Things interviewers say that let's you know you won't get an offer

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sighing in southern, New Jersey

29 months ago

SHORT interviews-there is no substance, the interviewers have nothing much to say. I know some interviews may be brief, but if they only ask a few questions, it is not a good sign. I think an interview should be a half hour at the very least, but it can depend on the job. Anything under that seems bad to me (unless they specify it is a screening).

When they just seem disinterested/like they are just going through the motions.

When they ask questions that have nothing to do with the job and/or ask very few relevant questions.

When they do not tell you much about the job, the starting date, etc.

When they indicate they do not know something they should have, meaning they never read your resume-I had an interview last year where I drove an hour and as soon as I sat down, they said I lived too far. My town is usually well-known; it was obvious they had not noted where I lived.

When they ask questions, you answer, and they do not seem to like your answers.

When they do not write anything down/have no notes, your resume there.

When they are really late-keep you waiting for the interview for a while.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

29 months ago

Every interviewee knows when an interview goes great, ok, or bad. You just know.

Inside of one's self you know whether or not you connected well with the interviewer.

More than anything it's the interviewer's body language, facial expressions, and other non word actions that will tell you how the interview is going.

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Bluetea in Texas

29 months ago

Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York said: Don't encourage her.

Unemployed people have no sense of humor. Heh!

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Bluetea in Texas

29 months ago

Don'tbelieveit in Phoenix, Arizona said: I've actually been hired, had a start date and wound up getting the big phone call and being told they don't need me.
Not the job I am going to soon, but that could happen. I have a lot of fear about this job, that no matter what I do, it won't be right. You know if there was an opening, someone was there before. And they weren't a "good fit".

Just make sure that you are applying for a job that was previously done by three other people before the last downsize.

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Bluetea in Texas

29 months ago

Don'tbelieveit in Phoenix, Arizona said: How could you ever know?
Employers aren't going to tell you that.

They aren't going to tell you that they had 3 people leave and you're filling all of their shoes. All they will do is make you feel incompetent.

I usuallly ask:

1. How much training can I expect?
2. Why did this job come about?
3. Describe a typical day for me.

If they sit back in their chair and sigh, I think this might not be for me?

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Unemployed Paralegal in Denver, Colorado

29 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: I usually ask:

1. How much training can I expect?
2. Why did this job come about?
3. Describe a typical day for me.

Excellent questions to ask interviewers.

You can also ask about the next step in the process, how many candidates they're interviewing, and their profile of the ideal candidate for the position. If you have the guts (I wouldn't), followup by asking how you comport with that profile.

Also ask if you can followup after the interview. That way they can't b!tch if you call to followup several days later. I wouldn't abuse the privilege, however.

Bluetea in Texas said: If they sit back in their chair and sigh, I think this might not be for me?
Read my post, above, if you haven't already.

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designer bee in Waukesha, Wisconsin

29 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: How many retirement parties have you been to lately?

hahaha, that's so true. Speaking of retirement parties, I recently ran into an old coworker from my factory days, which was almost 11 years ago. I worked there for 10 years and got laid off when things got slow. I got nothing but a boot out the door. She worked there 13 years, retired, and got the catered lunch and $2000 for her years of work. Nice, huh?

From the sounds of it, I don't think I would have wanted to stay there. This old coworker didn't have a lot of nice things to say about what went down after a bunch of us got laid off.

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Frustrated graduate in Los Angeles, California

25 months ago

Key signs:

"We're in the process of interviewing others, we'll get back to you." Means: You suck and do not fit what we're looking for.

"I actually have another meeting starting shortly, I'll have HR follow up to share next steps." Means: you talk too damn much and I need a way to get out of this convo.

Weeks without a response even after following up. Means: I'm too busy to respond, hope she/he gets the point.

"The hiring manager is currently on travel for the next week, but I'll get you a response as soon as he returns" Means: We're still interviewing candidates but don't want to let you go until we lock in a candidate...we're trying to see if we can find someone better.

"We'll keep your resume on file." Means: you didn't get the job and never will. We're just being polite. :-)

Good luck job seekers!!!!

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xixi in Berkeley, California

25 months ago

Thanks for the advice.

