Employers who don't respond to applicants

Richard Carlisle in Springfield, Missouri said: You are correct; I apologize. Some of us are off topic and probably ought to find a different forum to blow off this kind of smoke.

No worries . . . I get off topic quite often.

Good luck to you!!

Richard Carlisle in Springfield, Missouri said: You are correct; I apologize. Some of us are off topic and probably ought to find a different forum to blow off this kind of smoke.

Or you could start a new thread.

Why don't employers respond to applicants?

Because as a country we have gone downhill immensely. There is very little accountability, no pride,
little ethics, little morals, if that. People hide, many are passive aggressive, and lack basic social skills--since the advent of computers, twattering, blueberries, blackberry, whatever this electronic junk is called. They now cannot function with face-to-face interactions, telephonically, letter etc... rather they "correspond" through email systems if that. Hence, many "personnel employees" lack basic social grace, interactions etc....a clear case can be seen in generation x-ers (the ones chronically unemployed, "consultants", "entreprenauers"--AKA unemployed, living with their bros, off their moms/daddies, living in parent's home in 20s, 30s,even 40s,) with little to no personal responsibility b/c everything was easy or handed to them. Hence, the inability to communicate effectively with a potential employee. It does NOT matter it the resume, curriculum vitae, whatever, is solicited, unsolicited; a timely response is common sense and professional. However, we are not living in the a time where the greatest generation was truly the greatest generation. Rather, we have been hijacted by dumbing down, generation x-ers, gum chewers, hair twirlers, and people looking for their next orgasm. They do not any morals, professionalism, or true care about the job they have been entrusted with, Therefore, you will most likely not hear back. Also in some of these cases, the "job" did not exist or they hired "internally" meaning, nepotism, cronyism, buddy system, right last name was used a the criterion for "employment."

When eventually the time is right (unemployment hits 20%, say), the companies using deceiving practice to solicit resumes, to advertise bogus resumes for already-filled H1B, to post jobs year-round but never actually hiring, to gather personal information and forward or sell to recruiters/third-party, will be investigated and prosecuted.

Company should clearly state, on the job ad, its effective duration, should pull the ad once its hiring is completed, should update the applicants the total number of received resumes (software can automatically do it) and status. Let’s support a law to mandate it.

Here is an exchange I had with a recruiter:

Lisa Miller:
The position was filled this morning.

Warm regards,

Lisa

Well,
For the sake of future candidates, try to keep them updated on positions as you post them. It's just a sign of respect.

Regards,
gmajor

I struck a nerve:
Gmajor,

Not that I owe you an explanation but for professionalism's sake which you
apparently lack.
The position was posted a month ago and monster runs it for 60 days.
I owe you no explanation on the status of a resume that you submit. You
apparently did not have a skill set that was strong enough to be considered
for the position or you would have heard from me.
My client chose their candidate this morning after interviewing 6 people out
of 300 that applied.

Good luck on your search but brush up on your professionalism before you
apply for anything I post.
I wouldn't represent you at this point.

Warm regards,

Lisa

Lisa,
I was just telling you the truth, but you just have a difficult time accepting certain facts. Most legitimate companies, or companies worth their salt send a rejection letter/email to candidates. I doubt these clients of yours even really exist due to the nature of staffing agencies(which is another topic). It seems to me you were just fishing for resumes, so no thanks for representation.

Have a good weekend,

Man, that felt good telling the recruiter what is what...

Just don't get yourself in a situation where THAT recruiter badmouths you to others, because you don't want this to haunt you.

gmajor7th in 13th Colony, New Jersey said: Here is an exchange I had with a recruiter:

Good luck on your search but brush up on your professionalism before you
apply for anything I post.
I wouldn't represent you at this point.

Warm regards,

Lisa

Lisa,
I was just telling you the truth, but you just have a difficult time accepting certain facts. Most legitimate companies, or companies worth their salt send a rejection letter/email to candidates. I doubt these clients of yours even really exist due to the nature of staffing agencies(which is another topic). It seems to me you were just fishing for resumes, so no thanks for representation.

Have a good weekend,

Man, that felt good telling the recruiter what is what...

As good as it might have felt, it makes about as much sense as "leting the gate agent 'have it'" when your flight has been delayed. In that case it never ceases to amaze me that a person will chew a gate agent out about a missed connection. Really let them have it!

