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Average in Everett, Massachusetts

61 months ago

The problem is a lot of those entry level jobs have vanished* while the quality of education has not improved or has kept up with market demands.
There's Youtube video where a veteran in the field said someone would need extraordinary talent to break in. In other words, you'd have to be a genius to stand out. You have to be able to learn new programs in two days and you just have to do the work that three people were doing ten years ago. Some of the certifications are expensive,

The information I gave you is why I'm hesistant to go back to school for anything in IT outside of hardware repair.

That said, you're much more ahead that I am. I envy anyone who knows java right now. You should have some work that you did as a student that you can put up on a website. You do have a website, don't you?

*outsourced.

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will629 in Rochester, New York

52 months ago

Add me to the list of degree/no experience. I earned my Associates in Computer Information Systems in 2003, haven't used it yet. Plus, there's large gaps in my employment history which doesn't help any & my real world experience is on the lesser side consisting mostly of short term warehouse type work, I'm 29 now. Recently I joined a local job networking organization and I'm enhancing my typing skills using an online tutorial...had to force some changes to happen. Hopefully the end result will be employment.

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tp30 in Converse, Louisiana

43 months ago

I can relate to this all. I have a Associate degree in Information system a Bachelor degree in Industrial technology finish in 2005. I ran into the same problems.......no certifications. So i got frustrated and start teaching for 3 years. Now i am back in school for a Masters in Computer science. I hate programming!!!! So with this being said i was looking into IT program at Antonelli colloge that does hands on guarantee certifications and internship. Guarantee job when you complete the class. It's a A.S degree but it will give me what everyone is looking for plus a job i am 30 yrs. old now. This may actually work for me.

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Robert R in Hilliard, Ohio

39 months ago

When I originally subscribed to this post I was in the same boat, I was working at Time Warner Cable Tier 3 and was utilizing my skill very little, some but not much. I think the best thing to do is get with a staffing firm, head hunter, type of place that will give you an assessment that you take at their office or online, certifications will take you along way but honestly, the most important things are not your technical skills, it's your soft skills, how you convey yourself, conduct yourself, believe in yourself. I have finally landed the job that I have been seeking since I started IT and I couldn't be happier. Perseverance is the key to success. When you want to succeed as bad as you want to breath, then you will find it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GcusXA069I

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Robert R in Hilliard, Ohio

39 months ago

This video changed my life right here. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z29W1IYNus

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Robert R in Hilliard, Ohio

39 months ago

I listened to this audio for weeks straight. Don't be a quitter. You got to fight for what you want in life. It ain't all sunshine and reainbows. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lDNlwk6Tc0

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Robert R in Hilliard, Ohio

39 months ago

Robert R in Hilliard, Ohio said: I listened to this audio for weeks straight. Don't be a quitter. You got to fight for what you want in life. It ain't all sunshine and reainbows. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lDNlwk6Tc0

*rainbows

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Bluetea in Texas

39 months ago

malexlantz in Luxemburg, Wisconsin said: How important is it to have certifications? Is it worth it to spend at least $200 on a exam that you are not guaranteed to pass, just to have something extra to put on your resume? When it comes down to it, what is the most important when employers are looking at applicants? It seems that the obvious, experience is the most important, but what is more important after that, graduate school, certifications, or neither?

Another problem with certs is that they have a shelf life of only 2 or 3 years and then they are out-of-date. Its up to you to keep up and that gets expensive.

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Bluetea in Texas

39 months ago

avg in Everett, Massachusetts said: Networking seems to connote to me that good jobs are reserved for people who come from certain socioeconomic backgrounds. Knowing the right people means, too many times, knowing people in high places.

And that's true. When President Obama picked his cabinet, he didn't put an ad in the paper and give them all a typing test. Heh! He knew those people or knew of them.

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vluvy69 in El Paso, Texas

39 months ago

So did bush, so did clinton. It is only reasonable to get folks around you that you trust. Also in Obamas case he did something unpresidented, like lincoln and that was to get a cabinet of rivals. He ran agains hilary, and Joe biden.

