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a20havoc in Biglerville, Pennsylvania

33 months ago

nodimi in Belleville, Ontario said: looking at a posting for a job in trades, usually more experience is better, No ?
the ad states "Experience: 1 year to less than 2 years"
must be certified !
So if I have ten years exp, I'm wasting my time ?

I wouldn't say you're wasting your time. But I would say that they are feeding you a different version of "we don't want someone who's OVERqualified." If these companies were honest (which they aren't) and had any integrity (which they don't) they'd say straight up: "We don't want anyone who might have more experience than our 23 year-old field manager; or who might challenge our division head who's retiring in a year. We want someone who we can train to do things our way, and not ask any questions--about anything. But, he/she must be certified, to save us that expense. In short, we want a yes-man or yes-woman. Independent thinkers need not apply."

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Parafreegal in South Holland, Illinois

33 months ago

Don't ever provide references up front before any face to face meeting with an employer. That's inherently shady. Employers think they can ask for outlandish information up front nowadays due to the job market being what it is. It's sad.

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HelpinguHire in San Francisco, California

33 months ago

Many job seekers find that working with Staffing Agencies are very beneficial. They have access to many companies and can market you specific skill set. A Recruiter can help open up many doors for you and get you those first initial interviews to get hired.

staffing-solutions.biz/

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Nick in Seymour, Connecticut

33 months ago

HelpinguHire in San Francisco, California said: Many job seekers find that working with Staffing Agencies are very beneficial. They have access to many companies and can market you specific skill set. A Recruiter can help open up many doors for you and get you those first initial interviews to get hired.

staffing-solutions.biz/

Staffing agencies are a joke nowadays. I've dealt with at least 5 different agencies specializing in graphics people.... and I have yet to get ONE job interview since I became unemployed in May 2011. NOT ONE.... all my interviews were with THEM.

Meanwhile.... I have earned probably twice as many interviews ON MY OWN by applying directly to companies.... and most of the jobs I got turned down for was my lack of experience and knowledge in my field of a certain programming language. I just got a job today though.

Stay away from staffing agencies... they are, in mine and my wife's experience.... idiots and crooks and lazy.

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Ben in Joppa, Maryland

33 months ago

I sympathize with everyone out there trying to get hired right now. As a hiring manager I also can't believe the number of people that come through my door that don't have a clue of how to interview - it is true that you only get one chance to make that first impression.

I'd love to help everyone see what I see from the other side of the table.

I've created a site where you can sign up for my weekly newsletter for tips/advice about how to give the perfect interview.

Please check it out.

the-perfect-job-interview.simplelander.com/

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dontwanttobea99er in Somerville, Massachusetts

33 months ago

Honestly, I don't care "how to interview." I'm not interested in tailoring my personality to EXACTLY what your HR business class said is a qualified candidate. I've missed two days of work in 15 years, gotten to work during all hours of the day and night, and put up with countless situations that the average person would quit on the spot rather than deal with them. I've gone to 6 years of school, and got my M.A. with a 3.8 GPA. But because I have a Facebook picture that shows me playing a guitar, I'm a useless musician who would probably spend my income on weed? Screw you guys, I'm going home.

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skyfall in East Berlin, Pennsylvania

33 months ago

dontwanttobea99er in Somerville, Massachusetts said: Honestly, I don't care "how to interview." I'm not interested in tailoring my personality to EXACTLY what your HR business class said is a qualified candidate. I've missed two days of work in 15 years, gotten to work during all hours of the day and night, and put up with countless situations that the average person would quit on the spot rather than deal with them. I've gone to 6 years of school, and got my M.A. with a 3.8 GPA. But because I have a Facebook picture that shows me playing a guitar, I'm a useless musician who would probably spend my income on weed? Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Here, here. Something is wrong with the "system" if there's some sort of "trick" to acing an interview. If you have to do anything beyond show your enthusiasm, show that you know a little bit about the company, and know your own credentials inside and out, that speaks volumes. It tells me that the hiring process is also hostage to the "disposal society" mentality that cheapens everything--including people.

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almcclure2005@live.com

32 months ago

I have filled out over 60 applications with requirements that fit me perfectly. I check the status every day. So why am I sitting at home. I Am A medical assistant and i am continuing my career by going back to school in february. I chose the medical field because therer is so much you can do, from working with children to our elderly heros. i like the feeling of knowing that I have made someones' day just by smiling and joking around while giving them an injection to make them better. people don;t want to be stuck by someone who looks mean all the time and who acts like they don't like their job .I Love hard and feeling needed. i like having all the right answers and solutions at the right time. i have no other activities other than my one year old whom i put in daycare to get things done during the day. I am ready to work.

