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Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: Am I wrong? This isn't how businesses make their profits?

I love the way you separate it as "comparing MLM's with a legitimate business". So you are essential saying that ALL MLM's are scams? So you have personnally researched ALL MLM businesses and can verify this? The funny thing too is that you lump many companies into the MLM mold that are not even MLM's. I know, your way around it is to say they are, "but not in a classic sense", by redefining "MLM" to suit your need.

Most "legitimate" business make their profits off of the sale of a product or service. An exchange of goods. from "customers"

Most MLMs make their profits off their "employees", when "employeess" make up a majority of your "customers" there should be a real big red flag.

Guy in Ohio in Cleveland, Ohio said: Most "legitimate" business make their profits off of the sale of a product or service. An exchange of goods. from "customers"

Most MLMs make their profits off their "employees", when "employeess" make up a majority of your "customers" there should be a real big red flag.

Companies make their profits off of the work that their employees do. What's the difference? In both situations companies make money off of the employees, whether it be on a product or an employee's time and efforts.

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"Guy in Ohio in Cleveland, Ohio said: Okay- if I had 1 website, maybe 2, or 3 - I would believe it's the agenda of a few.

When it is MANY, MANY, MANY, websites that all say the same- then you start to believe it as fact. that my friend is research. If I found 1 that spoke to how the opposite- then I would think it might be false.[/QUOTE

You have read the same information over and over again because the information has been given so many times, on different posts, and threads. You have read this information so many times now you believe it as fact?

You reading something over and over again makes it fact? Ok, interesting concept. I've never heard this one before. Oh, and doing this makes it research too? Wow, thanks for educating me on how to do research. Boy, I feel so much more prepared now for looking out for things. If I read something over and over again it's fact, and this constitutes doing research, got it.

So I put you in a room with several business builders from the same company, that claim to be successful, and say they have lots of money. You hear this from several people over and over again, and they all say it isn't a scam. According to your theory, what they are telling you is fact, because you read or heard it many times over, and you believe it to be fact. You've also done your research......Brilliant"

I'm still waiting for you to show me where and how I've twisted your words Guy. Show me, point it out, I'm not seeing it.

"When it is MANY, MANY, MANY, websites that all say the same- then you start to believe it as fact. that my friend is research." This is what YOU said. Laughable. Where is the twisting in what I said?

"Most MLMs make their profits off their "employees", when "employeess" make up a majority of your "customers" there should be a real big red flag." According to who? You are stating an opinion. Let me guess....You have read this over and over again so it must be a fact? LOL

I'll tell you exactly why I don't list particular companies, since you both keep asking.

Bosco has already done enough damage, and irritated enough people, who are trying to build legitimate businesses. The last thing they need is for me to list specific businesses, groups, or individuals and have him go back full circle of running his mouth about his opinions about these specific companies, which he has already done. I refuse to have people get mad at me because I get Bosco started about their company/group again. It is not fair to them, and therefore, I will not do it. I also know that that is what Bosco's agenda is. He wants me to name someone or something just so he can get going again. Sorry, I'm not going to accommodate either of you.

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: "Most MLMs make their profits off their "employees", when "employeess" make up a majority of your "customers" there should be a real big red flag." According to who? You are stating an opinion. Let me guess....You have read this over and over again so it must be a fact? LOL

why don' you take your own advice and do some research on your own.

I am going to start to be like you- I will make vague statements that I will not back up under the "idea" that I don't want to rile someone up.

So- that is my research, I invite you to do your own.

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: "Most MLMs make their profits off their "employees", when "employeess" make up a majority of your "customers" there should be a real big red flag." According to who? You are stating an opinion. Let me guess....You have read this over and over again so it must be a fact? LOL

You are right - this is MY OPNION. Do YOU have one? I am willing to back up my opinion if asked ( by someone other than you).

My opinion contains thought, and i will gladly share it as a resource for anyone who is considering an MLM.

Guy in Ohio in Cleveland, Ohio said: why don' you take your own advice and do some research on your own.

I am going to start to be like you- I will make vague statements that I will not back up under the "idea" that I don't want to rile someone up.

So- that is my research, I invite you to do your own.

I tell you that I'm not going to list companies. What is "vague" about this statement?

Bosco does jump all over someone as soon as they say anything about any company that HE believes is a MLM (whether they are or not). Go research that Guy.

Take my own idea and do some research? I only research the companies that I may have an interest in, which is the only ones I need to research.