Now, in my airline case, there is *one* person on the face of the earth who can get you on another flight. That person is not Barack Obama, not the Pope, not anyone but that gate agent. So you walk and tell them how much they and their company suck. Think you will get a seat? Think you will get that one bump into first class?

Now look at what you did. You told a recruiter they suck. There is more than one recruiter out there, sure. But Obama isn't going to get you a job. And you just made someone who could remember you.

gmajor7th in 13th Colony, New Jersey said: Here is an exchange I had with a recruiter:

Lisa Miller:
The position was filled this morning.

Warm regards,

Lisa

Well,
For the sake of future candidates, try to keep them updated on positions as you post them. It's just a sign of respect.

Regards,
gmajor

I struck a nerve:
Gmajor,

Not that I owe you an explanation but for professionalism's sake which you
apparently lack.
The position was posted a month ago and monster runs it for 60 days.
I owe you no explanation on the status of a resume that you submit. You
apparently did not have a skill set that was strong enough to be considered
for the position or you would have heard from me.
My client chose their candidate this morning after interviewing 6 people out
of 300 that applied.

Good luck on your search but brush up on your professionalism before you
apply for anything I post.
I wouldn't represent you at this point.

Warm regards,

Lisa

Lisa,
I was just telling you the truth, but you just have a difficult time accepting certain facts. Most legitimate companies, or companies worth their salt send a rejection letter/email to candidates. I doubt these clients of yours even really exist due to the nature of staffing agencies(which is another topic). It seems to me you were just fishing for resumes, so no thanks for representation.

Have a good weekend,

Man, that felt good telling the recruiter what is what...

Although her response was terse, it really didn't warrant your response. I can only speak to my experience of course but if there really were 294 other candidates, it would be tough to manage to keep them all updated.

Like others have posted, you just sealed your fate with that Recruiter and all the others she comes in contact with. You do realize that Recruiters usually belong to associations and we love to share stories like these?

Good luck to you . . .

Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida said: Just don't get yourself in a situation where THAT recruiter badmouths you to others, because you don't want this to haunt you.

I'm haunted everyday since each days grows worse than the last, and I've dealt with recruiters (aka Fraud Agencies) and wanted to have fun in this case. She can't do squat, and she was just fishing for resumes like I told her. People are hip to recruiters now as they are all liars and scammers.

gmajor7th in 13th Colony, New Jersey said: I'm haunted everyday since each days grows worse than the last, and I've dealt with recruiters (aka Fraud Agencies) and wanted to have fun in this case. She can't do squat, and she was just fishing for resumes like I told her. People are hip to recruiters now as they are all liars and scammers.

I'm not a liar or a scammer. I post only real jobs and hired more than 80 Physicians last year.

Sorry if I am answering in a way that was answered before, but here is how a recruiter told me he worked:

First, he said you put an ad in the newspaper (this is before craigslist and other sites took off, now they might put an ad there.) for the position you will recruit for. His was telecenter managers. Just use a generic job description, etc. Ideally you will get a hundred or more responses. You do this a few times to "build your book" of contacts. The better ones you will call and get to know. Again this "builds your book."

With your book built you then can service your clients properly. Clients use recruiters to fill a need NOW, not in a few weeks after the ads run. So when this guy had a client called, he had 100 potential people to call to fill the position! He didn't have to say he'd need a week.

I see nothing wrong with doing this. A smart job-hunter will use this to their own advantage and be friendly to the recruiter/headhunter. Good headhunters will remember you and may call back years later. But you must remember they work for the employer, not you. So don't expect a call or letter back. Nice if they can do so, but it might take too much time.

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Although her response was terse, it really didn't warrant your response. I can only speak to my experience of course but if there really were 294 other candidates, it would be tough to manage to keep them all updated.

Like others have posted, you just sealed your fate with that Recruiter and all the others she comes in contact with. You do realize that Recruiters usually belong to associations and we love to share stories like these?

Good luck to you . . .

Like I said, recruiters are frauds(it doesn't even matter who they are with), and I don't even look at their postings since the jobs more than likely don't exist or used to bulk up their db(such this was the case). You should see the other e-mails I sent to people who weren't recruiters who tried to give me a hard time...

Real companies send rejection letters/emails, bogus ones don't.

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: I'm not a liar or a scammer. I post only real jobs and hired more than 80 Physicians last year.

