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Bilal in Edmonton, Alberta

63 months ago

would be rally interested in knowing the wage for new grads and as well how much it would changes with experience

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30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta

63 months ago

Very few jobs available in edmonton or calgary....too many fast tracked school graduates coming to alberta from their provinces where they've FLOODED the market with their 'quick grads'....

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exp in Massachusetts

61 months ago

Circe in Ontario said: does anyone know the starting wage in Fort McMurray and Grande Prairie?

Contact temp. agencies in those areas, then, subtract around $5-10
dollars.

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Fort Mc Murray Hygienist in Calgary, Alberta

57 months ago

Circe in Ontario said: does anyone know the starting wage in Fort McMurray and Grande Prairie?

I work full time in fort mc murray and WAGES ARE GOING DOWN... as the MARKET IS FLOODED with new grads from ontario... and it is getting worse daily.... the rent is $2000.00 per month for a run down _ _ _ _ hole of an apartment. So don't bother coming there

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Fort Mc Murray Hygienist in Calgary, Alberta

57 months ago

30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta said: Very few jobs available in edmonton or calgary....too many fast tracked school graduates coming to alberta from their provinces where they've FLOODED the market with their 'quick grads'....

I could not agree with you more... it is kind of scary....

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30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta

57 months ago

Fort Mc Murray Hygienist in Calgary, Alberta said: I could not agree with you more... it is kind of scary....

Hey guys.....it's very sad what has been happening within our job market in Alberta and across the country. It isn't rocket science...if there are only 15,000 DHs in the country, and one province (ON) is graduating 1100 PER YEAR for the last 4 years...we've got a FLOODING of grads into the whole system creating a gluttony of RDHs. Far too many 'fast track' schools graduating far too many "DHs" and this is what you get... The quality of dental hygienist will no doubt be compromised as one compares a 4 year BSc grad and an 18 month (no preprofessional year) graduate....come on guys---you've GOT to be kidding!! Pathetic...and who is smiling all the way to the bank....knowing the market's flooded and DHs are a dime a dozen and will almost work for ANY hourly wage JUST TO GET A JOB and start paying off that HUGE PRIVATE school tuition bill......

it's all just so sad.....

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exp in Epping, New Hampshire

57 months ago

30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta said: Hey guys.....it's very sad what has been happening within our job market in Alberta and across the country. It isn't rocket science...if there are only 15,000 DHs in the country, and one province (ON) is graduating 1100 PER YEAR for the last 4 years...we've got a FLOODING of grads into the whole system creating a gluttony of RDHs. Far too many 'fast track' schools graduating far too many "DHs" and this is what you get... The quality of dental hygienist will no doubt be compromised as one compares a 4 year BSc grad and an 18 month (no preprofessional year) graduate....come on guys---you've GOT to be kidding!! Pathetic...and who is smiling all the way to the bank....knowing the market's flooded and DHs are a dime a dozen and will almost work for ANY hourly wage JUST TO GET A JOB and start paying off that HUGE PRIVATE school tuition bill......

it's all just so sad.....

Hi 30yr VET, It's 23yr VET. Yes, it is sad, but two D.H.'s down here in the states say that TX and Spokane Washington have plenty of jobs (new D.H.'s who have employment)....so, send those who want a license in the states to work D.H. to those areas....we'll see how long those 2 have their jobs. They feel what we who are looking or competing with the many are in the wrong field, and are not passionate about what we do, or it's just us....so to all who want a job in D.H.....check out their threads. It's sad when those like these two D.H.'s say jobs (tangented to teacher, healthcare, etc...)can find employment, you just aren't "passionate" and really looking. Experience? Money saved by the Dr.? These, are not taken into account...maybe, someday they will understand what alot of others are saying...or they may just continue to have tunnel vision as to what's going on in D.H.

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30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta

57 months ago

exp in Epping, New Hampshire said: Hi 30yr VET, It's 23yr VET. Yes, it is sad, but two D.H.'s down here in the states say that TX and Spokane Washington have plenty of jobs (new D.H.'s who have employment)....so, send those who want a license in the states to work D.H. to those areas....we'll see how long those 2 have their jobs. They feel what we who are looking or competing with the many are in the wrong field, and are not passionate about what we do, or it's just us....so to all who want a job in D.H.....check out their threads. It's sad when those like these two D.H.'s say jobs (tangented to teacher, healthcare, etc...)can find employment, you just aren't "passionate" and really looking. Experience? Money saved by the Dr.? These, are not taken into account...maybe, someday they will understand what alot of others are saying...or they may just continue to have tunnel vision as to what's going on in D.H.

I have a great job...and will continue working there for quite some time....it is the new grads i'm worried about...and the fact that my daughter is finishing her first year of sciences and has applied to dental hygiene.....i'm worried for her.....sad for her.....DEGREE FOR ENTRY should be required across Canada within the next five years I hope.....but meantime....we have 18 month grads grabbing jobs wherever they can....quality IS BEING compromised....I've seen it first hand.....

