts. There is really no investigation needed. Now we have to really get this out to the media. This is the only way that we will be able to get some results. Call HR and see if you can receive any evidence of the investigation.

dealornodeal196 in somewher, Belize said: Yes, I have been in touch with HR today but they didn't say anything about the way I was let go.. Was it the wrong way??

Call them back and question it. We have to continue to investigate them and their behavior. Ask them for your copy of the information on the investigation that was perform.

channing n1 in Decatur, Georgia said: Call them back and question it. We have to continue to investigate them and their behavior. Ask them for your copy of the information on the investigation that was perform.

Channing, hell of an idea, we should all do that immediately following any results. Interestly enough when I was sitting in front of the RBD who fired me within about 15 minutes, they gave me no info on accts, just had a list without names and did not give any addtl info. I am going to call HR every day and overwhelm them, hell, I have nothing to do anyway right!
Seriously though, think about this. Each leader was left out of the firing sessions with their direct reports!! why?? do you think they should be at risk,, hmmm YES!, and if they are at risk, who comes next, the RBD, I think there is more to this. They skipped over an entire job family to fire us and leaders, although had all authority to do anything they wanted, now had none?? Fishy I say.
this whole thing stinks real bad!!

oh I forgot, I think we need to start a new thread. it should mention Ga, nj, ny, dc or anyone else, it may attract more attention?? whatever, you guys think, although I would hate to lose the this threads postings.

Thoughts??

Being that I am thinking now, and thats never a good think. How about asking the attorney to question, or ask to be supplied a list of accounts maintenanced per FS within the company. I would bet my last breathe that EVERY FS in on there, and whether it was 1 or 250 in 2007, we should all either be fired or not. I bet that is a discrimiation suit. just a thought. I bet that outs a scare under big old wachovia.
Also, How do we feel with the DC lawyer any updates.
Anything else brewing.
I am compiling a list of people and their signon names based specifically off of this site abd yahoo, I spoke to a couple of you to verify who is trusted or not. So that should be out and we can start talking through email when things start getting heated.
We need everyone to support this site, so if someone u know is not posting here give them a shout and tell them it will be tremendously helpful.

joker032 said: Being that I am thinking now, and thats never a good think. How about asking the attorney to question, or ask to be supplied a list of accounts maintenanced per FS within the company. I would bet my last breathe that EVERY FS in on there, and whether it was 1 or 250 in 2007, we should all either be fired or not. I bet that is a discrimiation suit. just a thought. I bet that outs a scare under big old wachovia.
Also, How do we feel with the DC lawyer any updates.
Anything else brewing.
I am compiling a list of people and their signon names based specifically off of this site abd yahoo, I spoke to a couple of you to verify who is trusted or not. So that should be out and we can start talking through email when things start getting heated.
We need everyone to support this site, so if someone u know is not posting here give them a shout and tell them it will be tremendously helpful.

I agree and that was my argument from day one...

Can you email that info. This is so wrong on so many levels. How can they do this? As others are posting on this blog, it was common practice. I too was fired and then called 24 hours later to be told that they were going to do an investigation. What investigation? I was never called nor was my FSL. I told my RBD to ask the other FS's in our market about this. They have all been reaching out to me saying that it wasn't rignt and that they did it too. We need to band together and do what's right!!

suspicious in anywhere said: opps here's my email..

firedbywachovia1@yahoo.com

Yes, I agree we need to stick together. I agree with Channing in Decatur. This is a blessing in disguise, but we cannot let them get away with this.l We need to stand up and fight. They are a big corporation but we have our dignity to think about. In the six years that I have been with this company I have never had an instance where my ethics have been questioned. What do our customers think about us now? This is so wrong!!!

Like I said before.. what investigation took place? Was anyone at all contacted during our 10 day leave? I sure wasn't, nor was my FSL or any of the other FS's in our market..

mad as hell in anywhere, Georgia said: Like I said before.. what investigation took place? Was anyone at all contacted during our 10 day leave? I sure wasn't, nor was my FSL or any of the other FS's in our market..

