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Elizabeth in Castries, Saint Lucia

80 months ago

Hello to all massage therapist.I did my training 5 yrs ago with National School of Technology in Miami Florida.I must say that was one of the best thing I ever did for my self. I relocate to the beautiful Saint Lucia, where I open my massage clinic, so far the money is flowing nicely and my clientele is growing pretty well.I help many people who were suffering with muscles pain, especially lower back pain. I have a reputation is good out there, my work speak for it self.I put my all to it and it pays.

Thanks to National School of Technology who makes a difference in my life.
My advise to massage therapist out there,don't give up on your dreams, it will be hard in the beginning weather you work on your own or with someone else, love what you do be the best that you can be and you will see the benefits at the end.

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altmed07@bellsouth.net in Boca Raton, Florida

70 months ago

I just came across this website & finished reading all the postings. Wow! I'm a newly licensed MT who is currently looking for emply'mt. As a new kid on the MT block, I'm finding the comments very helpful. I too am debating b/t spa & chiro. I agree every spa/chiro experience is different & we must look at them on an individual basis. I also agree, we as MT can't sell ourselves short. We must respect ourselves for others to respect us.

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floridasun in Spring Hill, Florida

70 months ago

FloridaLMT in Hialeah, Florida said: Well i had a bad experience going to a chiro, he offered me 9.00 an hour said he had great clients everyday about 50 hours a week of work. when i told him that i am licensed and that 9 an hour is very low said that he can pick any person off the street to do my work for 8 an hour. that since he is a chiro he can have massage therapist that does not have a license to work for him. he also said the same thing for his physical therapist... Also said that if i worked for him he would give me training on what a PT does. But this to me is out of the scope of practice for me and could cause harm to someone.

Does this chiro know that it is against Florida massage laws to have someone in his office practicing massage therapy on a client . You have to be licensed in the state of florida to do massage . I have been licensed for three yrs and i work for a chiro and a day spa.

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altmed07@bellsouth.net in Boca Raton, Florida

69 months ago

Sally ~ Thks for your feedback, I appreciate it. I totally understand about "sampling" different environments for experience. I know my ultimate goal is to do energy work/healing, but must start somewhere. I don't really want to be in a spa environment, however, if that's where I need to begin, so be it. I hear ya about the chiro's being robbers. I adjusted work comp clms for 20yrs (in my prior life) so I'm familiar w/the "billing" game. If I could pick your brain on another issue...self emply'mt taxes. Realizing it will be different for everyone, what is a good average to "sock away" for taxes? Thks again for your feedback. : )

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Sally in Boca Raton, Florida

69 months ago

Dear Altmed-
I used to say a good 10-15%, depending on your county and biz
expenses. If I have a good season and have a little extra I put
that to the side. Honestly with all the new tax laws and recession,
its hard to say. Last year I did not put away as much as I wanted, and thought I was going to have to pay $2k, but actually ended up
getting a small refund! Which I just had held for this year.

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Sheri in Miami, Florida

69 months ago

Sally in West Palm Beach, Florida said: Dear Altmed- I have been practicing massage a few years now and have
found that working in different envirnments helps you figure out what you don't want and what you want. I say try both. Only b/c every experience working will only make you a better therapist. It
is an ongoing growth process. I personally prefer the spa, small
office environment as the clientele is generally more appreciative.
Also the tips are better. You may also want to look into gyms,sports clubs and golf clubs. Keep in mind that a Chiro is haveing you do a 30 min tx on a patient, paying you $10 and billing insurance $50!! Most of them are unarmed robbers!!! Good luck.

Sally,I have been working for a Chiro now for one year. When I interviewed,he he said I will have to help with ultrasound etc. Well after that I noticed he added filing then taking out trash,doing laundry..now he is saying wiping windows..oh and wiping down the chiro tables. The office manager sits up front and at night the LMT's are very busy..she can take out her trash and straighten up the front area. I am a licensed professional and I feel I am a cleaner now. The other Therapist are now wanting to say something but there is one that is sucking up to the Chiro,because he is not a good therapist. Why is it that LMT's don't stand up for their rights. I am the only one that is fighting this...