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Lloydminster in Edmonton, Alberta

57 months ago

30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta said: I have a great job...and will continue working there for quite some time....it is the new grads i'm worried about...and the fact that my daughter is finishing her first year of sciences and has applied to dental hygiene.....i'm worried for her.....sad for her.....DEGREE FOR ENTRY should be required across Canada within the next five years I hope.....but meantime....we have 18 month grads grabbing jobs wherever they can....quality IS BEING compromised....I've seen it first hand.....

I agree the province is getting flooded with 18 month grads but when you graduated 30 years ago I am assuming like most dental hygiene programs it was 2 yrs or (16 month programs). The one thing about going to University is you have to take two years of general courses before you get into your specified field. Some of these courses I know first hand can be nothing or very little to do with your specified field, there just credits you need to graduate. It's too bad for anyone who wants to get a degree has to take some of these classes which just cost more and take more time to graduate. I do however know the “quick grads” have to write the same exams as anyone who takes the 4yr program to be a RDH.

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30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta

57 months ago

30 years ago, I did four years at the U of A. Sciences first and then dental hygiene.

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anonymous in Calgary, Alberta

57 months ago

Lloydminster in Edmonton, Alberta said: I agree the province is getting flooded with 18 month grads but when you graduated 30 years ago I am assuming like most dental hygiene programs it was 2 yrs or (16 month programs). The one thing about going to University is you have to take two years of general courses before you get into your specified field. Some of these courses I know first hand can be nothing or very little to do with your specified field, there just credits you need to graduate. It's too bad for anyone who wants to get a degree has to take some of these classes which just cost more and take more time to graduate. I do however know the “quick grads” have to write the same exams as anyone who takes the 4yr program to be a RDH.

I do know for a fact many of the hygienists in the "quick" programs are people that have undergrad degrees. Some of these people have much more education than some of the people complaining about the quick grads. If this is true & they are educated, the rdh field should not be so compromised. I went to a "quick" school with someone with 7 years university. At 1 point degrees for hygiene really had nothing to do with hygiene. Now the schools are offering relevant classes in the degree programs. How many masters programs have anything to do with hygiene? I'm sure there are a couple but not many. I also think that being a DA should be a requirement to entry to hygiene. Many very experienced RDHs couldn't explain procedures to patients if their live depended on it. Then again, they don't understand them either.

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skrrrrrr in Victoria, British Columbia

57 months ago

I disagree about hygienists being DAs first. That would truly suck. I for one would never become a DA. DA school doesn't teach very much about the science of dentistry (even dental biology) at all, but hygiene school does. Of course our professional focus and scope is perio, and we are intensively trained on the science and treatment of perio issues, as it should be. Some hygienists work for specialists and have no need to know about restorations anyways, others are allowed to work with GPs focused only on perio also. Nothing wrong with that.

DAs learn most of what they know from the doc - as should hygienists when it comes to restorative procedures. I agree hygienists should be better trained on explaining restorative options, but I don't think DAing is the way to teach them. I am more well versed on restorative options than the DAs I work with - I learned much of it by working with 5 different dentists. I do respect the hard work DAs do, however. If you ask me to assist the dentist, forget it - I am useless at it, just as most DAs (in GP offices) are useless at understanding and treating perio.

I went into dental hygiene to do dental hygiene. I shouldn't have to do assisting first. It's like asking an engineer to start out as an accountant's assistant - a waste of time doing unrelated work.

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1RDH in Airdrie, Alberta

57 months ago

skrrrrrr in Victoria, British Columbia said: I disagree about hygienists being DAs first. That would truly suck. I for one would never become a DA. DA school doesn't teach very much about the science of dentistry (even dental biology) at all, but hygiene school does. Of course our professional focus and scope is perio, and we are intensively trained on the science and treatment of perio issues, as it should be. Some hygienists work for specialists and have no need to know about restorations anyways, others are allowed to work with GPs focused only on perio also. Nothing wrong with that.

DAs learn most of what they know from the doc - as should hygienists when it comes to restorative procedures. I agree hygienists should be better trained on explaining restorative options, but I don't think DAing is the way to teach them. I am more well versed on restorative options than the DAs I work with - I learned much of it by working with 5 different dentists. I do respect the hard work DAs do, however. If you ask me to assist the dentist, forget it - I am useless at it, just as most DAs (in GP offices) are useless at understanding and treating perio.

I went into dental hygiene to do dental hygiene. I shouldn't have to do assisting first. It's like asking an engineer to start out as an accountant's assistant - a waste of time doing unrelated work.

Agreed. There is nothing I feel I could have gained by doing DA first. We did restorative in school so even had that covered.

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30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta

57 months ago

Wages in Calgary and Edmonton are dropping big time. But the biggest problem is that there are no jobs....none.....the flooded market of ontario has infected our province and unfortunately, the problem is not being addressed fast enough to turn this ship around. We're heading for the ICEBERG.

If you have the marks, go into medicine, pharmacy, physio, etc etc....research out many different jobs and their opportunities for work and stability and benefits and pensions.....