Hmm, where have I heard that line before? Am I supposed to be impressed because they are Physicians? Don't tell me, you are a recruiter? That will make my day....

gmajor7th in 13th Colony, New Jersey said: Like I said, recruiters are frauds(it doesn't even matter who they are with), and I don't even look at their postings since the jobs more than likely don't exist or used to bulk up their db(such this was the case). You should see the other e-mails I sent to people who weren't recruiters who tried to give me a hard time...

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Good luck in your job search-you are surely going to need it.

You remind me of a guy wanted a job from me. He refused to take our apptitude test.

"I don't take those kinds of tests."
"Well, we require it, it is a screening tool."
"You have my resume and my application, that is all you need."
"OK, sir, have a nice day."
"What, no interview?"
"No, you didn't want to take the test."
"OK then, I'll take it."
"No, sir, we are done here. You have just shown me what kind of employee you will be."
"I came here to talk about a $30K job!"
"Well, you had your chance, goodbye."
"THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME!"
"Thanks for wasting mine."

AZD's dialog was good. Gmajor - why are you arguing with us????

Suggestion: You need to learn to keep your mouth shut!!! Smile, be pleasant, and go along for the ride (even if you don't like the ride) - because that ride might take you to the destination you want.

gmajor7th in 13th Colony, New Jersey said: Hmm, where have I heard that line before? Am I supposed to be impressed because they are Physicians? Don't tell me, you are a recruiter? That will make my day....

Wow, you're a sharp one aren't you. No worries, it appears you are getting exactly what you deserve . . .

Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida said: AZD's dialog was good. Gmajor - why are you arguing with us????

Suggestion: You need to learn to keep your mouth shut!!! Smile, be pleasant, and go along for the ride (even if you don't like the ride) - because that ride might take you to the destination you want.

I'm not arguting, I'm just speaking the truth. Recruiters of a feather stick together I suppose? If recruiters are involved with any roads or destinations, it's only to hell, and naturally paved with good intentions aka "bogus postings".

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Wow, you're a sharp one aren't you. No worries, it appears you are getting exactly what you deserve . . .

Well, a G Major 7th is G-B-D-F#, so you are correct in that aspect. I guess if the Physicians are not from this country then they may need a recruiter to get their foot in the door, and get underpaid. However it's a exclusive/limited field, and placement shouldn't be that difficult, so again, not too impressed.

There are ethical, honorable, and moral recruiters. However, the bad apples taint the good unfortunately, because lack of money is the root of all evil. Money is what many drives people to do/act unprofessionally and hence not give a formal rejection letter or even an "email." Also, it does NOT matter if there were 4000 resumes, each person deserves a status note/email/letter etc... If people are willing to draw a resume, then at least have the courtesy to respond either in the affirmative or negative. when a slimy mortgage wants its' "money," they do not say we're dealing wtih 2 million other people, and cannot be bothered; they will find you and contact you vigorously--telephonically, letters, emailings, etc...Most american people only do the bare minimum to get by--that is the USA generation x-er mentality. that is why USA is a sinking ship in the job world and people justify unprofessional behavior with lame excuses etc...."too busy", not "enough help" etc.... all lame excuses. If you are honorable, ethical, professional, and moral, it may take extra time but YOU WILL respond. However, I am dinosaur and the imbeciles hijacked the hiring process.

In the famous book Nickel and DImed, Barbara Ehrenreit (sp) states that American jobs are ALL about happy go lucky, attitudes, perky etc.... and NOTHING to do with substance/merit. Hence, the statement by that "recruiter" regarding you asserting your right and asking a legitimate question. Most are sheeple. Good job holding that "recruiter" to task.

bryan in Los Angeles, California said: There are ethical, honorable, and moral recruiters. However, the bad apples taint the good unfortunately, because lack of money is the root of all evil. Money is what many drives people to do/act unprofessionally and hence not give a formal rejection letter or even an "email." Also, it does NOT matter if there were 4000 resumes, each person deserves a status note/email/letter etc... If people are willing to draw a resume, then at least have the courtesy to respond either in the affirmative or negative. when a slimy mortgage wants its' "money," they do not say we're dealing wtih 2 million other people, and cannot be bothered; they will find you and contact you vigorously--telephonically, letters, emailings, etc...Most american people only do the bare minimum to get by--that is the USA generation x-er mentality. that is why USA is a sinking ship in the job world and people justify unprofessional behavior with lame excuses etc...."too busy", not "enough help" etc.... all lame excuses. If you are honorable, ethical, professional, and moral, it may take extra time but YOU WILL respond. However, I am dinosaur and the imbeciles hijacked the hiring process.