I was not contacted except once by my fsl to ask me if HR had contacted me.. He was shocked that they had not. That's all.. Hr never contacted. Me.

pissed off girl white in Birmingham, Alabama said: While I am on a roll, let me bring this to the table also. Since mostly everyone here is no longer with the company, why not make it public who your FSL was, who was the RBD, and if there was a mentor or ready talent coordinator involved, put there name out there. let the world know.

see when i was initially fired my rbd told me that the investigator wilnything what i said. Thants it.l caontact me so go ahead and gather any evidence you have. i contacted some employees who said they will witness and talk to the investigator and confirm that we were told by leaders to lead with crown. After 8 days when nobody called me i called my rbd and he said oh it was my misunderstanding they are going to do the invetigation on their own. So bottom line is investigation was on what I said and nobody approached me. How do we trust them that they even did any inqiries. He just told me investigation is complete and they could not verify a

everyone in ga ...are we still meeting?

Heres another reality. Investigation - translation - lets stall for time so we can figure out if we will get sued for something like this or what the downside is. there was no investigation at all, it amounted to a report that reported maintenanced accounts prior to 96 day validation, if you can tell me one person who was questioned or consulted, I will drop dead.
Here is my take - WB can fire you at any time period. they can do whatever they want as that is the industry. I assume, and Ill let an attorney figure that out, they cannot put a comment on our U5s stating we were terminated for unethical acts when it is highly subjective. Not to mention the addiotnal subjectivity when they figure out who to go after and who stays with the company.

Yes that is correct Joker.

It is true.. I am prepared to wait it out and so are my other FS's....
I don't have a problem with that.

joker032 said: Heres another reality. Investigation - translation - lets stall for time so we can figure out if we will get sued for something like this or what the downside is. there was no investigation at all, it amounted to a report that reported maintenanced accounts prior to 96 day validation, if you can tell me one person who was questioned or consulted, I will drop dead.
Here is my take - WB can fire you at any time period. they can do whatever they want as that is the industry. I assume, and Ill let an attorney figure that out, they cannot put a comment on our U5s stating we were terminated for unethical acts when it is highly subjective. Not to mention the addiotnal subjectivity when they figure out who to go after and who stays with the company.[/QU

right on the money joker,

i already had an interview set up with boa, but when i filled out the paper work and i mentioned why i was terminated and they checked the u5, they wouldn't even conduct the intervire or let me explain what happened and said that they can't interview me with such comments on my u5!!. so basically they ruined our carrers in banking for good unless we fight to get those comments off of our u5's. this should be our first priorty. i will reach out to my lawyer tommrow to contact hr and provide proof to him to support what they put on my u5. any other ideas ?!!

upset-n-angry in Georgia said: everyone in ga ...are we still meeting?

Guys.. we need to meet.. This is way to serious to back down on.. Where and when?

pissed off girl white in Birmingham, Alabama said: While I am on a roll, let me bring this to the table also. Since mostly everyone here is no longer with the company, why not make it public who your FSL was, who was the RBD, and if there was a mentor or ready talent coordinator involved, put there name out there. let the world know.

I'm wondering... has anyone had their payroll messed with? I called HR about 3 hours ago and they are showing that I was terminated on the 11th. They never showed where I was hired back on administrative leave. They also debited my account for a portion of my paycheck from the 15th. I was told last Tuesday that within 48 hours it would be credited..It hasn't yet

hey everyone
go to www.finra.org and check your broker status.

u guys need to check this out .

registeredrep.com/advisorland/career/u5_form/

mad as hell in anywhere, Georgia said: I'm wondering... has anyone had their payroll messed with? I called HR about 3 hours ago and they are showing that I was terminated on the 11th. They never showed where I was hired back on administrative leave. They also debited my account for a portion of my paycheck from the 15th. I was told last Tuesday that within 48 hours it would be credited..It hasn't yet

I checked on mine and it is correct..
Unbelievable about yours.. I think they are overwhelmed at HR and could have never expected this either.

Does anyone know who gave the directive to fire us.. I really need to know this.
It was not our RBD's. Was it up to our State Presidents, was it from a "higher authority" If you guys know please let me know.