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JHC in Jacksonville, Florida

32 months ago

I have been looking for a job for a year. I have over 25 years of experience as a legal assistant/paralegal. I can't even get interviews. Well, I did get a couple. The last one I had an initial phone interview (30 mins.) and two in-person interviews where I met the employers I'd be working with and then I was called back to meet with the whole legal department. Then the HR director asked me to take an online personality test. A few days later I finally got an email saying they had chosen someone else, that it was a hard decision, and that they'd keep my resume on file, yada yada. I was surprised, but o.k. About a week later they posted another paralegal position on craigslist. I didn't bother to inquire about it. I can't figure these employers out. The thing is other than a couple interviews, I don't even get called. I've begun to wonder what's going on. Is it just that the economy is so bad and so many people are out of work/applying for these positions? I have excellent references and work history, a ton of experience. The only thing I can think of is that they assume I will ask for too much money and they're right. Salaries are horrible here in Jacksonville, Fl. In 2003, when we moved here from Atlanta, I was offered the only two jobs I interviewed for and I took the one that agreed to match my Atlanta salary. I took a few years off to raise my children. The other thing is that in the last few years my husband's company (commercial r.e.) took a huge hit and since he isn't bringing in much income and I can't find a job, we've encountered some dire legal issues - foreclosures, lawsuits, my husband got a DUI, and we're going through a divorce. Could it be that they are looking at these public records and saying, "this girl's a mess!"

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

32 months ago

I believe employers usually ask for your express written consent to a background check, but really info is so easily obtained online that you can't really know.

Also, it is excessively difficult to get a legal job nowadays. The entire industry outside of foreclosure work is hurting. You're probably going up against hundreds of resumes and then 15-20 others who get an initial interview. They can really use any excuse they want to use with a pool of applicants that large. And they never, ever have to give you notice of anything. I've learned this the hard way.

As far as not getting calls, you're not the only one. It could be that you have too much experience. It could be other things. You can't take it personally. There are way more people out there than open jobs available, and employers can pretty much do whatever they want and treat you however they want. Hopefully, some day it will again be an employee's market.

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dontwanttobea99er in Somerville, Massachusetts

32 months ago

I've applied to every Home Depot in a 25 mile radius of my apartment. Any position, any time, from cashier to loading dock. Not one of them have called me. Not even the automated system. Same thing for Whole Foods, Lowes, and Target.

I'm giving this area until January, to produce a reason for me to stay here job-wise. If it doesn't, I'm moving back home to NJ. At least I won't be homeless there.

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chicagocolleen in Westmont, Illinois

32 months ago

Larry Clevenger in Mount Holly, New Jersey said: I understand were you are coming from. Company's around the world are doing things like that,just the other day i saw a ad for hiring at the ford plant and the workers are making 28.00 per hour and new hires are making 14.00 per hour,if thats not a slap in the face for new hires. Company's think that there going to get people that have experience in this field are going to take a job at this rate NOT maybe high school or college need a job only. you would not catch me taking a job at 14.00 per hour.

Good luck with your job search

My husband made 40 dollars an hour plus excellent health and pension for many years. He never called in sick and his jobs always made money. They laid him off over 2 years ago, he is now working for 13.00 an hour and they say in 6 months they will give him health for 100.00 a week. Its amazing what you will do if you get hungry enough.

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

32 months ago

One hundred dollars a week to get insurance through an employer? I think I'd be looking at getting my own insurance at that rate.

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dontwanttobea99er in Somerville, Massachusetts

32 months ago

I could actually live on $13/hr, but I can't even find that. =/

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Ineedajob in Miami, Florida

32 months ago

I been trying to get a job for the last 6 months and it's been hard. I have applied to many companies and been to many interviews but I hear nothing back. Last week I applied for this big health company for a customer service job and I got a call from them saying I was very qualified for the job. So, they asked a couple of question and I had to go online and do another application and a skill test which was the most stupid test I ever done! So I finished it, I got a call the next day the guy told me the test results were really good and he scheduled me for an interview. I'm not very good at interviews, I get nervous and i don't know how to make it better by not being nervous. I'm very talkative and friendly but I just freak out at interviews. Well, I went to the interview they ask me questions about myself, where do I live, how do I work better as a team or independent, what's my strength and weakness??? I think those questions are lame! So I thought I did great because he kept repeating how good the interview was going and how qualified I was for the job like 200 times. Apperently I was not! I got an email from him saying I didn't get the job because I didn't do good at my interview and I was not qualified because in needed more experience for this job. He also said I didn't look professional!!?? I wore a suite, got a hair cut and I shaved completely! What else am I gonna wear??? Three ties at the same time? Or should I come in some jeans and a polo shirt??? I think employers should lighten up and give people a chance. I have the experience and he also said so and then he said I dont??? Wtf!!!

