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Jobseeker in Concord, California

7 months ago

While discussing college w/someone a bit ago, they were "staying positive" about the experience, even though I was telling them that companies steer clear of folks who do NOT have "X yrs experience" instead of just classroom training. I've seen postings by folks who have MULTIPLE degrees, that STILL can't get a job. But when I tell folks about what's really going on out there, they walk through the fire anyway, while being "in hopes of" and say they're "staying positive". That, to me, is beyond ridiculous. Why spend time & money you don't have, on something that companies don't care about and aren't interested in?? Pfft SMH :-(

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Jobseeker in Seattle, Washington

7 months ago

Well, because if they don't go to college, they have the same problem, so they think to themselves, "Maybe a college graduate who doesn't have X yrs experience will be more competitive than a high school graduate who doesn't have X yrs experience". Also, it gives them four years to figure out a way to not just end up working part-time temporary on-call swing shift at McDonald's, while high school grads basically have to start working immediately at whatever job they can get.

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inlimbo in Redmond, Oregon

7 months ago

I think nobody wants to talk about what is happening in the US. Boomers and the Greatest Generation that are retired still think you can have a degree in anything and find a job.

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Jeff in Upper Marlboro, Maryland

7 months ago

The unemployment rate for college graduates is lower than the unemployment rate for people who didn't go to college. The odds of finding a job are still a little better if you go to college.

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Tiffiney O in Northbrook, Illinois

7 months ago

Here' the reality. A college education in general is always better than no education. BUT it does not immune you from a recession or from being laid off. However it is true when times do get better, the type of job that you can get will be of much higher starting pay and as you gain experience your pay will grow at a faster rate if you have a degree.

You'll be able to build up a higher credit score, you'll be able to invest larger portions of money into your 401K, so that when a recession does occur, you be able to survive financially a lot longer than someone who didn't have an education.

I should know, I've been unemployed off/on for over 4 years now, how did I survive so far this long, it's because I was getting paid a very high salary that requires a degree, which means I had several thousands of dollars in my checking account and retirement account, and the company gave me 2 months severance pay. I have a good credit score, so I was able to obtain credit.

I didn't plan to be unemployed this long but I can't imagine what my life would be like if
I never obtained my Bachelor's and Master's degree in Software Engineering.

You are right that getting the experience is important, but the degree puts you at a higher level from the start.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Tiffiney O in Northbrook, Illinois said: Here' the reality. A college education in general is always better than no education. BUT it does not immune you from a recession or from being laid off. However it is true when times do get better, the type of job that you can get will be of much higher starting pay and as you gain experience your pay will grow at a faster rate if you have a degree.

You'll be able to build up a higher credit score, you'll be able to invest larger portions of money into your 401K, so that when a recession does occur, you be able to survive financially a lot longer than someone who didn't have an education.

I should know, I've been unemployed off/on for over 4 years now, how did I survive so far this long, it's because I was getting paid a very high salary that requires a degree, which means I had several thousands of dollars in my checking account and retirement account, and the company gave me 2 months severance pay. I have a good credit score, so I was able to obtain credit.

I didn't plan to be unemployed this long but I can't imagine what my life would be like if
I never obtained my Bachelor's and Master's degree in Software Engineering.

You are right that getting the experience is important, but the degree puts you at a higher level from the start.

In one of my statistics classes, we went through some "slanted statistics" and one of the examples was "Do college graduates really make more than non-college graduates?" The professor said, "Well, lets see?"

He pulled up collegedropoutshalloffame.com/ and the whole argument quickly fell apart.

The point of the exercise was that by carefully selecting the data, you can arrive at any "statistical" conclusion you want.

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Jobseeker in Concord, California

7 months ago

Tiffiney O in Northbrook, Illinois said: Here' the reality. A college education in general is always better than no education. BUT it does not immune you from a recession or from being laid off. However it is true when times do get better, the type of job that you can get will be of much higher starting pay and as you gain experience your pay will grow at a faster rate if you have a degree.