In the famous book Nickel and DImed, Barbara Ehrenreit (sp) states that American jobs are ALL about happy go lucky, attitudes, perky etc.... and NOTHING to do with substance/merit. Hence, the statement by that "recruiter" regarding you asserting your right and asking a legitimate question. Most are sheeple. Good job holding that "recruiter" to task.

Thank you, somone agrees with my train of thought. It's about respect, something that is greatly missed in this job market. Since the market is flooded with new prospects, employers and HRs treat them like garbage. I took a stand and it felt good, and I'd do it again.

gmajor7th in 13th Colony, New Jersey said: Well, a G Major 7th is G-B-D-F#, so you are correct in that aspect. I guess if the Physicians are not from this country then they may need a recruiter to get their foot in the door, and get underpaid. However it's a exclusive/limited field, and placement shouldn't be that difficult, so again, not too impressed.

It's pretty obvious why you're unemployed. Like I said, you're getting what you deserve. You should keep with your plan though. It seems to working well for you . . .

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: It's pretty obvious why you're unemployed. Like I said, you're getting what you deserve. You should keep with your plan though. It seems to working well for you . . .

I'm no Physician(such as the underpaid ones) nor a Psychologist, but do I detect sarcasm? So a person who dedicated his life to his craft deserves to be unemployed? Recruiters are a waste of time and tend to spout non-sense, and they are doing well since it's open season on "new prospects".

I'm without work due to a number of factors(economy, race, overqualified, etc), but surely not due to magical Recruitment agencies who are scammers. If you like to throw numbers around so much Mr. Stats, I placed myself on 17 interviews and 4 offers right out of college(10 month search), and without the aid of Fraud Agencies.

However the economy was different in 2005, and now companies are undercutting to save money, which is a pure fact.

bryan in Los Angeles, California said: There are ethical, honorable, and moral recruiters. However, the bad apples taint the good unfortunately, because lack of money is the root of all evil. Money is what many drives people to do/act unprofessionally and hence not give a formal rejection letter or even an "email." Also, it does NOT matter if there were 4000 resumes, each person deserves a status note/email/letter etc... If people are willing to draw a resume, then at least have the courtesy to respond either in the affirmative or negative. when a slimy mortgage wants its' "money," they do not say we're dealing wtih 2 million other people, and cannot be bothered; they will find you and contact you vigorously--telephonically, letters, emailings, etc...Most american people only do the bare minimum to get by--that is the USA generation x-er mentality. that is why USA is a sinking ship in the job world and people justify unprofessional behavior with lame excuses etc...."too busy", not "enough help" etc.... all lame excuses. If you are honorable, ethical, professional, and moral, it may take extra time but YOU WILL respond. However, I am dinosaur and the imbeciles hijacked the hiring process.

In the famous book Nickel and DImed, Barbara Ehrenreit (sp) states that American jobs are ALL about happy go lucky, attitudes, perky etc.... and NOTHING to do with substance/merit. Hence, the statement by that "recruiter" regarding you asserting your right and asking a legitimate question. Most are sheeple. Good job holding that "recruiter" to task.

You're right. No matter how many applicants there are, they do all deserve some sort of notification as to the status of a filled position. Unfortunately, these days it's usually a form-letter email. Sometimes when a search involves fewer applicants, I'll call them personally.

gmajor7th in 13th Colony, New Jersey said: I'm no Physician(such as the underpaid ones) nor a Psychologist, but do I detect sarcasm? So a person who dedicated his life to his craft deserves to be unemployed? Recruiters are a waste of time and tend to spout non-sense, and they are doing well since it's open season on "new prospects".

I'm without work due to a number of factors(economy, race, overqualified, etc), but surely not due to magical Recruitment agencies who are scammers. If you like to throw numbers around so much Mr. Stats, I placed myself on 17 interviews and 4 offers right out of college(10 month search), and without the aid of Fraud Agencies.

However the economy was different in 2005, and now companies are undercutting to save money, which is a pure fact.

Hey, I agree that there are a ton of fraud agencies out there. I'm a corporate recruiter working directly for a large health group and I get calls from these goons all day long trying to present me their candidates. The sad thing is that they troll the internet looking for candidates and then call them up promising this and that. What the poor candidates don't realize is that these search firms charge the employer as much as $25,000 to $30,000 to place them. I've had to pass over good candidates because we're just not willing to pay that kind of money at this time. I advise any prospective applicants to RUN from these agencies. Many times these firms will lie about positions just so they can present you around while looking for job orders.

