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JobSearcher84 in Atlanta, Georgia

21 months ago

I think I'm just gonna find a spot under a bridge or a van down by the river.

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John in Catonsville, Maryland

21 months ago

Short answer, yes. Years ago.....

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JobSearcher84 in Atlanta, Georgia

21 months ago

It's sad because when I went to the DOL one of the specialists was telling me that an employer told her that sometimes they just ask for the 1st 25 applicants. So even if someone had experience, if they were applicant 26th, they are pretty much outta luck. Then I come on here, get excited about a job I see, until I see how many people viewed it....

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Dog_Guy in Miami, Florida

21 months ago

yes, I've been looking for a good hole to hide in

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Dog_Guy in Miami, Florida

21 months ago

JobSearcher84 in Atlanta, Georgia said: It's sad because when I went to the DOL one of the specialists was telling me that an employer told her that sometimes they just ask for the 1st 25 applicants. So even if someone had experience, if they were applicant 26th, they are pretty much outta luck. Then I come on here, get excited about a job I see, until I see how many people viewed it....

I ran in to that with Southwest airlines, the job was posted for a short time, then poof...gone, through the grapevine I heard they were taking only the first 35.

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beginagainla in Los Angeles, California

21 months ago

I come to the forums of Indeed.com to read posts from people all over the U.S. sharing their frustrations. This is enough for me not to give up hope. While I am wiser about identifying which opportunities to give up on, I haven't given up hope altogether.

I am hopeful that one of these dense interviewers will like my hair, shoes, smile enough to hire me. Evidently they aren't the least bit interested in my job experience or ability to actually perform the job.

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JobSearcher84 in Atlanta, Georgia

21 months ago

I'm sorry I wasn't trying to be a downer or a negative nancy. I realize we have enough of these threads. Wished I had never commented. Just sad and tired.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

21 months ago

beginagainla in Los Angeles, California said: I come to the forums of Indeed.com to read posts from people all over the U.S. sharing their frustrations. This is enough for me not to give up hope. While I am wiser about identifying which opportunities to give up on, I haven't given up hope altogether.

I am hopeful that one of these dense interviewers will like my hair, shoes, smile enough to hire me. Evidently they aren't the least bit interested in my job experience or ability to actually perform the job.

What is it you do?

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Nick in Rahway, New Jersey

21 months ago

In 4 months, the lease on my apartment expires. After that, I can technically move anywhere I want, or anywhere my company wants me. I don't particularly WANT to leave this area, but if my company gives me a good incentive to move, I probably will.

All that being said, I can say that with now 7 months experience "on the inside" seeing how this company handles its HR needs, I can still see that people with jobs hold on for dear life, and people looking to get in have very little chance of doing so. My particular department has generations of people already working there, who are looking to move up and can't not because they're not qualified but because there are no spots. Once a spot opens, it usually goes to an internal candidate, and there are usually several internals applying. Someone on the outside virtually has no chance. I wonder how many other companies are like that.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

21 months ago

Almost a done deal now Nick...the Whole Foods distributor is building a warehouse up here in NY. About 45 minutes from Paramus.

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Bluetea in Texas

21 months ago

Nick in Rahway, New Jersey said: In 4 months, the lease on my apartment expires. After that, I can technically move anywhere I want, or anywhere my company wants me. I don't particularly WANT to leave this area, but if my company gives me a good incentive to move, I probably will.

All that being said, I can say that with now 7 months experience "on the inside" seeing how this company handles its HR needs, I can still see that people with jobs hold on for dear life, and people looking to get in have very little chance of doing so. My particular department has generations of people already working there, who are looking to move up and can't not because they're not qualified but because there are no spots. Once a spot opens, it usually goes to an internal candidate, and there are usually several internals applying. Someone on the outside virtually has no chance. I wonder how many other companies are like that.

All of them. Jobs are created in only two ways: Growth and Replacement. Both sides of job creation are stuck. Replacement means movement and its structural. There is very little of that going on for the reasons that you mentioned.

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Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland

21 months ago

JobSearcher84 in Atlanta, Georgia said: It's sad because when I went to the DOL one of the specialists was telling me that an employer told her that sometimes they just ask for the 1st 25 applicants. So even if someone had experience, if they were applicant 26th, they are pretty much outta luck. Then I come on here, get excited about a job I see, until I see how many people viewed it....

