Chiropractor VS. Spa - Which do you work at and why?

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JOJO in Spring Hill, Florida

52 months ago

I worked in a chiro office in much the same capacity you are talking about. They pay $15. I have not been doing massage as long as you, however I did PRN fill in at chiropractors all over town. The main problem is exactley what you said, it's feast or famine. I finally started working for a spa. I am making "MUCH" more money. The down side to the spa is that I have to work on Saturdays. Now that I have seen how much potential money there is to be made, my facialist friend and I are going to stop working for other people and open our own spa.

I understand some people are just more comfortable with the idea of working 9-5 or 6 in a chiro office, I thought I was too, but we all need to make a living. If you have worked for this doctor for a while, and he values you, he will have no problem paying you $15 to $20 an hour. After all, you know as well as I good, reliable massage therapists are hard to come by, and trust me he does not want to have to try to replace you! Good luck. If you think $20 is too much then ask for $18, but I would'nt go any lower.

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Karma06 in Chillicothe, Ohio

52 months ago

JOJO in Spring Hill, Florida said: I worked in a chiro office in much the same capacity you are talking about. They pay $15. I have not been doing massage as long as you, however I did PRN fill in at chiropractors all over town. The main problem is exactley what you said, it's feast or famine. I finally started working for a spa. I am making "MUCH" more money. The down side to the spa is that I have to work on Saturdays. Now that I have seen how much potential money there is to be made, my facialist friend and I are going to stop working for other people and open our own spa.

I understand some people are just more comfortable with the idea of working 9-5 or 6 in a chiro office, I thought I was too, but we all need to make a living. If you have worked for this doctor for a while, and he values you, he will have no problem paying you $15 to $20 an hour. After all, you know as well as I good, reliable massage therapists are hard to come by, and trust me he does not want to have to try to replace you! Good luck. If you think $20 is too much then ask for $18, but I would'nt go any lower.

Thanks JOJO that helps! :)

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Lingling in Plano, Texas

47 months ago

sheri in Lake Worth, Florida said: well you are one of those Therapist that allows a Chiro to take advantage of our skills. Wow he raised your pay to 15,when he collects triple that. Hold your head up high and know how you should be treated.

Insurance(ex. BlueCross BlueShield) only pay CPT 97140 manual therapy $21.15 for 8 to 23 minutes(massage similar pay). It is very difficult to charge more than one session. Insurance will not pay for it. I never successful to charge 2 sessions so I give up. Please ask your DC show you the bill so you know what is going on in the real world. I show my MT the bill to make her understand. The DC provide you the space and deal with insurance with document to get that little money. You real think it is so easy to deal with insurance company. Lots of time insurance don't pay the DC too. 85% DC clinic are out of business because they don't make enough. All my staff and my MT are like my family. We help each other to survive. Please do your research before you say any word. You can try to open your own clinic to see what is going on in the real world too.

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lgd22 in Atlanta, Georgia

44 months ago

Hey LMTs.....I work for two different Chiros...one is a cash only business and the other insurance based.
cash only offers 1hr massage for 40, we get 20. Insurance base charges 90-120, we only get 30 outta that...terrible! We get tips, sometimes I make 100 in a weekend and other times maybe 20. Ive never worked in a spa environment. Im thinkinng of dropping the cash only and adding a spa in its place, just because I believe I will come out with more money with a lower hourly wage, more clients, more tips...

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Kerri in Fort Worth, Texas

42 months ago

Melissa said: Work for chiro.In the past we have had unloyal massage therapist trying to take patients out of practice and offering them cheaper rates. We want to grow a loyal team of employees and create a system which benefits the pateient with great care and results from treatment. Would like to hear from MT as to what would be your dream pay and what would keep you loyal as a tema member to a pracvtice and grow together ????

I'm in the Houston area. My dream job would be to work as an employee, $30 - $35 an hour. Working no more than 35 hrs per week. A one week paid vacation per year along with some 401k & health insurance plans for me to invest in. Oh, and Of course having all of my supplies adequately stocked at the clinic, since I'd be working there as an employee, the Chiro is the one who'll be claiming all of those tax cuts, instead of me. Having all these terms to be written out in a contract and agreed to by all parties involved.

