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williamsrobin54@*****.*** in Mcdonough, Georgia

84 months ago

See below. This is why Veterans are not hired. We have people in HR that make up their own rules, not following the written rules that were put in place for veterans. We never fully get the credit WE deserve!!!!

Sue Collins,
You, ma'am, need anti-psychotic medications! So, you feel it is perfectly fine for "vets to look out for vets", but it is NOT ok for non-vets to look out for non-vets? That, ma'am, is called DISCRIMINATION! Thank goodness the democrats are finallly in charge, and the nobel prize winning Obama, the hero of America!
And also, the other who is applying for HR jobs but you do not yet have a bachelors degree, that is how it works. When someone who already has HR experience, civilian or govmt, etc, AND they have a bachelors degree in HR, but you do NOT, then THEY are more qualified than you, and deserve the job. That is how it works. I used to have a federal job, and was a HR director. I have NO military experience, but I have HR experience (loads of it), and a BA degree as well as a masters degree. I always found ways to hire the MOST qualified and educated person. If the most qualified & educated was a vet, then I would hire them. If the most qualified and educated was a civilian, then I would "see to it" that they got the job, one way or another! This giving points for disabilities (especially depression/anxiety...LOL, is a complete joke. So is giving DISCRIMINATORY extra points for "veterans". Point of fact--EVERY full-time working American CONTRIBUTES to America, NOT just vets! I am glad that I and "others" can, did, and does find ways to make sure that hiring for federal jobs is done fairly, and without unfair discrimination. Giving preference to people just because they were vets is the same as giving preference to someone because they are African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, etc.

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williamsrobin54@*****.*** in Mcdonough, Georgia

84 months ago

You are truley a piece of work. So....this means that you never followed the rules or regulations intrusted to you. We as veterans earned those points. No one ask you to give it to a veteran for the sake that he or she is a veteran. When you hire veterans you get practical experience regardless whether he or she has a degree. Most vets that I know earned their degree while in the service, with exception to maybe younger ones who only stayed one tour. But thank God they have the option. Predident Obama made sure of that. People like you will not be able to take that benefit away. Remember this. You will certainly reap what you sow. Sow a bad seed, it WILL come back to you.

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Neocon

81 months ago

tim tom, BA, MS in Göteborg, Sweden said: I wish all of you best of luck in finding jobs, as long as you truly deserve the job because of experience and education.
Yep, things are very tough in the US. You can thank G.W. BUSH, and the war on Iraq for a large part of the economic hole the US is in right now. Since 2001, the war on Iraq has cost nearly $900 BILLION! That is how much the healthcare reform bill costs! I love it how the republican reps feel we can afford to spend billions and billions of US taxpayer money, but we cannot afford the same money in healthcare for ALL Americans! Threaten to Eliminiate TRICARE, or cushy govmt. healthplans and see how some would like that! I also laugh how they say the US is becoming socialistic like Sweden, etc., when Sweden is NOT a socialist country. Some of its policies are more socialistic than some US policies, but many are the opposite. I love it, for example, how in Sweden, I worked only 1 year full time, but became injured (lower back problems-bulging disc), and now I get 80% of my former full time pay, with 100% free healthcare (as everyone does in Sweden/EU and the rest of the modern, intelligent world). I make nearly $2,000 sitting at home, LOL! Sweden is the best! I get FREE medications each month that used to cost me $1,200 per month! God Bless Sweden and the EU!! Best thing I ever did-leave the US!

If you are Swedish and not an American maybe you should shut your mouth and be happy with your fellow Swedes who are being taxed to death to pay for your lazy, unproductive lifestyle. It WAS the best thing you EVER did was to leave the United States you disgusting litle coward. Oh and by the way, has the birth rate of Islamists surpassed the in-bred rate of Swedes yet? All you really are is another welfare case living off someone else. Poor Boy!