One of the biggest myths is that employers are interested in hiring the most talented person. The reality is that most hiring is done for reasons other than knowledge and intelligence. I find it completely unsurprising that an employer would just look at the first N applications and ignore all the rest.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

21 months ago

Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland said: One of the biggest myths is that employers are interested in hiring the most talented person. The reality is that most hiring is done for reasons other than knowledge and intelligence. I find it completely unsurprising that an employer would just look at the first N applications and ignore all the rest.

Name the top 3 reasons.

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Experienced Seeker in Schaumburg, Illinois

21 months ago

Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland said: One of the biggest myths is that employers are interested in hiring the most talented person. The reality is that most hiring is done for reasons other than knowledge and intelligence. I find it completely unsurprising that an employer would just look at the first N applications and ignore all the rest.

Depends on the situation, but yeah, there is some truth to that. The further up the career ladder I get, the more "fit" type questions I get asked rather than knowledge/skill based questions in interviews. My last interview was lots of "describe a time when you had to resolve conflict with a peer" type questions. I can be great at resolving conflict, all while never accomplishing anything. Which can be frustrating, because my skills are what got me to where I'm at.

I also know as a manager who has made some hiring mistakes in the past that no matter how smart and talented an individual is, it does not compensate if they are a total a-hole and make your team dynamic a complete mess.

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Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland

21 months ago

Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York said: Name the top 3 reasons.

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1. Closely-related experience
2. Closely-related experience
3. Closely-related experience

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

21 months ago

Nick in Rahway, New Jersey said: In 4 months, the lease on my apartment expires. After that, I can technically move anywhere I want, or anywhere my company wants me. I don't particularly WANT to leave this area, but if my company gives me a good incentive to move, I probably will.

All that being said, I can say that with now 7 months experience "on the inside" seeing how this company handles its HR needs, I can still see that people with jobs hold on for dear life, and people looking to get in have very little chance of doing so. My particular department has generations of people already working there, who are looking to move up and can't not because they're not qualified but because there are no spots. Once a spot opens, it usually goes to an internal candidate, and there are usually several internals applying. Someone on the outside virtually has no chance. I wonder how many other companies are like that.

Politics. I see it at the Gulag as well. Being that the Gulag is a union ship intensifies it all.

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JobSearcher84 in Atlanta, Georgia

21 months ago

Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland said: One of the biggest myths is that employers are interested in hiring the most talented person. The reality is that most hiring is done for reasons other than knowledge and intelligence. I find it completely unsurprising that an employer would just look at the first N applications and ignore all the rest.

Yea one of the guys in my resume workshop class said he was able to score a job interview with a popular software company because the lady told him he went to the same college her boyfriend did....

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beginagainla in Bakersfield, California

21 months ago

A fellow applicant on my last job interview told me she knew someone who helped get two of her relatives in. Oh, how I wanted to ask, "Specifically, what do you mean by 'helped'?"

@JobSearcher - "Knowledge and intelligence" can actually cost you the job with some interviewers. More often than not, I think mirroring, as much as possible, the interviewer is important. Individuality has long been a negative in the workplace. They are imagining how you would fit in with the others. That's what it's about in a nutshell -- how well you fit in.

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Average in Medford, Massachusetts

21 months ago

Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland said: One of the biggest myths is that employers are interested in hiring the most talented person. The reality is that most hiring is done for reasons other than knowledge and intelligence. I find it completely unsurprising that an employer would just look at the first N applications and ignore all the rest.
By looking at where you went to school, where you interned, and where you worked in the past is how employers measure talent and intelligence. These metrics aren't perfect but they work for them in the majority of cases.

beginagainla in Bakersfield, California said: A fellow applicant on my last job interview told me she knew someone who helped get two of her relatives in. Oh, how I wanted to ask, "Specifically, what do you mean by 'helped'?"

@JobSearcher - "Knowledge and intelligence" can actually cost you the job with some interviewers. More often than not, I think mirroring, as much as possible, the interviewer is important. Individuality has long been a negative in the workplace. They are imagining how you would fit in with the others. That's what it's about in a nutshell -- how well you fit in.