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MT in Fraser, Michigan

40 months ago

Chiropractors must have a massage therapist and to be honest or their 10 min. adjustment wont stay as well if they don't have a MT on their staff. Chiropractors devalue MT's but the truth is that the adjustments without a massage don't stay as long. Chiropractors should treat MT's MUCH better but they don't. No raise, Very little base pay, no benifits. they will squeeze time and money out of you..make you clean your own linens..not pay you for your extra time..make you feel guilty when you dont do free 5min. massages for very little money if any. When those 5 min. chair massages are very hard on hands..and back..

Muscles are what pulls the bones out of place along with all the abuse we do to our bodies from wear and tear - But , Chiropractors don't want you to feel important. Because they know our hour of massage prior to the adjustment makes them look like the best Adjuster on the planet and holds their work in long enough to heal the client...And makes the chiro's job a dream because the muscles are loose and are easier way easier to adjust.

But, Chiro's don't want MT's to know that. And mistreat us..even though they need us much more then they will ever admit.

There are many advantages and disadvantages to working with a Chiropractor:

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MT in Fraser, Michigan

40 months ago

Pro's with working under a Chiro:
1) Clinical environment
2) Get a different set of Clients that will take you more therapeutically right away but expect you to speak and know and understand therapeutic practice.
3) I have never been approached for anything rude..especially since the client will often see me and the Chiropractor. Sets up more professional environment.
5)You get a set of clients from working with the Chiropractor

CONS:
1) Chiropractor typically undervalues the Massage Therapist. Even thought we make them look good by getting the muscles relaxed to let them have to work less to give a better adjustment.
2) Can not write anything off working as employee.
3) Sometimes Chiropractors wont let you work on clients with out an adjustment.
4) i have never met a Chiropractor who paid a MT fairly. They always cheapen us to the lowest they can and give us NO benefits NO VACATION PAY.
5)A lot of times Chiropractors can get away with paying you by the massage instead of by the "hour"...supposed to get 18 an hour? oh, wait, they made my schedule 4 consecutive hour sessions - oh wait..that's 18 per massage. We get cheated. They charge 90 / hr and can change an insurance company and make bank.
6)For an MT to have to have insurance, Certificates and keep up wit education and the like..we are expected to pay alot out a year and we typically don't make enough o justify that
7) YOU DON'T WORK 40 HR WORK WEEKS AS MASSAGE THERAPIST. YOU JUST DON'T. YOU WONT MAKE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY DOING MASSAGE AS CAREER BEFORE YOU BURN OUT, UNLESS YOU OWN YOUR OWN BUSINESS. FACT. THIS IS FACT. Unless you are a TEACHER at a school, or own your own business..you will work your tail off and not get the return.
8) 40 hrs wrk week wont happen. You wont be able to sustain it. I love giving massage, but you will BURN OUT...and wont be able to do them anymore. - My best advice is don't quite your day job - Do massage as side job. Ends don't justify means as in profits.

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MT in Fraser, Michigan

40 months ago

JOJO in Spring Hill, Florida said: I worked in a chiro office in much the same capacity you are talking about. They pay $15. I have not been doing massage as long as you, however I did PRN fill in at chiropractors all over town. The main problem is exactley what you said, it's feast or famine. I finally started working for a spa. I am making "MUCH" more money. The down side to the spa is that I have to work on Saturdays. Now that I have seen how much potential money there is to be made, my facialist friend and I are going to stop working for other people and open our own spa.

I understand some people are just more comfortable with the idea of working 9-5 or 6 in a chiro office, I thought I was too, but we all need to make a living. If you have worked for this doctor for a while, and he values you, he will have no problem paying you $15 to $20 an hour. After all, you know as well as I good, reliable massage therapists are hard to come by, and trust me he does not want to have to try to replace you! Good luck. If you think $20 is too much then ask for $18, but I would'nt go any lower.

That is the issue: you can not do massages all day long for 18 / hr. If you pulled 4 sessions you should make at least 30-35 a session. Chiropractors take advantage of MT's..to much..its horrible.

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MT in Fraser, Michigan

40 months ago

DCnMN in Maple Grove, Minnesota said: I’m a DC in MN that uses Massage Advantage. If you think this is all they do you must be a FRAUD yourself. I tried and tried to get listed with Groupon and Living Social and they kept telling me I was on "the list". Well after almost a year I gave up. Within weeks of joining Massage Advantage both of my MT's and my office were filled with new clients and patients. They never told me they did all the marketing. As a matter of fact they design all the marketing materials and I do pay for them, but that’s the same with every other business I own. My wife who owns a franchise even is required to spend a percentage of her gross revenues on adverting and at least they allow me to set my own budget. They also do all the online marketing for me and I receive new clients every week from their online shopping cart. Since this is a program offered in clinic at MY expense I don't see your point in saying "your looking out for the MT's"? You must not be a DC or MT, just some loose cannon with a competitor who is most likely is a competator getting their teeth knocked in from a better program. Like a Envious Envy owner??

