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dislocated....again. in Radcliff, Kentucky

65 months ago

Starting over having been paid pretty well as in interior designer in the past. Mostly in the kitchen and bath industry. it was fun, a lot of people on the retail side, i dont hate people, i hate mean, rude, bossy, i know your job better than you people. just seems there are more of those than the other tpye, and i have almost no anger management skills. Anyhoo, even if the market didnt fall out of the building/remodeling thing, i want out anyway, cannot avoid catty evil bosses and co workers, snobby stuck up house wives, ugh. and, when youre working on long drawn out projects, it can really highlight the things you already dont like about someone. I cant decide exactly what i want to do, but i have narrowed it down:
medical information: transcribing, coding or billing
information technology: web development or computer programming
or business accounting.

if i didnt want a degree i would do anything in my power at all to avoid the public as a whole. Not having anger management skills as well as no patience would not work out well. I think that delivering things would be nice too. I dont really want a desk job, would like to get some exercise too while working, but not sure the two can be joined. i only have a month before classes start, so i guess i better get to praying, because none of these sound exciting, but im moving from exciting to steady, already lost everything once, not in the market to do it again.

wish you the best.

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defeated in Park Ridge, Illinois

65 months ago

I am very introverted and I just got a job as an assistant manager for a property management company. Had to take it to survive...I feel so defeated. Just the thought of going to work makes me get a PANIC ATTACK! And no one understands, all my friends and family think I should be overjoyed...somebody please just put me out of my misery!

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ALISTENER in Miami, Florida

65 months ago

I am very introverted and I just got a job as an assistant manager for a property management company. Had to take it to survive...I feel so defeated. Just the thought of going to work makes me get a PANIC ATTACK! And no one understands, all my friends and family think I should be overjoyed...somebody please just put me out of my misery!

defeated in Park Ridge, Illinois

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Dear defeated: I'm not an expert, I don't even know your age, or the kind of preparation (schooling) you have, But I think that we all deserve to work in a good place, were we feel happy to go to... I'm just quit a job because that, the owner, manager, everything self-sufficient b*** were I used to work got me so sick one day, I call her and quit over the phone. Something I never did in my younger days, now I'm doing it. I told her everything I think about her, from control freak she is to how miserable she makes me every day I was working with her. I gave her an advise to stop treating the other girls like that or, pretty soon she was going to be working along... She apologized and ask me return to y job, but I turn the offer down, yes I need the money, the job... but Don't need a hear attack.

Maybe you need to prepare yourself to work in something like medical transcriptions, when you deal only with your boss and maybe a doctor you work for.

Lets do a seach: How to decide on a career, Lets read and see what we come out with... Sorry no one can do it for you...

www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=how+to+decide+on+a+career&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ACEW_enUS395US395

Please let me now if this help you.... Ady

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artzstuf

65 months ago

in response to the last comment made, that is far from respectful. People are sincerely asking for help here in a tough economy and even tougher job market. InfaCT IT IS GETTING WORSE NOT BETTER out there and people(working,not bums,nuts) are scared,desperate,angry at being layed off,depressed as can't find work in what used to do,maybe can't go back to school as don't have the money as lived check to check like many of us do and didn't prepare for a very 'rainy day'. Instead of being 'cold. as you've obviously learned to be to survive in the 'world',y ou might try having some 'compassion' for those unemployed right now through no fault of their own. I realize you probably tolerate what you do and the people you work for,with but view it as a means to an end,living in the lifestyle you've become accustomed to. I think the big word is acceptance for all here. 'If can't change your situation change your attitude'. I'd also say to those still working and hating it,be grateful you still have a job. Many hate work which is why they call it work. I'd much rather sit on my butt than do what I do. Try working from home running your own biz. It is not as fun as may think to be the boss. All the responsibility falls on my shoulders. What needs doing is endless to point I get lost some times for my sanity. What works for me is thinking like my clients,employees and treating people how I want to be treated,with respect. When I can't which is often, I minimize contact on phones,etc. Yes I do the job but am brief with people as I don't have the time to chit chat. I keep a loose schedule and make sure I incorporate fun,rest,good habits into it like eating right and exercise. i listen to my body,mind,spirit and then adjust. All connected. I stretch,meditate,breath,do what works,drop m what doesn't,avoid toxic people,through day to deal. Drop the judgement of self,others,don't compare as we are all different,lower expectations,don't mope,complain,pity,worry,do,pray,luv,laugh,give

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artzstuf

65 months ago

also want to add,join a support group of some kind to connect with people,the right people as there are some nice ones out there. Assert yourself. If don't know how to get needs met without being aggressive and obnoxious,learn from those who do by asking them to help you for barter and do what have a talent for for them. 'Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours' goes a long way now and in life. Always has always will. Many of the problems we see today have always been there. Many are simply ill prepared for them. Life is not meant to be easy,go your way,expect frustration and disappointment as part of living. You will have plenty of 'peace' when you are dead. I'd like to think there will be a next life after with God, when all will be 'revealed' but then that is me. Til then I'd say 'lean not to thy own understanding but trust in Him and let Him direct thy path'. Trust is the operative word here. God flows through you daily to live another day. He gives you a chance to set things right before you die. None of us know the hour. We just had a hurricane here and people lost everything. We are rebuilding. People came out in droves to help any way they could. We donated,food,pet food(as i am a big pet lover,think they are so nonjudgemental ,loving and just plain great!),I gave jewelry I sell to support nickel social we held at church to raise money. Warmed my heart to see the generosity. I think it's easy to lose trust when hurt repeatedly in life and i think many who have written in here sadly have been. We all have. It is natural to then try to protect yourself by avoiding people,the enemy but we are people too. All of us have good and bad in us,strengths and weaknesses,no better. Don't shut yourselves off from friendship,get to know people slowly,you might find you have more in common than you know or think. Who knows what others are going through?hypersensitive.. Is called EQ,emotional quotient. Needed to succeed besides high IQ.