The problem with the advice out there that advises job-seekers to stand out is that by standing out, job seekers don't fit in.

Outliers don't fit in. They either have to be up and out: promoted or fired.

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Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland

21 months ago

Average in Medford, Massachusetts said: By looking at where you went to school, where you interned, and where you worked in the past is how employers measure talent and intelligence. These metrics aren't perfect but they work for them in the majority of cases.

That would be an incredibly inaccurate way of judging talent and intelligence. Not that most employers care anyway. I applied for around 700 jobs and only 2 employers asked for my college transcripts.

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beginagainla in Bakersfield, California

21 months ago

@Jeff - My most recent interview asked for diplomas/degrees. They didn't want transcripts.

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Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland

21 months ago

beginagainla in Bakersfield, California said: @Jeff - My most recent interview asked for diplomas/degrees. They didn't want transcripts.

They probably were just looking for proof of degrees.

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Bluetea in Texas

21 months ago

beginagainla in Bakersfield, California said: A fellow applicant on my last job interview told me she knew someone who helped get two of her relatives in. Oh, how I wanted to ask, "Specifically, what do you mean by 'helped'?"

@JobSearcher - "Knowledge and intelligence" can actually cost you the job with some interviewers. More often than not, I think mirroring, as much as possible, the interviewer is important. Individuality has long been a negative in the workplace. They are imagining how you would fit in with the others. That's what it's about in a nutshell -- how well you fit in.

When you fill out an online app, look for this question: "Do you have friends or relatives who work here?" I think the answer to this is interpreted differently today.

Last week, a Wall Street Journal article said that 80% of all jobs are never advertised! I don't know if it is this high but I haven't gotten jobs because I knew someone who knew someone.

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Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland

21 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: Last week, a Wall Street Journal article said that 80% of all jobs are never advertised! I don't know if it is this high but I haven't gotten jobs because I knew someone who knew someone.

That seems to be a commonly cited percentage on the Internet. Just more proof that employers hire the person who's easiest to hire (someone who knows someone who works for the company) rather than trying to find the most able candidate.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

21 months ago

Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland said: That seems to be a commonly cited percentage on the Internet. Just more proof that employers hire the person who's easiest to hire (someone who knows someone who works for the company) rather than trying to find the most able candidate.

Don't you have a Data Center to run?

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Bluetea in Texas

21 months ago

Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland said: That seems to be a commonly cited percentage on the Internet. Just more proof that employers hire the person who's easiest to hire (someone who knows someone who works for the company) rather than trying to find the most able candidate.

I believe that is true.

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Bluetea in Texas

21 months ago

Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York said: Don't you have a Data Center to run?

Hey, shouldn't you be at the library, frightening little children?

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

21 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: Hey, shouldn't you be at the library, frightening little children?

Your funny.

I actually do have to go there to fax something.

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Amarie Bell in Pensacola, Florida

21 months ago

Honestly, I feel like giving up but I know I can't.

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

21 months ago

Jeff in Hyattsville, Maryland said: That seems to be a commonly cited percentage on the Internet. Just more proof that employers hire the person who's easiest to hire (someone who knows someone who works for the company) rather than trying to find the most able candidate.

Agree 100%.

We've all felt like giving up at various points. Take a break. Do something else. Go outside for a walk or work out. That's probably the best thing to do. And then come back refreshed. You can't really job search every day on the internet. We all know this.

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Bluetea in Texas

21 months ago

Amarie Bell in Pensacola, Florida said: Honestly, I feel like giving up but I know I can't.

What you need to do is take a week off, every now and then. Job searching is one of the most tiresome, unrewarding things you can do.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

21 months ago

Amarie Bell in Pensacola, Florida said: Honestly, I feel like giving up but I know I can't.

Everyone feels the same.

If you need a shoulder I'm here!

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

21 months ago

Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York said: Everyone feels the same.

If you need a shoulder I'm here!

Shoulder? My @ss!!

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YourCalIisBeingRedirected in SomewhereOverTheRainbow, Kentucky

21 months ago

Job searching has become an OCD for me.