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exp in Epping, New Hampshire

56 months ago

30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta said: Wages in Calgary and Edmonton are dropping big time. But the biggest problem is that there are no jobs....none.....the flooded market of ontario has infected our province and unfortunately, the problem is not being addressed fast enough to turn this ship around. We're heading for the ICEBERG.

If you have the marks, go into medicine, pharmacy, physio, etc etc....research out many different jobs and their opportunities for work and stability and benefits and pensions.....

Hi 30yr VET, Well said!!! I don't know why those thinking of a career continue to think D.H. is "the field of opportunity"....$$$ and employment. After spending the ridiculous amount of money it takes now, they hopefully will find employment...the thing is I think, many want to go into "practice" not Administrative, or sales, as those who say "there are many opportunities,...you should go with your heart...not "REALITY". We are offering I feel more of the downward turn D.H. has taken, to those few in good offices today with ben's....we are truthful, not "negative" as many say-but people will continue to hear and do what they want to, their choice....RESEARCH THE AREA YOU WANT TO WORK IN NOW...SEE HOW MANY R.D.H.'S HAVE REGULAR SET DAYS AND A PAYCHECK THEY CAN COUNT ON, BENEFITS (not now for most)...

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oly in Toronto, Ontario

54 months ago

30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta said: Hey guys.....it's very sad what has been happening within our job market in Alberta and across the country. It isn't rocket science...if there are only 15,000 DHs in the country, and one province (ON) is graduating 1100 PER YEAR for the last 4 years...we've got a FLOODING of grads into the whole system creating a gluttony of RDHs. Far too many 'fast track' schools graduating far too many "DHs" and this is what you get... The quality of dental hygienist will no doubt be compromised as one compares a 4 year BSc grad and an 18 month (no preprofessional year) graduate....come on guys---you've GOT to be kidding!! Pathetic...and who is smiling all the way to the bank....knowing the market's flooded and DHs are a dime a dozen and will almost work for ANY hourly wage JUST TO GET A JOB and start paying off that HUGE PRIVATE school tuition bill......

it's all just so sad.....

hmmmm even if they were all 4 year programs they would still have that many students coming out, someone is just mad that they took forever to figure out a job that only takes 18 months to figure out.

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waterbug100 in Nanaimo, British Columbia

54 months ago

...oly...I'm assuming from your post that you are one of the fast track school 'hygienists', and just want to thank you for helping participate in taking our profession back to the 19th century as far as respect, education and quality of care.

You should feel proud about your personal contribution to the happiness and increase of $$ for the DDS and the continuing downward spiral of dental hygiene.

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anony in Calgary, Alberta

54 months ago

oly in Toronto, Ontario said: hmmmm even if they were all 4 year programs they would still have that many students coming out, someone is just mad that they took forever to figure out a job that only takes 18 months to figure out.

Have you not read the posts??? 18M is not "long enough" to "figure out" hygiene...that's why quickie grads from these private schools SUCK!!!! I am saying this from personal experience with MANY of them; they weren't qualified or capable of getting accepted into a university level or public course and as a result are technically and mentally immature.
Should also add not all of them but yes, the majority of them.

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oly in Toronto, Ontario

54 months ago

anony in Calgary, Alberta said: Have you not read the posts??? 18M is not "long enough" to "figure out" hygiene...that's why quickie grads from these private schools SUCK!!!! I am saying this from personal experience with MANY of them; they weren't qualified or capable of getting accepted into a university level or public course and as a result are technically and mentally immature.
Should also add not all of them but yes, the majority of them.

haha thats funny cuz i moved from alberta 4 years ago and went to an accreditted school and moved back and am now making 65 bucks an hour for the last year and a half and my dentist loves me! I do understand the credibility part as many schools dont require much to pass, my school required triple the amount of patients as most schools so my experience was plenty. everyone in the province is worried about thier jobs, i guarauntee that contractors, plumbers, electritians are all complaining about the same thing, the fact is, get some more education and something that will make your dentist want to pay you more or even keep you from what im hearing. its a dog eat dog world so suck it up.

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waterbug100 in Nanaimo, British Columbia

54 months ago

Thanks oly..you just confirmed what I've already thought about the fast track schools. Sometimes you should keep quiet rather than speak and remove all doubt.

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Tanya in Montreal, Quebec

54 months ago

I'm thinking of applying to UBC's dental hygiene program, but after some research, I found that their entrance average last year was 91%!! I heard the job market in Alberta is really great and hygienists are making 70$ an hour. If I'm crunching my numbers right, working 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year, it comes to about 122K. That's almost what new dental graduates make! I don't really care about benefits since I figure 122k is plenty enough for one person, even after taxes. Should I apply to a private college instead? Which college would you recommend????

