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Tankweti in Pleasant Valley, New York

28 months ago

Mark in Jackson Heights, New York said: What about ObamaCare making more demand for nurses?
Hi, I am a BSN graduated from well thought of school in my area in 2010, GPA 3.5. My fatal mistake was that I did not get a job as a CNA during school and now I cannot get hired by anyone. Apparently, hospitals want some pt care experience plus your license and will not give those who do not have BOTH any kind of a chance at all. I am now working P/T as a med transcriber in a small hospital which is an 80 mile round trip drive from my home. I did med transcription for years and this is what I have experience in; it seems all employers care about now is experience. So, after 4 years of school, I am back stuck in the same spot. I am in bad need of money so I am now scrambling for a random data entry job paying $9.25 per hour thru Manpower, competing with I don't know how many other people for 6 positions. It is a shame and a disgrace. As to the Obamacare question, I read in the magazine "The Hospitalist" which my facility subscribes to that there will be NO NEW HIRING OF PHYSICIANS, NURSES, OR OTHER PROVIDERS AND NO ADDITION OF NEW BEDS FOR THE ONSLAUGHT OF NEW PATIENTS THAT IS EXPECTED FROM OBAMACARE. Hospitals are already having lots of meetings on this subject and have been for several years. The consensus appears to be, since the new insurance will not pay well, that patients will be accepted into the hospital but will be discharged even faster than they are now. The first meeting of the day will be to convene and see who can be safely discharged (even if they have only been there for 1 day). Of course, hospitals are rolling the dice as to whether they might be liable for discharges that are way too early. But they have to take their chances or wind up closing their doors eventually. This will mean that these patients will be pushed out into either long term care facilities or home care.

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Hannah in Riverhead, New York

26 months ago

Mama Bear LPN in Hollywood, Florida said: Obamacare is why there are no jobs I work home health but obamacare has killed all the agencies I used to work for 10 but obamacare cut the payments Ive actually had 3 pts who lost home health because medicare stopped reimbursing for alot of things and when they do its at a fraction of what it was. There were so many agencies asking me to work for them now NONE

No one should get into nursing obama is spending the medicare money even the poor who I worked with have it harder andoabama said it would be better but instead their premiums are higher and their copays have doubled and theyre hurting the most which the poor always does. They say theyre going to help them and now theyve lost so much it impacts their entire life because they live on fixed incomes which hasnt been raised in a long time and he is talking about reducing payments. And when the poor living in housing the housing takes their raise so they really dont get tyem when they do! Its the poor that pays the cost....so sad.

I'm not so sure that Obamacare is the issue here---the shortage of jobs for nurses has been going on a lot longer than Obamacare has been going on. Before Obamacare, reimbursements from insurance companies had been decreasing every year, and the number of illegal immigrants getting medical services that they didn't pay for has also increased exponentially. They use ED's like clinics, give fake names & addresses and don't pay the bill. They can't be tracked, so the hospital eats it & writes it off as bad debt. It's happening everywhere. So, facilities are running on skeleton staffing, and working the nurses to death. Nurses are also not retiring like they used to because they don't know if they can support themselves after they retire---so they keep on working, even though they shouldn't be. Things have changed so much in the 20+ years I've been a nurse.

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psmom in Woodbury, New Jersey

25 months ago

Ok now you all have me trying to figure out what to do more than I already was. I will graduate in NJ with a BA not in nursing in Psychology/Humanities. But was thinking about going back to get my RN. I have went back and forth to get my RN and then let where ever I work pay for my BA in nursing. But am I really going to have an issue with getting a job. I thought this was the field to go into UGH!!

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Hannah in Riverhead, New York

25 months ago

psmom in Woodbury, New Jersey said: Ok now you all have me trying to figure out what to do more than I already was. I will graduate in NJ with a BA not in nursing in Psychology/Humanities. But was thinking about going back to get my RN. I have went back and forth to get my RN and then let where ever I work pay for my BA in nursing. But am I really going to have an issue with getting a job. I thought this was the field to go into UGH!!

Nope. Nursing isn't the field to go into anymore. I'm a little confused about your post, though--you say you're graduating with a BA in Psych/Humanities, then say you went back and forth to get your RN. Are you an RN already? Are you thinking about getting your RN degree? My suggestion to you is if you want to go into health care, get into a physician's assistant program. That is the future of health care. No one ever thought that a nurse wouldn't be able to find a job---no one also ever thought that a box of cereal would cost $6 either. A physician's assistant program is 2 years--a constant 2 years, 24 months straight--and there are certain pre-requisites you have to have which I am not sure you took in your psych/humanities program. The pre-req's are mainly science-oriented: genetics, chemistries, statistics, microbiology. I don't know of any hospitals that pay for nurses to get their degrees anymore either---some hospitals used to pay for nurses aides to get their 2 year degree or pay for a 2 year degree nurse to get their BS. What I'd suggest is to go to beauty school, learn how to color hair & do highlights better than anybody else in New Jersey, and then buy a salon. I pay my hairdresser more for 2 hours than what I get paid for 2 hours!!!

