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aaron in Alhambra, California

57 months ago

Hi, I have ASCP MT certification in chemistry few months ago and currently applying for CLS limited CA license. I just received a letter from them saying only one thing that my pass 8 years experience in a clinical lab is not acceptable since it's not a state approve training program. I was like WHAT. The lab that i used to work is a big lab with CLIA license to perform high complexity testing on real patients; and I passed the ASCP exam, why not? Can anyone answer/help me.

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CLS48 in California

57 months ago

Yea CA is pretty strict on their policies for licensure. All you can do is call them and ask why. Your limited certification in just chemistry may make it harder to qualify your experience for the license.

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aaron in Alhambra, California

57 months ago

CLS48 in California said: Yea CA is pretty strict on their policies for licensure. All you can do is call them and ask why. Your limited certification in just chemistry may make it harder to qualify your experience for the license.

I called them, they said the Lab that i worked is not a State approve training program which i think it's extremely strict and nonsense only in CA. They adviced me to apply for a trainee license and have one year training from State approve training program places.

Does that mean all the CLS applicants now have to go through this "State limited work/training" stage before they are eligable for their work/training standard?

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CLS48 in California

57 months ago

They probably want you to enter into a training program at an approved lab. I am not sure any lab has a training program for just chemistry. I know that Quest has a 1 year approved program from micro and molecular biology and you'd be allowed to get the state license in those.

What you can do is try to get the trainee's license and then look at any state approved programs just in chemistry. Ask the state for a list of what labs are approved for just chemistry.

If not, your best bet would be to enter into a generalist CLS program if you really want to be a CLS.

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info in San Jose, California

57 months ago

USF.edu does training for chemistry and other specific areas.

search their website, its a hospital/university in san francisco though..

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aaron in Alhambra, California

57 months ago

I have been replied that there are ONLY 3 approved for the chemist in California. 1)Quest Diagnostic at the South, 2)UCSF and 3)Berkely Hearlab in No. CA.
However, the one at South is still too far from L.A. where i live, like 80 miles away. I think the State should provide more approved training places for chemisty trainees and for other types of CLS trainees as well.
As you will see the list from www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/lfs/Pages/TrainingPrograms.aspx

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aaron in Alhambra, California

57 months ago

If anyone knows any places in South Cal area are hiring medical technologist with ASCP certification without requiring license, or other resources, please let me know.

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CLS48 in California

57 months ago

There are none. If there is, you will probably be a technician getting that pay, and not CLS pay. You cannot release results if you don't have a license.

You're only chance is working at a veterans hospital because they are run by the government, so don't require a state license. However, their pay is generally lower and they usually want a full no limit ASCP certification.

Your best bet is to do a full CLS program.

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aaron in Alhambra, California

57 months ago

Oh god! Since my BS degree here is chemistry, not a MT degree, how would I be eligible to enter a full CLS program then?

That's why i wanted to go for CLS in chemistry for higher pay.
So, any better suggestions? Or i should attend to those approve training lab for a year in order to successfully obtain limit CLS
license?

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CLS48 in California

57 months ago

Attend the one in Quest in San Juan Capistrano. That is the closest one to you. Otherwise, apply to loma linda which is a two year general CLS program and you will get a BS in CLS but half their students already have bachelor degrees.

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Tymminator in Minneapolis, Minnesota

57 months ago

aaron in Alhambra, California said: Oh god! Since my BS degree here is chemistry, not a MT degree, how would I be eligible to enter a full CLS program then?

That's why i wanted to go for CLS in chemistry for higher pay.
So, any better suggestions? Or i should attend to those approve training lab for a year in order to successfully obtain limit CLS
license?

Ever think of possibly leaving CA and checking some other states?

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aaron in Alhambra, California

57 months ago

Tymminator in Minneapolis, Minnesota said: Ever think of possibly leaving CA and checking some other states?

I thought of Nevada State. I know that they accept ASCP, but Not sure if they're like CA not approving my previous working experience in a private clinical lab for 8 years.

Thankyou for your suggestion!

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CLS48 in California

57 months ago

Yea that's a good suggestion. In other states, you don't need a license to work. Just say you're ASCP and you can work in chemistry. However, your pay may not be as high as in CA.

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jovojr in Ewa Beach, Hawaii

51 months ago

I passed my ASCP MT exam in 2006 and I'm in the process of trying to get my CA CLS license. I can't get a hold of anyone in the LFS place to even check on the status of my application so I'm surprised you even got a hold of someone. How did you get a hold of someone? It's interesting that you don't need a CA license to work in the VA hospitals there. I may have to look in to that.