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Ann Reilly

65 months ago

"there's a lot of good in the best of us,a little good in the worst of us,so don't judge the rest of us". Easy to observe but hard to interpret what really is going on without speaking to people and asking them. I know can be hard in gossipy,back-biting,competitve offices as have been in them which am not currently. Do need people though as sure gets lonely alone all the time and no way to live. Also can't do everything for,by yourself no matter how hard you try. If have money can pay people to help you though I know Also some people will always talk about you for being self,as how they feel better about themselves as they have low self esteem. They also pick on people who are different but let's face it everyone is. Some just know how to 'fit in' better than others'. I prefer not to as am an artist. I do fit in in society though as have to to survive. Can be free and do what want in many ways but have to obey law,etc. I think 'outside the box' which is scarey to those who don't and are followers,sheep but innovative,creative people are not Would say if you,work some place with other artsy types but be prepared for 'drama' lol,'quirkiness'. Anyone who 'goes against the grain is'. Einstein,Edison,Jefferson all needed distance to think to create. If you know you have talent, I'd say watch movie 'In Pursuit of Happiness" with Will Smith about Chris Carter. Then pursue your dream and 'don't let anyone tell you you can't do something'. Many have given up on selves and their dreams as listened to what other naysayers had to say who were just too afraid to live their best life. Is what it all comes down to. FEAR AND ANGER. Is what people use to keep you inline. It is also what we have to fight to make it in this world. Is natural for people to be curious,distrusting what with world we live in and all that goes on. Listen to news. I try not to a lot or wouldn't leave home. Anyway am done. Am just trying to shed some light on this and give you a different perspective.

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Miss Anthrope in Houston, Texas

65 months ago

"Don't like people"? You should be in Management! LOL
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Seriously, I feel just like you and I love this thread. My husband said I should drive a dump truck because they make lots of money and all they do is deliver their load and dump it!

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Ann Reilly

65 months ago

how about drive a tow truck? pic up car and go..

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Cora in Miami, Florida

65 months ago

Ann Reilly.....

You can try driving a semi, it is not as easy as can maybe appears, I did it for about a year, and quit... yes you are alone; yes you do not deal with people all the time… but for me was too much, the dispatchers some time are not the best; and at the end of the trip… is always a human been...

To get an idea just spend one day in a "Truck stop", get the feeling of getting a shower there, not at your home, eat the same food over and over, and not be able to see your family faces for about 30 to 45 days if you are in the road like I was... or get home so tired, that you will take for granted everything around you... ask a "road warrior, truck driver, OTR driver in a truck stop, buy a coffee sit in a chair and listen what they have to said... I wish I had done that before I when into driving.

But ones again, I met wonderful people on the road... that was the only good part of the experience beside the beautiful views of the country side.

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Kevin in Madison, New Jersey

65 months ago

Now you're talking!

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loner in Omaha, Nebraska

65 months ago

I too am an introvert. I've succeeded in avoiding jobs where I have to have direct contact with people, especially coworkers. I hate coworkers! I don't like having to see the same people (who generally don't like me) everyday. I'm a girl, and I feel like, because of this, most people expect me to be smiley and fake all the time. When I disappoint them, they start hating me, and I lose my job. Not because I'm doing a bad job, but because my coworkers hate me. It happens all the time. I want to work alone. I get along at my call center job, but I'd much prefer to do something else. I am a friendly person, but I'm very quiet. Good to see that other people have the same problem.

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sickofit in Chicago, Illinois

65 months ago

You're right, it is hard to be an introvert when you're a girl and society expects you to love to chat and gab, smile and be fake!
The library posts were interesting. I guess people assume that the old fashioned idea of the quiet bespectacled librarian whispering "shhh!" still exists. Guess it doesn't! Same goes for art jobs. If you work in a company you still have to have those awful weekly pep-rally meetings. You don't sit alone at your little drafting table or computer, but are part of the corporate "team". And also have to deal with clients.
Anyway this is a great forum for moral support. Nice to read the experiences of others having similar problems.

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Ann Reilly

65 months ago

work with animals. Can board them when people go away and just let them out in yard if a dog or have them in a cage if a cat and let them out to pet a bit a few times a day and hang out with. If pet/house sit can stay at some nice houses too. I'd recommend using a service so never have to meet client but only deal with either owner of service or manager. yOU OFFER AN INVALUABLE SERVICE TO PEOPLE IF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE,HONEST,leave home and pets as found them,contact vet listed if have a problem. They get to go on vacation,stay late in city working or partying without having to run home to Fido. It is also good for the pet as not fair to animal to be alone alot as they get depressed. Some agencies have celebrities as clients so you can imagine the figures I listed as possible salary would be infinitely higher. The place to be for Get paid up front so no one stiffs you. Is not a stressful job. manager can book a few assignments in same area. Service will have you insured and bonded to protect all concerned. You can take a 60 40 split your favor on each assignment or get paid for time put in like $10/hr. Walkers in nyc get $18-20 a visit and more if stay at place. Do the math. No public or coworkers and contact with boss is minimal. is an agency like a temp agency. They call you with assignments or visa versa you take on when want. Can easily make $120 a day tax free. Some places have benefits can pay into. See many walkers juggling 6 dogs at a time but I think that's nutty.