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glittermama in Round Rock, Texas

23 months ago

I just had back surgery and was accused of HIPPA violations when I accidently caught fraud being condoned the homecare office I worked for. I had to call around forever to find out who to report it to since they went on the defense to CTA and then tried to scapegoat me. I have been told the Joint Commission should investigate if I send a letter but I also need to report the other nurses involved. This happened just before my surgery and I can't do the type of nursing I was use to doing anyway but I feel so stuck. They will come up with the craziest reasons to give shifts to newer nurses who don't know what they are doing or who just think homecare is playing on their computer and getting paid for it or getting extremely personal with the family and coming and going as they please and the company could care less because they just want to get paid for those hours also. It's getting very bad out there. The corruption in D.C. is trickling down and you only succeed if you are a back-stabbing liar willing to do anything for money including sending unqualified nurses to take care of children who usually have no voice ( literally ) since I worked with kids on traches meaning they usually could not talk. I can only hope to get a Dr. office job or learn to do some task where I can still be a nurse and help people but not have to do the physical part as much. A word to the wise for homecare nurses, if you walk into a home and something is just not right report it. If notes are missing, report it. If a nurse was suppose to be there to cover your shift then report it. People will do or say anything to not get caught letting these nurses say they are in these homes when they were not. Also I know insinuations that the family will be reported to CPS is also being used as a weapon against the parents if they say anything. Like in my case I was told straight out "I" was going to jail for fraud whenever tis nurse was caught. For whatever reason she was being protected.

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arielssister in victorville, California

23 months ago

Tankweti in Pleasant Valley, New York

5 months ago

"Hi, I am a BSN graduated from well thought of school in my area in 2010, GPA 3.5. My fatal mistake was that I did not get a job as a CNA during school and now I cannot get hired by anyone. Apparently, hospitals want some pt care experience plus your license and will not give those who do not have BOTH any kind of a chance at all. I am now working P/T as a med transcriber in a small hospital which is an 80 mile round trip drive from my home. I did med transcription for years and this is what I have experience in; it seems all employers care about now is experience. So, after 4 years of school, I am back stuck in the same spot. I am in bad need of money so I am now scrambling for a random data entry job paying $9.25 per hour thru Manpower, competing with I don't know how many other people for 6 positions. It is a shame and a disgrace."

It pays to do your research, I'm a research junkie!!!I was informed that within the next few years the state of California is going to follow suit and it will be mandatory for any Nursing hopeful to complete and pass the CNA Program to enter the Nursing Program. It's already common knowledge that you must have a min 1yr hospital setting experience before anyone will hire you. I was initially planning on going into the RT program but decided the RN was the better option. I met an RT who regrets not going into the Nursing program instead. She's been working for the state as an RT since 1994 and makes a mere $15.00/hr-CNA's make $13.00! Schools don't tell you this until after the second module and then they want you to sign up for their CNA program but you have to pay for it out of pocket!

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mroller in Alliance, Nebraska

23 months ago

arielssister in victorville, California said: Tankweti in Pleasant Valley, New York

5 months ago

"Hi, I am a BSN graduated from well thought of school in my area in 2010, GPA 3.5. My fatal mistake was that I did not get a job as a CNA during school and now I cannot get hired by anyone. Apparently, hospitals want some pt care experience plus your license and will not give those who do not have BOTH any kind of a chance at all. I am now working P/T as a med transcriber in a small hospital which is an 80 mile round trip drive from my home. I did med transcription for years and this is what I have experience in; it seems all employers care about now is experience. So, after 4 years of school, I am back stuck in the same spot. I am in bad need of money so I am now scrambling for a random data entry job paying $9.25 per hour thru Manpower, competing with I don't know how many other people for 6 positions. It is a shame and a disgrace."

Come out to Nebraska; rural areas are begging for nurses. Spend a few years with us at Good Samaritan long term care in Alliance, get hands on experience in all facets of nursing and then go back to NY or CA (if you still want to). I've been recruiting RNs & LPNs from Colorado and California. We'd love to have you look at us! Maurine

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Jaded in Eugene, Oregon

22 months ago

arielssister in victorville, California said: Tankweti in Pleasant Valley, New York

5 months ago

"Hi, I am a BSN graduated from well thought of school in my area in 2010, GPA 3.5. My fatal mistake was that I did not get a job as a CNA during school and now I cannot get hired by anyone. Apparently, hospitals want some pt care experience plus your license and will not give those who do not have BOTH any kind of a chance at all. I am now working P/T as a med transcriber in a small hospital which is an 80 mile round trip drive from my home. I did med transcription for years and this is what I have experience in; it seems all employers care about now is experience. So, after 4 years of school, I am back stuck in the same spot. I am in bad need of money so I am now scrambling for a random data entry job paying $9.25 per hour thru Manpower, competing with I don't know how many other people for 6 positions. It is a shame and a disgrace."

It pays to do your research, I'm a research junkie!!!I was informed that within the next few years the state of California is going to follow suit and it will be mandatory for any Nursing hopeful to complete and pass the CNA Program to enter the Nursing Program. It's already common knowledge that you must have a min 1yr hospital setting experience before anyone will hire you. I was initially planning on going into the RT program but decided the RN was the better option. I met an RT who regrets not going into the Nursing program instead. She's been working for the state as an RT since 1994 and makes a mere $15.00/ hr -CNA's make $13.00! Schools don't tell you this until after the second module and then they want you to sign up for their CNA program but you have to pay for it out of pocket!

It wouldn't matter if you had a CNA. One of my friends who lives in NY has her Masters and can't get work. People were led to believe there was a shortage. There has never been a shortage. If you are young, change professions.

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No name in Berwyn, Pennsylvania

22 months ago

unlucky in Orange Park, Florida said: I am completely depressed about this entire nursing situation. I spent my last dime going to school, student loans are kicking in ,220 applications later, 9 months later after graduation and still nothing. My husband lost his job this week, we have a 6 month old baby, what next? Go to school some more? With what money? Go volunteer? Well that doesn't pay the bills. Soon, I will have to start working 2 jobs just to make ends meet, probably in some fast food restaurant or something. Nursing field is a complete let down and waste of time, unless you know someone to get into the field, its worthless. You are going against thousands of applicants, more and more adding to it each graduating semester.