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KIK in Chicago, Illinois

25 months ago

jenab in Austin, Texas said: So true; and time lost determining the requirements, and lost when someone else has to cover that position or employ workarounds because that position remains unfilled. It's an expensive process (not that every organization is equally aware of).

I recently went on an interview for a job that was first described as a "technician", then when they saw my resume, they upgraded it to an "engineer" - then I interviewed, I was told they really liked me - only to be called back later and told they wanted a Director and would not be wanting me! All this from a small shop that could have been well served by my 20 years of experience. I'm crushed. If I can't even get a small mfg to be interested, I'm doomed. BTW, it was good hour and a half interview with lots of shop talk that went quite well.

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KIK in Chicago, Illinois

25 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: Most managers have never gotten past the first chapter on team building.

The last place that I worked didn't even use that term - they thought it was too 80's.

Yeah but they pay it a lot of lip service until you describe the teams you have been on. Then they get skittish and don't want you.

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Still hopeful in Santa Clara, California

24 months ago

When the interviewer is not prepared. Don't even have your resume with him during the interview. Asked if you brought a copy and then left your resume after the interview!
It's kinda annoying but then again he is the hiring manager!

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

KIK in Chicago, Illinois said: Yeah but they pay it a lot of lip service until you describe the teams you have been on. Then they get skittish and don't want you.

They get nervous when you ask them how many names are at the top of your Performance Review as well.

"Just mine? Then where does the team come in?"

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blown away in Sunapee, New Hampshire

24 months ago

Today, during an interview I was particularly looking forward to, I was asked the rudest question. Im a veteran and a recent graduate of a fairly prestigious school. The vacancy for the sales position i was applying to had no educational requirements noted. I have a Bachelors. Since my area of study is more towards the "law enforcement" side of things, the senior individual present asked if I was planning on applying to the local police department. Really? I thought I was interviewing for a job in sales!!! At this point, the tone of the interview was devastated, and I should've just walked out. It was quite clear and obvious that none of the four representatives present had read my resume or my letter of intent; correspondence that I put a lot of time in with the other senior exec (my point of contact, not present at the interview). So the individual I felt that I was developing a rapport with scheduled my interview with people who didn't bother to know anything about me prior to shaking hands. HOWEVER, I knew each of their names and their roles prior to the interview, thinking it paid to do my homework on the company.
One individual asked where I lived and how long my commute was to the location. If she had looked at the header of my resume, directly in front of her, she would notice that I live in the town next to hers.
At the end, I asked for cards; one of four company representatives actually produced one for me. From there, I was basically shooed out the door.
If this had been a job I was neither here nor there about, I really could've cared less. However, it was a great opportunity to join a (seemingly) successful firm that engineers and builds some really breath taking structures. SUPER bummed out; ultimately insulted. Back to the ****ing drawing board.

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Me in Plover, Wisconsin

24 months ago

I just had an interview yesterday where the interviewer talked down to me, lied to me about the position (a friend of mine interviewed an hour or so before and gave me details, it was two completely different interviews) and said they had no time to train anyone, basically told me that he was a really smart guy and I was a dumdass (sorry, no other way to put it), negative body language, had his laptop computer screen up the whole 15 minutes, no notes taken, kicked back in his chair, wouldn't make eye contact, he kept giving me the big sigh, talked about the level of service/respect/knowledge they deserve (yet wouldn't extend those feelings in an interview) and then proceeds to tell me that "you know, I am just not feeling it with you." WOW! What I find funny is that they are going to lose a very large sale for some equipment by a family member of mine because of the treatment I got. The jokes on them now! I had the interviewer from hell!

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Markmywordz in Oakville, Ontario

24 months ago

You can describe your employer by logging onto 'Rate my Employer'

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NorthOfTheD in Troy, Michigan

24 months ago

Me in Plover, Wisconsin said: I just had an interview yesterday where the interviewer talked down to me, lied to me about the position (a friend of mine interviewed an hour or so before and gave me details, it was two completely different interviews) and said they had no time to train anyone, basically told me that he was a really smart guy and I was a dumdass (sorry, no other way to put it), negative body language, had his laptop computer screen up the whole 15 minutes, no notes taken, kicked back in his chair, wouldn't make eye contact, he kept giving me the big sigh, talked about the level of service/respect/knowledge they deserve (yet wouldn't extend those feelings in an interview) and then proceeds to tell me that "you know, I am just not feeling it with you." WOW! What I find funny is that they are going to lose a very large sale for some equipment by a family member of mine because of the treatment I got. The jokes on them now! I had the interviewer from hell!