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30 year vet in Germany

54 months ago

oly in Toronto, Ontario said: haha thats funny cuz i moved from alberta 4 years ago and went to an accreditted school and moved back and am now making 65 bucks an hour for the last year and a half and my dentist loves me! I do understand the credibility part as many schools dont require much to pass, my school required triple the amount of patients as most schools so my experience was plenty. everyone in the province is worried about thier jobs, i guarauntee that contractors, plumbers, electritians are all complaining about the same thing, the fact is, get some more education and something that will make your dentist want to pay you more or even keep you from what im hearing. its a dog eat dog world so suck it up.

Oly, why did you not try to get into the University of Alberta Dental Hygiene program....? just for interest sake....??

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30 year vet in Germany

54 months ago

Tanya in Montreal, Quebec said: I'm thinking of applying to UBC's dental hygiene program, but after some research, I found that their entrance average last year was 91%!! I heard the job market in Alberta is really great and hygienists are making 70$ an hour. If I'm crunching my numbers right, working 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year, it comes to about 122K. That's almost what new dental graduates make! I don't really care about benefits since I figure 122k is plenty enough for one person, even after taxes. Should I apply to a private college instead? Which college would you recommend????

Tanya,
There are no jobs in Alberta---Edmonton and Calgary are both flooded with Ontario DH grads....since there are no jobs in Ontario left, with Ontario graduating 1100 DHs PER YEAR over the last 4 years.....they are flooding the rest of the country.....and it's very apparent the irresponsible graduation of FAR TOO MANY DHs from these schools has irreparably changed the DH job market.
If I were you, I'd look into other health fields....physio, nursing, occupational therapy, nutrition, radiography, ultrasound tech....etc..... check out all the other possibilities, job shadow other professions.....investigate the options. Dental Hygiene is not what it used to be....and will never be the same again....

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oly in Toronto, Ontario

54 months ago

30 year vet in Germany said: Oly, why did you not try to get into the University of Alberta Dental Hygiene program....? just for interest sake....??

The wait in the U of A was as long as the program in ontario so i decided to go there, not a fan of waiting a year and then spending 4 there, thats five years! thats 3 years of money making that i would have wasted.

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smile in Calgary, Alberta

54 months ago

30 year vet in United Kingdom said: Actually there is no 'waiting list' for the University of Alberta program. Either you get in or you don't....either you have the marks to be admitted or you don't. No one is 'carried over' to the next year..... That is one of the reasons why I see such a solid group of students from the U of A program---they're smart, articulate, and have the abilities to understand all the material they will learn and also apply this education into the profession. These are not students who just come along with the right amount of tuition money....they have to compete for a position within a QUOTA faculty/department. It's not simply, bring tuition money and we'll get you in. I find the idea that some Ontario grads only needed biology 20, and a passing average of 60% and no pre-professional year, and they GET IN TO DENTAL HYGIENE.
The fact that you suggest in your post "the wait in the U of A was as long as the program......" convinces me you don't get it....that you didn't even apply cause then you'd KNOW THERE WAS NO WAITING LIST.....you maybe just didn't have the marks required to GET IN to the U of A.....but quite possibly you had THE MONEY to get into an Ontario school.

When did they abolish the wait list at U of A? At 1 time it was at least 5 years. I do know this for a fact as there was 1 when I was going to apply to complete my degree. It was on the website. That was 3-4 years ago.

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From the outside looking in in Edmonton, Alberta

54 months ago

FYI - SIAST in Saskatchewan previously and probably still has ridiculously long waiting list to get into the Dental Hygiene program. You only need 70% in certain subjects to get in. Oh and it is a two year program, always has been and there is no stupidly high tuition fee that you see in Ontario since it's the same type of college as NAIT and SAIT.

P.S. people lets not get too harsh everyone writes the same National exam in the end right? I do agree though there's too many grads that are flooding the market. Wages are going to go lower and good luck finding a job in any major city. I heard there hiring in Nunavut! jj

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oly in Toronto, Ontario

54 months ago

30 year vet in United Kingdom said: Actually there is no 'waiting list' for the University of Alberta program. Either you get in or you don't....either you have the marks to be admitted or you don't. No one is 'carried over' to the next year..... That is one of the reasons why I see such a solid group of students from the U of A program---they're smart, articulate, and have the abilities to understand all the material they will learn and also apply this education into the profession. These are not students who just come along with the right amount of tuition money....they have to compete for a position within a QUOTA faculty/department. It's not simply, bring tuition money and we'll get you in. I find the idea that some Ontario grads only needed biology 20, and a passing average of 60% and no pre-professional year, and they GET IN TO DENTAL HYGIENE.
The fact that you suggest in your post "the wait in the U of A was as long as the program......" convinces me you don't get it....that you didn't even apply cause then you'd KNOW THERE WAS NO WAITING LIST.....you maybe just didn't have the marks required to GET IN to the U of A.....but quite possibly you had THE MONEY to get into an Ontario school.

Not too sure when you checked last but there is definatly a waiting list and no i did not have the money like most of the rich kids that were in my school, i took a student loan. The biggest miss conception is that you pay the money and you pass which is not true, i took ten classes per semester plus my client care, 14 out of the 52 did not graduate as well so its not a cake walk thats for sure. I do agree that it is flooded but we just gotta keep working and improving ourselves, but i guess a good ramble or two is a good stress release, but kinda pointless. good luck everyone

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waterbug100 in Nanaimo, British Columbia

54 months ago

MacUser...did you go to the same school as oly? It certainly sounds like it.