You and Bosco make claims against companies that you have not researched, and he has given false information on at least one occassion. Who needs to do the research? Not me, I'm not the one giving inaccurate information.

Good luck with your research. I understand why you are unable to find a legitimate MLM now, since your method of research is reading stuff over and over until it meets your definition of being a "fact". Good luck with that.

Guy in Ohio in Cleveland, Ohio said: You are right - this is MY OPNION. Do YOU have one? I am willing to back up my opinion if asked ( by someone other than you).

My opinion contains thought, and i will gladly share it as a resource for anyone who is considering an MLM.

By someone other than me? Boy, does that ever hurt my feelings.

Yes I have an opinion. Don't you think it is obvious what my opinions are, given this long drawn out dispute I've had with you and Bosco. Do you not see it?

I don't care about your opinion or Bosco's opinion, just as neither of you care about mine. What I do care about is false information being posted on websites about companies/groups/individuals that can ultimately influence the decision of someone. Bosco does this all the time. He gives some information that is good. But the information he gives that is inaccurate ruins his credibility. He runs his mouth to voice his opinion about MLM's, and doesn't care whether his information is true or not, just as long as he gets his opinion across, that MLM's are something to avoid. He can have his opinion, fine, but needs to present it in the proper way (which does not include giving false information).

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: I tell you that I'm not going to list companies. What is "vague" about this statement?

Bosco does jump all over someone as soon as they say anything about any company that HE believes is a MLM (whether they are or not). Go research that Guy.

Take my own idea and do some research? I only research the companies that I may have an interest in, which is the only ones I need to research.

You and Bosco make claims against companies that you have not researched, and he has given false information on at least one occassion. Who needs to do the research? Not me, I'm not the one giving inaccurate information.

Good luck with your research. I understand why you are unable to find a legitimate MLM now, since your method of research is reading stuff over and over until it meets your definition of being a "fact". Good luck with that.

yep- just keep thinking in your little shelter. I have asked, either you or anyone else, to point me to a positive MLM, or a site with positive reviews.

I am asking- no one is answering.

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: By someone other than me? Boy, does that ever hurt my feelings.

Yes I have an opinion. Don't you think it is obvious what my opinions are, given this long drawn out dispute I've had with you and Bosco. Do you not see it?

I don't care about your opinion or Bosco's opinion, just as neither of you care about mine. What I do care about is false information being posted on websites about companies/groups/individuals that can ultimately influence the decision of someone. Bosco does this all the time. He gives some information that is good. But the information he gives that is inaccurate ruins his credibility. He runs his mouth to voice his opinion about MLM's, and doesn't care whether his information is true or not, just as long as he gets his opinion across, that MLM's are something to avoid. He can have his opinion, fine, but needs to present it in the proper way (which does not include giving false information).

Your opinion clearly is that you think BOSCO runs his mouth. Other than that you have said NOTHING

www.articlesbase.com/business-articles/what-people-like-and-dislike-about-mlm-review-kings-566582.html

www.mlmreviewkings.com/

There you go Guy. Tell me that you find nothing on there......

I've also asked you how I've twisted your words, and you are yet to answer. This is the third time I've asked. Will I get a response this time? Who's not answering now?

Guy in Ohio in Cleveland, Ohio said: Your opinion clearly is that you think BOSCO runs his mouth. Other than that you have said NOTHING

I have said NOTHING? I think you need to go back and do some re-reading.

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: "Guy in Ohio in Cleveland, Ohio said: Okay- if I had 1 website, maybe 2, or 3 - I would believe it's the agenda of a few.

When it is MANY, MANY, MANY, websites that all say the same- then you start to believe it as fact. that my friend is research. If I found 1 that spoke to how the opposite- then I would think it might be false.[/QUOTE

You have read the same information over and over again because the information has been given so many times, on different posts, and threads. You have read this information so many times now you believe it as fact?

You reading something over and over again makes it fact? Ok, interesting concept. I've never heard this one before. Oh, and doing this makes it research too? Wow, thanks for educating me on how to do research. Boy, I feel so much more prepared now for looking out for things. If I read something over and over again it's fact, and this constitutes doing research, got it.

So I put you in a room with several business builders from the same company, that claim to be successful, and say they have lots of money. You hear this from several people over and over again, and they all say it isn't a scam. According to your theory, what they are telling you is fact, because you read or heard it many times over, and you believe it to be fact. You've also done your research......Brilliant"

I'm still waiting for you to show me where and how I've twisted your words Guy. Show me, point it out, I'm not seeing it.