This is one of the main reasons I'm surprised that so many companies dare to risk having a rude or unprofessional HR/recruiting staff. All it takes is treating one individual like garbage - a son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandson, granddaughter, mother, father, best friend, neighbor, former colleague, etc of someone important, such as a large purchaser - and that company can lose thousands (perhaps even millions) of dollars just like that.

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Me in Plover, Wisconsin

24 months ago

NorthOfTheD in Troy, Michigan said: This is one of the main reasons I'm surprised that so many companies dare to risk having a rude or unprofessional HR/recruiting staff. All it takes is treating one individual like garbage - a son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandson, granddaughter, mother, father, best friend, neighbor, former colleague, etc of someone important, such as a large purchaser - and that company can lose thousands (perhaps even millions) of dollars just like that.

The one thing I forgot to add was that they called me to set up an interview. Long back story, but they got my name from an employee. That is another thing that floors me. All in all, a waste of time and is now turning into a good laugh, as much as it still upsets me.

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

beginagainla in Los Angeles, California said: 1. If they don't ask for your references, you didn't get the job.
2. If they're reading from a list of prepared questions and rush through them, skipping a few, you didn't get the job.
3. If they don't bother to take any notes or stop taking notes, you didn't get the job.

If they do this, you either dress funny or they have an internal candidate.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

24 months ago

Unemployed Paralegal in Denver, Colorado said: They don't care. They have jobs. People want jobs. They have more candidates than jobs. They don't have to be nice.

All that would happen if HR treats someone important poorly is the HR person would be fired, if that. That person will be replaced. Some big cheese will smooth things over with the offended person or client.

I agree. In a big city like New York HR people are a dime a dozen. HR is such a hated occupation a lot of people on a certain professional level, that is in some circles, are kind of embarrassed to say they work in HR or their spouse does. HR attracts people with no real soft or hard skills. People with useless degrees like English, Philosophy, and some others like Sociology often go into HR. HR are basically bureaucratic paper pushing robots who are paid to always side with the corporation. They lack objectivity and a sense of personal responsibility, as well as basic character. Their knowledge consists of organizational psychology, some labor and benefit laws and maybe a miniscule level of corporate law? Please...

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Unemployed Paralegal in Denver, Colorado

24 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: HR are basically bureaucratic paper pushing robots who are paid to always side with the corporation. They lack objectivity and a sense of personal responsibility, as well as basic character. Their knowledge consists of organizational psychology, some labor and benefit laws and maybe a miniscule level of corporate law?
Back in the day HR was astute. It could spot potential. It could carve out a place in a company for a candidate who did not meet every requirement but could grow into a job.

Now, these days, hiring managers submit requirements, oftentimes without considering the requiremetns' relation to actually doing to the job. HR receives resumes, runs the keyword and weighted searches, and submits the ones that match to hiring managers. No need for insight, perception or astuteness. My (very smart) 17-year-old nephew could do HR's job.

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Dee in Baltimore, Maryland

24 months ago

Dee in Baltimore, Maryland said: I have most of my work experience in retail and most of the interviews that I go to usually are terrible through no fault of my own. I feel that a lot of service jobs don't expect people to be intelligent. I have a few college credits under my belt. No, college doesn't make one intelligent but the critical thinking based courses that I've taken do help me look at things differently than others.

The manager will usually ask me a question and I guess they become shocked once they figure out that I may know as much as them when it comes to retail.

I'm not being conceited or anything but these employers would probably prefer somebody who doesn't have any ambitions and would rather work minimum wage jobs forever.

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ga in Las Vegas, Nevada

24 months ago

Alchemist in St. Louis, Missouri said: I'm a hiring manager for the first time for a coordinator position (and also someone who has just been through a long job search myself). This is a grade above an entry-level position in an office environment for a nonprofit professional association. I actually took the first cut at the resumes, referred 50 or so ranked applications to HR, who does phone screenings, grades them, and sends recommendations back to me to schedule for interviews.