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Bluetea in Texas

39 months ago

vluvy69 in El Paso, Texas said: So did bush, so did clinton. It is only reasonable to get folks around you that you trust. Also in Obamas case he did something unpresidented, like lincoln and that was to get a cabinet of rivals. He ran agains hilary, and Joe biden.

Politics is all about connections but companies do the same thing. I have been hired because I knew someone that knew someone.

By the way, Bush never got a single job without the help of his father. Not one. Read a book called "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker.

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CAT Droid in East Peoria, Illinois

39 months ago

Same with pro & college sports coaching, Hollywood, and in the upper ranks of management. Problem is these days a lot of large companies are becoming closed shops. You need to know someone to even get your foot in the door, to even get a job scrubbing toilets. The jobs are open but you need to have someone on the inside get you in otherwise the HR fools will file your application in the trash.

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vluvy69 in El Paso, Texas

39 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly, People are always asking for Obamas grade, I will bet they passed Bush through yale, like he was a star athlete. In regards to IT, this is a who you know world. You obviously qualify for the job if you are at the interview. The only thing those cats are checking out now is if they can work with you, if you fit their office type people, if you are not a person who will go against the grain. if you can kiss ass, to be blunt. They get intimidated when you think for themselves and do not fit their nerdy schemes. Lets be real.

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Bluetea in Texas

39 months ago

CAT Droid in East Peoria, Illinois said: Same with pro & college sports coaching, Hollywood, and in the upper ranks of management. Problem is these days a lot of large companies are becoming closed shops. You need to know someone to even get your foot in the door, to even get a job scrubbing toilets. The jobs are open but you need to have someone on the inside get you in otherwise the HR fools will file your application in the trash.

I try to avoid the "large companies" because of this. You may be qualfied for the job but then so are 20 other people. Then, it boils down to who wore the blue eye shadow, the stinky perfume and that fat guy.

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vluvy69 in El Paso, Texas

39 months ago

of course that is true as well. As you dig deeper into the person sittign in front of you, you really get to know what they don't know about the task at hand. But on the flip side How many times have you hired a skirt because she look good and didn't know a damn thing. (don't answer that, you can plead the 5th)

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vluvy69 in El Paso, Texas

39 months ago

folks don't want to hear the dirty truth. They keep repeating the company policy for hiring like some of the other guys on this forum.

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Bluetea in Texas

39 months ago

vluvy69 in El Paso, Texas said: of course that is true as well. As you dig deeper into the person sittign in front of you, you really get to know what they don't know about the task at hand. But on the flip side How many times have you hired a skirt because she look good and didn't know a damn thing. (don't answer that, you can plead the 5th)

I am over 40. Serving chicken wings at Hooters is not in my future. I am ah, er, hmmm, "Overqualified".

It appears that I am overqualified for many things.

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Disgruntled in Alliance, Ohio

38 months ago

I am a Spring 2010 graduate of the ITT Tech in NE Ohio. I busted my butt and did what few have done or do, walked out with my . A.A.S in IT - CNS after 2 yrs with a 4.0 GPA. I have the same issues as the rest do here and no idea what to do or where to go for the next step. It's a constant "come back or reapply when you get some experience" yet, no one is willing to train anymore. A measly 5 yrs or so ago, my degree and GPA would have easily gotten me a HD tier1 job with a company willing to train you which is FAR from the truth in today's economy. I have worked in warehouses and factories all my life and chose IT as a new path because I have always had my nose in a computer since back in the days of 4 color VGA and 5 1/4" floppy drives LOL.

I am now an unemployed, 35 yr old IT grad with no job and like most, hardly ever even an interview. I also have a lack of experience and it is the biggest "stopper" I face. I can't even get an $8 / hr job in the back of a PC repair store working on a workbench and it is beyond frustrating. Even I know that tier1 HD is where everyone starts and even if I COULD land a workbench job, it won't help me much unless going for another workbench job :( Today's market is FULL of highly experienced, highly trained and well certified IT pro's thanks to the economy taking a dive a cpl yrs ago. Finding ANY "entry level" IT job has been pretty much impossible for me personally.