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Lol in Redmond, Washington

72 months ago

TRUTH said: WHY STAY IN THE SERVICE, THIS IS WHY THE VA AND MANY GOVENMENRAGENCIES ARE THE WAY THEY ARE, TEY HIRE AOT OF CIVILIANS WHO NEVER SERVED, LOOK AT THE VA FACT 30 PERVENT VETERANS WORK INSIDE THE va BUT THE BOSSES, MANY NEVER NEVER SERVED AND THERE BEAN COUNTERS-, lOOK AT ARE OWN COUNTRY OUR COUNTRY HAS VOTTED IN DRAFT DOGGERS-AND GUESS WHAT THEY ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT THEY THINK OF THERE COUNTRY THEY SAID 889 YOU. tHE RICH RAN, BUT THEY SURE CAN START WARS FAST WHERE WERE THEY, BUSH HIS DADDY HIM HE NEVER SERVED, CHANEY, DRAF DOGGER AND THERE THE BIGGEST WAR MONGERS, CLINTON AND HE WAS EVEN ON A ROTC SCHORLARSHIP SEE THESE RICH EPOPLE GET ALL THE PERKS AND GOOD COLLEGES BUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO DEFENT THERE COUNTRY THEY COME UP WITH MEDICL DESQUALIFYING HEMMROIDS. BUT THEY SERVE OUR COUNTRY AND GIVE AMERICA ALLA HEMMROID, CLINTON BUSH AND MANY OTHER RUIN THIS NATION WE AS A COUNTRY NEED TO STOP ELECTING DRAFT DOGGERS, BCAUSE YOUR PEEING ON THE ONES WHO SERVED. nOW oBAMA SAYS HES GOING TO HELP SERVICE MEMEBERS WITH JOB, HOW THE ONLY WAY IS TO THROUGH OUT THE OLD LAWS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOO MANY LOOP HOLES. AND WE ARE NOT A PRIRIORTY. lok at our ecnom this economy was sank on purpose, this was no accident there is no accidents, one they needed people in the military it so bad they went after illegals, now they have lines they know a draft would of sparked demonstrations for a war that is a lie. Veterans like our benefits ae a joke we hae to fight for even the benefits that are there look at compensation rates, there loosing records even at the records area, then its your fault they lost your records they deny your compensation claim.

Learn how to spell and turn off caps lock haha

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Teddy in Canonsburg, Pennsylvania

68 months ago

foxsha75 in Stockbridge, Georgia said: Hello everyone,
I am a 28 year old Army Veteran who was just Honorably Discharged from the military after 8 years. I worked in the Human Resources field, and have extensive knowledge in Administrative and HR. I currently go to school part time to finish my Bachelors in Human resources, but I feel like that is not enough for employers.

I have been out of the Army since October, and have been trying to find work ever since. I went to the unemployment office and was denied benefits twice. I am going to file another appeal after the Martin Luther King Holiday. I love to work, and I had no problem serving my country, but I feel like no one is taking me seriously, and it hurts so much.

With bills piling up, and my car in danger of reposession, I feel like I want to give up. I have been to numerous interviews, and sent my resumes to every staffing agency, and job site, but its not getting anywhere. I feel like my country has not only let hard working americans down, but myself as well. Anyone has any advice or inspiration. I really need some right now. Thank you so much for reading what I have to say.

It all depends on what you’re looking for. Without the degree it’s hard to say that anyone would pick you up. Even though your skills might be excellent, without your degree you might have to settle for a GS 4-5 position if you’re willing to do that you might be able to get a chance, but after that you can advance quickly if the skills are there as you say. I am a navy vet and having similar issues and i have my MBA, but I was able to get unemployment. Hang in there it will all work out!

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mike in San Jose, California

68 months ago

foxsha75 in Stockbridge, Georgia said: I am applying for government jobs as well. Its very frustrating because everyone is trying to get the same jobs as I am. So the competition is very stiff. I lost my appeal because they said that I got separation pay when I was honorably discharged from the army. The military took that away when I didnt finish my reenlistment obligations, but it still showed on my DD214 as recieving compensation. I gave the Department of labor the paperwork showing that the Army took it from me, but they still denied it. I am going back to the Department of Labor and file another appeal. Hopefully, they accept it this time and I can recieve benefits. I have been living off of savings, but it has ran out, and I am in danger of losing my car. All I can do is pray that they give me benefits. There are people who are abusing the system and not really looking for work. I have been in the military for almost 9 years, and I deserve UI benefits. Its very sad...