"When it is MANY, MANY, MANY, websites that all say the same- then you start to believe it as fact. that my friend is research." This is what YOU said. Laughable. Where is the twisting in what I said?

Where is it Guy?

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: I have said NOTHING? I think you need to go back and do some re-reading.

You have spoken alot- have you rally said anything other than Don't believe BOSCO - well that's up to opinion.

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: www.articlesbase.com/business-articles/what-people-like-and-dislike-about-mlm-review-kings-566582.html

www.mlmreviewkings.com/

There you go Guy. Tell me that you find nothing on there......

I've also asked you how I've twisted your words, and you are yet to answer. This is the third time I've asked. Will I get a response this time? Who's not answering now?

you twist my words because you take 1 idea out of context and look at the individual word. You choose to analyaze word by word vs look at the big picture. Please do you research to see where this has hapened.

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: www.articlesbase.com/business-articles/what-people-like-and-dislike-about-mlm-review-kings-566582.html

www.mlmreviewkings.com/

There you go Guy. Tell me that you find nothing on there......

I've also asked you how I've twisted your words, and you are yet to answer. This is the third time I've asked. Will I get a response this time? Who's not answering now?

Thanks for the link- I will review

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: www.articlesbase.com/business-articles/what-people-like-and-dislike-about-mlm-review-kings-566582.html

www.mlmreviewkings.com/

There you go Guy. Tell me that you find nothing on there......

I've also asked you how I've twisted your words, and you are yet to answer. This is the third time I've asked. Will I get a response this time? Who's not answering now?

Okay- here is a "review" of one company from the site you mentioned:

www.mlmreviewkings.com/ascential-bioscience/

Now -It tells me about the product- which is good. FYI - I have never said MLM companies don't sell legitimate products.

What it doesn't say and this is a "review", are what are the advantages or disadvantages of working there. What is the compinsation plan? Can I jut buy this product? or do I also have to sell it?

I then clicked on this link

www.mlmreviewkings.com/category/mlm-programs-d/

which gave me a variety of reviews of companies starting with "D" again - informative, mostly product detail of what you are selling.

Some get into compinsation plan, some do not. None of them get into a detail

It doesn't tell me which ones it reccomends, or says to avoid.

The one thing that a couple mention is with 3 or 4 "uplines"- how many people make it that high? how many are at the bottom? Trying to make money- and instead just floating around.

This site is more of a product review- and company overviews. I do not see much positive or negative, but thank you for the resource.

Guy in Ohio in Cleveland, Ohio said: Okay- here is a "review" of one company from the site you mentioned:

www.mlmreviewkings.com/ascential-bioscience/

Now -It tells me about the product- which is good. FYI - I have never said MLM companies don't sell legitimate products.

What it doesn't say and this is a "review", are what are the advantages or disadvantages of working there. What is the compinsation plan? Can I jut buy this product? or do I also have to sell it?

I then clicked on this link

www.mlmreviewkings.com/category/mlm-programs-d/

which gave me a variety of reviews of companies starting with "D" again - informative, mostly product detail of what you are selling.

Some get into compinsation plan, some do not. None of them get into a detail

It doesn't tell me which ones it reccomends, or says to avoid.

The one thing that a couple mention is with 3 or 4 "uplines"- how many people make it that high? how many are at the bottom? Trying to make money- and instead just floating around.

This site is more of a product review- and company overviews. I do not see much positive or negative, but thank you for the resource.

Guy,

I really think that you and Bosco have two completely different objectives, though at times he does pull you in to his thinking at times, and you just get caught up in what he says.

I believe that you truly want to find information that supports that some of these businesses sell or promote good products, are a legitimate business and are not just a scam, and have a feasible way to make money. The best way to do this is to check out meetings, webcasts, information from various resources, and talk to people that have been successful in their business, and what it took for them to get there. Also, talk to people that failed, find the downsides to the business, and the reason they failed (if possible). Did the not make an effort? Did they make an honest effort and treat it like a business? (cont)

There are many factors that result in people failing. Did the majority fail due to their own doing, or was it the way the business was set up?

I think the succeed/fail aspect of the statistics will always be questioned, because how do you determine who has failed and who has succeeded? Where do the statistics come from?