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DC in Chicago, Illinois

69 months ago

Sally in West Palm Beach, Florida said: Dear Altmed- I have been practicing massage a few years now and have
found that working in different envirnments helps you figure out what you don't want and what you want. I say try both. Only b/c every experience working will only make you a better therapist. It
is an ongoing growth process. I personally prefer the spa, small
office environment as the clientele is generally more appreciative.
Also the tips are better. You may also want to look into gyms,sports clubs and golf clubs. Keep in mind that a Chiro is haveing you do a 30 min tx on a patient, paying you $10 and billing insurance $50!! Most of them are unarmed robbers!!! Good luck.

Just an FYI....If you bill an INS company $50 you would probably expect to collect $30, subtract from that number supplies & laundry per massage then minus staff time for scheduling, billing & collecting that money & sometimes never getting paid at all

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Sally in West Palm Beach, Florida

69 months ago

DC in Chicago, Illinois said: Just an FYI....If you bill an INS company $50 you would probably expect to collect $30, subtract from that number supplies & laundry per massage then minus staff time for scheduling, billing & collecting that money & sometimes never getting paid at all

I hear ya and that is why I don't deal with insurance or crooked chiropracters!

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Jackie Jones in Prescott Valley, Arizona

68 months ago

I am graduating from esthetician school in a few weeks and am seriously considering going to school for massage does anyone know about the 2 schools in prescott Az NAMTI and ASIS?Any info would be appreciated Thank you

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Mannie in Sierra Vista, Arizona

66 months ago

Jackie Jones in Prescott Valley, Arizona said: I am graduating from esthetician school in a few weeks and am seriously considering going to school for massage does anyone know about the 2 schools in prescott Az NAMTI and ASIS?Any info would be appreciated Thank you

I went to Apollo College, at the time I went it had about 5 different instructors that all had their own views, this helped me put together a great package of knowledge and let me decide how to use it. They have one up north, the bryman institute is supposed to be good, if you can get to tucson every body raves about DIHA Desert Institute of the Healing Arts... Good luck, let me know if you need any help, being from that area you have alot of choices of where to work, here in Sierra Vista, I do outcall part time, military makes for good clients, good for extra side money, but still, i'd rather be massaging full time ya know?

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Shannon

66 months ago

Hi~
I'm a MT with 15 years experience who has been out of the job pool for almost 4 years. I'm state-licensed and nationally certified. What percentage of commission would I want to ask for in a day spa situation? Is 70-60% feasible, or is 40% the norm these days? What kind of hourly rate would I want to ask for if that is an option? Thanks to all.

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bexon22 in Castries, Saint Lucia

66 months ago

Hi would you like to work in St Lucia?

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Shannon

66 months ago

Hi Katie~
Thanks for your reply :) Yes, they DO charge less than $80/hr. for Swedish--$70 actually....my impression is that years of experience don't necessarily give me tons of negotiating power in a day spa interview, and that the cap seems to be around 40-45%, whether I have 5 minutes of experience, or 25 years!Others who are NOT in the spa industry have been adamant that I need to ask for NO LESS THAN 60%. I'm confused and the interview is today!

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Shannon

66 months ago

Bexon22~
Are you serious? I have been contemplating the Caribbean VERY seriously this past week, and have been pondering how/when I could afford to travel there for work, costs involved, etc..in short, the answer to your question is YES.

How very interesting that you've asked....:)

Im simultaneously trying to get a job HERE in a day spa as a means to finance my dream of being THERE (Caribbean).

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Melissa

65 months ago

I work for a chiro as a PR person. We are trying to come up with a fair way to pay MT,In the past we have had MTs trying to recruit patients to go to them outside of the practice for cheaper rates. The practice wants to build a team to last and to create an atmosphere where the patient gets the best treatment and quality care. Would like to hear from you MT as to what would be your dream pay and what would keep you loyal to a practice??????