I don't know why they are denying you UI benefits. When i got out i received unemployment and i also had separation pay from the Army, that shouldn't matter. I am truly sorry that you are going through this. One suggestion for you to do is to apply for student loans and get enough of a loan for school but also enough to help out with living expenses and bills. My wife is doing that now. Of course we have to pay it back in the long run but at least it will help us out now. have you gone to the VA yet their is also benefits through them? keep your head up and thank you for your service we should treat our men and women better than this.

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kbryant in Saint Peters, Missouri

66 months ago

I would ask Ellen from tv im sure if she sees this she'd get you the money I know I would but I don't have money either and my husband is getting out of the army next week. It's hard too because we have 3 kids and no car and we are almost 30 years old and have to move in with our parents it's embarrassing but at least the kids are safe. I think if you also try doing a bunch of sweepstakes and instant win games it's better to take your chances then not to have those chances at all ya know? I hope something good comes your way. God bless!

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timbermain in Edgewood, Washington

57 months ago

I definitely hear ya brother, I got out of the army recently after 8 years of service, I had 2 MOS's, Military Police and Unit Supply Specialist, and I recently moved to texas, been searching high and low for a job however my standards are 1. NO minimum wage, and 2. NO 100% Commission, It's been a roughr road I've been extremely stressed out, and trying to figure out alternatives, but above all never give up, if all else fails theres trucking companies out there looking for new drivers.

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noles12 in Midlothian, Virginia

57 months ago

TimberMain in Edgewood, Washington said: I definitely hear ya brother, I got out of the army recently after 8 years of service, I had 2 MOS's, Military Police and Unit Supply Specialist, and I recently moved to texas, been searching high and low for a job however my standards are 1. NO minimum wage, and 2. NO 100% Commission, It's been a roughr road I've been extremely stressed out, and trying to figure out alternatives, but above all never give up, if all else fails theres trucking companies out there looking for new drivers.

Most people don't understand anything about the military and it hasn't meant much in the job market. Focus on your education with a BS minimum. An Associate degree isn't even on a pay scale for getting a decent job. You also have to adapt to working around non-military folks. It took a while for me to learn how to talk in an office environment where my language was appropriate. The civilian world still has it's own crab bucket and filter that you have to get past.

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GI1971 in New Britain, Connecticut

47 months ago

Davy in Murrieta, California said: Wow lots of Ignorance here.
Vets get 5 points of preference in any government position.
If a 10 point vet applies, Only veterans can be accepted for that position.
With the economy as it is, veterans are getting the vats majority of entry level positions, because as soon as a 10 point vet applies all civilians are blocked no matter how awesome they are.
Government anti-military? please... they get a huge advantage when applying for government positions.
You may be having a hard time because entry level or even mid level positions are getting 100-300 applicants.

"Wow lots of Ignorance here" too.

1. Vets do not get 5 point preference under all circumstances. "An unsuccessful applicant for a specific federal position contend[ed] that the agency's procedure in filling the vacancy denied him his veterans' preference rights. The Merit Systems Protection Board ("Board") rejected this contention", as a Court of Appeals for Federal Circuit in JOSEPH v. FTC did as well. See the following link at www.cafc.uscourts.gov/images/stories/opinions-orders/07-3073.pdf

2. Veterans do not get the vast majority of entry level positions, but only a quarter of them. See OPM statistics, table 3 at www.fedshirevets.gov/hire/hrp/reports/EmploymentOfVets-FY12.pdf.

3. Civilians are not blocked by ten point veterans, instead the law allows the federal agencies to legally passover them, if those civilians score higher than vets and if the agencies can justify the proposed passover. See Title 5 U.S.C. Section 3318.