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auri in Miami, Florida

32 months ago

Ineedajob... you're not the only one. I'm in Miami, FL as well and to get a job here is not easy. I actually have many years of experience in the criminal justice field unrelated to law enforcement and I been looking and applying for jobs mostly in retail from stocking merchandise to loss prevention and even in my field and I haven't had any luck. In this city is "who you know, not what you know" If you have experience and a degree you are considered "Over qualified" and if you don't have any of those then your just considered a fool that better accept the $7.31 job or dont worry they will hire an illegal to do the job. I'm waiting to get a job through a connection... since thats the only way to get a job in this town. Thats life.

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skyfall in East Berlin, Pennsylvania

32 months ago

[QUOTE]If you have experience and a degree you are considered "Over qualified"

Translation: "After a few months, you will probably be able to do the job of your supervisor--and we sure don't want anybody challenging a company stooge who knows how to tow the corporate line. So, not interested. NEXT!"

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stanlec1 in Canyon Country, California

32 months ago

I am in the same boat. I have applied to jobs for almost 2 years with very few interviews and even fewer call backs. I get the standard email saying they chose someone that better suited the position while I don't know how that is possible without an interview because I'm applying to jobs that perfectly match my skill set and that I have previous experience in. What's more is I'm graduating with my AA in management as valedictorian of my class and it seems to mean nothing. The only acceptance I got was a cashier position with a large well known retail chain which was far below my experience and skill level. I hate to say it, but in this economy it's more about who you know than who you are or what you bring to the table. I have .79 cents left in my account and my husband and I were both out of work in December. Don't personally know what else to do but I am here to let you know that you are not alone.

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Fedup 1 in Chicago, Illinois

32 months ago

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Like you I graduate with a 3.7 in the Health Administration Master's degree program and I am getting the same "WE HAVE SELECT ANOTHER CANDIDATE WHOSE QUALIFICATIONS ARE A BETTER FIT". The previous statement applies to both skills set jobs and degree certified jobs. I had a talent specialist call me to set up a telephone interview from a well know Hospital in Chicago, IL and when the time came for me to call, the interviewer called me and told me that his co-workers did not inform him that they have chosen other candidates to interview, and he said "THEY ARE EXPERIENCED TALENT SPECIALIT WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING" without even allowing me an opportunity to interview. I WAS COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY! So I agree with you it is all about who you know. Most of the workers who are in job positions that job seekers are seeking are UNQUALIFIED and ruin the reputation of the company.

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Parafreegal in Blue Island, Illinois

32 months ago

That's pretty brutal, fedup. But I'm not surprised. The way people who interview act in setting up interviews, the actual interviews and the follow-up (usually none) nowadays is not professional at all. It's always something, in my experience. And they don't care about their image at all. If they did, they would act like they do.

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auri in Miami, Florida

32 months ago

I still can't find a job here in Miami. I'll keep you guys updated. I'm deciding to return to a trade school and study something in the Medical field or in Aviation. Aviation is hiring a lot of mechanics but you need to be licensed, and the Medical field is very hard to get a job in it even with a 2 year degree, Radiology technician I read everywhere that the job market sucks when it comes to that profession. Not an easy decision... Atleast I can say I always have had a love for aviation.

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Frustrated in Cleveland, Ohio

32 months ago

I have been searching for a job for over a year, during that time I have received one interview. I have worked my networks, developed new ones and I even know who received the person who received the job that I had applied for. In addition, I have been able to find out the position that he left and while I had applied for that job, I do know the person that did.

People often ask, maybe you need more education. Currently I have a Master's Degree and am a few hours away from receiving a PhD. While the idea of completing the degree seems interesting, I don't think that it will end my job search.

In desperation of needing some form of income, I have applied for multiple minimum wage jobs. To date, I have not received one contact.

Frustrated in Ohio

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tryingtofigureitout in Houston, Texas

31 months ago

I graduated in Nov. 2010 with a B.S. in Human Resource Mgmt and have been trying to get my foot in the HR door so I can begin my career but have no luck what so ever!!!!! I just can't seem to understand why I am unable to find employment. I've already received professional help with my resume and participated in mock interview. If someone will only give me a chance I know I can prove myself. Does anyone have any helpful tips that I can implement to help make my job search a bit more successful?

Trying to Figure it Out

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

31 months ago

HR isn't exactly an expanding field from what I know and have heard. You may want to branch out into something else.

It's tough starting out after school and landing something. Take whatever you can get, even if it isn't in HR. Something is better than nothing.

And don't take any of your job search personally. There are a lot of us out there who are unable to find work and can't understand why. The basic answer is that things are bad out there for all unemployed people.