Think out of the box? I received my RN--Associates Degree 2 years ago. I started my own Home Health Agency. Make way more than a hospital salary with 100% less hassle, plus I control my own hours.

Why do nurses think hospital jobs are the only and best nursing jobs???

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Another no namer in Phoenix, Arizona

22 months ago

unlucky in Orange Park, Florida said: I am completely depressed about this entire nursing situation. I spent my last dime going to school, student loans are kicking in ,220 applications later, 9 months later after graduation and still nothing. My husband lost his job this week, we have a 6 month old baby, what next? Go to school some more? With what money? Go volunteer? Well that doesn't pay the bills. Soon, I will have to start working 2 jobs just to make ends meet, probably in some fast food restaurant or something. Nursing field is a complete let down and waste of time, unless you know someone to get into the field, its worthless. You are going against thousands of applicants, more and more adding to it each graduating semester.

I would look into pharmaceutical or medical device sales positions. I have a friend who went thru nursing school only to learn she didn't like it or want to be a nurse. She got into medical sales because of her "nursing" background and she's been doing it now for 5 years. Don't know what medical sales jobs would be in your part of the country, and most of the time you're working out your home w/some travel to corporate for training or other purposes. Check it out, what have you got to lose other than your sanity.

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No name in Berwyn, Pennsylvania

22 months ago

Holly in Cincinnati, Ohio said: I don't regret going to nursing school, however I'm very scared that I'm not going to be able to find a job before I have to pay back my student loans.

I just graduated with my BSN, passed my NCLEX the first time and have been applying like crazy with no luck. Not even one call back. Everyone wants experience but no one is willing to give it to you.

It just really sucks because now I'm stuck as a waitress when I'm much more qualified. I just feel like a failure and have just been so depressed the past few weeks. I'm not against moving, I think it would even be a fun adventure, but I'm just really scared about all the change and what to do next.

Work private duty...post an ad!

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Nette in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

22 months ago

Jenny in Berwyn, Pennsylvania said: This is scary...I start my clinicals this fall:(

Hi Jenny...are you a Rn?

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Nette in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

22 months ago

No name in Berwyn, Pennsylvania said: Think out of the box? I received my RN--Associates Degree 2 years ago. I started my own Home Health Agency. Make way more than a hospital salary with 100% less hassle, plus I control my own hours.

Why do nurses think hospital jobs are the only and best nursing jobs???

Hello..I am a Cna...am I able to call you please?

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No name in Marcus Hook, Pennsylvania

22 months ago

I agree with you 100%. Especially about the "traditional" nursing job market being horrible. That's exactly why nurses need to think creatively...you can find something until your educational goals are furthered or your dream job comes along.

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J& J is Awful in Raritan, New Jersey

21 months ago

Julie in Marysville, Washington said: Boy DenimBlue I think you are 'spot on' and I I HATE THE "JOHNSON & JOHNSON - CAMPAIGN FOR NURSING" COMMERCIAL!!!! I

Johnson & Johnson spends millions showing that commercial - but only gives away a few thousand in scholarship money each year. I worked for them at Ethicon. They had a leak of ethylene oxide gas ( a carcinogen) but instead of finding the leak - they cut the warning alarms. Many of my coworkers are sick or DEAD because of their chemical exposures at J&J.

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J& J is Awful in Raritan, New Jersey

21 months ago

Julie in Marysville, Washington said: Yah, they are still playing the "Johnson & Johnson" commercials here in WA state. Apparently our state is heavily recruiting more nurse educators, if I am understanding the announcement from the DOH correctly, they (the State) want to repay the educational loans that the educators have acquired if they will make a committment to teach for a given amount of time. I am all for promoting educating the masses.... but it is CrAzY when we finish and there isn't a job available!!!

I am begining to realize that colleges are like a business. They want to suck in as many students as they can , and of course their FAFSA loan money, but the product they offer ( a degree) is really not worth anything, since so many otehr nursing students hold the same degree. There are no nursing jobs.

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USA Born LPN in Raritan, New Jersey

21 months ago

candy863girl in Haines City, Florida said: I'm also a new nurse, I graduated in September of 2011, then took my boards in November of 2011 and passed on my first try, then in January of this year 2012 I finally found a place that hired new nurses..........I got hired on the 1st of February and today is the 9th and I'm still not on the schedule nor am I working!!!!! Does it usually take this long for them to put me to work??? Or are they giving me the run around? Ps.It a nursing home

I had that happen in one job. I was left off the scheule for 3 weeks because when I was aksed I replied that the training nurse took a narcotic from another patient and gave it to this patient , because she did not have time to run downstairs to the PIXUS. I wasnt going to take the blame because something my trainer did. I wasnt called back for 3 weeks , in the midtime I found another job that strung me along a few months and then found others to work. There are just too many nurses out there- who bought the horse and cart like me, beleiveing it would be a way out of poverty. I am sorry I became an LPN so I dropped my license and am trying for a medical officer job.

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USA Born LPN in Raritan, New Jersey

21 months ago

Sorry about my spelling in the last coment - keyboard messed up .

In most places I have worked I was the ONLY American born nurse.I am just getting so frustrated. The nursing homes wont even hire African Americans anymore! I am caucasion and work in an overwhelmingly white nursing homes. Some of the foreign born nurses are nice, but many are not. It seems that all the American born students , who became LPNs, are having a very difficult time finding work, while the foreign born ones (from our class) get the choice jobs. Now if I went to the Phillipines or India ,do you think I would get preference??

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USA Born LPN in Raritan, New Jersey

21 months ago

Julie in Marysville, Washington said: Yah, they are still playing the "Johnson & Johnson" commercials here in WA state. Apparently our state is heavily recruiting more nurse educators, if I am understanding the announcement from the DOH correctly, they (the State) want to repay the educational loans that the educators have acquired if they will make a committment to teach for a given amount of time. I am all for promoting educating the masses.... but it is CrAzY when we finish and there isn't a job available!!!