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Melissa

65 months ago

Work for chiro.In the past we have had unloyal massage therapist trying to take patients out of practice and offering them cheaper rates. We want to grow a loyal team of employees and create a system which benefits the pateient with great care and results from treatment. Would like to hear from MT as to what would be your dream pay and what would keep you loyal as a tema member to a pracvtice and grow together ????

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jaime hanisch, lmt,nctmb in Morgantown, West Virginia

65 months ago

Natalie McIntosh in Middletown, Ohio said: Sheri you misread that post, the DC is paying her $15 on the HALF hour. Actually $15 on 25 minutes. SO, for 50 minutes of work she's at $30 an hour.

Most chiro's pay by the UNIT not by the hour. There are 4 units in an hour. I know our LMT's are making $7 per unit and up. So minimum they are making $28 an hour. They do not have to get clients, we feed them the clients, we do the billing to the insurance companies, we do everything (even the cleaning). The only thing our LMT's have ever had to do is clean their own table in between clients.

Working for a chiro is not a bad gig at all.

i work for a chiro and get paid $6.oo per unit, so i am only getting paid for work performed, i am required to be there from open to close during business hours. he holds mandatory meetings that we ( the massage therapists) do not get paid for but get repremanded if late arriving to them, and he also does helth fairs and bridal shows that he mandates our time for and will not pay us, im still trying to figure out if that is legal. i like the fact that he gives us cients and takes care of everything but i donot enjoy voulunteering my time for mandatory functions of his bisness.

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Rose Masters in Redondo Beach, California

64 months ago

I have been a massage therapist and an energy worker for the past 20 years i have worked for my self in my own studio as well as for Chrio's and i have rented space my experience with Chrio's is that they for the most part want the M.T. to provide clients - linen - oil's - music and the table. Most want the M.T. in addition to go out and set up a chair and do free chair massages, to help grow the Chrio's practice, most Chrio's will pay any where from 10 - 15 per massage.

At present for the past 2 and a half months ive been working for a female Chrio she agreed to pay me 30 $ per massage i had asked for more, she doesn't have client/patients she may have 10 so she only works a few days a week and only a few hours a day, she held an office meeting - with me an herself - this is the sum total of the office staff, she decided that i should do my own advertising and promotion, She seems to have forgotten that she told me she needed to pay me 30 $ out of 85 for deep tissue, because she was going to be advertising well that has not happened, So i am really thinking of either leaving her office or letting her know that if i am to advertise and promote myself i will need to be paid at a higher %,...

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Rose Masters in Redondo Beach, California

63 months ago

There are Laws to protect you ... Look on line to see what fits your situation, I have worked for Chrio's in the past and i have delt with what your going thru It just comes to a point that you need to stand up for your self - Perhaps you can look for another office near you and make a better deal with another Chrio, let them know that you do have a following and can be an asset to there office But make sure you Tell them what you want or need out of them,....

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Shannon

63 months ago

I have 15 years experience as a licensed therapist and, after spending 6 years in academia (was then only doing massage privately p/t) and then moving to a resort town and working in a busy resort spa, I've relocated to my midwestern home in Ohio-a nice-sized city, and have been seeking spa positions.

Let me tell you--all I have seen, and I mean ALL I have seen, are various scenarios of cheap, dishonest, tacky, disrespectful spa owners trying to get way more than they are paying for.I have been devalued time and again in interviews and have walked out of more than one. I have had the intention of cobbling together a couple of part-time gigs while rebuilding my own practice. The three p/t jobs I have finally taken are a joke, but a necessary evil it seems, IF I want to work in my field andnot at the coffeeshop. I'm nauseated by the state of affairs for licensed professional therapists in this region of the country.

In a spa setting, it is the owner's job to handle the marketing--not mine. Nor should I be asked to stand at attention during a shift and be ever-ready to offer freebie massage to clients. That has to be the MOST tired, ineffectual marketing strategy.Wake up spa owners!Really. Free chair massage? *YAWN.* Use some creativity in your thinking, do the job that is yours to do, and treat the massage therapists as the professionals they are, instead of like dime-a-dozen hourly employees.