Also, being "new" to the professional field, I am LOST on what the right steps are (LinkedIn?) for getting in the right circles. College taught me to think on my feet and IT seems a good fit since I have an analytic mind set, but otherwise it all seems WAY over my head. At the rate things are going, I'll be back in a factory or warehouse before I EVER get into the IT field :( I know I need cets, but with my almost non existent income, I can in no way afford them :(

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malexlantz in Denmark, Wisconsin

38 months ago

I feel you on that one. I am 39 years old and also unemployed, I get interviews all the time, but nothing ever happens from them. For one, I think it matters what area you live in and how many IT jobs are available in that area. I must be getting interviews because I am applying for jobs out of town that I would be willing to move to. As far as getting hired for a position, I don't know what to do about that because I do not know why they didn't hire me. The way I look at it, there is always someone that is applying for the same job that is more qualified than I am.

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Disgruntled in Alliance, Ohio

38 months ago

ITT has helped a LOT with job leads, at least mine has. I keep in contact with career services there often. They give me tips where to look and submit my resume for me on jobs I never hear of. I know my degree is looked upon more as a solid "understanding" and not as real experience, but the more I look around on forums like this and in job ads, the more aggravated I get. I'm seeing Tier1 HD jobs with a B.S. requirement and 3-5 yrs experience nowadays. Starting to see that IT has NO entry level jobs anymore. Just no idea what to do next, except maybe go to yet another $8 / hr dead end job. I'm not looking to get rich overnite, or walk into a $50K / yr job ... just want a fair chance to get "started" ... I have no problems starting at the bottom, paying my dues and working my way up.

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Average in Everett, Massachusetts

38 months ago

Disgruntled in Alliance, Ohio said: ITT has helped a LOT with job leads, at least mine has. I keep in contact with career services there often. They give me tips where to look and submit my resume for me on jobs I never hear of.
It doesn't seem like those leads led to anything serious.

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Nick L in Medford, Massachusetts

38 months ago

hoapres in San Francisco, California said: Page 13 of the ITT disclosures says a placement rate of 76.80% and page 14 says a median student loan debt of approximately $30,000.

Thats 'puffery' at best. Many employers don't take "degrees" from places like ITT seriously.

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Morpheus in Coram, New York

38 months ago

You can get these college courses on itunesu even without going to the college, if you have the skills. Needed in the job market, I don't think there would be any barrier you to get a job or start your on business. You can try department of labor , they can help you out with the job search, sometimes it doesn't matter where you get the degree from, nowadays you need a reference in addition to your education and skills.

I would say keep trying , when there is a will , there's a way

Try professormessor, you can search for more training videos on the Internet.

Good luck!!!!

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CAT Droid in East Peoria, Illinois

38 months ago

Morpheus in Coram, New York said: You can get these college courses on itunesu even without going to the college, if you have the skills. Needed in the job market, I don't think there would be any barrier you to get a job or start your on business. You can try department of labor , they can help you out with the job search, sometimes it doesn't matter where you get the degree from, nowadays you need a reference in addition to your education and skills.

I would say keep trying , when there is a will , there's a way

Try professormessor, you can search for more training videos on the Internet.

Good luck!!!!

No not this day and age. If this were 1990 I'd say no problem with no matter where you got your training. Many people were ojt'd into the IT field. However in this day and age you'd better have something better than an ITT or Devry or Kaplan U. degree behind you. If you don't have that you need to have the ability to sell icemakers to Eskimos. The IT field has matured and you need way more background than an over-priced private tech school can give you. I know people with comp sci bachelor's degrees from good brick and mortar universities working in jobs like hotel housekeeping.

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Joanne in Crawley, United Kingdom

38 months ago

The company i work for is a specialised recruiting agency, and something that we always stress to our clients is that it is not about the experience but more about the fit. Does your personality match with the companies ethos and vision if so then you will find more often than not that companies are happy to train you up.