4. Veterans do not get accepted for "that" position, even if a 10 point vet applies. In one of my appeals against a federal agency, ten vets applied and passed the initial cut-off score of applicants who were referred for an interview. Two of those vets were disabled individuals (10 pointers). The Agency selected eight applicants for the vacancy. None of them was a veteran.

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shanciera44 in Atlanta, Georgia

44 months ago

Hi I understand your frustration, being in the military and finding a job after can be difficult. I came across VA for Vets website that helps vets find jobs. It also is a great resource with tips on resume writing. VA for Vets really helped me when looking for a job. Check out jobs.vaforvets.com. Hope this helps.

Good Luck!
ShanCiera

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Heidi Lee in Kansas City, Missouri

42 months ago

SMC said: i just hope the President, or someone who care about veterans look at it, women veterans, veterans government is not happeing the numbers prove that. there is a anti veteran anti women veteran sentiment. the hiring preference is a joke, veterans all over the United States need to Unite to do one big lawsuit. Because the veteran preference we have now is worthless, they will hire a handicap man, not by service to country either before they hire a women veteran.

My husband hasnt found a job or "decent full time" job that should be paying him a good hourly pay. I think any veteran should make decent enough pay to.support thers family. Veterans preference really doesn't mean anything these days it seems and its sad because aside from not being able to find a good job , he put in for his paperwork to be sent to the VA so he could claim disability for injuries he sustained in the service and it was all written down) and now there claiming his paperwork never exisite! So as far as my husband and i are concerned it seems like he didnt "exist" enough or what he did to serve in the Airforce. So now were pretty much trying to make ends meet in a state they sent us to which was his home of record. In Iowa and we have gotten no help! We are trying to relocate to the east coast where we are more familiar and a bigger job market. But without moving help or a place to live when we get there wed be potentially homeless We are young both 23 and are just feeling down . I try to be my husbands rock by saying you WILL get hired at places hes interviewed but it seems that vets have no chance lately and I know he is depressed feeling like he cant make enough or support us. I do my best as well , I helped him with a great resume and refrences and he was honorably discharged at his end of service time but its getting to be just a problem for him and i realize its something affecting many vets !Im prepared to stand up and speak with my husband or on his behalf.

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NamVet in La Porte, Indiana

35 months ago

I was finally hired by AM General in South Bend, IN and worked there for 4 years. The manager I worked for at the end - before my job at Mishawaka Plant was filled while I was working in a retrofit operation, was sick with cancer and I suspect he made some untrue derogatory statements in my personnel file, since I have applied for many more positions over the years since, and my qualifications exceed the requirements of the positions, but have been refused even an interview.

There is another position posted on job boards, and this time I am going to contact an attorney regarding the FOIA to gain access to my file and determine if, in fact, there is information that has been keeping me from being hired. At least I will know that AMG is not violating the veterans preference laws for government contractors, even though this manager treated everyone equally terrible, and had no regard for employees' abilities, which was apparent from the beginning, since I had to coerce him into an interview to be hired initially! Has anyone ever used the FOIA for this purpose with gov't contractors?

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Rob in Norfolk, Virginia

23 months ago

JB in Baltimore, Maryland said: To all of my fellow veterans I say it is a crime and a shame. I believe that a veteran who is willing to work shpuld be given an opportunity to do so as soon as they are released from the armed forces. That Veteran's Preferance crap does not work. What will work however is, after you apply for a position and submit all paperwork needed, wait. If you are qualified or fall under a special appointment like VEOA or VRA wait. If you receive a letter stating you were not referred contact that office via email and request an explantion why. Once they reply continue to keep all responses to your questions and applications and then submit them to your Congressman. They need to see this for themselves.

It is a shame and I cant even get a part time job because the stupid employers don't want any military retirees or vets in their stores. We are supposedly over qualified to do anything but better than any immature teenager who is there part time. The vets preference doesn't work because the employers are not veterans themselves so its one of the most over rated thing I ever heard. The congressmen don't understand this either because they never served in the military.