You get what you pay for.

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Rose Masters in Redondo Beach, California

63 months ago

This seems to be the constant norm for both Chrio's and Spa owners, they seem to feel as you have stated they view Massage Thech's as an hourly employ, even when their not paying by the hour. They fail to give the Massage tech the proper credit as the highly trained professionals that we are, in reality if they didn't have the thech's they would not have the tools to staff or do the work in their stores or offices, it is a given that if the Massage tech's didn't do the body work the rest would not be of any value, I my self have taken the stand that if the Chrio or Spa owner is not able or willing to advertise or do their part to bring in the clients so be it... neither will i.... if im going to beat the streets or knock on doors i will do it for my very own private practice, and not to line the pocket of any other person, Massage dose take a lot of energy and is sometimes physically demanding.

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Knead2Relax in Mukwonago, Wisconsin

63 months ago

sheri in Lake Worth, Florida said: well you are one of those Therapist that allows a Chiro to take advantage of our skills. Wow he raised your pay to 15,when he collects triple that. Hold your head up high and know how you should be treated.

She said that was for 25 min treatments, which puts her at $30/hour, which sounds pretty good as an employee especially if they're keeping her busy one client after another. I was getting $19.50/hour massage, but few clients and almost never back to back so I'd be there 1 1/2 hours w/ linen change and ariving early, paperwork etc, for only 1 hour of pay. If the massage was only half hour I'd only get 1/2 hour of pay even tho I was there for an hour. Wouldn't have been too bad if there was back to back clients.

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Rose Masters in Redondo Beach, California

63 months ago

I just got off the phone with the Chrio i have been working for - I have been there at her office since the end of Jan.2010 our arrangement was that she would advertise - supply all - other then the lotion i use, now she failed to mention that the room she wanted me to work in was completely bare other than a massage table, she did not want to get linen from a service she wanted to get her own, So ok that would mean she had to wash them as well, So now she let me know if i wanted a seat or shelves or any thing like to play music i would need to get it myself, So today she was upset because i told her Three weeks ago i would have Jury duty this week and next week i was going to start a Part time job with the census department - She feels i should be available to work when ever she calls, in the past few months i have worked per week one day i might have 3 people and then i might have 1 on another day, so per week it might be 4 to 5 massages and some weeks there is nothing, in our conversation today she had the nerve to tell me that i haven't brought in anyone on my own, I did remind her that she based my pay on the fact that she would be advertising and this has not happened So she told me if i wanted to be busies there i should go out and get clients - OOOO big mistake i told her if i wanted to go out and find clients to build a practice i would not be working in someone else office and giving them more then half of the fee.... Well she then told me that she would have to get some one else to work there doing massage if im not going to be able to come in when she calls... I did tell her to go right ahead and get someone else, Well then her tone changed, She then said well think about it and call her back....

So what is it they teach these people in Chrio school that makes them come out and act like they should be able to take advantage of others....

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Julie Houff in Lake Forest Park, Washington

62 months ago

Somehow my original message got erased so to recap in a very short nutshell version: Does 20/hour 22/hour after 6 months with sharing cleaning duties at a chiro for a 1000hr LMP grad sound reasonable. I was thinking more like 25-30/hr to start. He bills at $130/insurance and 75 cash and others. Any comments?

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Rose Masters in Redondo Beach, California

62 months ago

Im not clear on your Post...

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Julie Houff in Lake Forest Park, Washington

62 months ago

Boy, I WAS in a rush. I will be interviewing with a chiro tomorrow.

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Julie Houff in Lake Forest Park, Washington

62 months ago

Rose: Was it my post you had a question on? If you repost your questions, I can get back to you.

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The Facts in Los Angeles, California

62 months ago

sheri in Lake Worth, Florida said: well you are one of those Therapist that allows a Chiro to take advantage of our skills. Wow he raised your pay to 15,when he collects triple that. Hold your head up high and know how you should be treated.