I think Vet is justifiably objecting, IMO, to the frightening regression in the graduating requirements of the fast track schools. We have gone BACKWARDS. Is that not ridiculous..and does that not bother you?

Yes, you and oly and god knows how many 1000s of others are now 'hygienists', but at what price?

You have contributed to the watering down, flooding of the market, and disintegration of the respect and prestige of being an RDH. Whether intentionally or unintentionally.

And, I'd really love to have known your motivation.

From the outside..yes, we all do write the same board..but how many pass, and how much time in the fast track schools is focused on teaching 'to' the board? How much time is given to teaching quality of care and skills? There are ONLY 18 months in the entire program, from start to finish!
Give that a good long think.

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Mac User in Edmonton, Alberta

54 months ago

waterbug100 in Nanaimo, British Columbia said: MacUser...did you go to the same school as oly? It certainly sounds like it.

I think Vet is justifiably objecting, IMO, to the frightening regression in the graduating requirements of the fast track schools. We have gone BACKWARDS. Is that not ridiculous..and does that not bother you?

Yes, you and oly and god knows how many 1000s of others are now 'hygienists', but at what price?

You have contributed to the watering down, flooding of the market, and disintegration of the respect and prestige of being an RDH. Whether intentionally or unintentionally.

And, I'd really love to have known your motivation.

From the outside..yes, we all do write the same board..but how many pass, and how much time in the fast track schools is focused on teaching 'to' the board? How much time is given to teaching quality of care and skills? There are ONLY 18 months in the entire program, from start to finish!
Give that a good long think.

I Actually did not go to a private school in Ontario. Of course it bothers me but I take it with a grain of salt (hence I was joking). Complaining on here does nothing. What everyone needs to do is starting writing to the CDHA with there complaints and maybe something might be done about the excess grads.

From the Outside looking in has a good point I didn't know that SIAST had a two year program. I wonder why they haven't added in the two years of science and make it a degree.

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exp in Exeter, New Hampshire

54 months ago

Mac User in Edmonton, Alberta said: Haven't you made enough money already? Why don't you retire so the rest of the grads from Ontario/Alberta could have a job! Oh and I'm just bugging you. I thought I better include that so you don't go on another rant.

Mac User, Are you new to DH? Recent grad? If you have a job that's great...but, don't start a "why don't you retire...". Offer helpful info. to others in any positive experiences YOU are having....the market is flooded, so if you are having a hard time finding work you can possibly tangent into a related medical field with recent courses...it's very tough out there for everybody. Vet is only giving what she sees and knows from being in the field for a longtime. Many older RDH's are also STAYING in practice because of loss of income from recession, still enjoy the field , have kids in college, paying mortgages....etc. The schools don't tell you the truth about the lack of job opp's in pp nowadays. The states are going through the same thing in many areas so I understand as a colleague with many yrs. too...What exp's can you offer recent grads and students about the present situation of many in the field and not enough work (unless you want to pursue outside PP...)? My opinion? I feel when students and recent grads have their licenses...they want to start in PP? What's your take?

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Mac User in Edmonton, Alberta

54 months ago

exp in Exeter, New Hampshire said: Mac User, Are you new to DH? Recent grad? If you have a job that's great...but, don't start a "why don't you retire...". Offer helpful info. to others in any positive experiences YOU are having....the market is flooded, so if you are having a hard time finding work you can possibly tangent into a related medical field with recent courses...it's very tough out there for everybody. Vet is only giving what she sees and knows from being in the field for a longtime. Many older RDH's are also STAYING in practice because of loss of income from recession, still enjoy the field , have kids in college, paying mortgages....etc. The schools don't tell you the truth about the lack of job opp's in pp nowadays. The states are going through the same thing in many areas so I understand as a colleague with many yrs. too...What exp's can you offer recent grads and students about the present situation of many in the field and not enough work (unless you want to pursue outside PP...)? My opinion? I feel when students and recent grads have their licenses...they want to start in PP? What's your take?

No I'm not new, I'm not a recent grad and I do have a job. Again it was a joke because that person LIKES TO USE CAPITALS (and seemed a little harsh) and again I will say I have noticed how few jobs there are out there and the need for some measures to be taken. The bottom line is schools need to make money in order to stay in business. Therefore they will say dental hygienists is a good occupation and there's lots of jobs out there. It's the same idea with realtors in the housing market (it's always a good time to buy a house). I don't know about in the states but it seems there is a dentist office, hair salon, and liquor store on every corner here in Alberta. In order to start a PP a person would need the desire, money, clientele, and a dentist and to be successful. Oh and some experience couldn't hurt right?