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Defendertdi110 in Alexandria, Virginia

21 months ago

Here is the skinny for success after the military; it is education, not any degree but a marketable degree. Just like you were in the military; you had to make an impression to your immediate supervisor either enlisted or officer rank. You had to be qualified at the highest level capability and have an evaluation that match or reported your accomplishments. I had average mark up with regards to the number game, meaning I was either a 3 or 4 out 5 and recommend score for advancement was 4 and 5s but here is the kicker and people look at the narrowtives to compare. As an E-6, I was qualified as Command Duty Officer to a major naval base during the day, watchbill coordinator as well as Humanity/Medical Evaluation coordinator for the Carbbean Basic and these were my collatial duties. My assigned duties Leading Petty Office to the divisional level, division office in 3M aka Maintwnance, Material and Manager to include Work Center Superivor, just to name a few. Just like the military qualification is everything and get real world certification not organizational and marketable degrees. I retired back in 2003 and I am currently a IT Project Manager for the federal gov't and hold a Masters degree in IT-Project MAnagement 2012 and Baschelors in Info-System-Mgt as the major and Business Mgt as the minor 2006. The real world is hard place to live sometimes compared the protection/comforts of the military and when a medium family makes only $53k a year with minimum wage being $15 per hour in some place, something is missing. Two adults work at $15 per hours equal roughly $30k X 2 = $60k plus military retirement $20 makes $80k for a family. Here is the reaTl question do you want to be the medium or you want to exceed it; the key is key educated with a four year marketable degree and quality of life will be better. Think about it $66k plus $20k = $86k just myself, not counting the wife. You can do it, motivate yourself and your life for better quality and comfort.

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ronyrodas in Brooklyn, New York

20 months ago

There are many factors why some veterans would not get hire in the civilian sector or it would take a long time for them to land the job they want.

1) The military doesn't really promote education. They prefer for soldiers to go to the field for weeks at the time and drop out from that class or two you were taken on line because even though education was the main reason why you join the service but once you were in your military duties were more important than you preparing for your future after the service.

2) The more time you spent the in service the harder it becomes to get a job as a civilian. Those who made the rank of SGT and Above have a hard time becoming the employee now rather than the supervisor. You have to be humble enough to be willing to start from the bottom again and take it.! *like being a private once again*.

3) The more time we spend in the military the harder it becomes to get a job. Or the job we want. Now we been gone into the military culture for years and we enjoyed all the benefits and one day they ended. Now we are no longer 18 or 21 and we are o our late 30's or early 40's we do not look as good anymore. During the interview process as much as people would not want to admit to this but the ones employers hire is they ones who they like vrs the ones who qualifies. Presentation is a key factor to get a job.

4) The military do a good job empowering us and making us feel that once we get out and we earn the (VETERAN TITLE) that life is all set for us! WRONG! by the time we attend the transition program ACCAP (army) we are already being told that life will be great and we all will become great employees to great organizations or that we can open our own business and shoot for the starts!! reality is that yes it can be done but it wont happened the first year or the second or the third year! good luc

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ronyrodas in Brooklyn, New York

20 months ago

Heidi Lee in Kansas City, Missouri said: My husband hasnt found a job or "decent full time " job that should be paying him a good hourly pay. I think any veteran should make decent enough pay to.support thers family. Veterans preference really doesn't mean anything these days it seems and its sad because aside from not being able to find a good job , he put in for his paperwork to be sent to the VA so he could claim disability for injuries he sustained in the service and it was all written down) and now there claiming his paperwork never exisite! So as far as my husband and i are concerned it seems like he didnt "exist" enough or what he did to serve in the Airforce. So now were pretty much trying to make ends meet in a state they sent us to which was his home of record. In Iowa and we have gotten no help! We are trying to relocate to the east coast where we are more familiar and a bigger job market. But without moving help or a place to live when we get there wed be potentially homeless We are young both 23 and are just feeling down . I try to be my husbands rock by saying you WILL get hired at places hes interviewed but it seems that vets have no chance lately and I know he is depressed feeling like he cant make enough or support us. I do my best as well , I helped him with a great resume and refrences and he was honorably discharged at his end of service time but its getting to be just a problem for him and i realize its something affecting many vets !Im prepared to stand up and speak with my husband or on his behalf.