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RobInStLouis in Somewhere, Illinois

65 months ago

mikey in Glendale, California said: I work in IT, and I am a introvert, so much so, that I prefer to work at night in a data center, where I rarely see anyone, except the occasional introverted colleague. I spend all night, with electronics and fiber optics. It's great, I communicate mainly through email with my employer, and everything is shipped to me, and people during the day, will send me emails telling me how much they like the job I am doing. I also like the $$$$. I put the headphones in, and work all night to my music, sometimes I get lost and work too long, and the day shift will come in, but as long as I have my headphones in, noone tries to talk to me. haha

Mikey.

From one introvert to another who is looking to change careers, can you share what it is you do in IT. Specifically, are you a network administrator, cabling specialist, network engineer or something like that? I have worked in data centers running cable for cameras, and it is indeed quiet and secluded with only the whirring of the fans to interrupt your thoughts. Access is restricted so there aren't many people around. Paradise!

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Angie in Port Chester, New York

65 months ago

Ann Reilly said: work with animals. Can board them when people go away and just let them out in yard if a dog or have them in a cage if a cat and let them out to pet a bit a few times a day and hang out with.

I wouldn't leave my pet with you if they weren't going to get proper exercise and be stuck in a backyard or a cage a good portion of the day. Definetly not the way to run that business. Poor kittty stuck in a prison for most of the day.

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Ann Reilly

65 months ago

is called boarding which is why generally $10 a day. I personally never left cat in cage ever. I boarded in my home and treated as if my pet. Was describing kenneling. For more have to pay when I did it $10/walk or visit for 1/2 hour,15/walk out of town, and generally 3 walks a day=30-45,pet sitting staying in someone's home is more as am paying for someone to be with pet. I gave more and stayed longer with pet but I assure you many don't as is just a job. As said in city get $18/walk and often walkers have like 5 dogs walking at a time. Besides walking is feeding,watering,sometimes watering plants,rotating lights to make as if someone lives there,is security which many don't realize which is why worth every penny a sitter gets. Many don't appreciate the service given them which is why don't do it anymore. Get what pay for. You sound like want the moon but want to pay dirt.Had clients like you and couldn't stand them. Cuts both ways. You don't like people well right back at you. Dish it out be prepared to take it. As for letting an obese or very old dog out in a yard as opposed to walking him,there was nothing inhumane in that.Would say is bad dog is fat but can't control others or what they do,only me and my attitude. I walked the others. As for'not wanting to have me take care of pet' am truly grateful I am being spared the indignity of that experience or of having to deal with you. Thank you God. Is called paying my dues. Most here work. I would say treat others as want to be treated. With regard to the topic of thread'jobs for people who don't like people'. As said before,I think many myself included dislike dealing with rude,crude,mean,inconsiderate, ignorant people who don't think before say and do things nor care about it's effect on another person. In your case taking a pot shot at others don't know and work did. I made some mistakes in retrospect petsitting but mostly did a good job. Can live with me,human. I don't care what You think,honestly.

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ChiChi in Florence, Alabama

65 months ago

georgebuffet in London, United Kingdom said: Hi There !!

You can try some office administrator jobs and it will not have to talk with the people.
But you have to change this mentality, beacuse definitely you will get depressed in work, if you are taking any job like said.

Hope it helps :)

Regards,
George Buffet

Office Administrator? Are you effin' kidding me? As a VP of admninistration, the office administrator reported to me. We BOTH were hit up as soon as we got off of the elevator in the morning for all manner of petty BS. Administrators do just that, ADMINISTER which by its nature means you are catering to everyone else's needs while no one is catering to yours. We're talking seriously stupid petty stuff and constant putting out fires for those who are too lazy or incompetent to plan ahead.

As for changing someone's attitude? As long as people are unreliable a'holes who treat work like a hotel and check in only when they feel like it and don't do their share and expect me to figure out everything they are too lazy to bother figuring out themselves, even though it IS their job and not mine, then no thanks!

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ChiChi in Florence, Alabama

65 months ago

Try Medical Transacription. The demand is definitely thre and it is a skilled position. They listen to dictated tapes the MD makes and then type it all out. You will need to learn medical terminology but the girls in our office sit with headphones on all day typing away.

Also, medical billing, although it may not pay as well.

Also consider property appraisal but you will have to do an internship with a licensed appraiser first. Once you are licensed, you can get a couple of reliable realtor clients and they sond you out to do a drive by and then research the comps and value the property.

