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Clive Andrews in Gig Harbor, Washington

98 months ago

I'm a parelegal student at a community college and have been considering switching to a network administration program. I am already aware that many people consider the paralegal career a lousy one and the purpose of this thread is not to discuss that. All I want to know is how bad the job market for entry-level paralegals really is. Am I correct in understanding that the legal profession currently suffers from an excess of qualified candidates, that projections regarding the growth of this field have turned out to be wrong, that things are not likely to get any better as the economy decends into the am prepared to take the crap that comes with being a paralegal, but if there are no jobs, then there are no jobs....

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Clive Andrews in Gig Harbor, Washington

98 months ago

Sorry, the board distorted my post. That should read: "I am prepared to take the crap that comes with being a parelegal..."

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Clive Andrews in Gig Harbor, Washington

98 months ago

I'm a guy in my 20s, if it matters.

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Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida

98 months ago

If you look through all the legal secretary and paralegal forums, you see almost in all states, jobs are scarce. Look on Indeed and look on craigslist, and you will see many jobs posted - mostly by recruiters. Unfortunately, almost all of those ads are fake. Really, how well you do depends on where you live. A few hours ago I posted the unemployment rate for all the states - see where your state fits in.

Almost every single one of us on here, with any comment about the legal field - have been in the legal field for many years; some of have Bachelor's Degrees, paralegal degrees; and a few have jobs but are worried about getting dumped, a few have jobs they don't like, and most of us do not have a job.

Myself, twenty years ago I left court reporting (even though I had RPR status) for the stability AND SECURITY of a legal position. I have pulled out my Stenograph Machine, inked the spool, changed the ribbon, stared at it, and started writing. I ordered a new speed tape to practice. I am practicing in front of court TV. To be a court reporter now, I need to buy new computerized equipment (expensive). But I think I have a much better chance of getting a court reporter position than a legal position. Right now, being a court reporter feels like security.

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Paralegal in Dallas, Texas

98 months ago

Your entry level job will more than likely be low paying and not a paralegal position, but a file clerk, receptionist, secretary type position and may or may not have benefits. There are exceptions and I was one. I went straight into a paralegal job, but the vast majority of paralegal graduates get no job or some low paying thing.

Once you are in the field though, you should be able to stay in it, if you are any good, and work your way up. The legal community is small even in the biggest cities, so you don't want to burn bridges. These attorneys talk to each other and know each other from law school, case work, continued legal eduction events, bench bar conferences, etc. and a quick phone call can ruin any chances of you getting a job if you have burned a bridge.

I would probably go into another field. In this state, we have attorneys applying to be paralegals there aren't enough attorney gigs. That's another issue.

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Paralegal in Dallas, Texas

98 months ago

Oh, regarding the fact you are male - my last law firm loved to have male paralegals and they had several. They were harder workers than the females, sad to say. All were single no kids, one was also a licensed private investigator so he could do additional things, another went and graduated from law school but then realized he didn't want to be a lawyer and he became a paralegal instead and the 3rd one quit and went to law school after being a paralegal. The guys make more money than the females, too. Oh, there was a 4th male paralegal, but he married and had a baby on the way, so he had to make more money to support the family, so he changed careers.

My current firm does not have a male paralegal currently, but has had one in the past. I would say there is no prejudice towards males at all, at least around here. I even know a male legal secretary who was promoted from the mail room. He only has a high school education.

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Clive Andrews in Gig Harbor, Washington said: I'm a parelegal student at a community college and have been considering switching to a network administration program. I am already aware that many people consider the paralegal career a lousy one and the purpose of this thread is not to discuss that. All I want to know is how bad the job market for entry-level paralegals really is. Am I correct in understanding that the legal profession currently suffers from an excess of qualified candidates, that projections regarding the growth of this field have turned out to be wrong, that things are not likely to get any better as the economy decends into the am prepared to take the crap that comes with being a paralegal, but if there are no jobs, then there are no jobs....