Keep looking for, and applying to, jobs.

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Ayush Gupta in Delhi, India

31 months ago

why I am not getting a job from last two years after completing my graduation.This is very bad.
It feels bad when people behind you have passed you and daily are going to their respective office and laughing at you.
It feels bad when juniors to you are more successful.

It's a feeling that nothing is left for you in thw world..:)

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endoftheworld in Wallingford, Connecticut

31 months ago

can anybody here beat 4 years of unemployment?
if i don't get a (decent) job soon not sure what I will do? I don't qualify for disability or social security only 42. I even applied at GoodWill and got NO response, i think the Salvation Army is staffed by unpaid volunteers.
The UE rate in my area is around 6% so I can't blame the economy tho a 3 day 20 mile radius job search in admin/clerical will yield only 40 jobs, none of them being a perfect fit skillwise and definitely not a personality fit, I am just looking for an old fashioned regular office support job tho I am college educated and have 18 years of varied work experience some rather high level, today i could not get a job for the same things i did before like payroll clerk and seems like not even the same as my most recent job as an office assist.
Six interviews in 2009, bout 25 in 2010, 2011 um 18-20 (who keeps track anymore) and none since Nov. of last yr. It's the same companies I apply to over and over,often for the same job, it is getting to be terribly embarrassing like I wonder WTH they think when they keep seeing my name (I personally think I am in a "do not call file").
I think most co. do not advertise on any job board or newspaper.
2 yr.s ago i went to the chamber of commerce to get a list of companies and they didnt have one so now when i drive around and see some business name i've not applied to i try to remember to look it up, ditto for reading about co. in the paper like somebody sponsored some charity event.
what others have said about the salaries going down is soo true, around here a single person cannot live off $13/hr. unless they live with someone and I am not the type to live with strangers.
I don't even know what happened to most of the 99ers? did they all get jobs? Am I the ONLY one left or what? I feel like I'm a part of some kind of conspiricy theory. I think I ought to get some kind of prize for being the most unemployable person out there, like a booby prize

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nick in Somerville, Massachusetts

31 months ago

No...other than a holiday stint with a retailer this last Christmas, I can't get a job either. I have a Master's degree in Comm, and I can't even get $10/hr.

I've applied to hundreds of openings, by now. More every day. Everything from marketing for a NHL team, to cashier at a retailer. I don't get a call or acknowledgment from 99% of them. It feels a lot like I've been blacklisted. By now, I have a huge inexplicable gap on my resume, and I think I'm getting declined just for that.

If anyone knows of a good gang to join, that's next. I wish I was joking.

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Hotdiggity in Ajax, Ontario

31 months ago

Yup.. 2.5 years for me in February.
I've now taken to lying on my resume about the amount of time I spent in each of my past jobs and what titles I've held.
(none of this can come back on me)

Hiring an Office Manager?.. well, damn, I've been an office manager for 12 of the last 15 years..
IT Manager? Sure, I've done that; I've been an IT Manager for 12 of the last 15 years !
Product Manager?.. No problem ! I've been a Product Manager for 12 of the last 15 years !!!

Joking aside.. this is actually working with my new condensed resume; I'm getting more calls than before; marginally.

But as was said above by endoftheworld, I'm now seeing a lot of the same jobs I applied to before, repeatedly.
I feel that I'm on some sort of "do not hire list" myself.

I wish I could just tell them to stop hiring bozos and to give me a chance.
Hell, I'd even give them 2 weeks to try me out.

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tulip143 in Zanesville, Ohio

31 months ago

I quit my job 6 years ago to stay home with the kids. after 2 years I got restless. So I am still looking about 4 years now. I was an administrative assistant. Not an overly difficult job. I did temp work. Everything that is out there is $9-$10 an hour. I get interviews, no offers. I have an interview for a job that is an hour from my home, part time and pays 9.50 an hour. Do I take it if offered. The gas alone will eat up anything I make. I am sick of this. I would like my own business, but my spouse is not supportive of this so here I sit wasting away and depressed.

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endoftheworld in Rocky Hill, Connecticut

31 months ago

nick in Somerville, Massachusetts said: No...other than a holiday stint with a retailer this last Christmas, I can't get a job either. I have a Master's degree in Comm, and I can't even get $10/hr.

I've applied to hundreds of openings, by now. More every day. Everything from marketing for a NHL team, to cashier at a retailer. I don't get a call or acknowledgment from 99% of them. It feels a lot like I've been blacklisted. By now, I have a huge inexplicable gap on my resume, and I think I'm getting declined just for that.