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Ann Reilly

65 months ago

Want to comment on my response to post re: my post suggesting caring for animals,pet sitting. I reacted rather strongly instead of acting in a civil manner,sorry. The comment 'I wouldn't leave my pet with you' was an antagonizing one. Am working on controlling my anger,fear,releasing past and letting what others say and do roll off me. Can't personalize. Don't do that work anymore. Would say if do have a pet and use a service,be kind and grateful if have someone who is honest and does a good job as is not an easy biz as none is. I had to be bonded and insured,advertised and paid for it. Was alot of work. many think having own biz great as reap the profits but would have to say put alot of money,time out,exhausting. There is money where people have money like Westchester where you live as lived there too and worked there but many are obnoxious as have money, no respect and are a pain to deal with. If can,best to be discerning,see red flags and weed out the bad eggs right off as not worth it if lured by cash as may stiff you,find some reason to not pay balance as their M.O. Risky. I had good refs but who knew them? Many times went in cold to job and took a chance. Most nice as are most people. Just trying to get thru the day,survive,enjoy life,take care of family. As said before,working with animals is great but people pay you so have to please and be accountable to them. I would expect praise after an assignment only to get chewed out about something and blamed me for didn't do when I gave them extra like cleaning up after dog when deck was full of crap already when got there. My dog died,home burgled,still went to work as had an assigment and owner away. Responsibility and was,am responsible. Best to use a service and deal with one person,preferably nice but office temped thru agencies and they didn't care about me but commission. Sent me all over and misrepresented me 2.

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vancec in Azusa, California

64 months ago

I have enjoyed reading all of these responses. I am one of those people who is introverted, but I can still function within groups of people. I have called it "faking it" all of my life. That may sound terrible, but it's what's worked for me. I started my career as a graphic designer. I studied to be a writer. I have always been artistic. It really makes sense to me now that my natural tendencies to be a loner were showing up early on and manifesting as "artistic". I've struggled as of late with my career, as I have often found myself going in directions that don't make sense for someone who is introverted. For example, I was a salesperson for a while, and that didn't work out. I have done PR work, and that's not exactly fit for someone who doesn't enjoy being social too much. Even in my home life, I prefer to come home and just be a home-body. I live with my significant other, and I much prefer it's just the two of us without visitors, for the most part. Because later in my career I've found myself in roles where I should naturally be more extroverted, I've often felt like something is really wrong with me for not being natural at it and always feeling like I need to "fake it", as I mentioned before. It's strange how just reading comments like the ones in this forum has opened my eyes to the fact that I really am more normal than I thought. While I'm still confused about where I'm going next with my career (I've been unemployed for going on 1 year), I feel a little better and definitely more encouraged to strike out in a direction that I know is right for me, even if it may not be what others view is right for me. I have always enjoyed graphic design. I may dedicate myself to that now. Thank you to everyone who has left valuable insights here. Even though we're introverts, it's good to feel like you're a part of a community. If that makes sense. Best wishes to all!

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aprilshowers in Argyle, Texas

64 months ago

i am 100% positive that i am an introvert. i am not outgoing, not bubbly and cheerful, i have people anxiety, and i dont have the best social skills. i dont really like talking to strangers nor do i have very much interest in people that i dont know. i was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrom when i was a kid and i am now 22. i am pretty sure that that diagnosis was correct; i fit the characteristics of a general person with Asperger's. for all this introvertedness, i HATE it. as someone else said in their post, i also wish that i wasnt like this. i would love to be outgoing and social and good with people. i would be alot happier if i wasnt always hiding in a shell. and here's the twist to all this: i am currently going to beauty school and training to be an Esthetician. turns out, this carreer field does not fit my personality, of course. and i was too naive to know this before i got into it. so i dont know what to do! i feel like i am way under-exceeding in the business part of my training and it will affect me being a succsessful esthetician.

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Ann Reilly

64 months ago

one day at a time. One foot in front of the other and eventually you are down the block. Try meditating. I say a mantra'be still my soul' Do this atleast 20 minutes a day and think of nothing else. When negative,worry thoughts come tune them out and go back to mantra. I have a video on youtube s/n annspets4 on this meditation. Is highly effective. I also using walking down street,when doing chores don't want to do and so on. I find with hair stylists,just have to listen as people tell their biz to them. Just b e compassionate and treat others how want to be treated. they are just people. Drop the judgement,comparing to you. Lower your expectations,accept you and your performance will rise. Worrying over something that hasn't even happened. Think positively and replace insecure thought with secure one. Is the fight flight primal response. Telling mind to panic which cause tension,etc. You are in a good career if creative and it can be fun as why you probably chose career in first place. Don't let your fears stop you from attaining your dreams. Everyone has some self doubt,strengths,weaknesses. Write pro/con list about you. Bet there are more pros than cons and you don't want to be anyone else as we all have special gifts that make us us. If have faith,walk with God,He don't make junk. He is a great ally and can take away your fear of people as are just that people like you and me,not perfect,human with faults too. You are judging your insides against their outsides. Who knows what they are going through? When put your problems in middle of table with other people,people take theirs back as know can deal with them as have been. Say can't stand it but guess what you can as have. Take deep breathe,stretch,use aromatherapy to relax,self soothing talk.

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Violet

64 months ago

aprilshowers; I started school years ago to be a nurse and realized it was WAY TOO "peopley" for me. Someone said to me, "just because you bought the ticket doesn't mean you have to take the flight." If you really will be unhappy it's not worth going through with it. I have people anxiety also, but I would not be happier as a people person. I LOVE being in solitude and could be the only person on the planet and be just fine :). I hope you can find a path that will make you happier. Best of luck to you!

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Jean in Mesa, Arizona

64 months ago

There are nursing jobs that are not as people intensive. You might check with the advisors at the school that gave you your degree.