Most Chiropractic office starting from 2008 and some even early have been having trouble collecting for masssage codes because insurance companies are no longer paying for this type of treatment,unless the doctor can prove through their exam and treatment notes that massage would be helpful for the patient's condition. If not, the insurance companies will deem the service medical unnecessary and will demand the money back! In addition the Chiropractic offfice are being forced to lower their hourly cash rate for massage between $25.00 to $45.00 because of the over populated stand alone therapy bussiness which pop up and have rates lower than what was the standard,included various forms of massage bussiness. Most paitents that go to chiropractic offices for massage are not the same type of person that goes to a high end spa, these people are all bule collar pay check to pay check type of people and dont't have alot of money. Chiropractors have no choice but to pay MT less since these people already want everything for free or believe that their insurance should pay for all their services. Sample, Blue Cross pays their out of network Chiroparctors $25.00 for the entire treatment regarless of specfic therapies given which can include chiroparctic, massage and physical therapy and or ACN American Chiropractic Network dotors get paid about the same with twice the required paper work. Even prior to this strigent practice by insurance companies. Massage therapy given at a Chiroparcctic practices to patient was precieved by the patients as part of their $5.00 or $10.00 dollar co-pay. Therfore, with over 15 yrs as a medical biller I can say that most Chiro offices pay what ins. and the general public are willing to pay.

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Confused in Sacramento, California

62 months ago

I work in a chiro office and we're thinking about bringing on a massage therapist for 2-3 days a week. We wouldn't provide any of the materials, because we've never had a MT before and wouldn't even know what to get! Would a MT prefer to be paid hourly, or paid per massage? If it's per massage, what percentage would you say is fair? Is it unreasonable to expect a MT to provide their own materials?

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Confused in Sacramento, California

62 months ago

I work in a chiro office and we're thinking about bringing on a massage therapist for 2-3 days a week. We wouldn't provide any of the materials, because we've never had a MT before and wouldn't even know what to get! Would a MT prefer to be paid hourly, or paid per massage? If it's per massage, what percentage would you say is fair? Is it unreasonable to expect a MT to provide their own materials?

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Rehab tech in Hollywood, Florida

61 months ago

Well Most places in Florida pay by the hour and not per hour session. I personally hate spas,they pay only per massage.I got my LMT license because I like the physical rehab field,you want to get paid 15 to 20 hourly(just for being there) get into rehab,or find a chiro or PT that doesn't have a "spa-like" system,no linens or lotion. Medical field typically pays hourly,but yes you still have some few places that will pay you a percent or per patient,but that is pretty much disappearing. Best thing to do is you find someone paying like that don't take the job and wait to find the pay you're worth,and still 15 an hour is little pay compare what these chiros or doctors are billing,I have seen huge offices that me lots of money paying only 13 an hour and smaller offices paying 20 an hour,so yes there are greedy doctors out there,the only way we can win is not to take these jobs in the end. so you see a chiro who has the nerve to pay $10 an hour or per massage,don't take their offer and make them suffer till they raise there pay and realize what you're worth. But unfortunately there are people who need to work and will take anything. But yeah here in Florida many places pay you by the hour and you'll make a steady check in the end,I guess some places are taking notice LMTs want to get paid by the hour.

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chiropractor in King Of Prussia, Pennsylvania

60 months ago

Sally in West Palm Beach, Florida said: I hear ya and that is why I don't deal with insurance or crooked chiropracters!

crooked chiropractor not chiropracter

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Leslie in Mansfield, Texas

60 months ago

so i just came from a interview with a job and it seemed to go great except im not sure if it was right for me;
when i came in they had me fill out paper work then wait for ten minutes,
then they moved me to a private room were they had me wait for another ten minutes
when the chiropractor finally came she interviewed me extremely quickly
didn't even completely fill me in on all the expectations the only thing she mentioned was that the table and lotions and sheets were provided by them and nothing else was mentioned i had to ask about pay and dress code i had more questions but she hurried off and then said i was to massage her secretary (chair massage) to see my massage strokes after agreeing and went to massage the secretary the chiropractor didn't even bother to enter to see my strokes or say goodbye when i was done i didn't really know what had happened; i don't know if she really is interested in my massage or me or the fact that i was able to massage
i mean the pay sounded decent she stated that they had 12/half hour and 50/per week as a flat pay rate plus tips
im not all too sure since this would be my first massage therapist job any advice
or do you think they sound too busy to really care about their therapist?