Dont forget the state will recieve all the student tuition, so maybe that is why they are opening more nursing classes up.

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USA Born LPN in Raritan, New Jersey

21 months ago

Ronda601 in Orlando, Florida said: I am sorry to hear most of you are New grads and There are a lot of personality disorders in nursing, including physicians, managers and family members. In the beginning its kind of shocking how rude and mean people chains so if you quit without notice or get fired because you get Satan for a nurse manager,

I find working with other women the worse part of the job, but male nurses can be just as bad. I have quit many jobs due to fellow employee harassment, but if I ever get another LPN job, I will let them know that I will be suing if the harassment does not stop. Many murse are the spawn of SATAN! Loved your point of view. Refreshing and true !

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USA Born LPN in Raritan, New Jersey

21 months ago

Diane in Riverhead, New York said: The nursing situation on Long Island & in New York is abominable. I had an awesome job at a major, well-known & world-renowned dermatololgy practice for a year and 2 months, and got laid off in the beginning of February, 2013. The

Read the book "The Good Nurse"

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Experience doesn't matter in Redmond, Oregon

21 months ago

The Pacific Northwest is having the same glut of nurses. The only RN jobs in Oregon are for relief in rural communities. One of my friends was laid off in Seattle and is still looking for work. Nobody could afford to move somewhere only working maybe one day per month. I am stuck here doing the same at least my significant other has a job. It doesn't matter if an RN has experienced there is just too much competition.

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Diane in Riverhead, New York

21 months ago

USA Born LPN in Raritan, New Jersey said:

Okay. I remember hearing about that guy----for some reason I thought he was from Long Island or Staten Island or something. Very crazy!!!!!

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Paula Flowers in Houston, Texas

20 months ago

We have lots of opportunities in Houston because we have a huge medical center, managed care, and insurance industry as well as pharma, medical device etc, the list goes on. Obama Care has not effected us. What effects most healthcare professionals as it did in the 1990s, the schools FLOOD THE MARKET, too many students, not enough placement. You have to look before you leap and we hire new grads. As far as lay offs, NO EMPLOYER LAYS OF THE GOOD EMPLOYEE AND KEEPS THE BAD. SORRY, UTMB in Galveston, laid off lots of employees after the hurricaine, but during the reorganization, placed them in temporary jobs/hospitals. After, they reorganized they only kept who they wanted and found a way to rid toxic, nonproductive employees.

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Diane in Riverhead, New York

20 months ago

I graduated in 1989, and was hired by a major medical center in Manhattan over the phone, sight unseen. Today, everything is done over the internet & if you walk into a nursing office in a hospital they'll call security to escort you out. It's good that in your area there are opportunities, but it's not like that in the majority of the country. It is undisputed that over the years, insurance reimbursements are down & with that must come budget cuts. It is more financially beneficial for a facility to utilize travel nurses or agency nurses instead of hiring staff because the facility saves on benefits. Even if the actual price of the nurses is through the roof, they're still paying less. A big problem where I am is that there are a few community colleges putting out 2 year nurses & places do not want to hire the associate degree nurses---they want bachelor's degrees. So, the only ones benefitting from that are the schools that are making money. If a bachelor's the minimum that places want, then make it official & get rid of the 2 year associate's degree schools. And I disagree with employers not laying off good employees & keeping bad ones----there's a lot of "incest" & politics that go on in facilities. If you're a horrible, lazy nurse but you're good friends with administration, guess what? Unless you kill someone, you'll never lose your job. And, in places with unions, it's the same thing. Unfortunately, nursing isn't the only profession that is suffering with the job situation in this economy---I think it's just that a lot of people were misled into thinking that there was some kind of "nursing shortage" and that if they went back to a 2 year school & got their nursing degree, they wouldn't have trouble finding a job, and that isn't the case.

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mrcn23 in Parkville, Maryland

20 months ago

ive been a nurse for 5 years and i absolutely have had a rough time.
Ive been fired once, resigned once, and have had 5 different jobs in 5 years. My current 2, ive held for 3 years. The realization that being a nurse and an employee are two very different roles. If your looking for a good job you gotta be a valuable employee nowadays. Thats what i will tell nursing students graduating..think like an eployee, act like a nurse. "hmm a good book title"

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missyh45 in Arlington, Texas

20 months ago

AMEN! Ive been an R.N. for 21 years. It has been one misery after another. The only satisfaction is the relationships with patients, but evrty now and then you have family members threatening your life uf something happens to their lived ones. It is one if the most unprofessional and hostile work environments out there!! Do something else!!!! Beaty school is a much better idea. Or go to massage school. Nursing is a horrible, thankless job and career choice. I was going to return to school for an advanced degree.....oh hell no!! Id rather step in front of a bus than out up with any more sh@&!!!

Hannah in Riverhead, New York said: Nope. Nursing isn't the field to go into anymore. I'm a little confused about your post, though--you say you're graduating with a BA in Psych/Humanities, then say you went back and forth to get your RN. Are you an RN already? Are you thinking about getting your RN degree? My suggestion to you is if you want to go into health care , get into a physician's assistant program. That is the future of health care. No one ever thought that a nurse wouldn't be able to find a job---no one also ever thought that a box of cereal would cost $6 either. A physician's assistant program is 2 years--a constant 2 years, 24 months straight--and there are certain pre-requisites you have to have which I am not sure you took in your psych/humanities program. The pre-req's are mainly science-oriented: genetics, chemistries, statistics, microbiology. I don't know of any hospitals that pay for nurses to get their degrees anymore either---some hospitals used to pay for nurses aides to get their 2 year degree or pay for a 2 year degree nurse to get their BS. What I'd suggest is to go to beauty school, learn how to color hair & do highlights better than anybody else in New Jersey, and then buy a salon. I pay my hairdresser more for 2 hours than what I get paid for 2 hours!!!