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Jean in Mesa, Arizona

64 months ago

To AprilShowers: I've found as an introvert that I can be extroverted for a period of time and then I just need time to myself to reenergize. I believe an esthetician can make a good income. I don't know that people want you to be a chatty kathy under those circumstances. Isn't it all about relaxing and unwinding for them? I'd check out google and see if there are job recommendations for people with Aspergers. If I remember correctly, Aspergers presents differently for different people? I also seem to recall that people with Aspergers are generally highly intelligent and very unique in their abilities. Maybe do a little more reading about it or see if you can find a local support group. Everything you are going through, someone has gone through before you.

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Ntafrkngpplprsn in Goodlettsville, Tennessee

64 months ago

Just another number in Chicagoland, Indiana said: Sometimes people CAN'T "change tis mentality".

Floridamom... a couple of suggestions:

#1 Take the Myeres Briggs/MBTI
#2 Take the Aspie Quiz ( www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php ) &/or the AQ Test.( www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html )

The first will set a baseline for your work STYLE/Preference, and the other two will help you determine if the MBTI rankings have underlying causes that are more or less un-changable. Asperger's Syndrome in Adults, while not debilitating in any "traditional" sense, is a MAJOR cause for Underemployment &/or extreme difficulty in Job Hunting.

Knowing those 2 things can lead you to some different resources, the first more "self help" related and the second more Medical/VocRehab Resource related.

Just because you don't like working with people (especially in this day and age), does NOT mean you're autistic or have asperger's! How rude!

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RobInStLouis in Somewhere, Illinois

64 months ago

Ntafrkngpplprsn in Goodlettsville, Tennessee said: Just because you don't like working with people (especially in this day and age), does NOT mean you're autistic or have asperger's! How rude!

Hey, if I find that I have asperger's syndrome, can I get any "benefits"? Like maybe a fully paid scholarship, a monthly check, or job placement? If so, it wouldn't be all that bad!

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sickofit in Chicago, Illinois

64 months ago

This comment thread is so fascinating! I think the basic problem is that corporations, the corporate mission has taken over almost everywhere! So, there are just too many people who USED to be employable, and able to find a proper fit, and use..and now just don't know what to do anymore! It's very hard!
I sure wish there was some compensation for not being cut out to be a "team player" (meaning you just never liked teams to begin with, of course).

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Ann Reilly

64 months ago

try having it for a day. bet you'd be crying your butt off. Is amazing how glib some can be just because are able bodied so need to work. many were unfortunate enough to have head injuries,been trauma survivors like from tsunami and need time to heal,not your disdain. Be glad you have an average life instead of being stigmatized from ignorant people like yourself so not included in society but alone most the time or feel that way as can't relate to other's due to their experiences. If not abused enough get more thrown on them from blow hards without a brain in their heads. just because can't see it doesn't mean don't have a disability. how is it y0ur biz anyway?

'everyone has an opinion just like everyone has an butt hole.'

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Kate in Brockton, Massachusetts

64 months ago

Please help me too. I am 25 and just graduated Summa Cum Laude, Phi Theta Kappa with an Associate's Degree. I have decided I don't want to bother wasting my time to get a Bachelor's, because the AA was so frustrating it nearly drove me to a nervous breakdown. I'm an INFP and tend to work at a slow pace, well, moderate in context but not fast enough to keep up with the retail/fast food assembly line. Plus, the amount of effort I'd have to put in isn't nearly worth the money.

So what I need is an entry-level job that pays AT LEAST ~$30K/yr, doesn't require further training or any more formal education (college), doesn't involve math or science at all, and preferably is not in the computer field. I realize that's the industry du jour, but there's an image factor I do take into account, and IMHO being a computer specialist pretty much brands you as an insufferable Trekkie. Which is even worse if you're female, because I'm firmly convinced that the right image plays a big role in whether you get the job: Kim Kardashian would get hired ahead of Susan Boyle, otherwise the women of Wal-Mart would have a big fat Kardashian-sized class action judgment delivered in their favor.

I can write; I have a natural aptitude for computer graphics (but can't draw manually); I'm constantly innovating new ideas and concepts (although most of them right now just sit in a notebook); I'm well-suited to the English language and would have no trouble picking up a second or third given the training. It's not that I'm not a people person; it's just that there are other things that get in the way. Like time management and working at an assembly-line pace; meeting deadlines (especially immediate ones); and the paradoxical "lack of experience." I know I'd be a bigger asset than Kardashian would be, but I've yet to find the right fit. Please, can anyone help?

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Keep Smiling in Washington, District of Columbia

64 months ago

RobInStLouis in Waterloo, Illinois said: You are either EXTROverted (the correct spelling) or introverted, not both. You are one or the other, but most people can adapt with practice. It has been said that extroverts speak before they think (some foot-in-mouth disease here), and introverts think before they speak (thus more quiet). If you are indeed both, there is medication for that....
The Myers-Briggs test is the gold standard. They swear that there are no right or wrong answers. It's a lie when it determines your fate in the job market, or forbid, your current job to see if you are right for it (happened to me). Extroverted Salesmen = $100K per year. Introverted data entry person = $10 per hour. Pigeonholing at its best!