Being a Paralegal is not a lousy profession. I have been a systems specialist for 15 years before training to become a Paralegal. I make over 50K and is quite happy in my decision. It depends on you and your abilities and what type of firm you work for. Try finding work in a small well established firm where you don't have to work overtime and your boss treats you with respect. If you are a Paralegal and work with many paralegals in a large firm, its hard to be noticed. I stand out because I'm well skilled in varous areas that make being a Paralegal a breeze! Having different skills as well as paralegal skills can open many doors for you.

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Please be advised that no matter what profession you choose, you will work your butt off! For example "people that work in McDonald's work harder than Paralegals!" You have to work for yourself in order to get the credit for everything. Do not let people discourage you from being what ever it is that you want to be. I am a Paralegal and a good one. I don't work overtime and I get paid well. And my bosses respect me because I demand RESPECT no matter who I work for.!!

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: You miss the point. You can work as hard as hell, but don't expect credit to accrue for your hard work. If anything, you will have more and more work dumped on you. You will work harder and harder with lesser and lesser thanks. I know. They need to hear the truth. You are an exception to not working overtime. And don't mislead people by saying you've never worked overtime. No one will buy it. Anyone can "demand" respect. Whether respect is given is another matter. Even if you rightfully earn respect, it doesn't follow that you'll get it.

What would you do if your demands were not met? Walk out? Walking out from a job is not as easy as you may think, especially if you have responsibilities.

When I say I demand Respect, I mean just that. No boss can speak to me in way that do not want me to respond to them. I will not walk out but I will respond in the same tone letting one know I am not having it. You can fire me, no problem. I am a human being first and an employee second. Alaways remember that and you too will be respected! And I don't work overtime! My rule! eight hours is enough of work, I have a life besides WORK. I am not trying to be special but you get what you except out here!

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Paralegal in Dallas, Texas

97 months ago

More and more paralegals are getting overtime pay for working over 40 hours and firms HATE to pay overtime, so I can believe it when I talk to a paralegal who doesn't work overtime. If I work over 40 I have to get attorney approval and the reason I have OT on my timesheet better be that we were in trial that week. That's the only reason they accept. I got to leave early last Friday because I hit 40 hours at 4:00pm.

I guess the dept of labor considered paralegals non-exempt now??

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Continued...

Too late to help me in my first firm. Had I tried for overtime in my next firm, World War III would have started, guaranteed, and I would have lost, guaranteed.

Here again, not being paid overtime is one thing (and what do you about being sent home without being allowed to finish your work). Allegedly refusing to work overtime is quite another. I guess anyone can refuse to work overtime, even if unpaid, at peril of losing one's job.

Thank goodness that I am an exception to the way I would allow someone to treat me in a job. If you go out and work for someone it's important to have confidence in yourself that way you don't have to take crap from anyone which I have been practicing all of my working years. I have put a few employers in there place and let them know abuse won't be tolerated from me. Either I'm an employee or a slave with no rights and I always choose the first. I am a human being first as I said before. You have to know how to handle situations in a professional manner by letting the other person know that they can not talk to you anyway they feel like it. Besides with my background and knowledge I am willing to sit on my ass and collect unemployment rather than be treated like an idiot. I can tell that must of you that are surprised that I am that way and that I don't work overtime must be young with little proud about yourself. Once you know who you are and what you want out of life, you won't except crap from any employer. Just the way I found this job, I can find another. Not every employer is an ass****, so take proud in yourself because life is short and you don't need to go to work and be treated without respect. For those of you that allow your boss to talk to you any kind of way deserves it! Good luck in your Paralegal profession and remember one thing YOU CAN SUE YOUR BOSS FOR MENTAL ABUSE!!! So be MEN and Women!!! Peace!!!!

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: As Paul Harvey would have said, that's the rest of the story. But KD makes it sound that she REFUSES to work overtime. Big and highly misleading difference between timing out and not being allowed to work overtime v. refusing to work overtime.

Continued, below....

As I said, working overtime is a choice. If you are a valuable good worker, you employer won't want to lose you. So not working overtime is excepted because they do not want me to leave!!!

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:

Me, too. I was hired as a paralegal in my first firm. ...

My first job offer was at a BIg Firm in Philadelaphia as a LEGAL SECREARY at $32K- I declined because I knew my typing speed would screw it up- eventually. Yeah, I had to pass a 70 WPM test- I did not- still offered the job. The Partner wanted me so bad - he told HR I would get faster while on the job. I KNEW I WOULD NOT.