You'll be able to build up a higher credit score, you'll be able to invest larger portions of money into your 401K, so that when a recession does occur, you be able to survive financially a lot longer than someone who didn't have an education.

I should know, I've been unemployed off/on for over 4 years now, how did I survive so far this long, it's because I was getting paid a very high salary that requires a degree, which means I had several thousands of dollars in my checking account and retirement account, and the company gave me 2 months severance pay. I have a good credit score, so I was able to obtain credit.

I didn't plan to be unemployed this long but I can't imagine what my life would be like if
I never obtained my Bachelor's and Master's degree in Software Engineering.

You are right that getting the experience is important, but the degree puts you at a higher level from the start.

When I tried staying w/my previous company in order to get a severance pkg (I was there for at least 5 yrs), they conjured up crap to get rid of me by way of, so they could save themselves the bucks that a severance pkg would have cost them. Instead of hefty thankyou for all the OT and yrs I'd put in, I got an unceremonious escort out the door.:-( Then they labeled me "not rehireable". :-(

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Jeff in Crofton, Maryland

7 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: In one of my statistics classes, we went through some "slanted statistics" and one of the examples was "Do college graduates really make more than non-college graduates?" The professor said, "Well, lets see?"

He pulled up collegedropoutshalloffame.com/ and the whole argument quickly fell apart.

The point of the exercise was that by carefully selecting the data, you can arrive at any "statistical" conclusion you want.

Comparing outliers doesn't get you any useful conclusions.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Jeff in Crofton, Maryland said: Comparing outliers doesn't get you any useful conclusions.

Neither does eliminating them from the sample population.

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Need New Job in Michigan

7 months ago

Look - not a popular opinion and completely antecdotal but here it is. I wouldn't be where I am without college degrees. I got some benefit out of college, like sharpening my critical reasoning and plenty of experience presenting arguments and defending them. Most of what I learned in course work was meaningless. But having those degrees made all the difference. If you have them, they mean little. If you don't, they mean everything. I would absolutely, unequivocally go back to college all over again.

What I wouldn't do - I did both undergrad and grad at top 25 universities. Top schools come with top price tags. I could have gotten the same experience for a fraction of the cost at smaller state schools.

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Unhappilyunemployed in Pennsylvania

7 months ago

Need New Job in Michigan said: If you have them, they mean little. If you don't, they mean everything. I would absolutely, unequivocally go back to college all over again...

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I took many college courses along the way because I wanted to better myself in certain areas. I have no regrets and I know it landed me my jobs after I was forced into a major career change in my 40's. But I don't doubt for a minute that having no specific degree puts me at a greater disadvantage in THIS market where employers can pick the creme of the crop for even the most menial jobs. Couple that with my age and how long I have been unemployed now, I fear permanent retirement.

My advice to all young people out there? Go do your first two years at community college and then stay away from the big name colleges to finish your Bachelor's and/or Masters. It's the course I am putting my son and I know at least he and I won't be drowning in debt when he's done schooling.

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Jobseeker in Concord, California

7 months ago

College did me NO good. I left, when I realized that companies weren't interested in a person who was only "classroom trained" over someone who had real life experience and plenty of it. Now I have a student loan that's in deferment, because I'm "too young to retire, but too old to hire". Considering the other folks my age who tried to do the same thing, I'm hardly alone. :-( Think of all the classrooms that are out there, that have "older learners" in them. Schools don't care how many folks they crank out, because they're making money off them. But we sure need to. :-(

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Unhappilyunemployed in Pennsylvania said: My advice to all young people out there? Go do your first two years at community college and then stay away from the big name colleges to finish your Bachelor's and/or Masters. It's the course I am putting my son and I know at least he and I won't be drowning in debt when he's done schooling.

That is how I did it but don't under estimate the power and sphere of influence of a brand name school especially if it has a football team.

No junior colleges made it to any of the bowl games and that is big money on New Years Day. Big money.

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Beth in Plano in Plano, Texas

7 months ago

Talking about bowl games.... my nephew is going to FSU and majoring in political science.