I just want to pipe up to say this is definitely NOT true. You don't have to be EITHER introverted or extroverted. There is a spectrum and plenty of people don't identify strongly with one extreme or the other, or identify more with one in some situations and the other in other contexts. Or, shift throughout their life. It's helpful to know which end of the spectrum you TEND towards and, yes, for some people they identify strongly with an extreme (including myself and the o.p. - introversion). But, like all aspects of the human mind it's not black and white. You don't need to pigeonhole yourself into one or the other and you CERTAINLY don't need medication just because you don't consistently fit into one particular label which humans created to describe certain tendencies. There is nothing wrong that.

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RobInStLouis in Somewhere, Illinois

64 months ago

Keep Smiling in Washington, District of Columbia said: I just want to pipe up to say this is definitely NOT true. You don't have to be EITHER introverted or extroverted. There is a spectrum and plenty of people don't identify strongly with one extreme or the other, or identify more with one in some situations and the other in other contexts. Or, shift throughout their life. It's helpful to know which end of the spectrum you TEND towards and, yes, for some people they identify strongly with an extreme (including myself and the o.p. - introversion). But, like all aspects of the human mind it's not black and white. You don't need to pigeonhole yourself into one or the other and you CERTAINLY don't need medication just because you don't consistently fit into one particular label which humans created to describe certain tendencies. There is nothing wrong that.

I never once said that the spectrum was black and white. But I do put introversion and extroversion on a horizontal linear scale with a line right in the middle. The extremes are on the ends and moderation is toward the center. I learned a lot when I was demoted for not having the right perceived personality for the job. Based on the information I have read (books, not the web and the expert who tested us with Meyers-Briggs), you can move to the left or the right on your side of the scale but rarely cross the center. If you are a closet extrovert but you are just shy, this is a habit of unlearned social skills. You are anxious when you are alone. If you are a closet introvert, then you have used adaptive skills, but you probably still need to recharge.

You are indeed dreaming if you believe that any personality can comfortably fit any type of job. Some jobs are more suited to introverts than other jobs. You can adapt, but it still won't truly fit your personality. Unfortunately the pigeonholing comes from a lot of the extroverts who just don't understand us.

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RobInStLouis in Somewhere, Illinois

64 months ago

Kate in Brockton, Massachusetts said: Please help me too. I am 25 and just graduated Summa Cum Laude, Phi Theta Kappa with an Associate's Degree. I have decided I don't want to bother wasting my time to get a Bachelor's, because the AA was so frustrating it nearly drove me to a nervous breakdown. I'm an INFP and tend to work at a slow pace, well, moderate in context but not fast enough to keep up with the retail/fast food assembly line. Plus, the amount of effort I'd have to put in isn't nearly worth the money.

So what I need is an entry-level job that pays AT LEAST ~$30K/yr, doesn't require further training or any more formal education (college), doesn't involve math or science at all, and preferably is not in the computer field. I realize that's the industry du jour, but there's an image factor I do take into account, and IMHO being a computer specialist pretty much brands you as an insufferable Trekkie. Which is even worse if you're female, because I'm firmly convinced that the right image plays a big role in whether you get the job: Kim Kardashian would get hired ahead of Susan Boyle, otherwise the women of Wal-Mart would have a big fat Kardashian-sized class action judgment delivered in their favor.

I can write; I have a natural aptitude for computer graphics (but can't draw manually); I'm constantly innovating new ideas and concepts (although most of them right now just sit in a notebook); I'm well-suited to the English language and would have no trouble picking up a second or third given the training. It's not that I'm not a people person; it's just that there are other things that get in the way. Like time management and working at an assembly-line pace; meeting deadlines (especially immediate ones); and the paradoxical "lack of experience." I know I'd be a bigger asset than Kardashian would be, but I've yet to find the right fit. Please, can anyone help?

What's wrong with being a Trekkie? Living will is the best revenge.

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Jean in Mesa, Arizona

64 months ago

Kate in Brockton, Massachusetts:

1. I would go back to the counseling/placement/advising department of the school that graduated you Summa Cum Laude and Phi Theta Kappa and tell them what you just told us....and ask for help.
2. I would pick up the most recent edition of "What Color is Your Parachute" and work through the exercises.
3. I would visit the "What Color is Your Parachute" webiste: www.jobhuntersbible.com/index.php for additional resources.
4. Did your school administer the Myers-Briggs to you? Ask them for help interpreting and applying it to real life.
5. Did you take the Strong Inventory as a junior in high school? Is that why you went into IT? If you haven't taken the Strong Inventory, maybe take it or a similar reliable occupational test--again ask your school to assist you. You can access Strong online for a nominal price, but its always helpful to have someone help you interpret and apply it.
6. Do you belong to any professional organizations associated with your degree/field? See if they have an online forum where people are asking the same questions you are. In my experience IT people tend to be more introverted than extroverted.
7. Check out your local unemployment office. The one in AZ services anyone, services are free, classes are outstanding, tests are free and you can talk to experienced career counselors who can help you work through your issues.

Hope this helps.

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Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island

64 months ago

Kate in Brockton, Massachusetts said: .
So what I need is an entry-level job that pays AT LEAST ~$30K/yr, doesn't require further training or any more formal education (college), doesn't involve math or science at all, and preferably is not in the computer field. I realize that's the industry du jour, but there's an image factor I do take into account, and IMHO being a computer specialist pretty much brands you as an insufferable Trekkie.