I'm sorry but I just don't want to be lumped in with search firms . . .

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Hey, I agree that there are a ton of fraud agencies out there. I'm a corporate recruiter working directly for a large health group and I get calls from these goons all day long trying to present me their candidates. The sad thing is that they troll the internet looking for candidates and then call them up promising this and that. What the poor candidates don't realize is that these search firms charge the employer as much as $25,000 to $30,000 to place them. I've had to pass over good candidates because we're just not willing to pay that kind of money at this time. I advise any prospective applicants to RUN from these agencies. Many times these firms will lie about positions just so they can present you around while looking for job orders.

I'm sorry but I just don't want to be lumped in with search firms . . .

Okay, I see where you are coming from, I just get passionate at times about certain topics, so you don't deserve my sarcasm and such. I've actually had pleasant feedback from corporate recruiters for firms in the NE, and even though it doesn't go my way, they keep my posted, which is really what this is all about.

Actually a corporate recruiter a few years ago got me a position at an Ivy League Uni, but I turned it down since it was a 6 month contract, lesson learned I suppose.

A thought I have on this topic is I believe that your resume is merely a piece of direct mail advertising. The recruiter or prospective employer owes you nothing, not even courtesy, unless you personally and physically put it into the recruiter's hand. This means you must establish value with each other before the paper exchange ever takes place.

If you cannot establish this mutual value, then look elsewhere. Fraudulent, misleading advertising is rampant. Check out the company and the recruiter on this forum and even www.rip-off Report.com before you waste yourself.

A few posts back, someone mentioned that an employer might pass over a job seeker because a recruiter has a hand out for a large fee. If you do your footwork to establish the credibility and value of a recruiter, you might avoid being trapped dealing with sleezeballs.

I cannot believe whatsoever that the hiring company could not automatically generate a rejection/status email when the hiring is completed. Remember that all the resumes are in electronic form and the email address is an independent field. Every job post corresponds to a record in the database. When the hiring is completed, the Hire_Completed flag is set to ‘Y’. All the resumes that are applied for this job should be automatically picked up by a batch job (which can run once a day) and sent a status report to the email addressee when Hire_Completed=’Y’.

They are automating so many things; this simple rejection/status email cannot be automatically generated?

The media and government are very quick to disperse billions to billionaires, obsessing over rock and rollers, and failed american car companies that continually produce poor quality cars; however, when it comes to simply protecting employees' rights, they are either non-existent or the "rules"/"laws" are heavily favored towards the employer/business/company/hospital, etc....
As Marie P. stated, a simple computer generation via mail or email of either yes or no, or debating, would certainly suffice, rather than the typical passive aggressive approach that many "companies" still embrace--no response.

PACS, special interests, lobbying, yes men, etc... have hijacked the american work force, and what is left is a rotting carcass with vultures and parasites inhabiting many of these corporations and luring those to these festering companies where one toils day in/out for nothing. Soul less. Controlled dying.

What I don't like is that some (not all) recruiters think they are entitled to more respect than job hunters. I am sorry but respect works both ways and recruiters do not deserve any more respect than any other person. People in recruiting positions should be kind and courteous as soon as someone walks through their doors for assistance.

I am the GM of a very popular restaurant, I have people walk in everyday and fill out applications. I do not post ads. I do not feel that we owe them a "THANKS, BUT NO THANKS" because I am not soliciting for a position.
There is NOTHING WORSE than someone who is looking for the manager to check up on an application they dropped off. If we are interested we will call you.

Those who sit for an interview at a company, should get an email, letter, or phone message stating their status after a reasonable length of time (~2-3weeks). It IS common professional courtesy. We know many americans are too busy watching imbeciles hit balls, gorging fast food, reading adult comic books (magazines), obsessing over pop stars, throwing parades, or looking for their next orgasm; however, to then proclaim that one cannot/does not have time to respond to an applicant is disgraceful and sends a very clear message as to the professionalism of that company.

B Paul in Kaneohe, Hawaii said: I am the GM of a very popular restaurant, I have people walk in everyday and fill out applications. I do not post ads. I do not feel that we owe them a "THANKS, BUT NO THANKS" because I am not soliciting for a position.
There is NOTHING WORSE than someone who is looking for the manager to check up on an application they dropped off. If we are interested we will call you.