Which is a long-winded way of saying that we try to schedule at least 3 applicants for first-round interviews, and 1-2 for second (final) round interviews. Even if someone hits it out of the park as the first interviewee, we proceed with the other interviews we have scheduled -- maybe the next person will hit a grandslam.

So, absent the other indicators you mention, saying that there are other candidates to interview doesn't mean you didn't get the position. I've been told that and have ultimately received a job offer.

Thanks for your post. Wondering what your thoughts on this one??? I just finished SIX interviews with one company. After my second, I was told I'd hear by the end of that week but was contacted the first of the very next week. Then, I was scheduled for four more interviews (with different people), back-to-back and was told I'd hear more by the end of THAT week....

Didn't happen.

Now, we are going on the third week.. Today, I received an email; "the process is taking longer than we thought.. so if you don't hear from us in 10 days, call us..."

Hmmm....

Two weeks of my time at their disposal and jumping through hoops--keep going?? What say you?

Yes!____ This is a dud________ Good chance I'll get an offer____

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

24 months ago

ga in Las Vegas, Nevada said: Wondering what your thoughts on this one??? I received an email; "the process is taking longer than we thought.. so if you don't hear from us in 10 days, call us..."

Hmmm....

Two weeks of my time at their disposal and jumping through hoops--keep going?? What say you?

Yes!____ This is a dud________ Good chance I'll get an offer____

Personally, I like the fact that they have the DECENCY to send that email. It shows that they care somewhat about the candidates.

U made it thru 6 interviews so I think u have a good chance.

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

ga in Las Vegas, Nevada said: Thanks for your post. Wondering what your thoughts on this one??? I just finished SIX interviews with one company. After my second, I was told I'd hear by the end of that week but was contacted the first of the very next week. Then, I was scheduled for four more interviews (with different people), back-to-back and was told I'd hear more by the end of THAT week....

Didn't happen.

Now, we are going on the third week.. Today, I received an email; "the process is taking longer than we thought.. so if you don't hear from us in 10 days, call us..."

Hmmm....

Two weeks of my time at their disposal and jumping through hoops--keep going?? What say you?

Yes!____ This is a dud________ Good chance I'll get an offer____

Six interviews and four more to go? LOL! Are you trying to get a job or become the next Miss. America?

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Molly in Jacksonville, Florida

24 months ago

I was interviewed a while back by about five people and they all were asking questions and one of them said that they didn't have any questions for me. If they are all there to interview you and one of them doesn't want to ask you questions then it's obvious that one of them, (at least) isn't in your corner.

Another thing that I have seen slipped in there is, "This is a pretty tough economy, isn't it?" It kind of caught me off gaurd and I said something like, "Yeah, it is." I regretted it the moment it came out of my mouth! I should have said something like, "Yes it is. That is why I feel that I am so fortunate to have an education and experience in this field." Something! I just end it with, "Yeah, it is." Not good!

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

24 months ago

Molly in Jacksonville, Florida said:

Another thing that I have seen slipped in there is, "This is a pretty tough economy, isn't it?" It kind of caught me off gaurd and I said something like, "Yeah, it is." I regretted it the moment it came out of my mouth! I should have said something like, "Yes it is. That is why I feel that I am so fortunate to have an education and experience in this field." Something! I just end it with, "Yeah, it is." Not good!

This is the problem with interviewing and trying to land a job nowadays. You have to be perfect. You can't make any mistakes.

You sound like a good and educated person. But in today's world of interviewing that's not good enough.

I've done the same thing after interviews. Saying to myself, I should of done this and said that. Hogwash!!!! Looking back I've done well in most of my interviews.

In today's world for most people, their best is not good enough. The bar is just too high too get a job. And these people doing the interviewing could never ever get a job themselves.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

24 months ago

yea! really. Some of these schmos interviewing are just losers. I mean company owners, and a few supervisors. I went home a few times and said, "Whaa.....the hell was THAT...?" Sloppy, needed haircut..shave..yellow teeth...improper language skills..lousy communication.clueless as to how to interview. one guy handed me a pencil written list of the legal holidays they allow employees to take. his chicken scratch...OMG. he couldn't ask one of his 3 employees to type it for him on a PC?

