BS Pharmacy vs PharmD?

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PoorBSPharmacists in Everett, Washington

60 months ago

Joseph is totally correct! I have graduated with BS in Pharmacy and with honors (magna cum laude) and was the top of my class but every place prefers PharmDs! I know that I'm a very knowledgeable pharmacist and did all my internship at in-patient hospital pharmacy and can do a great job at in-patietns hospital setting but they won't even look at my resume because I don't have a PharmD and recenet hospital experience. The unfair thing is when I went to school, PharmD didn't exist yet so it's not like I had a choice. A few years after I've graduated, PharmD programs started. Having always been the top of my class and knowing a lot, now I can't find a job after being laid off from a retail chain trying to save money because I had the least seniority while the lazy pharmacists and techs are still there because they've been there longer and are protected by being union while pharmacists are non-union. It's all really extremely unfair and angers me because I know that I'm one of the best ones out there. Because of that 1 more year of clinical experience, they are called Doctors of Pharmacy while we are called Bachelors of Pharmacy doesn't seem fair either. BSPharmacy is 5 years plus 1500hours of internship which is more like 1 year, 20 hours/wk so should be considered as a master's degree and not a bachelor's degree. They should have never created PharmD to create the discrimination against BS Pharmacists. Had I known that PharmD program was going to start and that it was going to create such grief, I would have chosen med school with my excellent gpa. Life indeed is very unfair!!!

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Richard in Anderson, South Carolina

50 months ago

PoorBSPharmacists in Everett, Washington said: Joseph is totally correct! I have graduated with BS in Pharmacy and with honors (magna cum laude) and was the top of my class but every place prefers PharmDs! I know that I'm a very knowledgeable pharmacist and did all my internship at in-patient hospital pharmacy and can do a great job at in-patietns hospital setting but they won't even look at my resume because I don't have a PharmD and recenet hospital experience. The unfair thing is when I went to school, PharmD didn't exist yet so it's not like I had a choice. A few years after I've graduated, PharmD programs started. Having always been the top of my class and knowing a lot, now I can't find a job after being laid off from a retail chain trying to save money because I had the least seniority while the lazy pharmacists and techs are still there because they've been there longer and are protected by being union while pharmacists are non-union. It's all really extremely unfair and angers me because I know that I'm one of the best ones out there. Because of that 1 more year of clinical experience, they are called Doctors of Pharmacy while we are called Bachelors of Pharmacy doesn't seem fair either. BSPharmacy is 5 years plus 1500hours of internship which is more like 1 year, 20 hours/wk so should be considered as a master's degree and not a bachelor's degree. They should have never created PharmD to create the discrimination against BS Pharmacists. Had I known that PharmD program was going to start and that it was going to create such grief, I would have chosen med school with my excellent gpa. Life indeed is very unfair!!!

Well, it is so funny how you become a much better pharmacist with more letters after your name. you still have to count to 5 and use a key board. The difference I see now is instead of doing the program in 5 years it now takes 6 yrs...same credits, same courses, just an extra year for slave labor so the schools get another years

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CitizenKane in Garrett, Indiana

43 months ago

Optometry moved to a Doctor of Optometry degree at one point. Guess what? They grandfathered the BS optometrists to Doctor of Optometry.

That was before shrewd MBA administrators turned colleges into a den of money mongering thieves.

Nowadays some people even believe you can get a pharmacy degree online because there are online BS to PharmD upgrades.

BTW, other professions were at the 6 year level for their degrees including optometry, podiatry, and dentistry (2+4). Then competition forced everyone to get a bachelors degree before professional school.

MD's are the most overstuffed shirts of all. You don't need that degree to do 80% of medicine. That is why nurses kicked their ass with NP prescribing privileges. I brought this up because pharmacists are attacked as over-educated pill counters. We are, but this principle is true of all professions.

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Celeste B.S. Rph can't find a job in Plano, Texas

12 months ago

So does anyone know how long and/or how many hours of additional schooling does it take to obtain the Pharm. D?
I graduated 2 yrs before the Pharm D was even an option. Now I'm not very marketable, especially since I've only worked Retail the last 17 years.
Thank You :-)

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Ali in Fort Worth, Texas

12 months ago

You can get your Doctoral degree online, if you search google you can find some universities which have transition program in Pharmacy but you must have License to practice Pharmacy to be eligible for transition program.