On another note, GO CARDS!!!!! (Louisville) :)

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

21 months ago

YourCalIisBeingRedirected in SomewhereOverTheRainbow, Kentucky said: Job searching has become an OCD for me.

On another note, GO CARDS!!!!! (Louisville) :)

Me too! When I do finally get a job I'll need a new set of eyes because of all the hours looking at the computer for a job.

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YourCalIisBeingRedirected in SomewhereOverTheRainbow, Kentucky

21 months ago

Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York said: Me too! When I do finally get a job I'll need a new set of eyes because of all the hours looking at the computer for a job.

I think those of us who are long term job seekers, would be AWESOME working and helping at the local DOL!!

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Jordan in Tampa, Florida

20 months ago

If I were an employer I would hire ONLY the long-term unemployed. No one is going to be more grateful for the job, or more loyal to you because you gave them the job.

I just got a job after 15 months of searching, many fruitless interviews, and a lot of disappointment and difficulty.

I'm so grateful I got the job that I've been getting to work before my boss. I was 20 minutes early today.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

20 months ago

Jordan in Tampa, Florida said: If I were an employer I would hire ONLY the long-term unemployed. No one is going to be more grateful for the job, or more loyal to you because you gave them the job.

I just got a job after 15 months of searching, many fruitless interviews, and a lot of disappointment and difficulty.

I'm so grateful I got the job that I've been getting to work before my boss. I was 20 minutes early today.

Discriminating against the employed. That would be a first!

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beginagainla in Bakersfield, California

20 months ago

YourCalIisBeingRedirected in SomewhereOverTheRainbow, Kentucky said: I think those of us who are long term job seekers, would be AWESOME working and helping at the local DOL!!

Odd you should say that because working with the long-term unemployed is something that's really appealing to me now. The longer you're out of work, the longer you have to explore options you never considered before. These Worksource centers are staffed with people who don't know the first thing about the economy or pounding the pavement in THIS economy. Being unemployed for AT LEAST a year should be a prerequisite for all job counseling, job training, and HR positions.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

20 months ago

beginagainla in Bakersfield, California said: These Worksource centers are staffed with people who don't know the first thing about the economy or pounding the pavement in THIS economy. Being unemployed for AT LEAST a year should be a prerequisite for all job counseling, job training, and HR positions.

We pay for those DOL and Workforce One centers. What a joke.

Up here, they walk around all day with their coffee mugs cause they have no work to do.

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YourCalIisBeingRedirected in SomewhereOverTheRainbow, Kentucky

20 months ago

Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York said: We pay for those DOL and Workforce One centers. What a joke.

Up here, they walk around all day with their coffee mugs cause they have no work to do.

My experience with them is that they appear both arrogant and ignorant. I HATE going in there. One representative always looks like she just woke up. Her eyes make me sleepy and depressed. She is supposed to be a career counselor, but she is draining and doesn't know what she's doing. In addition, her personal appearance or lack thereof, would not be tolerated in any professional job that I know of. Oh well.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

20 months ago

YourCalIisBeingRedirected in SomewhereOverTheRainbow, Kentucky said: My experience with them is that they appear both arrogant and ignorant. I HATE going in there. One representative always looks like she just woke up. Her eyes make me sleepy and depressed. She is supposed to be a career counselor, but she is draining and doesn't know what she's doing. In addition, her personal appearance or lack thereof, would not be tolerated in any professional job that I know of. Oh well.

You can add my experience to that as well. Also, any back to work public assistance social agencies like Goodwill,AmericaWorks,Fedcaps, etc. This is where your hard earned tax dollars go. To paper pushing INDIFFERENT drones who eat up your $ yet do absolutely nothing to help you.They do more harm than good, with their negative and berating attitude. Some of them seem to get off on being mean spirited and arrogant. Many are former welfare recipients themselves, but they're so much better than you and me now. yea. ok. whatever.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

20 months ago

They're like those inbred freaks in the movie The Hills Have Eyes.

If I could I would sterilize each and every one of them....(nasty mothers..)

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YourCalIisBeingRedirected in SomewhereOverTheRainbow, Kentucky

20 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: They're like those inbred freaks in the movie The Hills Have Eyes.

If I could I would sterilize each and every one of them....(nasty mothers..)