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Unemployed Paralegal in Denver, Colorado

24 months ago

Alchemist in St. Louis, Missouri said: So, absent the other indicators you mention, saying that there are other candidates to interview doesn't mean you didn't get the position. I've been told that and have ultimately received a job offer.
Good comment. I take the comment at its face value - they simply are interviewing other candidates. I may ask how many candidates they're interviewing and the next step.

I go more on their actions - which, of course, speak louder than words. E.g. I move on if I hear nothing further after a few days. I've had several jobs. I was either hired on the spot or offered the job within a few days max. Except for one or two jobs I never followed up. It never worked and was a wasted effort.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

24 months ago

Unemployed Paralegal in Denver, Colorado said: Good comment. I take the comment at its face value - they simply are interviewing other candidates. I may ask how many candidates they're interviewing and the next step.

I go more on their actions - which, of course, speak louder than words. E.g. I move on if I hear nothing further after a few days. I've had several jobs. I was either hired on the spot or offered the job within a few days max. Except for one or two jobs I never followed up. It never worked and was a wasted effort.

Same with me. I also moved on after about 3-4 days. I never followed up either. And never sent thank you letters. I thanked them upon exiting the place. Following up shows your desperation and anxiety. They make feel they can take advantage of you and you'd be an easy mark after hiring. If you have to follow up, then they're taking too long and you know they're not going to pick you. You don't follow up because you're too busy with other interviews and potential offers; at least that's what you want them to believe.

A lot of this job hunting advice was written by people who have never been unemployed or it's just plain antiquated. In the real world it makes no sense and can actually hurt your job hunt.I also ignore all that jazz about the absolutely necessity of having this amazing facebook, linked in and twitter profiles. Please...

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: A lot of this job hunting advice was written by people who have never been unemployed or it's just plain antiquated. In the real world it makes no sense and can actually hurt your job hunt.I also ignore all that jazz about the absolutely necessity of having this amazing facebook, linked in and twitter profiles. Please...

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I agree. A lot of that advice has just been recycled from your parent's job market. It doesn't quite as well today.

I do agree with networking being key to finding your next job but that is something you start in daycare not after you become unemployed. Stalking possible online leads, people you have never met in person, is just creepy to me. I don't care what the books say.

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: Same with me. I also moved on after about 3-4 days. I never followed up either. And never sent thank you letters. I thanked them upon exiting the place. Following up shows your desperation and anxiety. They make feel they can take advantage of you and you'd be an easy mark after hiring. If you have to follow up, then they're taking too long and you know they're not going to pick you. You don't follow up because you're too busy with other interviews and potential offers; at least that's what you want them to believe.

A lot of this job hunting advice was written by people who have never been unemployed or it's just plain antiquated. In the real world it makes no sense and can actually hurt your job hunt.I also ignore all that jazz about the absolutely necessity of having this amazing facebook, linked in and twitter profiles. Please...

You can walk into any library and buy a book with this kind of outdated advice for a buck now. Look in their discard pile - right next to the Windows 95 manuals.

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Unemployed Paralegal in Denver, Colorado

24 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: A lot of this job hunting advice was written by people who have never been unemployed or it's just plain antiquated. In the real world it makes no sense and can actually hurt your job hunt.I also ignore all that jazz about the absolutely necessity of having this amazing facebook, linked in and twitter profiles. Please...
I do believe in sending thank-you letters. That's it for followups. However.... one person elsewhere said to call two days after sending the thank-you letter and ask the interviewer if he/she received it. Is that not the height of insecurity?

Further, this person said to leave a voicemail if you don't reach the interviewer. You would say you enjoyed meeting him/her. You wanted to be sure he/she received the thank-you; you understand they are busy and hope you can make their work less stressful. I saw the part after saying you enjoyed meeting the interviewer and wanted to barf. If that wasn't enough, she said to keep calling the interviewer. Keep calling until you actually reach the interviewer. In so doing you will speak volumes about your persistence and dedication. Reading that part really made me want to barf.