If anyone knows of a good gang to join, that's next. I wish I was joking.

you're probably sick of hearing/reading about to join some kind of networking group, i dont have the personality for it but would recommend to others if they havnt tried it, I did try joining a bookclub but that was mostly housewives and retirees and I dropped out after a few months of realizing this was not going to help my employment situation any, nobody was interested in my problems they'd rather discuss the inner struggles of some imaginary character. What are you thinking selling drugs or robbery? I don't think joining a gang is the way to go, mainly becuase you'd have to give a share to the ringleader, so better to go solo tho really Believe you me with a criminal record you'll not exactly increase your chances for employment, this is 1 or the main reason i can't seem to get any type of job, most police blotters are online nowadays and there forever even if you werent convicted and a police blotter that comes up with your name google search is not something that makes anybody look like EE of the month material.
I am thinking if there is a Do Not Hire List, we ought to be able to sue someone for loss of income and mental stress damages.
I am just hoping the end of the world IS this year as predicted and I've got enough money to last me untill then.

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endoftheworld in Rocky Hill, Connecticut

31 months ago

tulip143 in Zanesville, Ohio said: I quit my job 6 years ago to stay home with the kids. after 2 years I got restless. So I am still looking about 4 years now. I was an administrative assistant. Not an overly difficult job. I did temp work. Everything that is out there is $9-$10 an hour. I get interviews, no offers. I have an interview for a job that is an hour from my home, part time and pays 9.50 an hour. Do I take it if offered. The gas alone will eat up anything I make. I am sick of this. I would like my own business, but my spouse is not supportive of this so here I sit wasting away and depressed.

Am surprised someone who quit their job for legit reasons would be having as much difficulty as someone involuntarily let go.
I'd probably not take that 9.50/hr job just because it's too far, I don't apply beyond a 40 min. commute and mainly focus on 30 min. or less tho there are many more jobs a good hours drive but I just can't do a 10 hour day and have lived in the same area my entire life and cannot fathom moving to a different location, I'm not sure I'd be more desireable to employers elsewhere anyways, it not like there is a shortage of qualified candidates for the types of jobs i could do.

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endoftheworld in Rocky Hill, Connecticut

31 months ago

Hotdiggity in Ajax, Ontario said: Yup.. 2.5 years for me in February.
I've now taken to lying on my resume about the amount of time I spent in each of my past jobs and what titles I've held.
(none of this can come back on me)

Hiring an Office Manager?.. well, damn, I've been an office manager for 12 of the last 15 years..
IT Manager? Sure, I've done that; I've been an IT Manager for 12 of the last 15 years !
Product Manager?.. No problem ! I've been a Product Manager for 12 of the last 15 years !!!

Joking aside.. this is actually working with my new condensed resume; I'm getting more calls than before; marginally.

But as was said above by endoftheworld, I'm now seeing a lot of the same jobs I applied to before, repeatedly.
I feel that I'm on some sort of "do not hire list" myself.

I wish I could just tell them to stop hiring bozos and to give me a chance.
Hell, I'd even give them 2 weeks to try me out.

How can you lie on your resume? Did ALL your previous employers close shop then? If so you are lucky. All my employment can be verified as well as reason for leaving, another huge negative for me as I've never left a job on good terms and definitely cannot apply to anyplace I've worked before, unfortunately I worked for some of the biggest co./org. around here, ditto for places I've temped.
Since I don't have to document my job search, I've given up applying to those that just aren't that into me, I think if this were a dating relationship and I kept contacting someone and they kept ignoring me i'd be arrested for harassment/stalking. I do wonder if those jobs that keep being reposted every 3-6 months are so awful that people quit or the management is so awful they are fired. My local paper has been posting for a bi-lingual receptionist for over a month now, similar posting about 6 months ago also for a ridicolously long time, i was not contacted either time tho i've been subscribing to the paper for years and said so

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Hotdiggity in Ajax, Ontario

31 months ago

endoftheworld in Rocky Hill, Connecticut said: How can you lie on your resume? Did ALL your previous employers close shop then?

Nope, but I know they'll only give out limited information about my employment for legal reasons.
So, since I have a long term employment with one company, I list a number of roles I held while employed there.
But, I always leave my last role at the top of the list.
This way, when the reference check is made, I can say I only held that role for the last six month of the 15 years I was there.
Before that, I was the office manager, IT manager, product manager, etc.. or whatever they're looking for.

I've only sent out 4 resumes this year with the new format.. and I've received calls on two of them.

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Bill G in Kansas City, Missouri

31 months ago

Anthony in Montreal, Quebec said: The only way to get a job these days is to dress up and go to the place where they hire, and ask to submit your resume in person. It's the only way to do it, you habve to show that you are proactive and you need to differentiate yourself. Check a job posting, get the name of the company hiring, tailor your resume, check the address, dress up and go. I did this and it worked, and this was my only succesful one (recent college grad) after 6 months of submitting apps online and sending my resume through e-mails...You always need to be one step ahead of competition, because there is a lot of it these days...