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Disgruntled in Alliance, Ohio

38 months ago

Thank you all for the advice and input. My big question is .. Where do I go from here? Should I take my degree and study for maybe the A+ and Network+ and see where it leads ? (my degree is in computer networking btw, NOT software design, engineering or programming) I have started looking for "a job" to try and bring in some income, pay bills and start chewing away @ the 30K + interest I owe ... and the money would help pay for cert fees' and study materials.

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Disgruntled in Alliance, Ohio

38 months ago

I know up until 2011, CompTIA certs USED TO BE lifetime, which is no loger the case. They are now 3 yr. certs and then re-certify. However, I do still need the very hard to get "experience" and a lot of companies hiring system/network admins these days also want the said admin to help out with help desk, usually in the form of answering questions the HD staff can't answer. In my area (Youngstown and Cleveland markets) a tier1 HD usually makes around $15 / hr via a contract employment and would give me a starting point and would allow me to work my way up and get the experience I so desperately need correct? Also, no company around here will hire a network engineer even WITH a Cisco cert without some type of experience as well (which we all agree I will need). I know Cisco certs, even the basic ones are neither cheap, nor easy in any way, so I figured I would start with the cheaper A+ and see if it gets me some experience. If not and I can't get in the door somewhere, then I'm not out a ton of money and time. Would you say that's a logical path or just go for the CCNA ??

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Sold out in America in St. Johns, Michigan

38 months ago

How pathetic the world has become, when you try to do everything right or required,, and it still isn't enough! Employers fantasize their ideal employee, as someone with vast experience, who will start right away, with little to no training....and work for peanuts. And why?!?,, If somebody has five, eight, ten yrs or more experience, should they jump ship, only to get a big pay cut, and lose their senority in the work place?!? Because, this is how it really is, for anyone looking for a new job! It's one thing, to be 20 something, and start over again,, and it's another thing entirely, to be 40, 50 something, and be expected to sacrifice pay and senority. On another note, stop drinking what the mass media is feeding you, about your choices for careers that are supposedly the hot ticket right now! America is in decline across the board, because all companies care about, is cheap labor abroad.

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abeedle in Salem, Virginia

38 months ago

yet another thread that makes freelancing look better and better. I'd much rather continue dealing with the hassles of bookkeeping, etc etc and do what I enjoy on my own terms (but admittedly for less money) than deal with employers and their BS. Clients are great -- bosses, not so much.

Now we just gotta make it possible for small business folks and 'lone guns' to get basic things like insurance. I don't want or need anything for free - I just want to be able to pay the same amount for coverage that someone in a big company pays.

I've been freelancing off and on since 1998 -- at one point a buddy of mine and I built an engine just to find and organize all of the job opportunities we were finding. As outsourcing has grown, the chances to find solid work on your own have really gone up.

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CAT Droid in East Peoria, Illinois

38 months ago

guest in San Jose, California said: Freelancing does not pay very well as the rates keep dropping and you are always in the SELL, SELL, SELL mode.

That's true however in this business environment it's better to freelance and have something rather than starve when your supposedly secure full time job is shipped offshore.

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raman kumar in Jalandhar, India

38 months ago

i didn't clear my b.tech in computer science i failed in one subject only, but i cleared all the certification exams of java programming, should i get the job only the bases of my certification?

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Chris in Overland Park, Kansas

37 months ago

Current certs:

A+
Net+
Secure+
MCTS
CCNA
CCNP - in progress

4 year degree

Was working for a telecommunication company for the past 2 years but got the layoff notice. What I was doing for this company really didn't have much to do with IT, but it's where I'd like to go now. I can't even get an interview for a help desk job. I have no idea what I'm going to do. I'm so sick and tired of hearing "you don't have enough experience." I don't want to end up in another IT unrelated job. Why post that you want certifications if you're not willing to look at the people that take the time to go out and get them? The tests are expensive and some of the classes cost about as much as an entire semester at a good junior college.

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Victor in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

37 months ago

I finish school.
I got A+ , N+, S+, MCITP, CCNA and other self study stuff.
I can not get a job..Even in a call center.