The job was 50% dictaphone and 50% administrative.- give or take.

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Working Paralegal in Austin, Texas

97 months ago

I recommend that you go to abovethelaw.com - they are covering a lot of the layoffs in law firms across the country. There is an article dated March 2, 2009 called "Support Staff Taking It On The Chin" on staff layoffs -- if you want a glimpse into what many (not all) associates feel about support staff, read the comments that follow the article - this will give it to you. For those who have worked in law it will be no surprise how much vitriol associates have towards "support staff" - although it seems aimed more at secretaries. I am not saying this should discourage you. I have worked in the legal field for over 30 years as a paralegal, and have worked with both good and bad attorneys (and both good and bad support staff). To me, in the last 5 years especially, there seems to be a tremendous lack of respect for anyone in the law office who is not an attorney. Good luck whatever you decide.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said:

Being a Paralegal.... I make over 50K and is quite happy in my decision. It depends on you and your abilities and what type of firm you work for. Try finding work in a small well established firm where you don't have to work overtime and your boss treats you with respect.....

Having worked in large and small (4-15 attorneys)- if you find a small firm that has all the benefits, including a matching saving plan- I would work there anytime over the "prestige name" of a large firm....REASON- over all, it is easier to function in small firm due to the size and rules- and I myself, never had overtime- always straight hours- period- as a Paralegal.

50K- HUM- what area of law do you work in KD? If I may ask. THEN again, you are in NYC with pay being higher- (say $60-70k if in big firm).

I would say that your $50K in NYC (small firm) translates to $35-$40 in other large cities. My experience being in Philadelphia and Miami- and Wilmington, DE ( a small town with a large legal commmunity)

Heck, our gal Dee Dee in Wilmington, DE was making $50k at BIG firm - she is a "legal secretary" in the patent area of law. - with 10 years of experience.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said:

Having different skills as well as paralegal skills can open many doors for you.

B.S. Attorneys only care about your work experience in the legal environment.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said:

And my bosses respect me because I demand RESPECT no matter who I work for.!!

DLP- Sounds like another Dee Dee in Wilmington, DE.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said:

When I say I demand Respect, I mean just that. No boss can speak to me in way that do not want me to respond to them. I will not walk out but I will respond in the same tone letting one know I am not having it. You can fire me, no problem. I am a human being first and an employee second...

KD - you are a trip- like an LSD trip, gone crazy.

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

To answer your question, I've never sued an employer, didn't have to. Demanded RESPECT as I will until retirement. I have worked for over 30 years as a professional and always have a good attitude. I realize that I did not know my employer before I started working for him so that tells me that I don't actually need him!! I need a JOB of course but I don't need any JOB. You may say what you like but as I near retirement, I will teach my children that their dignity and respect comes first, everything else will fall into place as it did and will continue to do for me. I guess its okay to treat you like crap as long as you keep your job. So SAD!!!

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Paralegal in Dallas, Texas said:

I guess the dept of labor considered paralegals non-exempt now??

In the years of say 94 through 98,- in Philadelphia- paralegals did not get paid overtime. Period. If they had billable hours- had to work a smany hours as it takes to meet the billables- that is why I never took billable hour jobs.

GEEZ- the "excemption" must have changed by law.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said: ......

, so take proud in yourself because life is short and you don't need to go to work and be treated without respect....

KD- the word you are looking for is "PRIDE", not proud in yourself.

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Working Paralegal in Austin, Texas

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: I'll second that! But it doesn't follow one should rebut disrespect with further disrespect - though, believe me, I would have loved to at times. As a practical matter, I would have lost.

Thanx for your post about the article.

I in no way would ever recommend showing disrespect to anyone at all. That is not professional behavior and I choose to be as respectful as I can to everyone regardless of the behavior being exhibited to me. I was actually responding to the original poster's question. I simply want hopeful, young people who want to join a law firm in any capacity to understand the culture that exists there. I am not trying to discourage anyone from becoming a paralegal or legal secretary. But the comments from attorneys that follow the article should at least be a warning of what you might encounter.