Will he be operating the slushy machines at a 7-11 in a few years ?

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Beth in Plano in Plano, Texas said: Talking about bowl games.... my nephew is going to FSU and majoring in political science.

Will he be operating the slushy machines at a 7-11 in a few years ?

Is his last name Patel?

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inlimbo in Redmond, Oregon

7 months ago

Beth in Plano in Plano, Texas said: Talking about bowl games.... my nephew is going to FSU and majoring in political science.

Will he be operating the slushy machines at a 7-11 in a few years ?

Without a doubt.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Beth in Plano in Plano, Texas said: Talking about bowl games.... my nephew is going to FSU and majoring in political science.

Will he be operating the slushy machines at a 7-11 in a few years ?

Hope there is a goal beyond a political science degree. Otherwise, I see the French Fry machine in his future.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Need New Job in Michigan said: What I wouldn't do - I did both undergrad and grad at top 25 universities. Top schools come with top price tags. I could have gotten the same experience for a fraction of the cost at smaller state schools.

I say go to the best schools your parent's money can buy.

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Need New Job in Michigan

7 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: That is how I did it but don't under estimate the power and sphere of influence of a brand name school especially if it has a football team.

No junior colleges made it to any of the bowl games and that is big money on New Years Day. Big money.

This is exactly how I chose my undergrad school. I had no idea what I wanted to be when I grew up so I couldn't really choose a school based on strength of program. I didn't have a ton of choices of where I could go due to horrible high school grades and outstanding test scores. Many schools won't take someone with so much volatility. In the end, I went with the school known for football. I maybe went to 2 games my entire time - I couldn't care less. But football made my school a household name.

I'm not exaggerating when I say that a comment about that team comes up in probably 1 out of 3 interviews.

A big name school can be an impressive networking tool. But I'd save it for grad school or to transfer to finish your bachelor's. Then you are only paying for 2 years of that crap instead of 4.

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John in MD in Catonsville, Maryland

7 months ago

NNJ, what are you doing up in the middle of the night?

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Need New Job in Michigan

7 months ago

John in MD in Catonsville, Maryland said: NNJ, what are you doing up in the middle of the night?

I've been struggling with pneumonia. Has thrown my sleeping patterns off.

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John in MD in Catonsville, Maryland

7 months ago

Sorry to hear that, hope you feel better soon!

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Debbie in Denver, Colorado

7 months ago

Need New Job in Michigan said: I've been struggling with pneumonia. Has thrown my sleeping patterns off.

Hope your feeling better soon NNJ.

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Need New Job in Michigan

7 months ago

Thanks guys

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juliancdranga20 in Jalandhar, India

7 months ago

Tiffiney O in Northbrook, Illinois said: Here' the reality. A college education in general is always better than no education. BUT it does not immune you from a recession or from being laid off. However it is true when times do get better, the type of job that you can get will be of much higher starting pay and as you gain experience your pay will grow at a faster rate if you have a degree.

You'll be able to build up a higher credit score, you'll be able to invest larger portions of money into your 401K, so that when a recession does occur, you be able to survive financially a lot longer than someone who didn't have an education.

I should know, I've been unemployed off/on for over 4 years now, how did I survive so far this long, it's because I was getting paid a very high salary that requires a degree, which means I had several thousands of dollars in my checking account and retirement account, and the company gave me 2 months severance pay. I have a good credit score, so I was able to obtain credit.

I didn't plan to be unemployed this long but I can't imagine what my life would be like if
I never obtained my Bachelor's and Master's degree in Software Engineering.

You are right that getting the experience is important, but the degree puts you at a higher level from the start.

Yes, i agree with that statement "A college education in general is always better than no education."
Education is very important now a days.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Need New Job in Michigan said: I'm not exaggerating when I say that a comment about that team comes up in probably 1 out of 3 interviews.

A big name school can be an impressive networking tool. But I'd save it for grad school or to transfer to finish your bachelor's. Then you are only paying for 2 years of that crap instead of 4.