Chiropractors DO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF Massage therapists. We get 18/hr we work that entire hour. A chiropractor works 10 mins. AFTER we loosened up the muscles and made the job easy for ya..and then a MT gets like oh , a lousy 18/hr..and you guys charge 90 a session to insurance..yea..

Massage therapists get SCAMMED ALL THE TIME..We get taken advantage of. We have to get more credentials and get more education every year then most doctors. I dont know a single doc that has to get education credits every year to only make 18/hr..its a joke..and a MT works way harder then any Adjuster..takes you guys 10 mins. We are working muscles for an hour..AN HOUR..

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MT in Fraser, Michigan

40 months ago

You were completely mistreated. And it happens a lot with Chiropractors. We were taught in school that you can not work hourly shifts like a normal job. And you just can't especially if your working Deep Tissue. Deep Tissue is a lot of work..way more work then a Chiropracter does in a 10 min. adjustment.

Dont work for 10 / hr. just walk away laughing. Dont accept that. Ididnt. When looking for work..i would laugh at a clinic if they offered that amount - and wouldnt do it. You cant afford it. There is only a small window in our short lives and when we devote it to helping others dont cheat yourself..try to make enough to be a valuable side job at least lol..

Massage isnt a full time job - its part time. It is a good job if your significant other is working full time and you work part time to help pay bills...but you cant do MT full time unless your 18 and even then you will only do it a small amount of time before you BURN OUT.

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MT in Fraser, Michigan

40 months ago

Lingling in Plano, Texas said: Insurance (ex. BlueCross BlueShield) only pay CPT 97140 manual therapy $21.15 for 8 to 23 minutes(massage similar pay). It is very difficult to charge more than one session. Insurance will not pay for it. I never successful to charge 2 sessions so I give up. Please ask your DC show you the bill so you know what is going on in the real world. I show my MT the bill to make her understand. The DC provide you the space and deal with insurance with document to get that little money. You real think it is so easy to deal with insurance company. Lots of time insurance don't pay the DC too. 85% DC clinic are out of business because they don't make enough. All my staff and my MT are like my family. We help each other to survive. Please do your research before you say any word. You can try to open your own clinic to see what is going on in the real world too.

- That is not an MT's problem. In fact, you can collect cash or make a client pay instead of doing insurance. The chiropractor i worked for charged 90 a hr session 45/half hr..i got 18 / hr.. insurance paying about 35 of it..and only paid me 18. That means he made A LOT OF PROFIT. Massage therapists dont take up MORE then what is already at the shop..we are there same amount of time you use your electricty and you will pay the same for rent..if we were not there... The rooms will be there even if we are not..and we even bring in more clients. In fact, if your running your business right - you inform the client why they pay for a massage. you do NOT lower your wages to bring in less profits..your only hurting your business and will lower the quality of your employee and lower your standard of service. A well trained MT wont work for 10/hr.

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MT in Fraser, Michigan

40 months ago

That is another issue. 30 yrs ago there were no regulations..no requirements ..no educational costs..no certs..no licenses..no insurance requirements..

that means more money back then to the MT lol.

I love massage..i do it for the love of it..but i can not rely on it for profits when working for someone else.

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BIBI in Langhorne, Pennsylvania

39 months ago

sheri in Lake Worth, Florida said: well you are one of those Therapist that allows a Chiro to take advantage of our skills. Wow he raised your pay to 15,when he collects triple that. Hold your head up high and know how you should be treated.
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I am marketer for a DC. He pays me $9/hr to bring patients in for massage therapists. Without me massage therapist won't have people to massage. Also, there is other cost of marketing material.

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BIBI in Langhorne, Pennsylvania

39 months ago

DC pays me $9/hr to bring new clients in for the massage therapists. Also, there is other marketing material costs. Without me, the marketer, massage therapists won't have any clients.

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BIBI in Langhorne, Pennsylvania

39 months ago

Massage in Missoula in Missoula, Montana said: My DC paid me 13/half hour treatment ( worked on them for 25 min.)to begin with then raised me to $15 he also allowed me to take my clients to my private practice so long as they kept seeing me right before their DC treatments as well.