I can write; I have a natural aptitude for computer graphics (but can't draw manually); I'm constantly innovating new ideas and concepts (although most of them right now just sit in a notebook); I'm well-suited to the English language and would have no trouble picking up a second or third given the training. It's not that I'm not a people person; it's just that there are other things that get in the way. Like time management and working at an assembly-line pace; meeting deadlines (especially immediate ones); and the paradoxical "lack of experience." I know I'd be a bigger asset than Kardashian would be, but I've yet to find the right fit. Please, can anyone help?

Ok, there is no "natural aptitude" for graphic design. Graphic designers under go tons of training to get where they are. Hello, I am one and underwent lots of training. You want a high paying job that doesn't require a lot of education? You think it's "nerdy" to be in an IT field? Hate to tell you, but graphic design is full of nerds. You need to talk to you community college's job placement people, because you seem to be expecting to walk into a decent paying job based on the fact that you like certain fields. You need to train to make anything over 25K.

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Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island

64 months ago

RobInStLouis in Somewhere, Illinois said: What's wrong with being a Trekkie? Living will is the best revenge.

I love Star Trek, woo woo! :)

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Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island

64 months ago

@Kate in Brockton: I couldn't leave this one alone, because frankly it was rather offensive to people in the art world and anyone who writes for a living. There is no one who is "naturally" good at their jobs. More training means that you have a better understanding of the concept in question. Without that training you are anyone off the street whose loved ones told them that they were a special snow flake. What you're asking for, basically, is to be given an amazing job without putting in the work. Given the current economy - you need to put in the work if you want to make 30+ right off the bat and with no training.

You can't walk into a specialized career without spending time interning and without studying that career. Art is not an easy field to walk into, despite (again) the fact that your parents praised your finger paintings. Same with writing. I think what you really need to do is work a minimum wage job for a while and grow up. Going to a bit of college doesn't make you eligible for what ever job you so desire. You have to work for what you want in this world.

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RobInStLouis in Somewhere, Illinois

64 months ago

Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island said: @Kate in Brockton: I couldn't leave this one alone, because frankly it was rather offensive to people in the art world and anyone who writes for a living. There is no one who is "naturally" good at their jobs. More training means that you have a better understanding of the concept in question. Without that training you are anyone off the street whose loved ones told them that they were a special snow flake. What you're asking for, basically, is to be given an amazing job without putting in the work. Given the current economy - you need to put in the work if you want to make 30+ right off the bat and with no training.

You can't walk into a specialized career without spending time interning and without studying that career. Art is not an easy field to walk into, despite (again) the fact that your parents praised your finger paintings. Same with writing. I think what you really need to do is work a minimum wage job for a while and grow up. Going to a bit of college doesn't make you eligible for what ever job you so desire. You have to work for what you want in this world.

Art...is...just....HARD!
And if you can do it, you are very hard to replace.

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Pigbitin Mad in Mount Vernon, New York

64 months ago

[QUOTE who="and IMHO being a computer specialist pretty much brands you as an insufferable Trekkie."QUOTE]

Really? You think all computer types are insufferable Trekkies? That might have been true in the 1970's (and yeah, those insufferable trekkies were a lot cooler than the "popular" cheerleader types). I think the world needs more "insufferable Trekkies." You seem to think that because you know Word and how to IM, that you actually KNOW something about computers and can be a graphic designer. I highly doubt that.

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Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island

64 months ago

Pigbitin Mad in Mount Vernon, New York said: [QUOTE who="and IMHO being a computer specialist pretty much brands you as an insufferable Trekkie."QUOTE]

Really? You think all computer types are insufferable Trekkies? That might have been true in the 1970's (and yeah, those insufferable trekkies were a lot cooler than the "popular" cheerleader types). I think the world needs more "insufferable Trekkies." You seem to think that because you know Word and how to IM, that you actually KNOW something about computers and can be a graphic designer. I highly doubt that.

I still like Star Trek (TNG)...and Doctor Who...and all kinds of not "cool" things. Lol. But I've done well in the past (prior to moving) in every random job I've landed in - marketing, entry level legal stuff, and programming. I think when Kate grows up she'll realize that there aren't really any cliques in the real world it all comes down to how smart you are and how well you can sell yourself as a career person. Most professions don't care what you like to do in your spare time - you don't even have to tell anyone. But I will say that graphic designers are pretty nerdy and if you go around bashing "nerdy" stuff eventually you'll piss off everyone you'd want to work with. :)

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anniespets5@*****.***

64 months ago

Many don't like the dealing with people part of job like with the public,obnoxious,snotty,snobby coworkers,a crazy,unhappy boss,the commute,whatever. Whatever situation we find ourselves in,know that there are hundreds if not thousands of people in similar ones.For some work is enjoyable and they work with a nice group of people they get on with. They are not friends but it is ok being there for 7+ hours a day. They are fortunate. Comes down to acceptance of where at right now like the stages of death and dying. When can accept,it's easier to deal with what is going on. As long as we fight it we will be in the other stages like angry or depressed. Shift your focus and look at what like about job. Be grateful for the money,that you have a job as many don't and are poor,struggling. put it in perspective. Also best for all here to be kind and avoid the name calling and judgements. You may be able to take that and are used to being treated that way but sensitive,quiet, people who tend to keep to selves can't. Also you don't know who are talking to here. Many depressed,anxious,in treatment,on medicine,see doctors now adays to cope with all expected of them..

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sickofit in Chicago, Illinois

64 months ago

@Pigbitin Mad in Mount Vernon, New York

That's just horrible. This is not a place to attack people! But, it's typical of today's society, the safely of attacking from the comfort of your own home. Good for you, you are very with it!
I would enjoy offending you more if I knew how, just to speed up your inevitable heart attack.

