Automotive Technicians for fair pay

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frustratedtech in Bensalem, Pennsylvania

43 months ago

I am a automotive repair technician. I have worked in the industry for 12 years. I have not gone to technical schools but have received factory training, apprenticed, and self taught through reading and web-based training. I am very good at what I do but am increasingly dissatisfied at the constant drop in flat rate labor times and the decreasingly poor pay employers wish to pay us. More and more I see dealerships and aftermarket shops alike use Mitchell and All-Data to figure out service labor times. I am currently working for a chain repair shop and it is the second of its kind in my last year of working that I have looked to and I have worked at 2 different dealerships in the last year. I have noticed that the times that these companies want to use out of Mitchell and All-Data Do not seem to incorporate many of the variable factors to decide labor times such as hand tools, shop lay-outs, technician knowledge, parts time, test drive, or tool cost. Instead it seems as all they do is find the lowest time and not the average labor time, and use all of the top time-saving tools that cost us as technicians 10's of thousands of dollars. I am looking for support from my co-workers and piers. We need to join together and push towards a fair labor standard and pay system. I feel we should be licensed to work in this field and if we were we could better demand a fair pay for our investment. If you are interested in trying to develop a requirement for licensing to work in this field to achieve a better standard in our field both in quality and in compensation, then we need to act and require licensing to work in any repair facility in the U.S.

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Brad Francis

39 months ago

As a member of one of the greatest labor unions on the planet, and as a relative of an Auto Techinician who is currently being low balled by greedy shop owners I encourage all Auto Technicins to Unite, Build Power and win Justice for all who apply their craft. As we approach the 75th anniversary of the sit down strike of 1937, now more than ever does the middle class laborwer need protection from Corporate greed. Fair Labor Laws need to vbe in place to protect hard working Auto Techinicians from being gouged by their bosses who then pocket huge profits at the Tech's expense. There are loopholes in the flat rate system that need to be closed by the Dept. of Labor and by all Auto Techs organizing into onr bargaining unit. Unite, Build Power, Win Justice!!

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Reggie in Tacoma, Washington

36 months ago

Brad Francis said: As a member of one of the greatest labor unions on the planet, and as a relative of an Auto Techinician who is currently being low balled by greedy shop owners I encourage all Auto Technicins to Unite, Build Power and win Justice for all who apply their craft. As we approach the 75th anniversary of the sit down strike of 1937, now more than ever does the middle class laborwer need protection from Corporate greed. Fair Labor Laws need to vbe in place to protect hard working Auto Techinicians from being gouged by their bosses who then pocket huge profits at the Tech's expense. There are loopholes in the flat rate system that need to be closed by the Dept. of Labor and by all Auto Techs organizing into onr bargaining unit. Unite, Build Power, Win Justice!!

What are the steps to take for those of us that what to help?

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Thomas in Rio Rancho, New Mexico

35 months ago

Yes automobiles are getting more difficult and the shops and dealerships are charging more per labor hour but the technicians rate of pay is not increasing with the vehicles we are repairing or inflation. Flat rate means the repair technician accepts and carries pretty much all of the liablity and the shops carry very little on none. Plumbers ,roofer , electricans ,hvac ....ect. none of which personaly pay for tools in dollar amounts the we do. Most tool boxes cost as much as a decent used car. Basically just a poor industry to work in. But choose your rate.....choose your fate....

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fred in Wendell, North Carolina

34 months ago

This is in responce to comment that was made by a few techs that i have seen on several different web sites. They bring up the cost of tools and toolboxes. I have been a ASE master tech for over 18 years, and i figured out a few things. 1) toolboxes hold your tools, they serve no other use. If you pay as much for your toolbox as you do for a decent used car, that is your choice! If you buy stuff like that off the tool trucks you are the sucker! I would never pay for the name snap-on or mac,etc. for a tool box. Now, i do have to buy some speciality tools off the trucks because there are no other companies that offer them, but for the basic hand tools, air tools, and others I would just as soon go to northern tool or habor freight or sears. So you have to go there rather than them come to you, but with the lifetime replacements these others offer, why not pay 5 to 10 dollars worth of gas/fuel to save hundreds on buying the names. So in closing, your tools and the type of tools you buy is your choice. Your employer nor the customers are forcing you to buy the name brands. So quit complaining about the cost of tools and buy smart!

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beatendowntech in Damascus, Maryland

13 months ago

I have been in this field since 1979 and I have seen wages and benefits disappear over the years the tools are more expensive the technology is more advanced then painters , carpenters bricklayers etc. The biggest problem is auto tech's are always too busy trashing each otherarather then sticking together. Now I see dealers hiring young Inexperienced bodies just to fill space nothing will ever change until technicians unite and decide to push back together for a decent wage with benefits maybe even grow some guts to form and support a UNION We Deserve better WHY Not ... THINK ABOUT IT="frustratedtech in Bensalem, Pennsylvania"]I am a automotive repair technician. I have worked in the industry for 12 years. I have not gone to technical schools but have received factory training, apprenticed, and self taught through reading and web-based training. I am very good at what I do but am increasingly dissatisfied at the constant drop in flat rate labor times and the decreasingly poor pay employers wish to pay us. More and more I see dealerships and aftermarket shops alike use Mitchell and All- Data to figure out service labor times. I am currently working for a chain repair shop and it is the second of its kind in my last year of working that I have looked to and I have worked at 2 different dealerships in the last year. I have noticed that the times that these companies want to use out of Mitchell and All-Data Do not seem to incorporate many of the variable factors to decide labor times such as hand tools, shop lay-outs, technician knowledge, parts time, test drive, or tool cost. Instead it seems as all they do is find the lowest time and not the average labor time, and use all of the top time-saving tools that cost us as technicians 10's of thousands of dollars. I am looking for support from my co-workers and piers. We need to join together and push towards a fair labor standard and pay system. I feel we should be licensed to work in this field and if we were we could