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RDH in calgary in Calgary, Alberta

52 months ago

Mac User in Edmonton, Alberta said: No I'm not new, I'm not a recent grad and I do have a job. Again it was a joke because that person LIKES TO USE CAPITALS (and seemed a little harsh) and again I will say I have noticed how few jobs there are out there and the need for some measures to be taken. The bottom line is schools need to make money in order to stay in business. Therefore they will say dental hygienists is a good occupation and there's lots of jobs out there. It's the same idea with realtors in the housing market (it's always a good time to buy a house). I don't know about in the states but it seems there is a dentist office, hair salon, and liquor store on every corner here in Alberta. In order to start a PP a person would need the desire, money, clientele, and a dentist and to be successful. Oh and some experience couldn't hurt right?

Ch out bright smiles dental hygiene website

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1RDH in Airdrie, Alberta

52 months ago

Mac User in Edmonton, Alberta said: No I'm not new, I'm not a recent grad and I do have a job. Again it was a joke because that person LIKES TO USE CAPITALS (and seemed a little harsh) and again I will say I have noticed how few jobs there are out there and the need for some measures to be taken. The bottom line is schools need to make money in order to stay in business. Therefore they will say dental hygienists is a good occupation and there's lots of jobs out there. It's the same idea with realtors in the housing market (it's always a good time to buy a house). I don't know about in the states but it seems there is a dentist office, hair salon, and liquor store on every corner here in Alberta. In order to start a PP a person would need the desire, money, clientele, and a dentist and to be successful. Oh and some experience couldn't hurt right?

And Cusp Dental Hygiene
The Edge Dental Hygiene Centre
Dentique

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skrrrrrr in Victoria, British Columbia

52 months ago

According to the U of Alberta, the future couldn't be rosier for dental hygienists!

from the U of A website:
There are many reasons why you should consider a career in Dental Hygiene. As a career, it:
provides almost guaranteed employment;
offers flexible working schedules in pleasant and safe surroundings;
offers above-average remuneration in a respected health care profession;

www.dent.ualberta.ca/dentalhygiene.cfm

ALMOST GUARANTEED employment - well they wrote it so it must be true?

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30 year vet in Concord, Ontario

52 months ago

skrrrrrr in Victoria, British Columbia said: According to the U of Alberta, the future couldn't be rosier for dental hygienists!

from the U of A website:
There are many reasons why you should consider a career in Dental Hygiene. As a career, it:
provides almost guaranteed employment;
offers flexible working schedules in pleasant and safe surroundings;
offers above-average remuneration in a respected health care profession;

www.dent.ualberta.ca/dentalhygiene.cfm

ALMOST GUARANTEED employment - well they wrote it so it must be true?

They have been notified MANY time about what is going on in the marketplace....been told to UPDATE their site.

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Marce in Calgary, Alberta

41 months ago

exp in Epping, New Hampshire said: Hi 30yr VET, It's 23yr VET. Yes, it is sad, but two D.H.'s down here in the states say that TX and Spokane Washington have plenty of jobs (new D.H.'s who have employment)....so, send those who want a license in the states to work D.H. to those areas....we'll see how long those 2 have their jobs. They feel what we who are looking or competing with the many are in the wrong field, and are not passionate about what we do, or it's just us....so to all who want a job in D.H.....check out their threads. It's sad when those like these two D.H.'s say jobs (tangented to teacher, healthcare, etc...)can find employment, you just aren't "passionate" and really looking. Experience? Money saved by the Dr.? These, are not taken into account...maybe, someday they will understand what alot of others are saying...or they may just continue to have tunnel vision as to what's going on in D.H.

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Marce in Calgary, Alberta

41 months ago

I am a " new grad" from Ontario but I agree with you guys. I was a Dentist back home and I had to go through a long and difficult process in order to get into an acredited program (wich is not the same as those
private and expensive schools in Ontario that anybody with the money can get in). For me, that I have previuos background and experience working on the field, 18 month were more than enough. I just wonder how somebody with any experience can get good clinical skills in such a short time, and be as mature as it requires. But DDS don't think about it and those are the people that get the jobs.

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wondering in Edmonton, Alberta

40 months ago

Anyone knows what is the highest hourly paid for hygienist in Edmonton?

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RDH in Ottawa, Ontario

39 months ago

Does anyone know the average hourly pay for a hygienist in Edmonton? I am moving at the end of summer and want to get an idea of what to ask for. I don't want to lower the wage and work for less.

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kaelco in Barrie, Ontario

34 months ago

oh, 30 year vet...you sound old and worried that your going to loose your job to a younger more up to date hygienist.

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granolagirl in Airdrie, Alberta

34 months ago

kaelco in Barrie, Ontario said: oh, 30 year vet...you sound old and worried that your going to loose your job to a younger more up to date hygienist.

Younger does not automatically equal more up to date-now more than ever, sadly. Be careful what you say, life has a sense of humour and what goes around tends to come around :) I'm assuming you're young which may not be true. 30 year vet may be scared-so what? She's human. She's seen some changes and doesn't like it. She speaks up. What do you have to say? Do you have an opinion or only cheap shots?

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lizzle in Calgary, Alberta

34 months ago

You are all scaring me i am about to start my pre professional year at mount royal , is it that bad here in alberta?

