Why is it hard for military veterans to find a job?

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Davy in Murrieta, California

47 months ago

Wow lots of Ignorance here.
Vets get 5 points of preference in any government position.
If a 10 point vet applies, Only veterans can be accepted for that position.
With the economy as it is, veterans are getting the vats majority of entry level positions, because as soon as a 10 point vet applies all civilians are blocked no matter how awesome they are.
Government anti-military? please... they get a huge advantage when applying for government positions.
You may be having a hard time because entry level or even mid level positions are getting 100-300 applicants.

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watching u in Green Cove Springs, Florida

44 months ago

cmm in Williamstown, New Jersey said: I don't normally comment on these types of issues, however, I too am a military veteran (24 years of service) in the HR field. I have found that my military experience does not translate well in the civilian sector. Keep trying but in the meantime, I recommend you spell check all your work. I found several errors in your messages above.

Make sure that if you tell people they should spell check, that you do the same! lol

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williamsrobin54@yahoo.com in Mcdonough, Georgia

43 months ago

See below. This is why Veterans are not hired. We have people in HR that make up their own rules, not following the written rules that were put in place for veterans. We never fully get the credit WE deserve!!!!

Sue Collins,
You, ma'am, need anti-psychotic medications! So, you feel it is perfectly fine for "vets to look out for vets", but it is NOT ok for non-vets to look out for non-vets? That, ma'am, is called DISCRIMINATION! Thank goodness the democrats are finallly in charge, and the nobel prize winning Obama, the hero of America!
And also, the other who is applying for HR jobs but you do not yet have a bachelors degree, that is how it works. When someone who already has HR experience, civilian or govmt, etc, AND they have a bachelors degree in HR, but you do NOT, then THEY are more qualified than you, and deserve the job. That is how it works. I used to have a federal job, and was a HR director. I have NO military experience, but I have HR experience (loads of it), and a BA degree as well as a masters degree. I always found ways to hire the MOST qualified and educated person. If the most qualified & educated was a vet, then I would hire them. If the most qualified and educated was a civilian, then I would "see to it" that they got the job, one way or another! This giving points for disabilities (especially depression/anxiety...LOL, is a complete joke. So is giving DISCRIMINATORY extra points for "veterans". Point of fact--EVERY full-time working American CONTRIBUTES to America, NOT just vets! I am glad that I and "others" can, did, and does find ways to make sure that hiring for federal jobs is done fairly, and without unfair discrimination. Giving preference to people just because they were vets is the same as giving preference to someone because they are African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, etc.

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williamsrobin54@yahoo.com in Mcdonough, Georgia

43 months ago

You are truley a piece of work. So....this means that you never followed the rules or regulations intrusted to you. We as veterans earned those points. No one ask you to give it to a veteran for the sake that he or she is a veteran. When you hire veterans you get practical experience regardless whether he or she has a degree. Most vets that I know earned their degree while in the service, with exception to maybe younger ones who only stayed one tour. But thank God they have the option. Predident Obama made sure of that. People like you will not be able to take that benefit away. Remember this. You will certainly reap what you sow. Sow a bad seed, it WILL come back to you.

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Neocon

41 months ago

tim tom, BA, MS in Göteborg, Sweden said: I wish all of you best of luck in finding jobs, as long as you truly deserve the job because of experience and education.
Yep, things are very tough in the US. You can thank G.W. BUSH, and the war on Iraq for a large part of the economic hole the US is in right now. Since 2001, the war on Iraq has cost nearly $900 BILLION! That is how much the healthcare reform bill costs! I love it how the republican reps feel we can afford to spend billions and billions of US taxpayer money, but we cannot afford the same money in healthcare for ALL Americans! Threaten to Eliminiate TRICARE, or cushy govmt. healthplans and see how some would like that! I also laugh how they say the US is becoming socialistic like Sweden, etc., when Sweden is NOT a socialist country. Some of its policies are more socialistic than some US policies, but many are the opposite. I love it, for example, how in Sweden, I worked only 1 year full time, but became injured (lower back problems-bulging disc), and now I get 80% of my former full time pay, with 100% free healthcare (as everyone does in Sweden/EU and the rest of the modern, intelligent world). I make nearly $2,000 sitting at home, LOL! Sweden is the best! I get FREE medications each month that used to cost me $1,200 per month! God Bless Sweden and the EU!! Best thing I ever did-leave the US!

If you are Swedish and not an American maybe you should shut your mouth and be happy with your fellow Swedes who are being taxed to death to pay for your lazy, unproductive lifestyle. It WAS the best thing you EVER did was to leave the United States you disgusting litle coward. Oh and by the way, has the birth rate of Islamists surpassed the in-bred rate of Swedes yet? All you really are is another welfare case living off someone else. Poor Boy!