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missyh45 in Arlington, Texas

20 months ago

J& J is Awful in Raritan, New Jersey said: I am begining to realize that colleges are like a business . They want to suck in as many students as they can , and of course their FAFSA loan money, but the product they offer ( a degree) is really not worth anything, since so many otehr nursing students hold the same degree. There are no nursing jobs.

They are! They just want your money! "Degree's from a lot of "universities" are not even considered real nursing programs. You won't be happy, you'll be in thousands of dollars of debt wihout a job. Nursing sucks! It's so hard to get through nursing school as it is and then end up with no job. Its complete BS!

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No name in Paoli, Pennsylvania

20 months ago

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME??? I'm in Nursing Fundamentals as we speak, with hospital rotations. I'm doing excellent academically, love caring for the patients, but cannot stand the hospital environment--period. The reason I want to be a nurse is to work with end-stage Alzheimer's patients/Hospice. I get the fact that I will need tons of med/surg. and other experience,years, to get there. Am I a "bad" nursing student because I already sense that hospitals are miserable holes and soul-sucking vortexes? I should not say that--all nurses have their own goals/gigs. I just see Med/Surg. as my stepping stone out of this...purgatory?

Thanks in advance for suggestions.

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No name in Paoli, Pennsylvania

20 months ago

Diane in Riverhead, New York said: I don't think that hospital jobs are "the best" jobs to have, but I do think that the first job out of school should be in some sort of facility, either hospital or skilled nursing facility. And the reason I feel this way is because working in a facility helps you with time management skills, you're always exposed to the administration of different meds, different lab tests, different diagnoses, the care of different patients, infection control, etc. I don't think doing home care challenges you in the same way. Most people go into nursing to do the "traditional" nursing role, and that is in a hospital. They either move onto management, go on for an advanced degree as a nurse practitioner or CRNA, or get involved in a "different" type of nursing. You'd be hard pressed to find a 25 year career nurse still at the bedside. Working in a facility helps you to "plump up" & "maximize" your skills as a nurse. Advanced degree programs----especially for nurse anesthesia--will only take nurses who have 2 years of intense critical care experience, & there's a reason for it--because to be CRNAs nurses need to know their meds inside & out, know advanced physiology, know how to interpret lab results & blood gases, know how things relate to each other, be able to work with central venous lines, arterial lines & pulmonary artery catheters, work with ventilators & know what the parameters are for extubating a patient......you don't get that experience in home care. I'm not trashing home care, but if you want to advance in the nursing field, I'm not sure home care is the best route to take. That being said, the job market is horrible.

You are missing the point: some nurses don't want to work in hospitals nor pursue advanced practice. Is my scope of practice limited? Yes. Do I have a secure job with a very good income? Yes. Am I happy? Yes. Are you unemployed with your advanced degree? Probably...?

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Experience doesn't matter in Redmond, Oregon

20 months ago

No name in Paoli, Pennsylvania said: CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME??? I'm in Nursing Fundamentals as we speak, with hospital rotations. I'm doing excellent academically, love caring for the patients, but cannot stand the hospital environment--period. The reason I want to be a nurse is to work with end-stage Alzheimer's patients/Hospice. I get the fact that I will need tons of med/surg. and other experience,years, to get there. Am I a "bad" nursing student because I already sense that hospitals are miserable holes and soul-sucking vortexes? I should not say that--all nurses have their own goals/gigs. I just see Med/Surg. as my stepping stone out of this...purgatory?

Thanks in advance for suggestions.

Some hospice companies want that 2-3 years in med/surg because of PICC lines, CADD pumps, etc. Plus hospice needs good critical thinking as you are in the home ALONE. There is a movement on the part of medicare to eliminate dementia/Alzheimer's as a diagnosis code for admission as the end is always longer than 6 months and there are multiple readmissions to hospice. Rural areas will often take on new grads so if you can move keep with it. I think the problem with nursing is people get into for a job instead of realizing what it is. It would be a hard job to do for money.

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Diane in Riverhead, New York

20 months ago

Give it a chance & keep an open mind, or you're going to be miserable for the next few years. Use the hospital as a learning experience without the "miserable holes" & "soul-sucking vortexes" opinions. Remember, there are plenty of hospice patients that are in hospitals & not all hospice patients are in their own homes. Hospice is a field all to itself, & I have always viewed hospice nurses as the most special nurses because they do something that I know I would never be able to do. Don't lose your compassion, empathy or tenderness because you hate the hospital environment. But do keep an open mind--you may find that you like other areas besides the hospice area.

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Diane in Riverhead, New York

20 months ago

I'd have to say that I think all 2 year, associate degree colleges are just taking people's money, especially when it comes to nursing degrees because very few hospitals (where I live, anyway) will even hire 2 year nurses. In fact, I don't know of any around me that do. They want 4 year degrees. Having said that, anybody that is thinking about going to nursing school should really do their due diligence before paying the tuition & wasting 2 years of their life. In most places, you WILL need a 4 year degree. So, you'll need to either bite the bullet & go for 4 years, or choose another profession. Even with a 4 year degree, nursing jobs where I live are scarce these days. If you told nurses 25 years ago, when I graduated from a 4 year college, that in 25 years it would be very difficult to get a job, we would have all laughed at you. Nursing was always presented as a recession-proof job because people would always need nursing care in hospitals & other facilities. Now health care has proven itself to be affected by the recession just like every other arena because insurance companies & management companies are running the show & dictating who does what, when, where & why. Notwithstanding that, I don't think nursing salaries have risen along with inflation & they are extremely overworked & severely underpaid. Nurses where I live should be making well over $100K because the cost of living is outrageous, & they're not. When I see guys I went to high school with that became cops that didn't even go to college making on average $135,000 (one of them made over $190,000 last year), it boggles my mind. You can do something where you don't work nearly as hard as a nurse & make more money without spending a fortune on school. You need to find something that everybody needs, whether there's a recession or not. Shoot---I know landscapers making more than nurses!