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Rose Masters in Redondo Beach, California

60 months ago

I would say Find another place to work in general Chrio's are Flakes and this one sounds like she is an extrem flake,

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ky massage therapist in Madisonville, Kentucky

59 months ago

I completely agree with dsamp's posting.
Working for a chiropractor can be more trouble than it is worth.

The one I worked for paid us a flat $14/hr for 15 - 23 minute deep tissue/trigger point work massages (1 and 2 units respectively) over clothing, one after the other, with no time in between to rest. We would average between 12 - 20 massages per day, and when we weren't working (if it was slow) we were expected to help out with office work. If there was no office work, we'd get the evil eye from our good dr. or perhaps be asked to clock out early. And let's not forget all the free coupons he was giving out for free massages on top of legitimate patients. Basically what he is running is a sweatshop for massage therapists! The full-timers were always hurting and not too happy. For what we were being paid, even with certain bonuses, it was not worth the wear and tear, imo.

8 massages per week on my own more than surpasses what I made hanging out at the chiropractor's for 16 hours/week. More importantly, I am no longer in pain.

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Gabi in Kansas in Manhattan, Kansas

59 months ago

I came across this site while looking into different areas where MT's work. I've been trying to contact differnt MT's in my area to ask them questions about schools and the work force but none have had time to talk with me. I am about to graduate with a B.S. in Kinesiology and Human Nutrition and I want to go on to Massage Therapy School. Any recommendations on good schools, or how to go about finding good schools? I am definatly not above moving, I was actually thinking about going to Florida for school. I am open to any comments or suggestons!!

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Alexis In San Diego Ca in Allen, Texas

59 months ago

Michelle in North Hollywood, California said: HELLO EVERYONE, I'M IN CALIFORNIA AND I JUST COMPLETED A NINE-MONTH MASSAGE THERAPY PROGRAM AND I FEEL AS IF I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO.....I STILL NEED MY LICENSE FOR L.A CITY WHICH NOW COSTS ABOUT $400(I AM WORKING ON GATHERING THE $$$ DUE TO ONLY WORKING PART-TIME)DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADVICE ???? i REALLY WOULD LOVE TO WORK IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE I KNOW I AM HELPING PEOPLE AND HAVE A PURPOSE

Hi Michelle, one of the downfalls to working in california is the fact that you litterally have to get a license for EVERY city you work in. I'm an HHP working in San Diego out of a chiroptractor's office. I don't know if the the fact that I'm an HHP matters but I only had to pay $20 to get a business license. You may want to get in contact with your city's business license rep and ask on the cost.

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mela in Fort Worth, Texas

59 months ago

Patricia Ercolano in Knoxville, Tennessee said: I am a nurse and was thinking about getting my massage license,and working for a spa or high end hair salon,then going out on my own and still continuing to practice as a nurse unless the road leads me somewhere else.Any advice?

you should go with a chiropractor since you're a nurse and with the license it puts you above the other people seeking the same job you should go work for a chiropractor part time and go to school then you get to know the job and then gradually take over the massage part other wanting a complete change of work i dont see the reason why you would go to a spa or salon.

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Jonathan in Bolivar, Missouri

59 months ago

Hi,
I'm trained in an ancient Native American body work that uses massage and stretching techniques for pain relief. How would I go about presenting this sort of work to a center? Any advice would be much appreciated. I'm young and highly motivated, but need my nose pointed down the right direction...thanks.

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ronald mills in Bakersfield

59 months ago

Hi,

I'm a medical student in California city. I'm looking forward to do masters in Internal medicine. At this juncture, I've heard about chiropractors in California.. I wanna become a chiropractic specialist rather then working in a SPA.