I posted in my resume that I have "CCNP in progress"
Somebody call me up.. They ask me how advance I am in my CCNP..I said I was studying routing.
He told me got 60 applications for a simple position6

Should I go for an extra mile for CCNP.. and If I do that would make a difference?
If anybody got experience in this topic please reply..

Thanks.. Victor at alty69@hotmail.com

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Go Getter in Beardstown, Illinois

37 months ago

Victor in Fort Lauderdale, Florida said: I finish school.
I got A+ , N+, S+, MCITP, CCNA and other self study stuff.
I can not get a job..Even in a call center.

I posted in my resume that I have "CCNP in progress"
Somebody call me up.. They ask me how advance I am in my CCNP..I said I was studying routing.
He told me got 60 applications for a simple position6

Should I go for an extra mile for CCNP.. and If I do that would make a difference?
If anybody got experience in this topic please reply..

Thanks.. Victor at alty69@hotmail.com

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Yes of course it would make a difference. There's just one catch. You gotta move to India first.
Otherwise you're better off buying lottery tickets with the money you'd spend going for another cert. in this country. You were just told that an employer had 60 people apply for a lower level position. What does that tell you? Stay away from IT.

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jenab in Austin, Texas

37 months ago

Nick L in Medford, Massachusetts said: Thats 'puffery' at best. Many employers don't take "degrees" from places like ITT seriously.

I used to think that too, Nick, but locally for anything hardware or 1st and even 2nd tier tech support those ITT people were better positioned for the local tech support industry (at least that was true 10 years ago when I was in tech support, and no I am not an ITT person).

But now there are a lot of paper professionals; those with degrees and certs with no practical experience to back them up, so hiring managers are loathe to hire many of them if they don't have the experience to match.

If you're trying to get experience to back up your IT training, consider volunteering your services to local organizations. It's not an instant solution, but you can help out a good cause and gain the experience (and recommendations) that can help you land the paying jobs. Not to mention the contacts you can make doing it.

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Grim Reaper in El Paso, Texas

37 months ago

Victor in Fort Lauderdale, Florida said: I finish school.
I got A+ , N+, S+, MCITP, CCNA and other self study stuff.
I can not get a job..Even in a call center.

I posted in my resume that I have "CCNP in progress"
Somebody call me up.. They ask me how advance I am in my CCNP..I said I was studying routing.
He told me got 60 applications for a simple position6

Should I go for an extra mile for CCNP.. and If I do that would make a difference?
If anybody got experience in this topic please reply..

Thanks.. Victor at alty69@hotmail.com

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Look at what you have already. When is there going to be some sort of satisfaction with what you have. unless this is a position you have been gunning for all of your life do it. other than that, I say leave it alone, it is just more school more time and to get every nic pic cert will be endless. and oh by the way unless they are going to hire you now while you are in school getting that advanced training the position will not be around when you finish. You will have to apply for others and who is to say that someone else will not require you to go to school and get an advanced cert.You might be stepping in a traffic circle with no end. I know everyone is thinking if I just own all of the certs no one can deny me the job. If you got the time, the brains, and the money do it. Other than that you have to say No mas! Take it or leave it.

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venuj6@gmail.com in Hyderabad, India

36 months ago

hello friends.....i m 22 yr old. i have 4 yr degree from university in 2010. i tried to go out off... but by some reasons i stopped. i m depression from 6 months. i m learning sql now.can i get the job in it. i completed b tech in electronics and communications...please show mw a way how can i get the job...........please .............

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phayes in Mount Vernon, Ohio

36 months ago

I went to school for 4 years got my bachelors degree and I have been turned down so many times because i dont have the experience they need for the job. I dont understand why people even go to college it is like the degree was a waste of time and not worth it. but anymore a high school diploma aint enough to get a job.

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Victor Melo in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

36 months ago

I got a call from somebody.. after they saw I have certs for A+,N+,MCITP, CCNA ,S+,etc
They ask me if I how advanced I am persuing CCNP.
Conclusion..Now I am studying CCNP..Trying to be more competitive..