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: $50K. That pay is par for a five-year paralegal here, but is low for New York City. According to Indeed's salary survey, $66K is average paralegal pay in NYC. I'm certainly impressed.

www.indeed.com/salary?q1=paralegal&l1=new+york%2C+new+york

....though you're ready to pull the trigger at any time, aren't you, KD? Is that what you teach your children? I agree with you in theory, KD. As a practical matter, you are not credible.

Please don't teach your children disrespect and hostility for employers, KD. It doesn't cut it. Unless, of course, you want to support your children for the rest of their lives.

I didn't say I will teach my children disrespect. I said I will teach how to make sure they get respect in the workpalce and any where else they shall travel!!! Don't get confused as to what I'm am saying!!! Employers, Laywers, Judges, Police officers ... who cares. Respect me as I will respect you. I will not have it any other way.!!!

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Working Paralegal in Austin, Texas

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said: I didn't say I will teach my children disrespect. I said I will teach how to make sure they get respect in the workpalce and any where else they shall travel!!! Don't get confused as to what I'm am saying!!! Employers, Laywers, Judges, Police officers ... who cares. Respect me as I will respect you. I will not have it any other way.!!!

Perhaps the most important factor to understand about respect is that, in most cases, it is not given automatically by others, but it must be earned. So just because you demand it, does not mean you will get it. Perhaps teaching your children how to EARN respect is what you meant?

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Working Paralegal in Austin, Texas

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: ...and, even then, no assurances you will get it. While respect may accrue to a person, it may never be paid.

I read the "Support Staff Taking It On The Chin" article, Austin. Good blog. I think it's been true for some time that lawyers, especially the younger ones, have become more technologically savvy and have less work to give to support staff. Food for thought for anyone considering a nonlawyer career.

I agree with you DLP. Your posts are the most interesting and insightful I have read. Thank you for sharing your experiences. It's going to be a new world out there in law firms. I hope for the best for all of you still in it.

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PARALEGAL in Needham, Massachusetts

97 months ago

Having been employed as a paralegal now since the 1980's I have advice for all looking into that profession. When I first went into the field with my BA degree and certificate I was very much in demand. It was a new field and I thought I would test it before attending law school. I have worked in many areas of law and was given creditbilty and a feeling of professional status. Recently, like so many legal professionals, I was just laid off. I will now try to re-invent myself and do something else. The reason: the field is saturated with paralegals, many of whom are ex-secretaries looking for a change, people with only associate degrees and believe it or not, some with only a high school diploma. Yes...you do not really need all that schooling to do this.....The field is not regulated. Requirements vary depending on the place of employment. Some paralegals, like myself, are knowledgable and true professionals. Others, I am afraid, are glorified secretaries or office helpers. That is not the way it used to be. There is no discretion when hiring paralegals anymore. I would not reccomend it. It is a dead end job for most. There are few truly professional jobs for paralegals. If you want to be a secretary masquerading as a paralegal then this would be for you. AND for all you aspiring attorneys out there, lawyers are a dime a dozen and unless you go to a top tier school it will take you a hundred years to pay off loans for law school....if you can land a job. Find another field. The respected field of law is so full of really unqualified practicing attorneys (you can get an online degree these days) it will not bring you the social status and income you think that it will. At least, not in the foreseeable future!

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: It does!

Next will be her fashion "trendsetter" postings.

LOL! Respect me and my designer high heels.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:

You remember the Federal Register from legal research class, don't you, Cindy? As I recall, after something's published in the FR as a final rulemaking and thence in the CFR, it is regulatory, and, thus, is law. ...

Do not remember FR from legal research. Do remember say 4 Paralegal graduates of the school I attended come in one day and tell us about their experiences as working paralegals. Remember that I got the idea that there was "unpaid OT" in the paralegal profession.

AS I read your posting - Paralegal does not qualify as a "profession" such as attorney, engineer - paralegal is a trade- actually law is a trade. However, by definition, attorney is a profession.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said: When I say I demand Respect, I mean just that. No boss can speak to me in way that do not want me to respond to them. I will not walk out but I will respond in the same tone letting one know I am not having it. You can fire me, no problem. I am a human being first and an employee second. Alaways remember that and you too will be respected! And I don't work overtime! My rule! eight hours is enough of work, I have a life besides WORK. I am not trying to be special but you get what you except out here!