While this might be the norm in your industry it is not the norm in other environments. It is only right for a hiring manager to communicate something no matter how little to a perspective employee. It does not take any time at all to reach out to a candidate with an e-mail or a quick phone call to let them know where they stand in the process. While this call might not be what the potential candidate wanted to hear it is better then nothing at all.

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Hey, I agree that there are a ton of fraud agencies out there. I'm a corporate recruiter working directly for a large health group and I get calls from these goons all day long trying to present me their candidates. The sad thing is that they troll the internet looking for candidates and then call them up promising this and that. What the poor candidates don't realize is that these search firms charge the employer as much as $25,000 to $30,000 to place them. I've had to pass over good candidates because we're just not willing to pay that kind of money at this time. I advise any prospective applicants to RUN from these agencies. Many times these firms will lie about positions just so they can present you around while looking for job orders.

I'm sorry but I just don't want to be lumped in with search firms . . .

Search firms in premise are not designed for companies with sophisticated hiring practices. Coming to a company who has a grounded and successful recruiting team and then trying to quote fee's that would normally be reserved for the premise of "in place of" or "replacing" that recruiting team is not the sign of a great sales person or recruiter.

Also if you like a great candidate and are willing to pay some sort of fee yet pass on the candidate because the initial "out of the gate quote" you might remember everything is negotiable. Ultimately the recruiters job is get a result for both the Client (Company) and the Candidate (Job Seeker). It does cost money to source candidates (if you work for a reputable firm) and they should still be compensated to some degree.

In reference to "presenting you around". Any good sale/recruiter will do everything in their power to get a candidate some options. Reaching out to existing clients and anyone who might hire a candidate with the background being presented. Getting a good candidate a job is how they get paid.

FYI-I do call or e-mail back anyone that is interviewed. When you deal with the masses, people can get lost in the shuffle. Usually restaurant managers are overworked and have a ton of responsibility, unless you have someone that is taking excellent notes and adequate time speaking to each applicant (longer you spend with them the more chance you have of remembering them)it doesn't matter how professional you are, some people may not receive the 'thanks, no thanks call or e-mail.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Good clue, though, about how these entities may treat a person OTJ.

This statement is absolutely true. Remember as a perspective employee you are interviewing them (agencies, corporations, ect..) just as much as they are you.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: You bet. Something candidates don't always consider, or learn the hard way through experience.

It's amazing what one can learn about a company through the interview process. How one is treated upon arrival. If the interviewer(s) meet with you promptly or are late. Excuses and/or apologies for being late. Being sandbagged regarding testing. Followups, or lack thereof. Etc.

HR is really how you judge a company, if HR is slacking, then perhaps it's better the employee find a better position. If companies can't even muster communications during the interview process, then that is a small sign of things to come once you begin to work there.

I've had numerous interviews with a company face-to-face a few times and never heard back from them, and that was over a year ago.

Just goes to show, corporate != class by any means.

Staffing Guru in Somewhere out there, California said: While this might be the norm in your industry it is not the norm in other environments. It is only right for a hiring manager to communicate something no matter how little to a perspective employee. It does not take any time at all to reach out to a candidate with an e-mail or a quick phone call to let them know where they stand in the process. While this call might not be what the potential candidate wanted to hear it is better then nothing at all.

I remember when I was unemployed for awhile and no one would get back to me after going on actual job interviews. I would get the occasional rejection letter in the mail.

But, I remember 1 employer who actually called me to tell me after I went thru the interview process that I didn't get the job. I thought that was really professional on their part. To them it was just normal, but to me it was really classy.

Staffing Guru in Somewhere out there, California said: This statement is absolutely true. Remember as a perspective employee you are interviewing them (agencies, corporations, ect..) just as much as they are you.

Employers don't see it that way, even though they should.

I wonder if employers treated potential candidates back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's better than today?

deansuraci in Cornwall, New York said: I wonder if employers treated potential candidates back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's better than today?

When I got my very first job (Equitable Life Insurance, part time, Flint, Michigan) - I got it through a placement agency. I paid $40.00 to the agency. It was 1975. The agency was in a two room dumpy office in downtown Flint.

I took a test and was called back for an interview with Sears 2 weeks ago. They acted like they wanted to hire me. Then at the end they said they had to be fair to all the people who applied and interview all of them. I did not hear another thing from them and a couple days ago I saw the job re-posted.