Can you believe that nonsense, Tanya? Not only will repeated calling annoy the interviewer, it will annoy the receptionist. After a while the receptionist will complain to the interviewer and you'll really be up sh1t creek. That advice has to be some of the worst post-interview advice I've ever seen.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

24 months ago

I totally agree. A lot of the advice is useless. I like to have an open mind so I will listen to what all the employed know it all job hunt advisers say, but I always say "case by case" and use your independent judgment. It's your life and your needs. Nobody knows better than yourself what is going to work and what is not. But with some of this stuff....no.

Someone who knows I have been long term unemployed made fun of me when I mentioned I was renewing my real estate license. I told her I did this before for 2 years, and during the Recession so I have experience. And I caught the worst of the market.She said the market is still bad..bla bba.bla. In New York City apartments are always, ALWAYS in demand. You've got people coming here from other states who all have guarantors for the leases. But this fat, ugly beitch who can't even speak properly a she sounds like she's gurgling mouthwash, knows nothing about the market. She said, "You're going to get f*d." My response was "We'll see." I am tired of relying on gov't and state help. I am even more tired of the endless hoop jumping and circus tricks required for even the simplest clerical office jobs. So why shouldn't I renew my license and work on commission? Done it before. I will at least have a couple of thousand coming in each month. Should I continue to waste time and funds on interviewing? It cost me much more than then $250 for this license renewal. It will cost me much, much more if I am to continue the senseless cycle of interviewing, getting my hopes up, and then crashing. It's almost manic. up and down.

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: I totally agree. A lot of the advice is useless. I like to have an open mind so I will listen to what all the employed know it all job hunt advisers say, but I always say "case by case" and use your independent judgment. It's your life and your needs. Nobody knows better than yourself what is going to work and what is not. But with some of this stuff....no.

Someone who knows I have been long term unemployed made fun of me when I mentioned I was renewing my real estate license. I told her I did this before for 2 years, and during the Recession so I have experience. And I caught the worst of the market.She said the market is still bad..bla bba.bla. In New York City apartments are always, ALWAYS in demand. You've got people coming here from other states who all have guarantors for the leases. But this fat, ugly beitch who can't even speak properly a she sounds like she's gurgling mouthwash, knows nothing about the market. She said, "You're going to get f*d." My response was "We'll see." I am tired of relying on gov't and state help. I am even more tired of the endless hoop jumping and circus tricks required for even the simplest clerical office jobs. So why shouldn't I renew my license and work on commission? Done it before. I will at least have a couple of thousand coming in each month. Should I continue to waste time and funds on interviewing? It cost me much more than then $250 for this license renewal. It will cost me much, much more if I am to continue the senseless cycle of interviewing, getting my hopes up, and then crashing. It's almost manic. up and down.

This is the worst job market since The Great Depression and yet many people have not been directly affected by it. Listening to them is a waste of time.

As my father use to say, "Ain't no shortage of good advice but that doesn't pay the rent".

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

24 months ago

All the people employed say to get a retail or scheit cleaning job. "Go do anything." "Go waitress or babysit..." I told them; OK, do you know anybody who is hiring? "No." well then "shut up." This advice is applicable to a h.s. kid living with mom and dad who has no living expenses. Unless they personally know somebody who is hiring and can refer me, their advice is useless. Nobody asks me, well, what have you done, what's your background? They don't care. They just want to see me sweeping the sidewalk? I don't get it.Why should I? That will be less than the benefits I am getting and will look like crap on my clerical resume. I'll still have a job gap. It won't help. Yet, everybody here is telling me to forget real estate. None of them have experience in it. I know that a lot of people hate realtors but come on, it's NYC. I will make some money. I just want some quick cash, something in the meantime to pay the bills and not become homeless.

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: All the people employed say to get a retail or scheit cleaning job. "Go do anything." "Go waitress or babysit..." I told them; OK, do you know anybody who is hiring? "No." well then "shut up." This advice is applicable to a h.s. kid living with mom and dad who has no living expenses. Unless they personally know somebody who is hiring and can refer me, their advice is useless. Nobody asks me, well, what have you done, what's your background? They don't care. They just want to see me sweeping the sidewalk? I don't get it.Why should I? That will be less than the benefits I am getting and will look like crap on my clerical resume. I'll still have a job gap. It won't help. Yet, everybody here is telling me to forget real estate. None of them have experience in it. I know that a lot of people hate realtors but come on, it's NYC. I will make some money. I just want some quick cash, something in the meantime to pay the bills and not become homeless.