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Lol in Redmond, Washington

31 months ago

TRUTH said: WHY STAY IN THE SERVICE, THIS IS WHY THE VA AND MANY GOVENMENRAGENCIES ARE THE WAY THEY ARE, TEY HIRE AOT OF CIVILIANS WHO NEVER SERVED, LOOK AT THE VA FACT 30 PERVENT VETERANS WORK INSIDE THE va BUT THE BOSSES, MANY NEVER NEVER SERVED AND THERE BEAN COUNTERS-, lOOK AT ARE OWN COUNTRY OUR COUNTRY HAS VOTTED IN DRAFT DOGGERS-AND GUESS WHAT THEY ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT THEY THINK OF THERE COUNTRY THEY SAID 889 YOU. tHE RICH RAN, BUT THEY SURE CAN START WARS FAST WHERE WERE THEY, BUSH HIS DADDY HIM HE NEVER SERVED, CHANEY, DRAF DOGGER AND THERE THE BIGGEST WAR MONGERS, CLINTON AND HE WAS EVEN ON A ROTC SCHORLARSHIP SEE THESE RICH EPOPLE GET ALL THE PERKS AND GOOD COLLEGES BUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO DEFENT THERE COUNTRY THEY COME UP WITH MEDICL DESQUALIFYING HEMMROIDS. BUT THEY SERVE OUR COUNTRY AND GIVE AMERICA ALLA HEMMROID, CLINTON BUSH AND MANY OTHER RUIN THIS NATION WE AS A COUNTRY NEED TO STOP ELECTING DRAFT DOGGERS, BCAUSE YOUR PEEING ON THE ONES WHO SERVED. nOW oBAMA SAYS HES GOING TO HELP SERVICE MEMEBERS WITH JOB, HOW THE ONLY WAY IS TO THROUGH OUT THE OLD LAWS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOO MANY LOOP HOLES. AND WE ARE NOT A PRIRIORTY. lok at our ecnom this economy was sank on purpose, this was no accident there is no accidents, one they needed people in the military it so bad they went after illegals, now they have lines they know a draft would of sparked demonstrations for a war that is a lie. Veterans like our benefits ae a joke we hae to fight for even the benefits that are there look at compensation rates, there loosing records even at the records area, then its your fault they lost your records they deny your compensation claim.

Learn how to spell and turn off caps lock haha

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Teddy in Canonsburg, Pennsylvania

28 months ago

foxsha75 in Stockbridge, Georgia said: Hello everyone,
I am a 28 year old Army Veteran who was just Honorably Discharged from the military after 8 years. I worked in the Human Resources field, and have extensive knowledge in Administrative and HR. I currently go to school part time to finish my Bachelors in Human resources, but I feel like that is not enough for employers.

I have been out of the Army since October, and have been trying to find work ever since. I went to the unemployment office and was denied benefits twice. I am going to file another appeal after the Martin Luther King Holiday. I love to work, and I had no problem serving my country, but I feel like no one is taking me seriously, and it hurts so much.

With bills piling up, and my car in danger of reposession, I feel like I want to give up. I have been to numerous interviews, and sent my resumes to every staffing agency, and job site, but its not getting anywhere. I feel like my country has not only let hard working americans down, but myself as well. Anyone has any advice or inspiration. I really need some right now. Thank you so much for reading what I have to say.

It all depends on what you’re looking for. Without the degree it’s hard to say that anyone would pick you up. Even though your skills might be excellent, without your degree you might have to settle for a GS 4-5 position if you’re willing to do that you might be able to get a chance, but after that you can advance quickly if the skills are there as you say. I am a navy vet and having similar issues and i have my MBA, but I was able to get unemployment. Hang in there it will all work out!

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mike in San Jose, California

27 months ago

foxsha75 in Stockbridge, Georgia said: I am applying for government jobs as well. Its very frustrating because everyone is trying to get the same jobs as I am. So the competition is very stiff. I lost my appeal because they said that I got separation pay when I was honorably discharged from the army. The military took that away when I didnt finish my reenlistment obligations, but it still showed on my DD214 as recieving compensation. I gave the Department of labor the paperwork showing that the Army took it from me, but they still denied it. I am going back to the Department of Labor and file another appeal. Hopefully, they accept it this time and I can recieve benefits. I have been living off of savings, but it has ran out, and I am in danger of losing my car. All I can do is pray that they give me benefits. There are people who are abusing the system and not really looking for work. I have been in the military for almost 9 years, and I deserve UI benefits. Its very sad...

I don't know why they are denying you UI benefits. When i got out i received unemployment and i also had separation pay from the Army, that shouldn't matter. I am truly sorry that you are going through this. One suggestion for you to do is to apply for student loans and get enough of a loan for school but also enough to help out with living expenses and bills. My wife is doing that now. Of course we have to pay it back in the long run but at least it will help us out now. have you gone to the VA yet their is also benefits through them? keep your head up and thank you for your service we should treat our men and women better than this.

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kbryant in Saint Peters, Missouri

26 months ago

I would ask Ellen from tv im sure if she sees this she'd get you the money I know I would but I don't have money either and my husband is getting out of the army next week. It's hard too because we have 3 kids and no car and we are almost 30 years old and have to move in with our parents it's embarrassing but at least the kids are safe. I think if you also try doing a bunch of sweepstakes and instant win games it's better to take your chances then not to have those chances at all ya know? I hope something good comes your way. God bless!