The problem starts with what we think we should get because we are veterans!! reality is that the tittle veteran is only good to get a free drink at the bar or a hang shake! EDUCATION IS THE KEY TO GET A WELL PAYING JOB!! and being able to start from the bottom again and build work experience from that point on!!

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humanresourcesmonitor in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

16 months ago

I too am a Veteran, Degreed, with countless Certification not employed for eight months. Returning to the Theme, "Why is it hard Military Veterans to find jobs" is clear to me. VETERANS HAVE TO BRING UP THE REAR! We Veterans deserve, were promised and significantly are a, "force to recon with", and the weenie recruiters out there are fancy-pansy, rude, mean and uneducated "talent seekers". These so called Recruiters many on this Blog excusing themselves need to go back to school or get a Degree and some Ethic courses, they have lived a great live from the benefits derived by the freedom we have fought for this country. I am frustrated that America has taken the most honest, decent, Christian people and instituted a "anti veterans bias" never seen before and no-one has addressed the current enormous amount of recent war veterans except Bernie Sanders. By the way, I have a BS in HR Mgmt. and still I am told "you do not have skills" from prejudice people in the recruiting industry. CHIN UP - these people are likely to fall in a crack soon. If you know how to read, my RESUME - pablomarquezjr.weebly.com

lindam in Barrington, Illinois said: I do not know a whole lot about the military, but all I can say is keep trying and keep the faith. You have only been out of work since October, which really is not a very long time considering how long others have been unemployed. You have some very good skills and it is just a matter of time before you land something. Have you considered temporary work to bring in some cash while you secure something permanent? Good Luck

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humanresourcesmonitor in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

16 months ago

Sue Thank you here is my response to another excuse Americans are giving for NOT hiring Veterans.........I too am a Veteran, Degreed, with countless Certification not employed for eight months. Returning to the Theme, "Why is it hard Military Veterans to find jobs" is clear to me. VETERANS HAVE TO BRING UP THE REAR! We Veterans deserve, were promised and significantly are a, "force to recon with", and the weenie recruiters out there are fancy-pansy, rude, mean and uneducated "talent seekers". These so called Recruiters many on this Blog excusing themselves need to go back to school or get a Degree and some Ethic courses, they have lived a great life from the benefits derived by the freedom we have fought for this country. I am frustrated that America has taken the most honest, decent, Christian people and instituted a "anti veterans bias" never seen before and no-one has addressed the current enormous amount of recent war veterans except Bernie Sanders. By the way, I have a BS in HR Mgmt. and still I am told "you do not have skills" from prejudice people in the recruiting industry. CHIN UP - these people are likely to fall in a crack soon. If you know how to read, my RESUME - pablomarquezjr.weebly.com

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civmar in Saint Petersburg, Florida

16 months ago

Part of the problem lies in the fact that our government doesn't want to discuss some of the "truths and facts" concderning the "dynamics" of our economic and labor market. While millions and billions are being spent on the "healthcare" of the vet, little to none is being spent on the "economic well-being of the vet. Unfortunately, veterans are often looked on as low-skilled or unskilled labor despite having "top of the line" technical training. This problem won't be solved until government takes the issue of the care of the "economic well-being" of the vet seriously. As I like to say: "JOBS NOT PARADES" - that's what's needed for vets (and I don't mean "McJobs" or "Wal-Marty" jobs - meaningful, gainful employment of the vet using the skills they learned through their military to the greater benefit of our nation).

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huffcontractorsinc in West Harrison, Indiana

15 months ago

I agree with you all, But as a company we are having a hard time finding VETS. We are a small trucking company that is looking for a dispatcher and diesel mechanic and truck drivers If you, or anyone that you know that is looking for please keep us in mind.
We welcome all military... Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

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