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yihaa in San Jose, California

51 months ago

hi GUYS! i Passed ASCPi certification exam last December 2009, and currently Im searching for any job in the laboratory while waiting for my license. I dont have any experience yet so no one tries to call me back for job?pls help. I really want to work now in lab to familiarize myself that way when i got my license. its nt a big adjustment for me...God bless..

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Jzig in Salem, Oregon

51 months ago

Wow this is confusing. Has anyone gone through OIT's program in Oregon recently and been able to get licensed in CA?
I thought I could go through OIT's program, do a year of clinical in Oregon, and then apply for a CA license. Now it seems like even if I did all that, the year of clinical would have to be in California labs associated with a CLS program?

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CLS48 in California

51 months ago

Jzig in Salem, Oregon said: Wow this is confusing. Has anyone gone through OIT's program in Oregon recently and been able to get licensed in CA?
I thought I could go through OIT's program, do a year of clinical in Oregon, and then apply for a CA license. Now it seems like even if I did all that, the year of clinical would have to be in California labs associated with a CLS program?

No, since your clinical is 1 year, you should be ok. If you call and ask them, you can confirm it. You don't have to do your internship in a CA lab to get a CA CLS license. However, I would definitely call to ask because it would suck to go through a whole program just to find out your program wasn't accepted if your whole goal is to come to CA.

A lot of filipino med techs do their med tech in the Philippines and get their CA CLS license.

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LW in Pasadena, California

51 months ago

I’m currently trying to get a certification for medical technologist. I have a degree in B.s Biology major in Human Biology. International Education Research Foundation (IERF) already evaluated my transcript of record because I earned my degree outside United States. I've been told by the registrar of AMT MT/MLT that since my transcript is already evaluated, I still need one year of work/lab experience, performing clinical bench work as a generalist technologist, to be able to sit for the MT exam.

Where can I find a list of Hospitals/ Laboratories that can give me training for a year???

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CLS trainee in Hanford, California

46 months ago

LW in Pasadena, California said: I’m currently trying to get a certification for medical technologist. I have a degree in B.s Biology major in Human Biology. International Education Research Foundation (IERF) already evaluated my transcript of record because I earned my degree outside United States. I've been told by the registrar of AMT MT/MLT that since my transcript is already evaluated, I still need one year of work/lab experience, performing clinical bench work as a generalist technologist, to be able to sit for the MT exam.

Where can I find a list of Hospitals/ Laboratories that can give me training for a year???

I believe if you want to do your training and get licensed in California, you have to complete a California Dept of Public Health approved program. www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/lfs/Pages/TrainingPrograms.aspx

I am finishing up a CLS training program at SJSU and looking to apply for the ASCP
exam, but I am little confused. My program director said we must apply by option 1, for state licensure only. But I want to apply by option 2, for licensure AND ASCP certification (my training program is NAACLS approved and I can't think of any reason I wouldn't want to get certification if I'm taking the exam anyway). Does anyone who's recently taken the exam in California remember which option they used when applying?

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CLS48 in California

46 months ago

There is no state license test anymore. To get the license, you just have to take the ASCP test. It's better that way. You can get the state license and become ASCP certified just by taking the ASCP test.

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Jake C in Chicago, Illinois

46 months ago

Do you get paid if you do the trainee program?

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CLS-HOPEFUL in California

46 months ago

Yes. Most programs provide a stipend monthly. It all depends on their yearly budget and the amount depends on your program's ability to provide it as well as your cost of living relative to where your program is. For ex, SFSU will provide larger stipends than CSUDH's hospital affiliates.

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CLS-HOPEFUL in California

46 months ago

CLS trainee in Hanford, California said: I believe if you want to do your training and get licensed in California, you have to complete a California Dept of Public Health approved program. www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/lfs/Pages/TrainingPrograms.aspx

I am finishing up a CLS training program at SJSU and looking to apply for the ASCP
exam, but I am little confused. My program director said we must apply by option 1, for state licensure only. But I want to apply by option 2, for licensure AND ASCP certification (my training program is NAACLS approved and I can't think of any reason I wouldn't want to get certification if I'm taking the exam anyway). Does anyone who's recently taken the exam in California remember which option they used when applying?