You are too funny, and too correct!! I agree with Parafreegal, who either mentioned in this heading or another, something to the effect about your post(s) being basically, spot on.

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

20 months ago

I'd rather die laughing than in misery.

But think about it: it's a paradox to have reject freaks...ghouls..!..working with the unemployed. It's a dark farce. You mean to imply the Titans..the Masters of the (Working) Universe...the "Gods" of this society..place me on the same level as those creatures of Hades..... (Really??)

I think not..I refuse this.

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YourCalIisBeingRedirected in SomewhereOverTheRainbow, Kentucky

20 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: I'd rather die laughing than in misery.

But think about it: it's a paradox to have reject freaks...ghouls..!..working with the unemployed. It's a dark farce. You mean to imply the Titans..the Masters of the (Working) Universe...the "Gods" of this society..place me on the same level as those creatures of Hades..... (Really??)

I think not..I refuse this.

We need a Fan & Fave button on this site!!

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Grant013 in Astoria, New York

20 months ago

...Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

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Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York

20 months ago

Grant013 in Astoria, New York said: in NYC too. And they're all just ugly people. Severely overweight, bad clothes, bad teeth, smell.can't speak proper English, gum chewing snifflers like they're all on dope or something.They're always eating like pigs at their desk.

They're sub-par sub-human bottom feeders.Put them in a crate and ship them to cannibal Guinea islands.

I will say up here for the most part the personnel at the DOL are good people but the problem for me is that they only have the skills to help the unskilled worker.

This is called a resume, use an objective statement, if you need to delete something use this key, sign up for Linkedln etc etc etc.

They aren't set up to help the experienced college educated.

One day I looked up their salaries under seethroughny.net not bad when u considered how little they do, 38 hr work week, and include the pension, great benefits, and low cost of living in upstate ny.

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beginagainla in Bakersfield, California

20 months ago

Joe Gagill in Monticello, New York said: They aren't set up to help the experienced college educated.

^ This is what I've noticed. They aren't set up to help people more educated than themselves, and they do feel superior because they have a job and you don't. Some people with jobs actually feel that since they are working and you are not, they automatically are experts on the subject matter. It is an absolute fact that nowadays getting a job and keeping a job has very little to do with one's intellect, education, or previous job experience.

There are no cost/low cost job training programs set up for people under the age of 24, which is a great thing. No such programs exist for people outside that age range. And in California, not only do you have to contend with those applicants on or above your level of skill, you also have students, and illegal immigrants who have all but forced all businesses to require all employees to speak Spanish. Don't get me started.

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Endoftheworld in Rocky Hill, Connecticut

20 months ago

beginagainla said: ^
There are no cost/low cost job training programs set up for people under the age of 24. No such programs exist for people outside that age range. And in Ca. not only do you have to contend with those applicants on or above your level of skill, you also have students, and illegal immigrants who have all but forced all businesses to require all employees to speak Spanish. Don't get me started.

Here they are pushing "entrepreneurship" for those who can't get jobs. There are all kinds of How to Start Your Own Business seminars, that's great if you actually have something you really want to/can do and the assumption is that everyone does.
I have many fantasy vocations like opening a vegetarian restaurant but in real life, I lack the skills, energy and drive to do it, not to mention startup funding. I like knishes and also thought of having a little cafe, Koffee & Knishes. Also a Hike and Bike shop, etc. etc. The farthest I went was to talk to this woman who was selling her consignment shop until she told me the reason she was giving it up was because it became too time consuming and she wasn't making enough $ to hire an assistant and make a profit she could live off but she'd said it be fun for someone who loves clothes/people and is just "looking for something to do" - I was like Uh, No Thanks!
Is the spanish language requirement problem really that bad there? What % of jobs have bilingual spanish preferred or required? It's probably about 5+% here. I don't recall seeing the language requirement when I was looking for work in '07 nearly as much as now and it's very frightening/sad. I am not able to learn it, have tried 3 times and I am not one of those types to "try,try until you succeed".
I don't understand why WE are forced to learn spanish and why most don't seem alarmed by this? I can see the non-spanish speaking people eventually only being able to work cleaning or landscaping jobs...

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