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Stephan in Downingtown, Pennsylvania

88 months ago

Whait a second here, do not put the bull in front of the wagon,... You could have all of the degree you want a PM is by definition a person that has a CREDIBILITY in a specific field of activity. A degree won't get you a job just because you did 6-7 yeras of Grad school. But rather experience and much more interaction with your peers will lead you to Manage Projects.

My two cent...

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PM hopeful in Seattle, Washington

57 months ago

Is there any way to earn the PMP credential without PM experience?

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Relocating to GA in Lansing, Michigan

57 months ago

General Question if anyone in this forum can assist:

I have been laid off because my last employer had cash flow problems / technical product cert issues (failed to get UL certs for a new start-up company that I had joined from being a management consultant for over 8 yrs) and looking for work in Michigan for nearly a year.

I am thinking of relocating to GA and thinking of getting a PMI-PMP certification to stand out from the crowd. I have a MBA and certifications from GBCI-LEED, BPI-Building Analyst, and AEE (BEP)for primarily energy efficiency and building performance. Had Federal security clearance and worked for a government outsourcing contractor in the past as well. Will the PMI-PMP help in the job market in metro-Atlanta region? And if so, which companies are hiring?

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Migrant worker in the Data fields in Windsor, Connecticut

55 months ago

Straight Talk from Ft. Worth INDEED. PMP is a baseline knit into your existing developer,manager,architect,engineer fabric. I so love optical & high end gear after 30 years of IT plumbing....yet every day I'm a new student working out.

Hey, new guy...fly to India and join a local TCS team or Anglo site. Open up some cross cultural skills, prove in @ an IT Helpdesk and pick up a few Unix/Network certs. Run the project $$ book and get IT done under budget because you filled the change control process....only then get a PMP. I'm sick of interviewing metrosexual queens who can hail a cab,look fab and fail miserably.

Be real, pay up and you will have your day....still looking join Special Ops,get shot at and every day after is real easy....

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otti59 in Clerwater, Florida

52 months ago

Gertrude in Tarpon Springs, Florida said: I am in the process of switching fields and its just not working. Even with a BBA in HR, a master in project management, my PMP and 10 years of experience in customer service and military, I still can't get a job. I'm doing something seriously wrong, I'm in the wrong place (Tampa Bay area), or I need construction or IT experience. One or all. Any advice would be appreciated, even a head hunter.

First and foremost they are correct without IT experince you can forget it, second your PMP is basically a joke no pun intended. That certification is just a piece of paper from a governing body who lets companies generate a number profile to account for points to verify their "own" people to be qualified to take a "test: which cost around $175 to get a piece of paper. Its BS, without proper field experience you won't make it. I used to require my engineers to be in field for me for at least 2 years doing "super's" work to get the field training needed to understand the functions of their scope of work. People with this "certificate" pmp or CCM from the CMMAA I would pretty much throw in the trash.

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LongTimePM and IT manager in Saint Louis, Missouri

50 months ago

Here are some things you need to know about PMP before you go and sign up for the classes, the boot camps.
It’s a very expensive certification.
It use to be a requirement that you had to have 4500 hours of PM experience if you had a college degree, (any kind of a degree) or 7500 hours if you didn’t have a degree, and an IT 2 year associate degree doesn’t count. This is discriminatory in and of it’s self. There’s no way a person with a general college degree will ever be able to compete with a 2 year concentrated IT associate degree.

The person that said you need a godfather is totally correct.
I have been in companies where they have promoted persons (their friends) to Manager of the Project managers, Director of Project management etc. with no IT background what so ever. So to make them look legitimate they would send them to the PMP classes. Then the mangers or directors who promoted them would simply lie about them having the required hours of background, and if PMP came back to check they would simply lie again.

So now PMP requires you to have 35 hours of classes. (Along with the hours)

Those classes cost $3500.
Also the study guides are about 1500 to 2500 dollars.
Currently here in Nashville the test boot camp costs 1499 dollars
If you’re not a member of PMI then the cost is something over 500 dollars.
And there are some other costs as well.

Also if an IT manager or Personnel manager refers you to the class they get a referral commission and I’ve seen this happen several times and anyone can get that referral commission.

Also when recruiting firms ask for PMP certification for a job and you don’t have it they will say we can set you up for those classes (at your cost) they’re just trying to make some additional money. That is happening here in Nashville quite a bit and those recruiting firms are affiliated with PMI here in town. They recruit for other positions as well but they make money with PMP.