My sister is like this.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

24 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: Following up shows your desperation and anxiety.

A lot of this job hunting advice was written by people who have never been unemployed or it's just plain antiquated.

It's sooooo tiring playing this game but your right. You can't act desperate or toooooo enthusiastic.

Article in Sunday paper. The OneStop in my county talking about 2 people that they found jobs for. You would think the way they were talking these were great jobs.

OneStop pays the salary of the company's new hire for first 3 months while the person is training. They went on and on how great this is.............................BUT THESE WERE THROWAWAY JOBS.

Point is no one knows except the unemployed what is going on out there in the job market.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

24 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said:

Stalking possible online leads, people you have never met in person, is just creepy to me. I don't care what the books say.

Well, I'm pretty creepy and you talk to me daily.

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frustrated in Boston in Boston, Massachusetts

24 months ago

Hi everyone. I really enjoyed reading everyone's posts. It really helps to hear from people going through this difficult job search process.

Can anyone give me some advice right now? I am about to cry. Here's the story: My bf's job got transferred to Boston. I began applying to jobs prior to our move. I had two interviews on 2/18 one which offered the job and one which was ambiguous (let's call them job 1 and job 2 respectively). I waited as long as I could for the 2nd, as it was a better job but after not hearing for two weeks, I accepted the 1st job and was told I could begin training on 3/11. On 3/4, I finally heard back from job 2 that they wanted a second interview on 3/8, after which I was told I would hear from HR.

Now, I am a mental health therapist. It is unethical in my field to begin work with clients if you know you will have to terminate within a short time. So I was concerned about starting job 1. I decided to start training as I knew that the on-boarding stuff can take a few days, and I probably wouldn't start right away with clients, and hoped that I would hear in time from job 2. Then, on 3/12, I heard from job 2 that they wanted to 'move forward' with my application with the reference checking portion of the process. The HR rep was super excited for me and made it seem like after a quick check of my references I would receive an offer. I let job 1 know the situation and they were thankful that I informed them before I began meeting with clients. Then I completed the reference check form for job 2 by noon on 3/14.

I am still waiting to start job 2. I emailed the HR rep today for an update and she told me that I am not the only finalist (!), and that members of their hiring team are on vacation for 1-2 weeks, but that she'll let me know once there's a final decision!??!!* I've been completely living off my boyfriend. I have no money, thought I would be working by now, and I am going crazy.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

24 months ago

um, well..I WISH seriously, I wish I could live off a boyfriend for a little while.Would be nice.

Keep looking regardless of what people say at interviews. Job 2 is messing with you. So you had job 1 and gave that up? not good. Keep looking. don't hold you breath for job 1. you really have to take whatever you can get especially if it's in your field. you can keep interviewing for other jobs while you work there, if it's not ideal place.

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frustrated in Boston in Boston, Massachusetts

24 months ago

BTW, sorry for the long rant, just really have nobody to talk to about this and have been sitting at home waiting for this job to start for a full two weeks only to be told their decision is not final yet. I can't imagine how it is for others who have been unemployed for much longer. I am about to start looking for waitressing/bartending jobs, not that that will be any easier, but I don't know what else to do and I need money now. I've checked all the job sites, and the jobs in my field have seemingly dried up now. There's nothing I can even apply to anymore! Should I go back to job 1 and plead for my job back? What if job 2 decides to hire me then? Help!!!

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

frustrated in Boston in Boston, Massachusetts said: Hi everyone. I really enjoyed reading everyone's posts. It really helps to hear from people going through this difficult job search process.

Can anyone give me some advice right now? I am about to cry. Here's the story: My bf's job got transferred to Boston. I began applying to jobs prior to our move. I had two interviews on 2/18 one which offered the job and one which was ambiguous (let's call them job 1 and job 2 respectively). I waited as long as I could for the 2nd, as it was a better job but after not hearing for two weeks, I accepted the 1st job and was told I could begin training on 3/11. On 3/4, I finally heard back from job 2 that they wanted a second interview on 3/8, after which I was told I would hear from HR.