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DH in Calgary, Alberta

33 months ago

lizzle in Calgary, Alberta said: You are all scaring me i am about to start my pre professional year at mount royal , is it that bad here in alberta?

Its not good. Call the CRDHA or local temp agencies and they can tell you.
A pre professional year is never a bad thing; many courses can transfer to other health professions that may allow for a better job choice.

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Anon in Langley, British Columbia

32 months ago

30 year vet in Edmonton, Alberta said: Hey guys.....it's very sad what has been happening within our job market in Alberta and across the country. It isn't rocket science...if there are only 15,000 DHs in the country, and one province (ON) is graduating 1100 PER YEAR for the last 4 years...we've got a FLOODING of grads into the whole system creating a gluttony of RDHs. Far too many 'fast track' schools graduating far too many "DHs" and this is what you get... The quality of dental hygienist will no doubt be compromised as one compares a 4 year BSc grad and an 18 month (no preprofessional year) graduate....come on guys---you've GOT to be kidding!! Pathetic...and who is smiling all the way to the bank....knowing the market's flooded and DHs are a dime a dozen and will almost work for ANY hourly wage JUST TO GET A JOB and start paying off that HUGE PRIVATE school tuition bill......

it's all just so sad.....

I can assume you have your 4 year Bsc, unfortunately for you, all you've proved with this post is it doesn't take much real intelligence to earn a BSc either. It simply just takes longer. Personally, I'd take one of your generalized Ontario DH's, over one as ignorant as yourself any day. It is sad that the market is flooded, without a doubt. It's a shame that there are new grads who will offer themselves at such low wage, but there are experienced ones who do the same as well. You have chosen to stereotype a group of your own peers, like it or not. Ones who you know ZERO about. I am sure that all of those grads had the intent to flood the market when they made there career choice. And to generalize them by denoting their own specific skill set is whats really pathetic and narrow minded. They hall have the same reg paper as you do sweetheart, and that means their skill set is recognized as equal to likes of yours.

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exp in Exeter, New Hampshire

32 months ago

Anon in Langley, British Columbia said: I can assume you have your 4 year Bsc, unfortunately for you, all you've proved with this post is it doesn't take much real intelligence to earn a BSc either. It simply just takes longer. Personally, I'd take one of your generalized Ontario DH's, over one as ignorant as yourself any day. It is sad that the market is flooded, without a doubt. It's a shame that there are new grads who will offer themselves at such low wage, but there are experienced ones who do the same as well. You have chosen to stereotype a group of your own peers, like it or not. Ones who you know ZERO about. I am sure that all of those grads had the intent to flood the market when they made there career choice. And to generalize them by denoting their own specific skill set is whats really pathetic and narrow minded. They hall have the same reg paper as you do sweetheart, and that means their skill set is recognized as equal to likes of yours.

Are you a Dentist? BTW, 30yr VET is saying that she feels for these students and the bill of goods the schools, govt/bls, etc. online info articles...have sold them. So what's your background? How many yrs. have you been in the field? What is your working exp. good and bad? How about backing up YOUR diss on a colleague? You sound holier than though...read what you've just written. Offer some positive input if it is there. Tell us about your exp. as an RDH if you are...are you working for a school as a recruiter ANON? I wonder. Do you think it fair that all this info. that incoming students choose to believe from sources they BELIEVE to tell the truth? Other than what I see from the majority on this forum, experiencing the work situation now....I think this is a better source to find the truth in the reality of the DH field which has become a hard to find job...not career, a job after all the money , time and stress they have put into their educations....VET

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granolagirl in Airdrie, Alberta

32 months ago

Anon in Langley, British Columbia said: I can assume you have your 4 year Bsc, unfortunately for you, all you've proved with this post is it doesn't take much real intelligence to earn a BSc either. It simply just takes longer. Personally, I'd take one of your generalized Ontario DH's, over one as ignorant as yourself any day. It is sad that the market is flooded, without a doubt. It's a shame that there are new grads who will offer themselves at such low wage, but there are experienced ones who do the same as well. You have chosen to stereotype a group of your own peers, like it or not. Ones who you know ZERO about. I am sure that all of those grads had the intent to flood the market when they made there career choice. And to generalize them by denoting their own specific skill set is whats really pathetic and narrow minded. They hall have the same reg paper as you do sweetheart, and that means their skill set is recognized as equal to likes of yours.

Why the condescending comments? Calling 30 year vet pathetic, narrow-minded, ignorant and lacking "real" intelligence seems like a mask for your "real" feelings, ANON. What is your story? Why are you threatened by her comments? Who are you anyway?

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Anon in Langley, British Columbia

32 months ago

granolagirl in Airdrie, Alberta said: Why the condescending comments? Calling 30 year vet pathetic, narrow-minded, ignorant and lacking "real" intelligence seems like a mask for your "real" feelings, ANON. What is your story? Why are you threatened by her comments? Who are you anyway?