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Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island

64 months ago

sickofit in Chicago, Illinois said: @Pigbitin Mad in Mount Vernon, New York

That's just horrible. This is not a place to attack people! But, it's typical of today's society, the safely of attacking from the comfort of your own home. Good for you, you are very with it!
I would enjoy offending you more if I knew how, just to speed up your inevitable heart attack.

Pigbitin Mad had posted in response to someone else's post that was attacking those who are "nerdy" and in the IT field. The original poster, if you had bothered to read up a bit, had posted a rather rude comment about not wanting to be associated with any kind of computer related field as it home "insufferable trekkies". Pigbitin Mad was merely standing up for themselves.

Maybe next time read the forum before posting, yeah?

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sickofit in Chicago, Illinois

64 months ago

Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island said: Pigbitin Mad had posted in response to someone else's post that was attacking those who are "nerdy" and in the IT field. The original poster, if you had bothered to read up a bit, had posted a rather rude comment about not wanting to be associated with any kind of computer related field as it home "insufferable trekkies". Pigbitin Mad was merely standing up for themselves.

Maybe next time read the forum before posting, yeah?

She didn't attack at all. I have been reading the whole forum. She was a little naive, a little inadvertently insulting to some, but was here to ask for advice. This is not the place for egos nor attacks, and I don't think she was asking for this kind of emotional outburst that she's getting. Come on. Have a little humanity! Sure, call her on it, and offer her some wake up calls, but "Mafia"? "agree or die"? perhaps I missed the shock treatment meaning, and perhaps it was ok for her to hear it. But she will get that when out in the world anyway, no? I don't know. This comment thread is beyond me at this point. In truth her inquiry was not the best, and didn't instill empathy, so I do understand the ..irritable response. But I think maybe best to just ignore it. The response attacks don't do anyone any good..

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JBO in Sacramento, California

64 months ago

susan in Franklin, Tennessee said: It is society's loss, too, that introverted types don't get hired. Introverted people like us are kind, thoughtful, nonjudgmental, creative, hard working, mind-our-own-business, sit-and-shut up-and-work types. We should not be punished because we don't chit chat and gossip and spread untrue, hurtful rumors, with phony Joker-smiles plastered on our faces. Jobs would be done better if we were hired.

couldnt agree more

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Polly Ann in Oakland, California

64 months ago

Reading this thread, it's refreshing to know that I'm not the only one who's an introvert, and has been an introvert since childhood. My last job was heaven: Got to enter in my data, print, scan, file, be left alone and listen to my music all day. Unfortunately though, now it looks like I'll have to fake being a chippy, happy-go-lucky, outgoing, bubbly, enthusiastic person in order to get a job. It's sad to have to resort to being fake, since it's not who I am or what I'm about. But unfortunately, if the bulk of jobs being offered nowadays involve dealing with the public or customers, I guess I'll have to be fake in order to get a job to survive. *Sigh*

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Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island

64 months ago

sickofit in Chicago, Illinois said: She didn't attack at all. I have been reading the whole forum. She was a little naive, a little inadvertently insulting to some, but was here to ask for advice. This is not the place for egos nor attacks, and I don't think she was asking for this kind of emotional outburst that she's getting. Come on. Have a little humanity! Sure, call her on it, and offer her some wake up calls, but "Mafia"? "agree or die"? perhaps I missed the shock treatment meaning, and perhaps it was ok for her to hear it. But she will get that when out in the world anyway, no? I don't know. This comment thread is beyond me at this point. In truth her inquiry was not the best, and didn't instill empathy, so I do understand the ..irritable response. But I think maybe best to just ignore it. The response attacks don't do anyone any good..

I think you're responding to the wrong post. I didn't say anything about the mafia. Please re-read, thanks.

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Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island

64 months ago

Kathy said: If you have a 'hermit type personality' and don't like in interact with other people, maybe you should go see a psycho therapist for deep rooted mental issues. Did any thing bad happen in your childhood ?

I find it strange that a person wants to make more than $9 an hour and doesn't want to deal with other humans. How sad.

Aren't you snapping smart? I guess your lovely character and outgoing personality is why you're...hanging out on an forum for unemployed people? You must be a real pleasure to be around. I'm sure you have a well paying job and lots of lovely friends - I mean, why else would you be on a job hunting site?

Look, some people are shy. This is just the way they are -not everyone on the face of the earth is out going and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Perhaps you should consider going back to school and taking a few intro classes to Psychology so that you can fully understand the phenomenon.

Good luck with life, Kathy. With the kind of bad attitude you have it is going to be an uphill struggle.

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Kevin in Brooklyn, New York

64 months ago

Huh. I've had professional help. Medication too. Guess what?

I still hate people. Avoid interaction at all costs. And people like Kathy are one of the major reasons why.

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Frankensense in Warwick, Rhode Island

64 months ago

Kathy said: Frankensense,

If you had an education you would realize that these hermits need professional help with their mental issues.

Oh snap Kathy! You are so witty. I guess I should have gone to Internet Troll University like you instead of real college, huh? Then I would be an expert like you in diagnosing people I've never met before with a serious illness based on a few bits of information that they've shared online.

Nuts. I guess I'll just have to throw away my Bachelor of Arts and start all over again.

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