Real Tech in Willis, Texas said: I took a test and was called back for an interview with Sears 2 weeks ago. They acted like they wanted to hire me. Then at the end they said they had to be fair to all the people who applied and interview all of them. I did not hear another thing from them and a couple days ago I saw the job re-posted.

Sorry to hear that, but that normally means they passed over you(otherwise they would have hired you). I've been given this treatment as well on the interviews, but keep searching...

Many of these "job openings" are nothing more than a sham. They either hire internally or hire based on nepotism or cronyism, or to comply with the copious government involvement regarding jobs. As for "unsolicited" resumes, most will be thrown out by the a 20 something lazy gum chewer/hair twirler. The "others" will be thrown out by a 20 something lazy gum chewer/hair twirler. There is no difference, because the system is rigged.

So as we toil and tire away checking and triple for typos, thick paper, wasting gas driving to "staged"/formality "interviews" and all that nonsense; the resume'/"job" listings are useless, because the game is mostly rigged and results in nothing more adult hoop jumping and the dog/pony show to comply with regulations to submit resumes that go into the abyiss when either the "job" did not exist or they already have 1-2 people in mind (related by blood, or buddy system in effect. )

Brian - you're right on target. It didn't used to be that way. Most jobs are hired by network (buddy system).

There are A VERY FEW jobs that where they are actually hiring from the interview system, and their first look at you determines whether they are interested in you or not (like a date) before they have even started the actual interview.

I still remember one interview I had last year for a paralegal position, and I had to "push" to get the interview. It was a good 40 minutes away (one end of town to the other). I did my very nice thank you for the interview - and got a response by e-mail, "another candidate has been selected." And all I could think of what the gas I used - 40 minutes one way is 80 minutes - and that gas could have lasted me all week and more if I hadn't wasted it on that interview. When you're unemployed, the gas you waste really matters.

Thank you Mary; and g-d bless. I come from a hard working family, believe in being ethical and taking pride in a job well done and have vast experiences and accomplishments. . However, those skill sets/professional accutrements are no longer needed in the vast majority of american "jobs."

Rather, cronyism, buddyism, nepotism, and having the right last name is what matters. Period. When you are struggling and have no employment due to no fault of your own, wear/tear on car, gasoline prices, time wasted on rigged "interviews"--(AKA, dog/pony show), etc... really adds up. Every penny, every nickel adds up---from thick resume paper, to stamps, food, gasoline, oil changes, driving here/there/everywhere for a hoop jumping contest when the "job" either is a sham or they already have 1-2 people who were hand-selected--the employment pogo stick is mostly a rigged game.

Approach to interviews are having NO EXPECTATIONS whatsoever. I realized full well that the suit, tie, polished shoes, PC comments, "nervousness" before the interview," researching 2-3 hours about company etc... was a complete waste. Now, we approach "interviews" much differently----no expectations realize that truly professional companies, who truly interview applicants for real, available, positions are a rarity--akin to the blue-footed booby in the Galapagos.

No you are not crazy the same thing is going on in Waukegan, now the new requirements is Spanish,

nik van in Tallahassee, Florida said: losing_faith in Orlando, Florida: I have been facing similar issues, the worst thing the employers and recruiters do is not update the website once a job is filled or cancelled. I have been applying for 5 jobs in qualcomm for last one year wihtout any response and the posiition is still open. I have started calling whenever possible to find out if the jobs posted are open and more ofetn then not the jobs are already filled. It is so frustrating to find a job u like and then after all the form filling process you come to know the job does not exists. I have a phd and yet i cannot get a job...i really dont know what else I can do.

I have been looking for a job for 6 weeks now. Many have not had the manners to get back to me. I leave a massage on the answer phoneNADA! IT is like Hello! I am interested It is rude and frankly I would not want to work for such a careless employer. I have had some interviews but no offers yet. I find it annoying when i am repying to an ad on the web and they do not bother to reply. I am not doing this for fun you know!I have tried an agency but they had no vacancies well why advertise then !

I feel exactly the same, and it can be really demoralising, because it makes you wonder if all the jobs have already been taken before they even advertised them. you should take advantage of interactive cv/resume websites that give you the opportunity to network and promote your skills. I joined a site called globeupload in may and since then people have contacted me, and i have secure two projects, and it's great because I feel, that for them to contact me, they must be serious. It's a very new site, but it's got so much potential.

[Thank you, I'm going to try this globeupload