It's a hope...I dont let depression hit me no more..But I know I need to pursue it...And keep pushing myself with sacrifice..God willl take care of everything..
:)

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Victor Melo in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

36 months ago

NOp.. If I get this far , it means that I am not a quiter..
It means that I need to improve myself and go for the extra mile..

I just dont let anybody tell me I can not do it...Just need to push myself harder..

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Victor Melo in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

36 months ago

Because you couldnt make it, it doent mean I couldnt make it.. I just need to push harder and keep the faith..God is with me..

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Go Getter in Beardstown, Illinois

36 months ago

Victor Melo in Fort Lauderdale, Florida said: Because you couldnt make it, it doent mean I couldnt make it.. I just need to push harder and keep the faith..God is with me..

Yes because gosh if someone doesn't make it that simply means they didn't want it bad enough or push themselves hard enough. /facepalm *rolls eyes*

IT had it's day where nearly anyone off the street could get a job and be trained as they worked and make a decent living. If you got in at the right time; ie: way before Y2K you could almost name your price and have your pick of jobs. Not now. Those days are over in IT.

Even if one gets their CCNP how many other will have that or more? Even if you have all the necessary certs that some HR droid says you need how are you going to undercut somebody from India who's willing to work for little or nothing compared to you?

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TomCat in Johannesburg, South Africa

33 months ago

guest in San Francisco, California said: We have enough UNEMPLOYED Americans and DO NOT need your services.

Stay in South Africa.

I have more qualitfications than you can hope for, btw you sound like a hillbilly with no brains between the ears, no wonder your advice is FREE!!

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Bluetea in Texas

33 months ago

TomCat in Johannesburg, South Africa said: I have more qualitfications than you can hope for, btw you sound like a hillbilly with no brains between the ears, no wonder your advice is FREE!!

My dad was right. "Free advice is often worth what you paid for it". Heh!

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Investor Guy in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

33 months ago

I'm really surprised to see so many IT degreed individuals with no jobs. I think an internship or Helpdesk job is the foot in the door you need. IT degrees are still much better than many other more art focused degrees but the degree alone isn't enough. You have to have people skills and some experience which is not impossible to get via the two ways I just mentioned.

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Nick L in Medford, Massachusetts

33 months ago

Investor guys comment comes across as condescending and patronizing. Of course many finance people are very arrogant and full of themselves.

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Bluetea in Texas

33 months ago

Investor Guy in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: I'm really surprised to see so many IT degreed individuals with no jobs. I think an internship or Helpdesk job is the foot in the door you need. IT degrees are still much better than many other more art focused degrees but the degree alone isn't enough. You have to have people skills and some experience which is not impossible to get via the two ways I just mentioned.

It is the most off-shored, outsourced fields you can get into. The best thing you can do for IT is to stay away from it.

Yeah, its better than a BA in Psychology but not by much. Let the H1Bs have it and go into plumbing. Its tough to off-shore a stopped up toilet.

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Investor Guy in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

33 months ago

I have a degree in English and worked HelpDesk jobs for 6 years. I work with financial software hence the screenname but I think I do know what I am talking about. I found that the English degree was near worthless and had to teach myself IT skills to have any shot at employment.

I am trying to offer constructive advice if it is misguided or not wanted it can be ignored but to doubt my credentials or intent is incorrect.

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Investor Guy in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

33 months ago

guest in SF. I did not know that. It's true it's been a while since I worked Helpdesk. I stand corrected. That said I still think an IT degree is better than most, though this day and age perhaps no longer the best.

The OP could still consider an internship or take some additional coursework to accentuate their IT Degree to make it more career specific like HR info system or healthcare info system classes.

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Bluetea in Texas

33 months ago

guest in San Francisco, California said: And remain unemployed.

The latest racket is "internships". The company gets you for FREE and simply replaces you with another intern.

Yeah, and now everybody has an "internship". Well, now that slavery is prohibited, guess this works just as well.

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