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Rose Masters in Manhattan Beach, California

59 months ago

Can you elaborate -- and where did you lean this, Are you A massage T...

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Tylerfenix in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

59 months ago

FloridaLMT in Hialeah, Florida said: Well i had a bad experience going to a chiro, he offered me 9.00 an hour said he had great clients everyday about 50 hours a week of work. when i told him that i am licensed and that 9 an hour is very low said that he can pick any person off the street to do my work for 8 an hour. that since he is a chiro he can have massage therapist that does not have a license to work for him. he also said the same thing for his physical therapist... Also said that if i worked for him he would give me training on what a PT does. But this to me is out of the scope of practice for me and could cause harm to someone.

I would be very careful with a guy like that! He sounds shady and abusive. The fact that he came back at you with a comment about finding "anyone off the street" at a lower rate proves to me that he is an abuser (having many years experience in abusive relationships and self defense) and that he will coerce and manipulate you. Please do not say yes to him. Stand up for your license because what he is asking and offering, in the State of Florida, is definitely ILLEGAL. Do not light his doorway again! Refer to your own schooling in this matter and the law CEU's we are required by the state to take each year.

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Tylerfenix in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

59 months ago

Confused in Sacramento, California said: I work in a chiro office and we're thinking about bringing on a massage therapist for 2-3 days a week. We wouldn't provide any of the materials, because we've never had a MT before and wouldn't even know what to get! Would a MT prefer to be paid hourly, or paid per massage? If it's per massage, what percentage would you say is fair? Is it unreasonable to expect a MT to provide their own materials?

Some secretaries get paid only 10-15 dollars and hour too. Do you ask them to bring their own Computers, copiers, fax machines, ink, pencils, pens, paper, clips, and so on? That is not near enough to be motivated to bring anything of your own. That's like teachers supplying their own stuff for the students wit such low pay. Now if you pay us what we are worth and a little more then I for one would be glad to bring at least my table. Linens must be cleaned, like every medical setting to the standards of each state. In Florida, we are licensed through the State and the D.O.H. We did not just start rubbing oil on people. We had to attend and pay for school just like the doctors, though not quite as much or as long. We still must attend State Required CEU classes which we must pay for. I know it is different from state to state, but the LMT's I know are hoping to change that and make it better for us. I am all for a Union but until that happens we need to stand up for ourselves. So providing our own materials depends on what you as a DC are offering. We as LMT's must be savvy and business minded too.
Look at it this way, I charge $90.00 per 60 min. massage. I go to the clients home. I have little overhead. I bring my table and linens and lotion and whatever else I may need. Afterwards, I pay $3.00 per load of linens at my laundry facility, which is a tax right off! my lotion costs 60 or so per gallon bottle. My table cost over $500. Are you willing to pay me $90 per hour? If so, I may be willing!

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Tylerfenix in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

58 months ago

Now hopefuly onto better things. I am Looking in Fort Lauderdale for PT assistant or Chiro assistant. I would like to know if anyone has experience in the area of PT assistant. I know to become a PT takes more schooling, and I may be into that, but I wonder if a LMT can assist without a PT License in Florida. Ill check with my friend on the State board but she is away for a while longer and I would like to send out some resumes specifically for this position. It would be a bonus to work under a PT while going to school to school to become one. I am interested in going more towards the Medical arena and less "feel good" stuff. I like both. Thanks for any replies and please disregard the Anger Monger from before. I m going on a different pathway.

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carmen fugate in Terrell, Texas

58 months ago

Just passed my State exam. I have worked in a hospital for over 15 years and would like to do massage in a medical setting. I love to massage and work with the neck muscles and trapezius.

I don't think i would like doing the Sedish Massage throughout my career (BORING)! I want to benefit my clientale in making a difference with their overall health with Massage.

Thanks for your help.

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socali

57 months ago

I have been a MT for 11yrs,and i love it!I have to say though it has been challenging physically. Working fulltime will eventually take it's toll.Pacing yourself ,whether working for a spa,or chiro.I started to feel like a work horse,then backed off from the field to take a break.Remember you can not give 100% if you dont feel 100% yourself. I currently work for an awesome chiro.and i love it!!!