What is it you seem to think I am masking about my feelings? I stated my feelings, and threatened is the last thing I feel. I find it very interesting that I am the one defending the new generation of RDH's, and now I am being attacked. I am an RDH, have been for 10 years. And this is directed at "exp" as well, I would love to know what part of vet's statement is "feeling" for the "DH's" as she calls them? She is being condescending, she is stereotyping, she is insulting them. I have worked in a number of offices and experienced first hand the shortage of employment. I myself have had a dentist threaten my job stability weekly by throwing out fake ads to show me all the others waiting to take my place should she so choose to let me go. Simply to show me how much less she could pay them vs what she was paying me. If you took the time to actually ready what I wrote you would have seen me state how I do feel it is a shame that our colleagues are offering themselves at significantly lower rates, and it is sad that the market is so incredibly flooded. I am saying she shouldn't insult her colleagues who she knows nothing about. I like to believe I have a career, not just a "job" and its sad that you take such little pride in what you do. I myself, and I am not alone in this thinking, believe that on the other side of this equation to the flooding of RDH's has to do with the fact that there are many RDH's who refuse to retire from private practice. I am still fairly young, but I can say that I feel the effects on my body of working in private practice so I can only imagine what I will feel in another 20 years. But please, continue to attack me, I am the bad guy here...

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exp in Exeter, New Hampshire

32 months ago

Anon in Langley, British Columbia said: What is it you seem to think I am masking about my feelings? I stated my feelings, and threatened is the last thing I feel. I find it very interesting that I am the one defending the new generation of RDH's, and now I am being attacked. I am an RDH, have been for 10 years. And this is directed at "exp" as well, I would love to know what part of vet's statement is "feeling" for the "DH's" as she calls them? She is being condescending, she is stereotyping, she is insulting them. I have worked in a number of offices and experienced first hand the shortage of employment. I myself have had a dentist threaten my job stability weekly by throwing out fake ads to show me all the others waiting to take my place should she so choose to let me go. Simply to show me how much less she could pay them vs what she was paying me. If you took the time to actually ready what I wrote you would have seen me state how I do feel it is a shame that our colleagues are offering themselves at significantly lower rates, and it is sad that the market is so incredibly flooded. I am saying she shouldn't insult her colleagues who she knows nothing about. I like to believe I have a career, not just a "job" and its sad that you take such little pride in what you do. I myself, and I am not alone in this thinking, believe that on the other side of this equation to the flooding of RDH's has to do with the fact that there are many RDH's who refuse to retire from private practice. I am still fairly young, but I can say that I feel the effects on my body of working in private practice so I can only imagine what I will feel in another 20 years. But please, continue to attack me, I am the bad guy here...

So you are an RDH, want the older ones to retire to make room for you and others? Well, that seems to be self interest. Do you realize, I guess not, that those who choose to continue working , do, due to loss of income and need an income?

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granolagirl in Airdrie, Alberta

32 months ago

Healthy competition in the marketplace, meant to protect consumers from high prices, is one the goals of our current economic model.

Unfortunately there are too few private hygiene clinics in North America to have any effect toward acieving these goals.

The result? Dentists get richer(as hygiene wages drop), prices for hygiene treatment remain virtually the same, and the job market gets hugely flooded with hygienists.

The competition is now between providers of dental hygiene- not for clients $ but for a job(career if you wish to call it that).

Ditto for many other "workers" in other fields. The rich are getting richer in our global economy. Like it or not, you are a cog in the massive economic wheel.

Pointing fingers at colleagues will not help. Everyone has a story and they are all valid. So the question is not why oversaturation happened or who to blame, but what you plan to do about it, and that is a personal choice. We would be most empowered if we could find something constructive to focus on.

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Anon in Langley, British Columbia

32 months ago

granolagirl in Airdrie, Alberta said: Healthy competition in the marketplace, meant to protect consumers from high prices, is one the goals of our current economic model.

Unfortunately there are too few private hygiene clinics in North America to have any effect toward acieving these goals.

The result? Dentists get richer(as hygiene wages drop), prices for hygiene treatment remain virtually the same, and the job market gets hugely flooded with hygienists.

The competition is now between providers of dental hygiene- not for clients $ but for a job(career if you wish to call it that).

Ditto for many other "workers" in other fields. The rich are getting richer in our global economy. Like it or not, you are a cog in the massive economic wheel...

Granolagirl I completely agree with you, the purpose of my last post was to play devils advocate, to show its both sides that are contributing to the issue. I myself would never go out and point fingers about this issue because I realize it has 2 sides. What I am finding hard to believe, is that no one is addressing the fact that Vet was blatantly verbalizing what her opinion on it was (to blame the schools and to also blame all these young hygienists, along with stating how "obvious" it is that they are incompetent). Instead, I am being subjected to the Spanish inquisition, not so much by yourself but by Exp, and made into this bad guy who dissed a colleague. Well yes, I let her know my views on what she said and I stand by them. She created a stereotype with no solid basis, not addressing any other contributing factors. I don't believe I am not the only one who believes stereotyping to be ignorant.

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