So this has turned into not

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LongTimePM and IT manager in Saint Louis, Missouri

50 months ago

So this has turned into nothing more then a money making scheme.

Also after you are certified you now have to pay them some amount each year to keep your certification and you arte required to take additional classes to get what they call PDUs and you have to have so many of those as well. Another way to generate more money on going.

I’ve been managing projects for 32 years and have never met anyone who did the required hours of experience before taking the test

I disagree with the person that said you don’t need an IT background to be an IT project manager. Without a background in IT you will not know how to talk to persons in their respective areas or the correct questions to ask and understand the answers that they give you. You also need to know how things work together so you don’t go down the wrong path and get yourself and the in trouble.

On half a dozen occasions in the past 4 years I've been asked to help the PMP certified Project Managers to get their project back on track or to get it back on schedule because they didn't know what they were doing in the real world. None of those persons had any background in IT or project management. Yet they took the test and now there project managers.

I’ve seen numbers that show that PMP managed projects have a failure rate of something over 60%. They don’t meet costs, timelines requirements or quality standards. Much higher then the norm. Probably because the persons don’t have the experience required to do the job.

Also PMP is playing catch up to other methodologies like SOX and Six Sigma and others and have changed several things to reflect the same functionally as the others. They just changed there names of the phases etc. I just bought the PMBOK V4 for reference and the changes they’ve made reflect the other methodologies more closely now then before.

I’ve taken classes for all of the above and several others dating back to 1977 and the fundamentals haven’t changed.

Whenever a ce

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LongTimePM and IT manager in Saint Louis, Missouri

50 months ago

Whenever a certification starts having you pay them an annual fee or requires you to take additional classes and pay them additional moneys then that certification is nothing more then a way to make money and is on its way down. Examples Novell, PowerBuilder, Microsoft etc. etc. etc..

Companies are starting to catch on and because of the above they are looking at PMP certification with skepticism.

I have been A CIO, Vice President, and director for 15 years and if I saw that someone said they were PMP certified because of the above and having been through it I would look for the persons with the experience.

If you already are an experienced project manager who are these persons to tell you that now you have to take there test and pay them several thousand dollars to prove that you can do what you’ve been doing for the past X number of years. They just want your money.
If you do spend the money and the time to get the certification there’s no guarantee that you will get a job.

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Aj in Saint Albert, Alberta

48 months ago

I m totally lost in my career. A Bs in industrial engineering and a Ms in proj mgt. 8 yrs experiemce in construction as scheduler and PM and recenty got PMP. I dont have a deep kniwledge in any area but a perfect view about many sectors and industries. I dont know where i belong.

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Sam in Saratoga Springs, New York

48 months ago

Guys, please join Project Management community www.facebook.com/TheProjectManagement

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Sam in Saratoga Springs, New York

48 months ago

Aj in Saint Albert, Alberta said: I m totally lost in my career. A Bs in industrial engineering and a Ms in proj mgt. 8 yrs experiemce in construction as scheduler and PM and recenty got PMP. I dont have a deep kniwledge in any area but a perfect view about many sectors and industries. I dont know where i belong.

Aj, Every experience counts and knowledge never goes waste.
PLOT ALL YOUR OPTIONS ON PAPER, ANALYSE AND DECIDE!

Please join the free project management community/resource at
www.facebook.com/TheProjectManagement

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JReb in Denver, Colorado

36 months ago

Not sure what all the fuss is about - in my experience, a PMP certification is about the most worthless credential ever. The PMs think they're the equivalent of a PhD in just about everything, nobody else attaches much value at all.

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leader2000 in Mississauga, Ontario

13 days ago

LongTimePM and IT manager in Saint Louis, Missouri said: Whenever a certification starts having you pay them an annual fee or requires you to take additional classes and pay them additional moneys then that certification is nothing more then a way to make money and is on its way down. Examples Novell, PowerBuilder, Microsoft etc. etc. etc..

Companies are starting to catch on and because of the above they are looking at PMP certification with skepticism.

I have been A CIO , Vice President, and director for 15 years and if I saw that someone said they were PMP certified because of the above and having been through it I would look for the persons with the experience.

If you already are an experienced project manager who are these persons to tell you that now you have to take there test and pay them several thousand dollars to prove that you can do what you’ve been doing for the past X number of years. They just want your money.
If you do spend the money and the time to get the certification there’s no guarantee that you will get a job.

Thank you sir for the insight. It sure helps!

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