If it's a very small company, that will work but most companies, you'll never make it past the front receptionist. you'll either be handing the resume to her or, if you're lucky, another receptionist in the HR department who could care less.

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Hotdiggity in Ajax, Ontario

31 months ago

^^^ This is what stops me from doing this.

I've been given the advice to "just dress up and show up" from a few people but haven't done it because I fear it would be a waste of time and I wouldn't get past the receptionist.
But, I'm getting desperate now..

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endoftheworld in Hartford, Connecticut

31 months ago

Re: above "dress up and show up" I tried that in '93 and it actually worked. The same co. has a security guard at the front door now which is locked and will open with card swipe or ringing buzzer and then your name needs to be in the "guest list" for the day.

got a call from an employment agency today?
they want to know if i want my resume submitted for a $10/hr clerical/receptionist job an hours drive away, it's 10-4 m-f temp with no end date? could be a month if they don't like me or "I am not a good fit". am currently receiving about $16K a yr. in various benefit programs i patched together for myself (am my own social worker & pretty darn good at it) any $ I earn will detract or eliminate the benefits i get which once you are off are almost impossible to git back on (went thru this last june with a temp to perm job that ended up temp.
I drive a '98 Corolla with 127K miles, i'd rather not put 78 miles a day on it since this has got to last me.
On the Other Hand I've not been in any interviews for 3 whole months, not that if this agency refers me i'll even get an interview OR the job. I'd find it very hard to be exited over such a drastically low salary, does not matter i've earned nothing for over 3 yr.s -minus a 2 month temp job and in desparate need of funds a low paying job is still a low paying job and clerical jobs are in my experience dead ends. I made $9.50/hr. the summer i graduated HS working in similiar clerical job, this was 1986 I actually worked for Harley Davidson the Motorcycle co which i thought was pretty cool at the time and actually the coolest co. i ever worked for, name recognition alone. Something wrong that the pay for clerical workers is STILL the same as 1986.
It sure is a dilemma, but i think i will have to turn down the potential opportunity, tho others mite not.

Anyone here try witchcraft for a favorable employment outcome? I could use a spell or 2.

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Bluetea in Texas

31 months ago

Hotdiggity in Ajax, Ontario said: ^^^ This is what stops me from doing this.

I've been given the advice to "just dress up and show up" from a few people but haven't done it because I fear it would be a waste of time and I wouldn't get past the receptionist.
But, I'm getting desperate now..

This is 2012 not 1912.

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

31 months ago

As to presenting yourself cold with a resume

- There's security nowadays, so you're not going to get past them to the employers in many cases

- If there isn't security, there will surely be a receptionist, and you're not going to by-pass the receptionist and get to see the hiring manager

- All hiring and communications connected to it are done online nowadays. Nobody asks for paper resumes anymore, although, strangely enough, I just faxed, yes faxes, a resume for an ad because that's how they wanted it. Even if you're going to Target or a hotel to apply, I've been told that the applications for those places are online only.

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skyfall in Biglerville, Pennsylvania

31 months ago

Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois said: As to presenting yourself cold with a resume

- There's security nowadays, so you're not going to get past them to the employers in many cases

- If there isn't security, there will surely be a receptionist, and you're not going to by-pass the receptionist and get to see the hiring manager

- All hiring and communications connected to it are done online nowadays. Nobody asks for paper resumes anymore, although, strangely enough, I just faxed, yes faxes, a resume for an ad because that's how they wanted it. Even if you're going to Target or a hotel to apply, I've been told that the applications for those places are online only.

Hiring managers and HR people are gutless cowards. They love to hide behind their corporate hiring policies so they don't have to deal with uncomfortable situations. Then, when they do confront those situations, they stretch the truth or outright lie to avoid liability. So no, showing up in person will not help. They actually won't want to see you until you are on the payroll and don't have a choice anymore. Then the abuse can begin.

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endoftheworld in New Britain, Connecticut

31 months ago

I think showing up in person will leave a favorable impression with smaller businesses but you need to be well dressed (or business casual dep. on office) and well spoken and exude CONFIDENCE.

Unfortunately we long term unemployed have very little left of any confidence in our ability to capably perform the simplest of jobs after months/years of rejection for even low paying jobs. Like you wonder if you were rejected from that cashier job because the manager thought you were too incompetent to do it so what hope is there for a higher level job.