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TimberMain in Edgewood, Washington

17 months ago

I definitely hear ya brother, I got out of the army recently after 8 years of service, I had 2 MOS's, Military Police and Unit Supply Specialist, and I recently moved to texas, been searching high and low for a job however my standards are 1. NO minimum wage, and 2. NO 100% Commission, It's been a roughr road I've been extremely stressed out, and trying to figure out alternatives, but above all never give up, if all else fails theres trucking companies out there looking for new drivers.

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noles12 in Midlothian, Virginia

17 months ago

TimberMain in Edgewood, Washington said: I definitely hear ya brother, I got out of the army recently after 8 years of service, I had 2 MOS's, Military Police and Unit Supply Specialist, and I recently moved to texas, been searching high and low for a job however my standards are 1. NO minimum wage, and 2. NO 100% Commission, It's been a roughr road I've been extremely stressed out, and trying to figure out alternatives, but above all never give up, if all else fails theres trucking companies out there looking for new drivers.

Most people don't understand anything about the military and it hasn't meant much in the job market. Focus on your education with a BS minimum. An Associate degree isn't even on a pay scale for getting a decent job. You also have to adapt to working around non-military folks. It took a while for me to learn how to talk in an office environment where my language was appropriate. The civilian world still has it's own crab bucket and filter that you have to get past.

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GI1971 in New Britain, Connecticut

7 months ago

Davy in Murrieta, California said: Wow lots of Ignorance here.
Vets get 5 points of preference in any government position.
If a 10 point vet applies, Only veterans can be accepted for that position.
With the economy as it is, veterans are getting the vats majority of entry level positions, because as soon as a 10 point vet applies all civilians are blocked no matter how awesome they are.
Government anti-military? please... they get a huge advantage when applying for government positions.
You may be having a hard time because entry level or even mid level positions are getting 100-300 applicants.

"Wow lots of Ignorance here" too.

1. Vets do not get 5 point preference under all circumstances. "An unsuccessful applicant for a specific federal position contend[ed] that the agency's procedure in filling the vacancy denied him his veterans' preference rights. The Merit Systems Protection Board ("Board") rejected this contention", as a Court of Appeals for Federal Circuit in JOSEPH v. FTC did as well. See the following link at www.cafc.uscourts.gov/images/stories/opinions-orders/07-3073.pdf

2. Veterans do not get the vast majority of entry level positions, but only a quarter of them. See OPM statistics, table 3 at www.fedshirevets.gov/hire/hrp/reports/EmploymentOfVets-FY12.pdf.

3. Civilians are not blocked by ten point veterans, instead the law allows the federal agencies to legally passover them, if those civilians score higher than vets and if the agencies can justify the proposed passover. See Title 5 U.S.C. Section 3318.

4. Veterans do not get accepted for "that" position, even if a 10 point vet applies. In one of my appeals against a federal agency, ten vets applied and passed the initial cut-off score of applicants who were referred for an interview. Two of those vets were disabled individuals (10 pointers). The Agency selected eight applicants for the vacancy. None of them was a veteran.

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ShanCiera44 in Atlanta, Georgia

4 months ago

Hi I understand your frustration, being in the military and finding a job after can be difficult. I came across VA for Vets website that helps vets find jobs. It also is a great resource with tips on resume writing. VA for Vets really helped me when looking for a job. Check out jobs.vaforvets.com. Hope this helps.

Good Luck!
ShanCiera

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Heidi Lee in Kansas City, Missouri

2 months ago

SMC said: i just hope the President, or someone who care about veterans look at it, women veterans, veterans government is not happeing the numbers prove that. there is a anti veteran anti women veteran sentiment. the hiring preference is a joke, veterans all over the United States need to Unite to do one big lawsuit. Because the veteran preference we have now is worthless, they will hire a handicap man, not by service to country either before they hire a women veteran.

My husband hasnt found a job or "decent full time" job that should be paying him a good hourly pay. I think any veteran should make decent enough pay to.support thers family. Veterans preference really doesn't mean anything these days it seems and its sad because aside from not being able to find a good job , he put in for his paperwork to be sent to the VA so he could claim disability for injuries he sustained in the service and it was all written down) and now there claiming his paperwork never exisite! So as far as my husband and i are concerned it seems like he didnt "exist" enough or what he did to serve in the Airforce. So now were pretty much trying to make ends meet in a state they sent us to which was his home of record. In Iowa and we have gotten no help! We are trying to relocate to the east coast where we are more familiar and a bigger job market. But without moving help or a place to live when we get there wed be potentially homeless We are young both 23 and are just feeling down . I try to be my husbands rock by saying you WILL get hired at places hes interviewed but it seems that vets have no chance lately and I know he is depressed feeling like he cant make enough or support us. I do my best as well , I helped him with a great resume and refrences and he was honorably discharged at his end of service time but its getting to be just a problem for him and i realize its something affecting many vets !Im prepared to stand up and speak with my husband or on his behalf.

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