KD- I know you are trying to express a viewpoint on respect, however, I submit you come off with a very bad 'tude. Shoot - I do not repects you.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said:

Either I'm an employee or a slave with no rights and I always choose the first. Peace!!!!

Actually KD you are an employee with very little rights; you are an employee-at-will. Peace out!!!

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Point well taken. You remember the Golden Rule. He who has the Gold makes the Rules. Ergo, employer has the Gold and thus makes the Rules.

Exactly- He who has the gold rules. AND 'tude is not what any boss wants. bingo, bongo.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Continued...

Too late to help me in my first firm. Had I tried for overtime in my next firm, World War III would have started, guaranteed, and I would have lost, guaranteed...

Oh, you know it. Do not mess with the man who makes the rules.
And especially since the law on who is exemp and non-exempt was not established when you were working, you did not have a leg to stand on.

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Paralegal in Dallas, Texas

97 months ago

Ok, I think I am tired of being a paralegal.

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

As some of you say bosses makes the rule, but If someone doesn't stand up to make changes there will never be any. Rosa Parks didn't follow the rules, she challenged the status quo! Again what I'm am saying is that respect goes two ways not just for the boss. Not all bosses in the Law industry are disrespectful some are I most admit, but when it comes to me, I don't allow it, I'd rather be fired or change jobs. So all of you who say I sound like I have a 'tude are wrong. I do not have an 'tude I have dignity! An Attorney will respect you if you let them know you are not a PUSH Over and that you DEMAND respect in the same way as he does. I'm have been working for over 30 years and you can bet I have been RESPECTED!!! For those of you who are in search for a Paralegal job, use not only your Paralegal skills but use other skills that are associated with the job. For example if you have great computer skills, you are more valuable than someone without it. Small firms are more family like than large ones where you kinda work on a assembly line. Some Paralegal jobs pay very well into the $80,000 and above. Do your research, like at the job postings for certain areas of the law that pay well above 50k with 5 or more years of experience and it depends on who you work for and what you can bring to the table as for me, I have great skills more than just Paralegal skills that is why I can feel the way I do because I can change jobs and utilize my other skills aquired over the years.

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. Say your boss yells and talks to you like you are a idiot. Some people will except that because they are afraid of losing their job. Not me I will respond to you in a way that you will not do it again. If you let your boss treat you a certain way, he will continue to do so. If you let him know who you are and why you are there he WILL respect you. I'm am not afraid of losing a job because I did not make it to 50 years old because of my boss, so he will not decide I my life continues, he can olny decide if I work at his office or not. There are other places to go that will treat you better. Thank God I realize that!!! Please people when you go out into the working industry don't let your bosses treat you like you are a DOG make sure you get the respect you deserve.

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Well call it what you want. I have no problems and I am on jobs for years before I decide to leave, never been fired!! Always demanded RESPECT until I die!!! So that is the end of my conversation on this matter. I will teach my children to give and demand respect from thier employers. Life to short for bulshi!! Peace! Take some classes in self dignity!!!

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Once again, KD, you have a very bad attitude. You are lucky to have a job with your 'tude. And BTW, KD, I counted something like eight capitalization, punctuation and other English errors in your last post. Strong English skills are important for law, KD. Perhaps you should brush up.

I am typing fast and this is not a letter to anyone special. So I do not need any grammer lessons because I am well educated. Educated enough to know that I have rights as an employee which apparently you have no idea. Try calling the EEOC and find out employer abuse. As a Paralegal you should have known that. Stop trying to play me because it will not work. Strong, Intelligent, Educated, and Proud!!

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Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida

97 months ago

So whats going on here? Why is KD defending her rights - or opinions - when there is no need for it?

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Mary inTampa in Tampa, Florida said: So whats going on here? Why is KD defending her rights - or opinions - when there is no need for it?

I would like to know that myself. I started to explain how I do not allow my bosses to Disrespect me and now, some say I have an 'tude.. go figure. Those who accept disrespect from bosses, Good for you. I thought I was giving good advice but apparently some like to be mistreated. Any intelligent people out there? Let's Talk!