Speaking of jobs and my other mention of spells, I GOT A JOB INTERVIEW NEXT TUESDAY VALENTINES DAY!!! this is for that reception/clerical job at my condos Prop. Mgmt. co. i have applied to numerous times w/o ANY response whatsoever and i applied over 2 weeks ago for this one the interview invitation came in an email with title simply "job interview" i thought it was one of those scams i keep getting since the subject is often "your resume" or "job interview".
Unfortunately they prefer "bilingual spanish" this is becomming more and more of a problem for the types of jobs I am going for, right now it's about 15%+ of jobs require or strongly prefer spanish. I feel that if i otherwise qualify i should be able to sue the employer for reverse discrimination if my not being bi-lingual is the sole reason of my rejection since this is America and last i checked English was the official language.

Anyhow i've been so depressed i can barely see straight or think so very exited, all hope is not lost, yeh, yeh i know can't get my hopes up too much but i need to psych myself up and act like the job is mine or i'll never work again, ENTHUSIASM is another quality you need to be employed, nobody wants to hire somebody who shuffles into the interview eyes downcast, shoulders slumped and speaking in timid squeaks.

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Bluetea in Texas

31 months ago

skyfall in Biglerville, Pennsylvania said: Hiring managers and HR people are gutless cowards. They love to hide behind their corporate hiring policies so they don't have to deal with uncomfortable situations. Then, when they do confront those situations, they stretch the truth or outright lie to avoid liability. So no, showing up in person will not help. They actually won't want to see you until you are on the payroll and don't have a choice anymore. Then the abuse can begin.

This is the darkside of the technology. Many companies, at least in my industry have actually outsourced or automated many of the HR functions to 3rd parties.

Mildred in Personnel was replaced by a machine a long time ago.

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skyfall in Biglerville, Pennsylvania

31 months ago

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ENTHUSIASM is another quality you need to be employed, nobody wants to hire somebody who shuffles into the interview eyes downcast, shoulders slumped and speaking in timid squeaks.

Good luck on that interview, although I don't think luck will have much to do with it. Unfortunately, most of these companies don't want the timid squeaks--but they also don't want resourceful people who make decisions on their own in clutch situations without calling a district manager. I hear that vets are having trouble finding work. It's no surprise. People who can make the sort of quick, correct decisions that save lives in an Afghani village are too much of a liability in a felt-covered stateside cubicle. Somebody said it ain't 1912 anymore. It's also not 1946 anymore.

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endoftheworld in New Britain, Connecticut

31 months ago

Thankyou Skyfall, unfortunately my mood just plummetted back to the black hole i was in: the co. now sent me an application i must fill out BEFORE my interview and right on the first page:
Have you EVER been convicted of a felony OR misdemeanor
so I may as well forget it
In my experience if that question is asked along with them wanting to know your prior addresses and names they WILL do a background check and it is HIGHLY unlikely they would hire anyone who answers positively to the criminal conviction question no matter what the incident or when it took place. There are plenty of other people with clean background checks to chose from and it's not disciminatory or illegal to not hire someone to answer phones and do the filing if on paper you have an alledgedly violent incident.
not a happy camper at all am going to git dressed, it after noon now i've been wasting time on the i-net all day... have to go for a loong run before my head explodes
I literally got a pounding headache after reading the job application and feel dizzy and nauseous and practically gasping for air when i realized another good chance down the drain

Being unemployed is ALOT like being bipolar; the extreme highs and lows sometimes in the course of ONE hour.
But the Big Picture sure is not lookin any good
Ah well, there is still a .00001 % chance i will get this job, just like i might have a rich relative i dont know about who died and left me a massive inheritance.

I do believe Luck has something to do with whether i get a job or not and this has been true in the past, i certainly never got a job due to my outstanding skills and personality.

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

31 months ago

It's hard enough to get a job with a clean background and excellent credit. I couldn't imagine having a criminal conviction on one's record and trying to get a job in this environment. That would be a tall order. There's a place here called Felony Franks that would consider hiring you if they had any openings. Otherwise, I don't know who would take someone with a criminal record onto their payroll.

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endoftheworld in Prospect, Connecticut