Now, I am a mental health therapist. It is unethical in my field to begin work with clients if you know you will have to terminate within a short time. So I was concerned about starting job 1. I decided to start training as I knew that the on-boarding stuff can take a few days, and I probably wouldn't start right away with clients, and hoped that I would hear in time from job 2.

I am still waiting to start job 2. I emailed the HR rep today for an update and she told me that I am not the only finalist (!), and that members of their hiring team are on vacation for 1-2 weeks, but that she'll let me know once there's a final decision!??!!* I've been completely living off my boyfriend. I have no money, thought I would be working by now, and I am going crazy.

1. A bird in the hand...
2. The vacation story is an old one.
3. The psychological contract which once traded job security for employee loyalty was breached long ago.

I got my last job but I wasn't their first choice. That person backed out when their "dream job" came through. I was Miss. Runner Up. LOL!

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Riot in Ware, Massachusetts

24 months ago

frustrated in Boston in Boston, Massachusetts said:
Can anyone give me some advice right now?

I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. The best advice, and what I'm sure will be repeated, is to just start applying to new positions immediately. You had two interviews before even moving to the area, so you'll probably even have more luck now that you're local.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

24 months ago

if you can waitress/bartend then do that.you'll at least have some money coming in while you look for the work in your field/or wait on these picky slow *a*s employers. these people are beyond slow..they're in a permanent hiring coma.

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frustrated in Boston in Boston, Massachusetts

24 months ago

Lol, it sounds nice but it feels like I'm a parasite. Job 2 is totally messing with me!! I swear the HR lady made it sound like I had gotten the position. I guess I should've stayed with job 1 until I had an offer in writing:( But I can't believe they would do this to me!

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

frustrated in Boston in Boston, Massachusetts said: Lol, it sounds nice but it feels like I'm a parasite. Job 2 is totally messing with me!! I swear the HR lady made it sound like I had gotten the position. I guess I should've stayed with job 1 until I had an offer in writing:( But I can't believe they would do this to me!

In this market you NEVER quit aj ob unless you have another. Not if you can help it and you NEVER stop applying, no matter what kind of fairy tale story comes out of HR.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

24 months ago

fairy tail story..that's so true.God, all these HR dogs and just companies in general right now are lying like rugs. They all have this incredible silver tongue. that's why i don't feel bad when candidates hide info from them or exaggerate stuff. or when job seekers in general are not entirely honest with these employers today. with all the comatoseness in hiring, the procedural drama, jumping through the hoops like a circus clown. and the money they pay you isn't even worth it. you just have to take these jobs and keep looking and then, well, move on. Dump their lousy a*s.

Mr. Trump always says, "It's just business...nothing personal." that's how the job seeker has to handle these employers. what loyalty? what are we family? boy scouts club? loyalty? are we firefighters fighting a blaze? I have to cover your a*s in a fire? Naaaah.not in this universe.

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Bluetea in Texas

24 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: fairy tail story..that's so true.God, all these HR dogs and just companies in general right now are lying like rugs. They all have this incredible silver tongue. that's why i don't feel bad when candidates hide info from them or exaggerate stuff. or when job seekers in general are not entirely honest with these employers today. with all the comatoseness in hiring, the procedural drama, jumping through the hoops like a circus clown. and the money they pay you isn't even worth it. you just have to take these jobs and keep looking and then, well, move on. Dump their lousy a*s.

Mr. Trump always says, "It's just business...nothing personal." that's how the job seeker has to handle these employers. what loyalty? what are we family? boy scouts club? loyalty? are we firefighters fighting a blaze? I have to cover your a*s in a fire? Naaaah.not in this universe.

Even if you had a good job, I can almost guarantee you that today, the nexrest competitor for it would be sitting about 20 feet from you.

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frustrated in Boston in Boston, Massachusetts

24 months ago

Does anyone think that I should try to contact the actual manager that I interviewed with? Maybe this HR lady doesn't know what she's doing, or there's a miscommunication somewhere. I sent a thank you letter after my interviews but haven't contacted her since.

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