Congrats on finishing CLStrainee! Mind if I ask how your experience was? I will be starting mine in a few months, and I am excited with a touch of anxiety. lol

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CLS trainee in Hanford, California

46 months ago

CLS-HOPEFUL in California said: Congrats on finishing CLStrainee! Mind if I ask how your experience was? I will be starting mine in a few months, and I am excited with a touch of anxiety. lol

I had a lot of anxiety when I was starting training especially since I had never worked in a clinical lab, but I got used to it. I really enjoy rotating through the different departments and learning new procedures. I try to study for tests during the week but that can be hard to do so I pretty much rely on my weekends to get the bulk of my studying done. It can be stressful at times. The training program is challenging but it's definetely doable. You don't know need to worry. Besides, it may be a tough year, but it flies by pretty fast.

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CLS trainee in Hanford, California

46 months ago

I am finishing up a CLS training program at SJSU and looking to apply for the ASCP
exam, but I am little confused. My program director said we must apply by option 1, for state licensure only. But I want to apply by option 2, for licensure AND ASCP certification (my training program is NAACLS approved and I can't think of any reason I wouldn't want to get certification if I'm taking the exam anyway). Does anyone who's recently taken the exam in California remember which option they used when applying?

I called ASCP today and got an answer. My program director is telling me the wrong thing. If you complete a NAACLS approved training program and want ASCP certification plus state license, you need to apply by option 2. If didn't attend a NAACLS approved training program or you don't care about ASCP certification and just want the state license, then you should apply by option 1. The website is pretty clear, so I'm just going to follow that.

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CLS48 in California

46 months ago

CLS trainee in Hanford, California said: If didn't attend a NAACLS approved training program or you don't care about ASCP certification and just want the state license, then you should apply by option 1. The website is pretty clear, so I'm just going to follow that.

That is incorrect. You have to be ASCP or AAB certified to get a state license. You cannot get a state license anymore without taking one of these tests.

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

46 months ago

CLS-HOPEFUL in California said: Yes. Most programs provide a stipend monthly. It all depends on their yearly budget and the amount depends on your program's ability to provide it as well as your cost of living relative to where your program is. For ex, SFSU will provide larger stipends than CSUDH's hospital affiliates.

How much is the stipend? $20 an hour? $10 an hour?

This can matter a lot...if I can't support myself there, I can't train there.

Thanks
Jake

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CLS48 in California

46 months ago

Loma linda doesn't give a stipend for the training year. Instead you have to pay tuition. I heard the ones that give a stipend only give like $11 an hour, not that much.

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CLS-HOPEFUL in California

46 months ago

Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois said: How much is the stipend? $20 an hour? $10 an hour?

This can matter a lot...if I can't support myself there, I can't train there.

Thanks
Jake

LOL!!! Wow...umm....I will say this as painless as possible Mr. Jake. MOST programs will provide $500 a month here in So Cal. Give or take depending on what county you are in. Up north, I hear can go as much as $1000/month. Again cost of living. Break that 500 down per hour...about $3 and some change per hour. hehehe. lets just say I will be living very frugally and will rely on my savings for the next year! But it is better than nothing! :o) And not to mention the training I will be receiving is priceless!

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CLS-HOPEFUL in California

46 months ago

CLS trainee in Hanford, California said: I had a lot of anxiety when I was starting training especially since I had never worked in a clinical lab, but I got used to it. I really enjoy rotating through the different departments and learning new procedures. I try to study for tests during the week but that can be hard to do so I pretty much rely on my weekends to get the bulk of my studying done. It can be stressful at times. The training program is challenging but it's definetely doable. You don't know need to worry. Besides, it may be a tough year, but it flies by pretty fast.

Thanks CLSTrainee...Good Luck with your boards!!!

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CLS48 in California

46 months ago

The specialist CLS program at quest in san juan capistrano gives around $11 an hour.

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Jake C in Chicago, Illinois

46 months ago

Thanks folks again.

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CLS trainee in Hanford, California

46 months ago

CLS48 in California said: That is incorrect. You have to be ASCP or AAB certified to get a state license. You cannot get a state license anymore without taking one of these tests.

That's not right, at least in California. ASCP certication is NOT a requirement for state licensure. You don't have to be ASCP certified for ASCP to allow you to take their exam and LFS does not require ASCP certification for a state license. Yes, you have to take the ASCP exam. You just don't need to be ASCP certified. Take a look at the website:
www.ascp.org/FunctionalNavigation/certification/GetStateLicensure/MedicalTechnologistClinicalLaboratoryScientist.aspx

There are two different applications. You can apply for 1) state licensure only or 2) state licensure AND ascp certification. Some people go through training programs that are not NAACLS accredited but are approved by LFS. For those people, they would follow option 1, ASCP would adminsiter the exam, and they would get their CLS license from LFS (but they can't get ASCP certification).