31 months ago

Parafreegal - yeh it virtually IMPOSSIBLE to get a job with a criminal record nowadays and I am not exaggerating or being flip, this is real for anyone with a criminal record whether a 1 time incident or multiple convictions, makes NO difference to employers. I've had over 60 interviews! I am not a "career criminal" and I suspect there are thousands of others like me out there just wasting away.
We are not all HS drop-outs and drug addict rapists/killers which is what i think people envision when they see Yes to felony checked off on the job application and I will say that on paper i do appear violent "assault on police officer" from shoplifting incident when i was 35 and likely have a greater propensity for violence than your average jane doe but it's only because i was caught and had a crappy lawyer that this is public knowledge.
I'll bet this Felony Franks your talking about has min. wage jobs and is not exactly competing with Nathans I myself would likely not go there to eat.
Today i got called for ANOTHER job interview next week it's with a counseling agency for adolescents and the dir. sent me a job application and background check form to fill out (great) so I can kiss that one goodbye as well.
Am undecided for both my interviews next week whether to tell them before i go if they have a policy of not hiring anyone who doesn't pass a background check as these interviews are likely not to go well as it were, I will be waay too tense now and I have no explanation for my criminal act to make it sound like am not an immoral person or a crazy lunatic (am both actually but try to keep it "in the closet" and appear normal:-) I do need recent interview experience and being a hermit have almost no social interaction with anyone so ought to go just for the human contact but to know ahead of time i will be rejected is so depressing it mite be best to ask them whether i should even bother to come in since i will end up agitating myself needlessly.

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

31 months ago

No employer will tell you they won't hire you if you don't pass a background check. And virtually all employers nowadays will conduct one. With everything online, doing their due diligence isn't very difficult.

There has to be some sort of resource online to help you. I'd look into it.

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endoftheworld in Prospect, Connecticut

31 months ago

Parafreegal-

There has to be some sort of resource online to help you. I'd look into it.

neh, i've looked, the smattering of programs not even in my area are designed as "re-entry" programs for those with no job or life skills, people who sposedly need to "re-integrate" back into society upon spending years in jail.

Maybe the i-net has facilitated the hyper-vigligance(sp)on the character of the person being hired, sposedly 80% of employers google people before they hire them too and NOT having a facebook/linkedin page or any positive online presence can be a negative. The i-net certainly makes it easier to check on people.

I've also looked into getting my name changed but that is not an option and anyways most applications ask for any previous names, background checks are done by last name address and dob to my knowledge
my best bet would be to get a completely new identity and move
-i've obviously been watching too much tv...

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A bit wiser in Jacksonville, Florida

31 months ago

Agencies are altogether another matter. They have now become the premier predators and are flourishing. Different agencies will post jobs that have long since been taken or dont exist. Or several agencies will post the same job repeatedly. I actually hunted down the source of a job posted on a job board to find out if they job actually existed prior to sendin a resume. To the so employers shock and confusion, he said he had no such job posting, and that the last time he posted for that job or any other position was 18 months ago. That job had been filled long ago, but it appeared fresh as of two weeks ago.
Why is this occuring?

Because agencies/recruiters themselves must compete in the same rat race with the same few employers for their commissions. It is what we used to call "cow bell" - they will approach an employer boasting of being in possession of thousands of resumes so as to procure the best candidate for the position. What do THEY do with these resumes? They say they don't sell information, but I suspect otherwise. There was one particular job over at Craigs list that kept appearing verbatim for months. Through the email I tracked it down to some guy facebook page in India who was opening up a recruitment agency in the US and boasting of how many resumes he had - over 5,000 in just a few months.
I also think they sell as much of the information they have available to third party affiliates who the market to the job hunter, who is broke, looking for a job with little to no expendable income. Is this a joke or what? Though you may recieve no reply after submitting your resume, dollars to donughts you recieve sudden new advertisments or spam subscription mail.

When resumes are posted on line and left there, anyone claiming to be an employer has access to them. I have taken down any resumes, and vioila, the garbage mail seemed to have disappeared. Along with all the adverts to go back to school to learn a new profession - for wh

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Bluetea in Texas

31 months ago

[QUOTE who=" Though you may recieve no reply after submitting your resume, dollars to donughts you recieve sudden new advertisments or spam subscription mail.

When resumes are posted on line and left there, anyone claiming to be an employer has access to them. I have taken down any resumes, and vioila, the garbage mail seemed to have disappeared. Along with all the adverts to go back to school to learn a new profession - for wh

LOL! I once applied to an Indian Casino and I had only been there twice before. I didn't get the job but about a month later, I started getting all these brochures from them??

I just figured they turned an applicant list into a marketing list. I never went back. Heh!

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Parafreegal in Chicago, Illinois

31 months ago

End of the world, I don't think changing your name or identity will help you much. They'll catch up to you at some point. I don't know what to tell you. It's hard enough having a clean background.

Jacksonville, it's my opinion that nearly all ads posted by recruiters/agencies are fake. It is my opinion that all of the ads posted by Robert Half are fake. Don't even bother with agencies unless you're looking for temp work, and in that case don't expect much either.

The cycle appears to be: an agent is hired by the recruiter, the agent posts job ads online, real people respond to them, the real people are brought in to "sign up," the agent meets a quota, the real people don't get jobs and then the cycle starts all over again with the agent posting another ad.

How that cycle ever generates any real income for anyone outside of maybe the agent and the job sites, I have no idea.

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