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beatendowntech in Damascus, Maryland

13 months ago

I HAVE SEEN WAGES GO DOWN AND BENEFITS THAT WERE NEVER GREAT GO AWAY , NO SICK LEAVE , ETC. MEANWHILE THE COST OF TOOLS & STORAGE HAS GONE WAY OUT OF CONTROL. SINCE 1979 I HAVE ALSO WATCHED AUTO TECHNOLOGY REACH A LEVEL EQUAL THAT OF THE FIRST SPACE SHUTTLE YET WE ARE STILL THOUGHT OF AS JUST GREASE MONKEY'S. DAMMIT ALL OTHER SKILLED TRADES ARE PAID BETTER
THEIR COST OF TOOLS HAS STAYED ABOUT THE SAME.
THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE IS THAT TECH'S ARE TOO BUSY TRASHING EACH OTHER, WE NEED TO LEARN TO STICK TOGETHER AND STAND TOGETHER TO UNITE , MAYBE EVEN TO BECOME A NATIONAL UNION I FEEL STRONGLY THAT IF WE STAND UNITED WE WILL ALL HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE... LET US GANG UP GET UP MOVE AHEAD !

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Amske in Roscoe, Illinois

13 months ago

fred in Wendell, North Carolina said: This is in responce to comment that was made by a few techs that i have seen on several different web sites. They bring up the cost of tools and toolboxes. I have been a ASE master tech for over 18 years, and i figured out a few things. 1) toolboxes hold your tools, they serve no other use. If you pay as much for your toolbox as you do for a decent used car, that is your choice! If you buy stuff like that off the tool trucks you are the sucker! I would never pay for the name snap-on or mac,etc. for a tool box. Now, i do have to buy some speciality tools off the trucks because there are no other companies that offer them, but for the basic hand tools, air tools, and others I would just as soon go to northern tool or habor freight or sears. So you have to go there rather than them come to you, but with the lifetime replacements these others offer, why not pay 5 to 10 dollars worth of gas/fuel to save hundreds on buying the names. So in closing, your tools and the type of tools you buy is your choice. Your employer nor the customers are forcing you to buy the name brands. So quit complaining about the cost of tools and buy smart!
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I disagree with part of this comment. In regards to the tool box yes you could get one that holds your tools very well and not pay thousands of dollars for. In regards to tools yes you are at times forced to pAy hundreds of dollars for specialty tools that can only be purchased at the higher end truck shops. Also if I use a tool on a regular bases I have to spend the top dollar,if I'm constantly replacing it because I am spending 5/10.00 on it verses 100.00 that would make no sense. I have been in the business for more then 18 years. Have gone to school, online and offline training and feel this is the only business that does not compensate you accordingly. You are constantly in a tug of war.

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jannymancars@yahoo.com in Providence, Utah

8 months ago

is ok by me ,

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michael sciarra in Wilmington, Massachusetts

2 months ago

after reading most comments from some technicians and been a shop owner for over 28 years, I have to say I agree with most comments, staring with salary, pay, flat rate, and shop hourly rate and the industry getting harder every year, and more and more tools need it every year, classes to take to be on top of the game, one thing that no one can learn is cumming sense, the other common observation is that some technicians can't produce hours, some have limited knowledge and they will not ask to be taken away from that job some how they will try to fix it, or quit trying, some technicians or mechanic and do not get offended if I call some of them parts changers, just throw parts at the car testing to see what fixes the problem, some read the code and go to the computer to see what people had done on Identifix, waste 2 or 3 hours of the valuable time. can't charge the customer for this work, tool box do not make technicians, they just make hand tool storage, scanners don't fix cars, they read data, shutting off the light is not repairing the problem, of cause the are needed in the business and they should be compensated when used in proper use of the tools, today most shops want to do is brakes, tires, alignment and batteries and the others the technicians that do cylinder heads, engine performance or drive-ability problem, electrical diagnostics, transmission or differential work, charge the same rate, sorry, I double the hours on any of this jobs, as I paid double labor, impossible to have a tech for $30 or $34. per hour work for only $90.00 per hour and the guy that is doing brakes next door gets paid $12.00 per hour and also charge $90.00 per hour, what is wrong with this picture, I tell you whats wrong, labor guides.
service and maintenance should be $95.00 plus, repair specialist, $140.00 per hour or more, depending on the job, including Evap system diagnostic should be over the regular rate, any work that has or includes repairs with a scanners or technical .

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