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Celeste B.S. Rph in Plano, Texas

12 months ago

Ali in Fort Worth, Texas said: You can get your Doctoral degree online, if you search google you can find some universities which have transition program in Pharmacy but you must have License .
to practice Pharmacy to be eligible for transition program.

Thank You Kindly. :-)

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Jim, RPh in Mountain View, California

10 months ago

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Lincoln McGlammory in Hickory, North Carolina

8 months ago

Historical tidbit on the deifying "Pharm D." that I provided to a talent scout after the resume, emails, voice mails etc. My skills and qualifications are air tight. Yet, the position remains unfilled after several months. Makes my blood boil.
Pertaining to the Pharm D. degree that has now been added to the educational requirements for the position, let me add this historical note. I graduated from the Medical University of South Carolina in 1979. In 1980, MUSC became one of the first programs in the country to introduce the Pharm D. degree. Prior to this time there had been much debate in pharmacy over the use of the term "doctor". Dentists were now known as doctors, as were chiropractors, naturopathic, osteopathic, and homeopathic practitioners, optometrists, etc. Why not pharmacists? A degree in pharmacy required more education and training than all these other practitioners (with the exception of dentists) but the 6½ to 7 years of study provided only a BS degree and the title of pharmacist. The professional administrators decided that by adding an additional year of practice exposure in different settings, the recipient would then qualify for an advanced title they chose to call the Pharm D., or "Doctor" of Pharmacy (which became the only pharmacy degree offered in the US by the mid 1980's.) Great, mission accomplished....except, this left the recipient of the BS degree in an inferior position primarily because they had not paid for an additional year of tuition and had not rotated through (usually 3) different practice settings i.e., hospital, retail, nuclear, clinic, home infusion, long term care, etc. All due to it's inferiority complex, the profession had created a superior and an inferior pharmacist. Now, the profession sees a pharmacist with (just a) BS degree and 25 to 30 years of real world experience somehow being inferior to a freshly hatched pharmacist with no real world experience but holds that lofty Pharm D. degree. To be continued.....

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Lincoln McGlammory in Hickory, North Carolina

8 months ago

.....continued.... Sadly, the myopic decision of the 1980's that was to give pharmacy it's place of respect has accomplished very little. Sadder still, is the many pharmacists who are gushing over with wisdom and experience but can't get a second glance without the deifying Pharm D. behind their name. I wonder how many Pharmacy Talent Recruiters are aware of this little tidbit of history?

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Larry Larkin in Knoxville, Tennessee

8 months ago

For me the situation is age discrimination. I am 71. When I graduated from Tennessee College of Pharmacy there was no other degree except the BS.

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Lincoln McGlammory in Hickory, North Carolina

8 months ago

Larry, I've spoken with at least 4-5 talent scouts who were very forthright with their comments about age discrimination. All said they were well aware this practice is against the law but it continues unimpeded in almost every job posting out there....and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. Your best chance (if at all possible) is to personally place your resume in the hand of the decision maker or the talent scout if option #1 isn't possible.

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goreburnelli in Racine, Wisconsin

8 months ago

They don't care whether a pharmacist has a PharmD or not. The sweatshops want debt-burdened young bodies that won't speak up. The older BS RPHs have stronger balance sheets and tend to push back.

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Rachel in Carrollton, Texas

3 months ago

This is absolutely correct, and it is happening in several other health care related fields as well. It has also happened with the basic LVN program in Texas. Basic LVN knowledge such as nutrition and A&P used to be taught as built-in lecture during the LPN class. It was just enough knowledge for an LVN to be competent and do the job according to the needed KSA an LVN would need. Now, just to go to LVN school, colleges have made it to where one must actually take the entire course outside of the built-in program. All this is started when somebody decided that much more money could be made by the college if they made this a mandatory requirement. Soon, all colleges followed suit. Then just to be eligible to be considered for the LVN program, one has to complete their CNA nurses aide curriculum which is three months long, where it used to be after three months of LVN school, one had learned enough to take the CNA certification so one could work while going to school if needed. It just never stops. So now it's about the same with every health care related field of study. Having a bachelor degree in pharmacy with all the internship, is no longer enough. Colleges/Universities have figured to add the PharmD program as a way to squeeze students wallet even harder, in an effort to obtain every dime one may have. Who knows what will be required in time to come. Money hungry mongrels will never stop finding ways to milk money out of people.

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