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Michelle in Battle Creek, Michigan

56 months ago

Hi. Are there any Massage Therapist in Michigan who can give some insight on the earnings in Chiropractor Office as a M.T.. Also, how can I find out how much is an allowable billing to the insurance company from the DC for Massage Therapy. During an interview, is it acceptable to ask the DC how much they bill for from the insurance company. I am brand new-fresh out of school. Thx for the help.

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Sharon in Dallas, Texas

56 months ago

For those of you who work in a chiropractor's office, I have a question. Does anyone know if it is illegal to remove massage intake forms from the office if you are working as an independent contractor?

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DC in Chicago, Illinois

55 months ago

About Michigan...I would assume it would be a self pay (cash) fee for Massage in a DC'S office since it is outside the scope of practice for a DC to do much other than adjust/manipulate...so just ask what they charge.

To clarify massage billing to insurance...
A)It is should mostly be/usually done with either one of the following 2 CPT codes
97140 (myofascial release) or
97124 (massage: efflerage, pettrasage, tapoement)
(please reference the AMA to get detialed definitions)

B) They are also billed in units(of time)
1 unit- 8 to 22 min
2 units-23 to 37 min
3 units-38 to 52 min
4 units-53 to ....you get the idea

C) Each unit that is billied to insurance co. does not necessarily mean:
1) reimbursement is recieved (does the ins co limit the number of units billed on a certain day, is it medically necessary(service is denied),etc...)
2) the office collects what is billed (contracts with ins companies, never paid due to a failed PI case, etc...)

So in my opinion to ask a DC what they bill is irrelavant...

There are two basic alternatives to working as an MT
1) Independant Contractor- run your own business, more risk for more possible reward($)
2) Employee- less risk for less reward but should be much more stable (hrs/wages)(obviously dependant on who you work for)

so Ask....Will you be classified as a Independant contractor (your own boss) or employee(see IRS regulations)

As an employee:
1) what hourly wage will you recieve for doing massage
2) is there a different wage for downtime (present but not massaging)
3) what else is required of me (which may change from time to time)
are good starting points

Also as an employee, you should be told when to show up (not have to supply anything but your skills & personality)and leave.....

Hope this helps

Each senerio has different

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ChiroLMT in Sarasota, Florida

53 months ago

I work for a chiropractor in Florida. It's $15/hour for about 40 hours per week. I do therapeutic massages of 1-2 units each for 15-20 patients a day. I also stretch patients and teach rehab exercises. When I'm not with a patient I do everything from take the trash out to clean the mirrors to file to help verify insurance. Anyone who can answers the phone, schedules appointments, etc.

I'm an employee. I get holiday pay, one week of vacation after a year, no sick time, no insurance. The doctor provides everything. Table, linens, washer/dryer and soap, cleaning supplies, lotion, etc. I'm paid for special events outside of "normal working hours". I have to stay late if a patient is running late, and sometimes come in early if that's the only time a patient can come. I'm the only therapist on staff and it's a small office. I also get free spinal manipulations. I rarely ever get tipped. (Maybe $30 over the past six months.)

Would I like to make more money? Yes. A lot of therapists in my area make more. HOWEVER, the majority of the therapists I know don't get paid when they aren't with clients. Most of these therapists work at 2-3 offices (chiropractic, salon, spa, or private practice) and have to juggle schedules. Or, they make a lot of money 4-5 months out of the year when it's season, but then struggle the rest of the year. Having a steady paycheck from one location that values me is worth making a few dollars less. There are a lot of "high burn out" positions here... I'd rather make slightly less and save my career for years to come.

Do I mind taking the trash out? Not at all. When you are a part of a team you do what needs to be done. I don't believe in job descriptions. If the doctor's running behind I wipe off his table and change the face paper because I know it's going to make the day run more smoothly. He often does little things for me as well, like put laundry in the dryer if I can't get to it.

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