Bosco's objective isn't truly finding out how to find out how these businesses work, or if you can make money doing them. He just talks, not knowing facts, trying to steer people from all opportunities he sees as possible MLM's, whether they are one or not. For whatever reason he sees all MLM's (and businesses he is guessing are MLM's) as scams. That's his opinion, fine, but he shouldn't be making people dismiss opportunities because of his own personal opinion, which in many circumstances is wrong. He shouldn't be talking about specific companies he doesn't research. If he wants to come on here and bash MLM's and say some are scams then I have no problem with that. When he comes on here bashing specific companies with bad information then I do have a problem with that. It is unfair to the company, and those individuals representing those companies and/or products. This is my opinion. I understand that. But I feel he is wrong in the way he goes about it.

Guy in Ohio in Cleveland, Ohio said: Okay- here is a "review" of one company from the site you mentioned:

www.mlmreviewkings.com/ascential-bioscience/

Now -It tells me about the product- which is good. FYI - I have never said MLM companies don't sell legitimate products.

What it doesn't say and this is a "review", are what are the advantages or disadvantages of working there. What is the compinsation plan? Can I jut buy this product? or do I also have to sell it?

I then clicked on this link

www.mlmreviewkings.com/category/mlm-programs-d/

which gave me a variety of reviews of companies starting with "D" again - informative, mostly product detail of what you are selling.

Some get into compinsation plan, some do not. None of them get into a detail

It doesn't tell me which ones it reccomends, or says to avoid.

The one thing that a couple mention is with 3 or 4 "uplines"- how many people make it that high? how many are at the bottom? Trying to make money- and instead just floating around.

This site is more of a product review- and company overviews. I do not see much positive or negative, but thank you for the resource.

Your welcome.....

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: There are many factors that result in people failing. Did the majority fail due to their own doing, or was it the way the business was set up?

I think the succeed/fail aspect of the statistics will always be questioned, because how do you determine who has failed and who has succeeded? Where do the statistics come from?

Bosco's objective isn't truly finding out how to find out how these businesses work, or if you can make money doing them. He just talks, not knowing facts, trying to steer people from all opportunities he sees as possible MLM's, whether they are one or not. For whatever reason he sees all MLM's (and businesses he is guessing are MLM's) as scams. That's his opinion, fine, but he shouldn't be making people dismiss opportunities because of his own personal opinion, which in many circumstances is wrong. He shouldn't be talking about specific companies he doesn't research. If he wants to come on here and bash MLM's and say some are scams then I have no problem with that. When he comes on here bashing specific companies with bad information then I do have a problem with that. It is unfair to the company, and those individuals representing those companies and/or products. This is my opinion. I understand that. But I feel he is wrong in the way he goes about it.

Actually Anti-

I am trying to figure out if there truly is a Legitimate, workable MLM out there.

I do marketing/sales for a living; and every place I have worked, always make MLMs pay upfront for all their advertising.

I also looked recently into working for Local Ad Link- but decided against it. In the past I have tried to be recruited, and/or known people who have worked for various different MLMs.

If there truly is one, where with reasonable effort someone could suceed, I would like to know about it.

Here's an interesting link regarding pyramid schemes and the dangers of multi-level-marketing:

www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/home.html

Please don't take mine (or anyone else's) opinions as gospel! Go and check these MLM companies out for yourself . . .

www.amazon.com/Best-Books-Build-Successful-Organization/lm/13U565Z6IGW32#height=220

www.thefreelibrary.com/Why+MLM+Forms+the+Backbone+of+Most+Successful+Business+Portfolios

Sorry, previous link didn't work......the forum isn't allowing me to post it due to having a long run of numbers at the end of the link. I assume it is recognizing it as a phone number, therefore blocking me from posting it.

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: www.thefreelibrary.com/Why+MLM+Forms+the+Backbone+of+Most+Successful+Business+Portfolios

If you do a title search from the above link, and search for:

Why MLM Forms the Backbone of Most Successful Business Portfolios

-you'll find what I was trying to post.

homebasedbusinessforums.com/

Another good resource Guy........

Anti-Bosco in Orlando in Orlando, Florida said: If you do a title search from the above link, and search for:

Why MLM Forms the Backbone of Most Successful Business Portfolios

-you'll find what I was trying to post.

There is no discussion about how much money these companies are worth. Where the discussion lies is what is the average joe's chance of making a livable income?

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