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KD in New York, New York

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: No, KD, it's bogus advice that runs with your bogus 'tude about respect.

No not at all. I wish I was your boss, I'll treat you like crap and you would not know what to do about it because you need your job. Poor thing!! Proof is in the pudding, I'm still employed and will make it to retirement, so what you say is meaningless. Will demand RESPECT until death. So take care and toda-the-lou. Let me voice my opinion on people with dignity.

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Working Paralegal in Falls Church, Virginia

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said: No not at all. I wish I was your boss, I'll treat you like crap and you would not know what to do about it because you need your job. Poor thing!! Proof is in the pudding, I'm still employed and will make it to retirement, so what you say is meaningless. Will demand RESPECT until death. So take care and toda-the-lou. Let me voice my opinion on people with dignity.

DLP - ignore this flamer. The fact that he/she states "I wish I was your boss" indicates one of those neurotic personalities that gets further whacked out from exposure to the legal field. He/she has his/her own opinion and nothing anyone says will make him/her realize how silly some of it sounds. Let's just let him/her go on his way.

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Working Paralegal in Falls Church, Virginia

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Agreed. You're absolutely correct. Thanx for injecting some sense into this "discussion."

You have to admit, though, that this individual's comments, to say the least, are entertaining. Especially considering this individual has pursued this part of the discussion for three days now. If she really had confidence in what she was writing, she'd let it go.

Entertaining, yes. But, if her comments are any example, can you imagine the work product she must produce?

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said:

... For those of you who are in search for a Paralegal job, use not only your Paralegal skills but use other skills that are associated with the job. For example if you have great computer skills, you are more valuable than someone without it. ......

Anyone who wants a Paralegal job or secretary job must know how to use the computer..That is a given. I do not know any interview where I had to have any "special" computer skills except how to use WP or Word.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

KD in New York, New York said:

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. Say your boss yells and talks to you like you are a idiot.

Deal with it and try not to give attorney them cause to yell. NO- its no fun - If they are being that way a lot- probably do not like you from getgo- which mean you are going out the door, within a short period of entry.

Some attorneys are yellers or like to bark, some crack the whip and push push push for more work. ARE they calling you names? swearing at you?

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said:

...., even if one has "wonderful" "skills," as you claim to have. However, I don't think English capitalization and punctuation are one of them. .......

According to KD, we need to take "Proud" in ourselves.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

OPPS - I did it again- no proof read of my own comment.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Agreed. But showing such things as e-filing, PACER, gawd-awful Amicus and spreadsheet programs is nice.

Of course, Cindy, you remember my TimeSlips story, or, depending on your point of view, non-story.

Oh, I hear you on the extra skills: e-mail, e-filing,

BUT really, that stuff is easy- and if they are interested in you, they will take the time to show you-POINT: the extra computer skills are not a deal breaker when you bring the experience to the table and they like you. Right...

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Agreed. But showing such things as e-filing, PACER, gawd-awful Amicus and spreadsheet programs is nice.

Of course, Cindy, you remember my TimeSlips story, or, depending on your point of view, non-story.

Word.

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kmm in Wilmington, Delaware

97 months ago

Kindly - give me an example of "disrespect"

Yelling and barking at you- that comes with the territory, if your boss is that way...

Pushing you for more work- rough- but not disrespectful.

SO what the heck is disrespect?? Talk to you like an idiot- oh well, that is a barker- boss is pissed and that is the way he/she is dealing today.

Define disrespect. Anyone.

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Paralegal in Dallas, Texas

97 months ago

I think you have to walk a fine line between demanding respect and knowing your place. I replaced a paralegal who demanded respect so much so she was a cancer on the law firm. She had this big chip on her shoulder, she was so ready to be disrespected at every turn.

I really really don't think every paralegal hates their jobs, just because they are paralegals. I know there are regular posters on here who just can't believe any paralegal could possibly be happy, but there are happy paralegals. I know them personally. And there are paralegals who are happy in one job, but not another.

I have been happy but we just had an attorney shuffle and I am not sure this new setup will work for me. The jury is still out. We'll see. And that just shows how crucial the personalities of the attorneys are to the happiness of the paralegal.

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