If you went to a NAACLS accreditated training program and you want to be able to put "ASCP certified" on your resume, be sure to apply by option 2!

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CLS48 in California

46 months ago

By taking and passing the ASCP exam, you become ASCP certified. That was what I am saying. Even by option 1, you have to take the ASCP exam and should get ASCP certification if you pass it.

My point is, there is no longer a state exam in November, which was administered by the state and not by ASCP or AAB. Now you must take the ASCP exam or AAB exam to get a license. That site is a bit confusing. My question is, does ASCP offer an exam just for CA licensure and not to become ASCP certified? If they do, what would be the point in that when you could take probably the same test and get ASCP certification and the CA CLS license.

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CLS48 in California

46 months ago

Interesting. I read through the links and requirements of ASCP again. So option 1 would probably apply to the foreign MT applicants that cannot qualify for the ASCP certification but do qualify by the state of CA. I see.

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CLS trainee in Hanford, California

45 months ago

Jake C in Chicago, Illinois said: Do you get paid if you do the trainee program?

I get $8.50/hr for about 35-40 hours per week.

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gentle in Atlanta, Georgia

45 months ago

aaron in Alhambra, California said: Hi, I have ASCP MT certification in chemistry few months ago and currently applying for CLS limited CA license. I just received a letter from them saying only one thing that my pass 8 years experience in a clinical lab is not acceptable since it's not a state approve training program. I was like WHAT. The lab that i used to work is a big lab with CLIA license to perform high complexity testing on real patients; and I passed the ASCP exam, why not? Can anyone answer/help me.

hi!i am currently living here in the US and i haved passed the ascpi exam but i want to get the US ASCP?what will i do?i didn't have experience because i went to medical school.please let me know what are the things that i need to know so i can take the ASCP.thanks!

gentle

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helena in Pasadena, California

44 months ago

CLS trainee in Hanford, California said: I get $8.50/hr for about 35-40 hours per week.

how long did you waited to get your trainee license?

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gheniebib in Northridge, California

44 months ago

hi i just graduated Bs Medical Technology in the philippines and now residing in california. anyone could help me what is the first step to get license so i can practice my profession here. I have a lot of questions in mind like which certification do i need to apply, do i have to take ascp first or ca licensure exam? pls help me because i dont where to start.. tnx

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CLS trainee in Hanford, California

44 months ago

helena in Pasadena, California said: how long did you waited to get your trainee license?

I applied to LFS for the trainee license right after I sent out my school applications, so almost one year a head of time. I did not receive the trainee license until one week before I started training. (I was so stressed out!) I started emailing and calling LFS two or three months before school started, but I had a lot of problems with them. They told me I was missing transcipts but I think they are just unorganized and under staffed. I sent the transcripts again, then they told me it was too early for them to evaluate my application because other people were ahead of me. The worst part was that I had to force myself to be polite with these people when I really wanted to yell and scream at them. If you're really anxious, you can check the website to see if the license has been issued. You'll see it on the website first, about a week before you get it in the mail.
www.apps.cdph.ca.gov/lpw/SearchPage.aspx

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helena in Pasadena, California

44 months ago

Thanks for your advice and weblink. it's very helpful.

CLS trainee in Hanford, California said: I applied to LFS for the trainee license right after I sent out my school applications, so almost one year a head of time. I did not receive the trainee license until one week before I started training. (I was so stressed out!) I started emailing and calling LFS two or three months before school started, but I had a lot of problems with them. They told me I was missing transcipts but I think they are just unorganized and under staffed. I sent the transcripts again, then they told me it was too early for them to evaluate my application because other people were ahead of me. The worst part was that I had to force myself to be polite with these people when I really wanted to yell and scream at them. If you're really anxious, you can check the website to see if the license has been issued. You'll see it on the website first, about a week before you get it in the mail.
www.apps.cdph.ca.gov/lpw/SearchPage.aspx

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helena in Pasadena, California

43 months ago

hi, CLS trainee in Hanford. I had hard time with LFS also. did they notify you what missed in your application after an initial review? or they never contact you except you followed up with them?
Thanks