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Diane in Riverhead, New York

20 months ago

missyh45 in Arlington, Texas said: AMEN! Ive been an R.N. for 21 years. It has been one misery after another. The only satisfaction is the relationships with patients, but evrty now and then you have family members threatening your life uf something happens to their lived ones. It is one if the most unprofessional and hostile work environments out there!! Do something else!!!! Beaty school is a much better idea. Or go to massage school. Nursing is a horrible, thankless job and career choice. I was going to return to school for an advanced degree.....oh hell no!! Id rather step in front of a bus than out up with any more sh@&!!!

Relationships with patients? You actually keep patients long enough to develop relationships with them? Nursing wouldn't be such a bad job if nurses were paid fairly for what they do. If you're going to work nurses to death, place their lives & licenses at risk because of dangerous situations like understaffing & expect them to do a good job, then they need to paid accordingly. Nurses where I live (Long Island) should be paid well over $100K because of the cost of living, but they're not. Every time contract negotiations come up at area hospitals, nurses end up threatening that they're going to go on strike before a halfway decent contract is ratified---AND IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY. Contracts get settled at the 11th hour, when hospital administration realizes that the nurses aren't going to accept a 1% raise over 3 years & have to pay for their entire health care insurance premiums. Meanwhile, hospital administration is making money hand over fist even though the hospitals are losing money. I'm not sure if I had to do it all over again that I would be a nurse---owning my own hair salon sounds like a much better option.........

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No name in Marcus Hook, Pennsylvania

20 months ago

If you truly want to pursue nursing:

Even if you already have a degree--get 2 yr. Associate's at community college, then go for BSN credits. It's STILL infinitely cheaper. No offense to anyone...but WHY would you attend Duke or U. Penn for a BSN at the cost of $65K/year? Why??? Aren't nurses supposed to have "critical thinking skills"? REALLY? I guess attending "prestigious" schools makes it easier for research, or an advanced degree, but 95% of the posts of people from such institutions here seem to be UNEMPLOYED. Period. And now in serious debt.

Huh?

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Teddy F in Dallas, Texas

20 months ago

Julie in Marysville, Washington said: Boy DenimBlue I think you are 'spot on' and I agree with almost everything you have written here (I have not worked as an RN yet, but I know the system very well as I have worked in Hospitals with RN's and MD's for years). What I want to say now is: I HATE THE "JOHNSON & JOHNSON - CAMPAIGN FOR NURSING" COMMERCIAL!!!! I used to watch it and cry in happiness, thinking that someday I would be that nurse! Now I cry with sadness when I see one of the commercials because I can't be a nurse.... no one will give me a chance.... the one thing I have worked for all my life and longed for is NOW impossible since I have graduated! I can only pray it gets better![/QUOTE

I find this difficult to believe. I have been in healthcare for over 20 years and there are always nursing jobs available. Try hospice, home health, hospitals, school nursing......Perhaps there are not the exact jobs you want - but there are nursing jobs.

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No name in Marcus Hook, Pennsylvania

20 months ago

Can somebody--ANYONE--explain to me how it's remotely acceptable--not just according to labor laws, but common sense, that an RN responsible for all aspects of patient care--is expected/"allowed" to work a 24-hr. shift? WHAT? HUH? WTF???? Even as a CNA I only worked max. 12 hours...that was insane enough. What is happening here? We nurses are no better than "warm bodies"? Excuse me. I didn't bust my a$$ thru A & P, Chemistry, Microbiology, Statistics, and the grueling nursing courses plus clinicals for this BS. By the way--I already had another degree and successful "career". Now I feel like a glorified air-line stewardess (no offense to them).

SAD.

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Experience doesn't matter in Redmond, Oregon

20 months ago

No name in Marcus Hook, Pennsylvania said: Can somebody--ANYONE--explain to me how it's remotely acceptable--not just according to labor laws, but common sense, that an RN responsible for all aspects of patient care--is expected/"allowed" to work a 24-hr. shift? WHAT? HUH? WTF???? Even as a CNA I only worked max. 12 hours...that was insane enough. What is happening here? We nurses are no better than "warm bodies"? Excuse me. I didn't bust my a$$ thru A & P, Chemistry, Microbiology, Statistics, and the grueling nursing courses plus clinicals for this BS. By the way--I already had another degree and successful "career". Now I feel like a glorified air-line stewardess (no offense to them).

SAD.


As an RN someone has to come to work, and take over the shift. You can't just throw the keys on the counter and walk away.

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Holly in Dayton, Ohio

20 months ago

Update: I ended up getting a job as a new grad in an ICU. I'm very blessed and ready to take on the next challenge in my life. From what I can tell, it's going to be really tough and a real adjustment. From having jobs that have required little to no thinking to now having to critically think, is going to be something I have to make myself look forward to everyday. I'm ready to excel.

I think that this whole thread has become nothing more than people bashing the nursing profession. While it is tough and very demanding, it's not making any of us look any better. There are a ton of problems with any profession. Nursing isn't a bed of roses, but just complaining and taking out your frustrations in a thread isn't the right avenue to breach the injustices.