My DC was GREAT he paid me every week, billed for me, encouraged(almost required)his clients to see me, and only asked that once a month I make myself available at the Chamber of Commerce meetings. Those meeting usually included wine, food , drawings for free cool stuff and me doing chair massages for a short time and then enjoying the "meeting".SO I had a totally different experience than most with my DC. I loved it. Did I mention he provided EVERYTHING except linens.

I am marketer and get clients for massage therapists. I charge $9 per hour to DC. Also there is material cost for marketing.

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BIBI in Langhorne, Pennsylvania

39 months ago

DC in California in San Diego, California said: I would like to comment... How many of you MT's out there are bringing in new clients and referring them to your D.C.? I have found that most MT's want to be spoon fed their clients. The cost and effort of client acquisition is enormous. I suggest that if you are not happy working for a D.C. move on. You are not only limiting yourself but the D.C. as well and that does not serve the public. A successful staff works as a team with the primary goal of serving the public. Also, if you are an MT in CA making $30 an hour as an employee and the cost of a one hour massage is $60. After payroll and taxes the D.C. just about breaks even. I think most of you should go out on your own for a while and get a taste of what its like to build a practice from the ground up. It will only make you better at what you do.

I charge $9 hourly and bonus to bring clients to my DC's office. I am marketer and without my service, Massage Therapists won't have clients. Also, there are other expenses for marketing. Events, direct mailing, follow up calls, retention calls etc. This is why many massage therapists won't go their own because they won't be able to afford someone like me. There is big competition out there and it is very very costly to acquire and retain clients. If I don't stay on top of my job, clients migrate very easily to others just based on lower massage price. Massage is massage and there are many good therapists out there. It is really competitive out there and I have to work harder and harder... each day to keep our massage therapists busy.

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pvcra06 in Moline, Illinois

27 months ago

sheri in Boynton Beach, Florida said: well I thought I would be doing massages alone,now wants us the MT's to take out the trash at the end of the night,wipe down Chiro's tables,file. Somebody out there,please share what the MT's do at a Chiro's office. Times are hard,but should I put up with this crap,did I get my license to take out trash?

Depending on your state and if you are considered an employee or subcontractor. If you are a subcontractor and pay rent this is considered illegal, they are not allowed to treat you like an employee. If they do there can be some major tax ramifications. If you get paid hourly and they pay part of your taxes then you are an employee and you have to do as they say!

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bryanavoti in Florida

24 months ago

You shouldn't compare chiropractor with spa. They have huge difference. Chiropractic treatment techniques involve manual therapy, adjustment to the spine, other joints and soft tissues.

Panama City Beach Chiropractor( www.thebaydoctor.com/ )

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barbarafarr in Palos Hills, Illinois

2 months ago

DC in Chicago, Illinois said: Just an FYI....If you bill an INS company $50 you would probably expect to collect $30, subtract from that number supplies & laundry per massage then minus staff time for scheduling, billing & collecting that money & sometimes never getting paid at all

I am working at a chiropractors office doing Reiki.
What I have set up with the chiropractor is that I am a sub contractor.
I split what I make 50/50 and have to file a 1099 form at the end of the year.
I shall see how this works out for me.
I am basically renting space in which it will give me more knowledge on how to run my own private practice when I get to that point in my life.
I am looking at this as a stepping stone in my life.

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Lynn in Bowling Green, Ohio

15 days ago

Confused in Sacramento, California said: I work in a chiro office and we're thinking about bringing on a massage therapist for 2-3 days a week. We wouldn't provide any of the materials, because we've never had a MT before and wouldn't even know what to get! Would a MT prefer to be paid hourly, or paid per massage? If it's per massage, what percentage would you say is fair? Is it unreasonable to expect a MT to provide their own materials?

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The more they provide the more they should be paid. But I don't know the area you are in and such. Check with other Chiro's in the area to get a feel for things. I would at the very least provide a massage table, bolster, chair for client, small table for client to put things on, small clock, small lamp, small cabinet for linens, maybe some sheets, face cradle covers, blankets, pad for table. linens do have to be washed, which takes time and money.

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Jeff in Chicago, Illinois

3 days ago

floridasun in Spring Hill, Florida said: Does this chiro know that it is against Florida massage laws to have someone in his office practicing massage therapy on a client . You have to be licensed in the state of florida to do massage . I have been licensed for three yrs and i work for a chiro and a day spa.

I thought a therapist with a pending license can work under a chiro's license? Here in Illinois, they can piggyback on a chiro's license

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