CLS trainee in Hanford, California said: I applied to LFS for the trainee license right after I sent out my school applications, so almost one year a head of time. I did not receive the trainee license until one week before I started training. (I was so stressed out!) I started emailing and calling LFS two or three months before school started, but I had a lot of problems with them. They told me I was missing transcipts but I think they are just unorganized and under staffed. I sent the transcripts again, then they told me it was too early for them to evaluate my application because other people were ahead of me. The worst part was that I had to force myself to be polite with these people when I really wanted to yell and scream at them. If you're really anxious, you can check the website to see if the license has been issued. You'll see it on the website first, about a week before you get it in the mail.
www.apps.cdph.ca.gov/lpw/SearchPage.aspx

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CLS trainee in Hanford, California

43 months ago

helena in Pasadena, California said: hi, CLS trainee in Hanford. I had hard time with LFS also. did they notify you what missed in your application after an initial review? or they never contact you except you followed up with them?
Thanks

Well, a couple of months before school started, I emailed them and they said my transcript from junior college was not acceptable because it was not mailed directly from the school (complete bull). There was nothing wrong with the transcript but I requested another one because there is no use trying to argue with them. So, to answer your question, I contacted them first.

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indecisive in Los Angeles, California

43 months ago

CLS-HOPEFUL in California said: LOL!!! Wow...umm....I will say this as painless as possible Mr. Jake. MOST programs will provide $500 a month here in So Cal. Give or take depending on what county you are in. Up north, I hear can go as much as $1000/month. Again cost of living. Break that 500 down per hour...about $3 and some change per hour. hehehe. lets just say I will be living very frugally and will rely on my savings for the next year! But it is better than nothing! :o) And not to mention the training I will be receiving is priceless!

Where are you doing the CLS program at? You have probably started training already, I just wanted to get an opinion on the experience and such. I have been looking at the limited few schools/medical centers in southern california for a full CLS program. I probably have to take a few prereqs and update some of my classes, I don't know if it's worth it.

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CLS48 in California

43 months ago

indecisive in Los Angeles, California said: Where are you doing the CLS program at? You have probably started training already, I just wanted to get an opinion on the experience and such. I have been looking at the limited few schools/medical centers in southern california for a full CLS program. I probably have to take a few prereqs and update some of my classes, I don't know if it's worth it.

UCI, Cal St. Dominguez Hills, and Loma Linda are your choices. Lab work is easy. In southern CA, the pay scale is $30 an hr to $45 an hr. That's basically what you need to know to make your decision.

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indecisive in Los Angeles, California

43 months ago

Those were actually the 3 schools I was looking into as well as Arrowhead Regional. I was also looking into the technician programs but they make almost less than half. Thank you for your input =)

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CLS48 in California

43 months ago

Don't be a technician because MLTs basically don't exist in CA. I'd recommend the UCI program if you have a BS degree already. If you don't, Cal St. Dominguez hills is good but it will take awhile to complete the program, maybe 3 or 4 years but it's cheap. However, the easiest program to get into is LLU and it's only 2 years, but it's expensive and you'll need loans.

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indecisive in Los Angeles, California

43 months ago

UCI and CSU Dominguez are the top for me right now. LLU is so expensive, i agree. I searched around CSU Dominguez Hills and they have the certification program if you have a Bachelor's already. I would need to refresh my courses in Biochemistry and take up Medical Microbio since i never took it. UCI seems hard to get into since I heard they only accept 6 students a year =(

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CLS48 in California

43 months ago

Well I had a BS and went to LLU. I didn't want to waste my time at Dominguez hills and nothing was guaranteed, and the LLU program was only 2 years and you're done. I basically had all the prereqs for LLU so I didn't have to worry much. I got 60K in loans but paid it off in about 3 years with the help of my per diem job.

LLU is a really good program and easy to get into. If you just want to get it done with and are tired of school, while at the same time don't mind paying off a loan, then I'd recommend it. However, if you do have a lot of time and care more about not paying for loans, CSU dominguez hills is a good program. The only thing is you could end up staying there 3 or 4 years just to finish the prereqs and the rotational phase itself. The reason is because it's hard to get into all those prereq classes because there's a lot of competition.

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indecisive in Los Angeles, California

43 months ago

Thanks for the personal experience input for LLU. The only thing that was holding me back on that program was the 2yrs and the cost but in the end, it does pay off. I requested info from LLU =). and I did consider the fact that prereq classes would take a while to complete due to availability and competition to get into those classes. that's a good point and thanks for bringing that up. I didn't realize it would take more than 2 years to complete the program at CSU Dominguez Hills. Was it easy for you to land a job once you completed the program?

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