I think if we were to write our congressman/woman and the nursing committees with solid ideas that real change can begin.

One of the problems with people venting about all the negatives is that new nurses come to this, read it, and become infected with all the bad things---some of which may not even have ever happened to them. So they already have a horrible attitude and may not possess humility.

Things I'm looking forward to as a new grad are caring for this Central Lines, A-lines, IV Pumps, Burn patients, Electrolyte replacement, Lab draws, Dressing changes and using my assertive skills to propel me through my career. I'm a firm believer in sometimes bad things happen to good people and the one thing that we all have is the ability to choose how we react to it. We can choose to sit and complain or we can choose to change our situation and do something about it.

Nursing is hard and not for everyone. With that said, do something that makes you happy in life.

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Diane in Riverhead, New York

20 months ago

No name in Marcus Hook, Pennsylvania said: Can somebody--ANYONE--explain to me how it's remotely acceptable--not just according to labor laws, but common sense, that an RN responsible for all aspects of patient care--is expected/"allowed" to work a 24-hr. shift? WHAT? HUH? WTF???? Even as a CNA I only worked max. 12 hours...that was insane enough. What is happening here? We nurses are no better than "warm bodies"? Excuse me. I didn't bust my a$$ thru A & P, Chemistry, Microbiology, Statistics, and the grueling nursing courses plus clinicals for this BS. By the way--I already had another degree and successful "career". Now I feel like a glorified air-line stewardess (no offense to them).

SAD.

Anyone can work 24 hours in a row if they agree to do it. That means they would work less than 2 days a week. I know nearly all firemen do it, CRNA's in trauma centers that do it. As far as "regular" nurses, I'm not sure but I think if they work a "normal" 40 hour week, whether 8, 10 or 12 hour shifts, they can only work 16 consecutive hours since union contracts and/or other nursing contracts state 16 hours is the maximum (or else places would have nurses working 24/7).

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BlueEyedNurse in New York, New York

20 months ago

Holly in Dayton, Ohio said: Update: I ended up getting a job as a new grad in an ICU. I'm very blessed and ready to take on the next challenge in my life. From what I can tell, it's going to be really tough and a real adjustment. From having jobs that have required little to no thinking to now having to critically think, is going to be something I have to make myself look forward to everyday. I'm ready to excel.

I think that this whole thread has become nothing more than people bashing the nursing profession. While it is tough and very demanding, it's not making any of us look any better. There are a ton of problems with any profession. Nursing isn't a bed of roses, but just complaining and taking out your frustrations in a thread isn't the right avenue to breach the injustices.

I think if we were to write our congressman/woman and the nursing committees with solid ideas that real change can begin.

One of the problems with people venting about all the negatives is that new nurses come to this, read it, and become infected with all the bad things---some of which may not even have ever happened to them. So they already have a horrible attitude and may not possess humility.

Things I'm looking forward to as a new grad are caring for this Central Lines, A-lines, IV Pumps, Burn patients, Electrolyte replacement, Lab draws, Dressing changes and using my assertive skills to propel me through my career. I'm a firm believer in sometimes bad things happen to good people and the one thing that we all have is the ability to choose how we react to it. We can choose to sit and complain or we can choose to change our situation and do something about it.

Nursing is hard and not for everyone. With that said, do something that makes you happy in life.

Congratulations on your new job! I'm sure you're going to learn a lot as a new grad in the ICU. Please come back after a year or two so & let us all know if you still like your job.

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Misswifie in Brooklyn, New York

20 months ago

BlueEyedNurse in New York, New York said: Congratulations on your new job! I'm sure you're going to learn a lot as a new grad in the ICU. Please come back after a year or two so & let us all know if you still like your job.

how is the job market for new nurses in nyc? or lpn. I'm "thinking" about becoming a nurse or just studying computer science.

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Movingforward43 in Hilliard, Ohio

19 months ago

I have been an LPN for 14 years and I am miserable. Nursing used to be fun now it is long hours on your feet and low pay. I finally made the decision to get out of nursing while I can. I have the utmost respect for other nurses, but this profession is not for me. I am taking all of my college credits and I am going into Radiography. I do plan on working every other weekend doing nurse visits. It is a good job and the company I work for pays well. I work for my sister and she is a RN who immediately after she graduated opened up her own Homehealth company. She said she couldn't see herself working on her feet for 8, 10, or 12 hours. It is about the pay; STNAs or CNAs should make $15/hr, LPNs $30/hr and RNs $50/hr. If they would pay people for this excruciating work then maybe things would be better Nursing also become too political. What ever happened to hiring good nurse just because they are good and not because they know someone in that particular company.I am not going to waste my money on a BSN when be a nurse just plain STINKS.

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Jeremy in Bluffton, Indiana

19 months ago

I hate to be the bearer of bad new, but I don't regret becoming a nurse one little bit. Yes, there are going to be hard times as a nurse. Maybe someone calls in and you must cover their shift. Maybe you are under staffed. Nursing is a lifestyle. It is a choice. If you want to quit, then go do something else. Tired of seeing sick overweight people all day and night? Go look and the mirror. Start exercising. Be a leader. Eat healthy. What? Healthcare is expensive. It takes an entire team to take care of the sick and elderly. Guess what. One day you may be the one looking up at the nurse, and chances are in our obese society that you won't even be very old. If you can't hack it then go find something else to do.

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Christine in Canton, Ohio

19 months ago

Thinking of becoming a LPN. What exactly are their duties now? A friend told me LPN's don't deal with vomit, enemas, washing patients. He said the CNAs and STNAs do that work. Is this true? Is anyone even hiring LPNs straight out of school?