With the exception of Curling, I hate sports and yet I work in a sports venue. Companies will scratch each other eyes out and pay 10K just to get the name of the company hung up somewhere during a televised game.

In addition, I see the same "upper class" people almost every week. Many of them come to just to socialize. They don't know (or care) if they are watching basketball or bull riding.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Need New Job in Michigan said:

A big name school can be an impressive networking tool. But I'd save it for grad school or to transfer to finish your bachelor's. Then you are only paying for 2 years of that crap instead of 4.

Yeah, that's a good point!

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Jeff in Crofton, Maryland

7 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: In addition, I see the same "upper class" people almost every week. Many of them come to just to socialize. They don't know (or care) if they are watching basketball or bull riding.

And they deduct the cost of the tickets from their income tax as a business expense. Actually, the same thing happens at symphony concerts and operas. After the intermission, 25 percent of the audience is gone. Rich people buy season tickets just so that they can pretend that they're sophisticated but don't have a real interest in attending.

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Need New Job in Michigan

7 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: With the exception of Curling, I hate sports and yet I work in a sports venue.

You probably have no idea how much you are envied. I once applied to a job for the Chicago Bears, and I'm not even a fan. It just sounded like an interesting role that I was qualified for. I never got a call. A couple years later, I met someone in their organization. I mentioned that I had applied before and never got called. He said to not take it personally. Every job they post, no matter how low or high, gets thousands and thousands of applications. Far more than most companies. People just want to be close to their sports team.

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Jeff in Crofton, Maryland

7 months ago

Bluetea in Texas said: Neither does eliminating them from the sample population.

Outliers are interesting to discuss, but they have little impact on the probability distribution function. The fact that the number one ranked tennis player in the world is Spanish does not prove that Spaniards are on the average better tennis players than people of other nationalities.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Jeff in Crofton, Maryland said: And they deduct the cost of the tickets from their income tax as a business expense. Actually, the same thing happens at symphony concerts and operas. After the intermission, 25 percent of the audience is gone. Rich people buy season tickets just so that they can pretend that they're sophisticated but don't have a real interest in attending.

True, I work "the suites" and most of them are corporate owned. If you want to nail that elephant account, you may have to wine and dine some very important people.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Need New Job in Michigan said: You probably have no idea how much you are envied.

LOL! My job is "step and fetch it". $9.00 an hour and no benefits. Any thing but glamorous.

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Bluetea in Texas

7 months ago

Jeff in Crofton, Maryland said: Outliers are interesting to discuss, but they have little impact on the probability distribution function. The fact that the number one ranked tennis player in the world is Spanish does not prove that Spaniards are on the average better tennis players than people of other nationalities.

My nephew is a detective and uses this as an example of outliers. He has several cases of "missing" children. The news media allows one or two "missing children" stories a week. That's it!

99.9 per cent of all children made it home safely last night and we still need time for weather and sports and the Feel Good story about the 86 year old bride at the end of the broadcast.

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Joe in Portland, Oregon

7 months ago

I know it's not quite proper, but I respond with a question, why do you care so much?

1. Perhaps the person genuinely enjoys education, not everyone is after the paper solely to appease the job machine.

2. Many companies do care about, and are interested in education. I see these barriers of entry daily.

3. "Walk through the fire" may apply to you, do you think some people might enjoy the journey?

4. If your goal is to influence this person, "telling" them how it is appears to have failed. Perhaps it is time to revise your strategy.

I wager this person has reasons for making these choices, just as you have reasons for letting it bother you enough to post on here, just as I have reasons for allowing your post to influence me enough to take time out of my day to address it. I have no doubt there are many whom would find this whole series of actions worthy of a 'SMH', I bet we agree on that?

Nevertheless, we will continue to do as we do until the motivations guiding these choices are addressed, and adjusted. And the world will toil in their collective whiplash, shaking their heads at us, because they just don't understand!

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Need New Job in Michigan

7 months ago

Joe in Portland, Oregon said: I know it's not quite proper, but I respond with a question, why do you care so much?

You're wasting your breath. This is typical for his/her posts.

As they say, misery loves company.

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