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BlueEyedNurse in New York, New York

19 months ago

Jeremy in Bluffton, Indiana said: I hate to be the bearer of bad new, but I don't regret becoming a nurse one little bit. Yes, there are going to be hard times as a nurse. Maybe someone calls in and you must cover their shift. Maybe you are under staffed. Nursing is a lifestyle. It is a choice. If you want to quit, then go do something else. Tired of seeing sick overweight people all day and night? Go look and the mirror. Start exercising. Be a leader. Eat healthy. What? Healthcare is expensive. It takes an entire team to take care of the sick and elderly. Guess what. One day you may be the one looking up at the nurse, and chances are in our obese society that you won't even be very old. If you can't hack it then go find something else to do.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say "Tired of seeing sick overweight people all day & night? Go look in the mirror." I'd have to say that the majority of people I see aren't overweight, & I don't think you'd see obese patients all the time unless you worked in a bariatric unit. You're right about an obese society, though---just take a look around when you're in the grocery store or at the movies or a restaurant. It's horrifying. Obesity is a big problem in this country because of the lifestyle & processed foods. I am 5'6", 115 pounds, run 5 miles a day, 5 days a week, and I pretty much eat whatever I want. For a long time (and I've been a nurse 25+ years), I used to see slow-moving, overweight nurses that smoked like fiends. They were sluggish, unhappy, complained constantly about how tired they were. I don't see that much anymore. I think environmental factors play a big role in the diseases today---there has never been as much cancer, heart disease & diabetes as there is today. Pesticides, GMO, high fructose corn syrup---food is loaded with this stuff & there's no avoiding it 100%, even if you eat organic.

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BlueEyedNurse in New York, New York

19 months ago

Christine in Canton, Ohio said: Thinking of becoming a LPN. What exactly are their duties now? A friend told me LPN's don't deal with vomit, enemas, washing patients. He said the CNAs and STNAs do that work. Is this true? Is anyone even hiring LPNs straight out of school?

Why are you thinking of becoming an LPN? What do you think the duties of an LPN are, & what do you want to do as an LPN? Most people become nurses because they want to help people, & the fact of the matter is that when people are sick, they puke, have diarrhea & all kinds of other untoward bodily reactions. It is everybody's "duty" to take care of the patients, no matter what that entails. A nurse deals with sick people, elderly people, all kinds of people. Some of those people need to be washed because they can't do it themselves. If they're constipated, they need an enema. The human body is an amazing thing, but it does all kinds of less-than-wonderful things. The intestines get gas in them from the digestion of foods. The lungs get phlegm in them & people cough that phlegm up in order to clean them. There are urinary catheters, incontinence, NG tubes draining stomach contents. If you walk into a patient's room & see that they have soiled the bed because they are incontinent, you clean them up because you don't want them to lay in their own excrement---you don't walk out & wait for the next person to do it because "it's not your job." Everybody works as a team & duties often overlap. If you want to be an LPN & think you're going to keep your hands clean & not mess up your beautifully manicured acrylic nails, then maybe you should find another profession to go into.

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Christine in Canton, Ohio

19 months ago

BlueEyedNurse in New York, New York said: Why are you thinking of becoming an LPN? What do you think the duties of an LPN are, & what do you want to do as an LPN? Most people become nurses because they want to help people, & the fact of the matter is that when people are sick, they puke, have diarrhea & all kinds of other untoward bodily reactions. It is everybody's "duty" to take care of the patients, no matter what that entails. A nurse deals with sick people, elderly people, all kinds of people. Some of those people need to be washed because they can't do it themselves. If they're constipated, they need an enema. The human body is an amazing thing, but it does all kinds of less-than-wonderful things. The intestines get gas in them from the digestion of foods. The lungs get phlegm in them & people cough that phlegm up in order to clean them. There are urinary catheters, incontinence, NG tubes draining stomach contents. If you walk into a patient's room & see that they have soiled the bed because they are incontinent, you clean them up because you don't want them to lay in their own excrement---you don't walk out & wait for the next person to do it because "it's not your job." Everybody works as a team & duties often overlap. If you want to be an LPN & think you're going to keep your hands clean & not mess up your beautifully manicured acrylic nails, then maybe you should find another profession to go into.[/QUOT

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your time. I don't have acrylic nails I have my own natural nails, no nail polish even! I have children I've dealt with all the above. Trust me I know intestines get gas in them,,,my kids think that is so funny to expel!

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BlueEyedNurse in New York, New York

19 months ago

Christine in Canton, Ohio said:

Yep----kids think it's hilarious. In fact. most people do. Our bodies do some gross things. But when you learn about what all those gross things really are, you realize that the human body is one very amazing thing. The resiliency of the human body never ceases to amaze me. I don't have acrylic nails or nail polish either---when I see a woman with those long acrylic nails, all I can think of is BACTERIA!!! FUNGUS!!! They are vectors for disease. If you have kids, then you know exactly what you're in for as a nurse, LOL. Don't be an LPN though---very limited job prospects.

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Christine in Canton, Ohio

19 months ago

BlueEyedNurse in New York, New York said: Yep----kids think it's hilarious. In fact. most people do. Our bodies do some gross things. But when you learn about what all those gross things really are, you realize that the human body is one very amazing thing. The resiliency of the human body never ceases to amaze me. I don't have acrylic nails or nail polish either---when I see a woman with those long acrylic nails, all I can think of is BACTERIA!!! FUNGUS!!! They are vectors for disease. If you have kids, then you know exactly what you're in for as a nurse, LOL. Don't be an LPN though---very limited job prospects.

As far as LPN goes,,,I am trying to do this as inexpensively as possible so I am going to do LPN at the local public school for adult education, then go to community college to do LPN ~ RN. Community college has a 3 yr wait to get into their ADN program.

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