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kylefruzz in Huntsville, Alabama

51 months ago

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mpdelessio@*****.*** in Poway, California

51 months ago

L in Columbia, SC in Columbia, South Carolina said: Is anyone else finding that once you've worked in administrative and clerical positions, that's all employers see you as - no matter what your other potentials may be (i.e., project management, clinical background, event planning, seminar speaking and presentations, trainer, etc.)? A college professor told me that this happens when you don't have a degree, and that bigger and better doors will open when I obtain my degree. How do you break out of the administrative and clerical positions trap when you want higher promotions or career opportunities? I'm not knocking administrative professionals because I am one, but understand that I am trying to branch out and expand beyond typing letters and answering phones. I've actually had a former manager say "Oh, she's just a secretary" to a management candidate that inquired about my position during introductions!

Thanks,
L

Watch the movie Working Girl with Melanie Griffith first for inspiration. Keep in foucs high business ethics and strong integerity so that you don't compromise who you are while building a foundation of trust and loyalty. Then create something that you are passionate about and put it out there. Be creative and use all the highly advanced technological tools that are now available to everyone. Even if you create something in hardcopy and have it printed to dissiminate. Sell yourself and be a walking positive affirmation as if you were the presenting agency representing yourself. Then personally market to different companies. Try marketing yourself wherever you are (i.e. Starbucks, grocery lines, public transportation, etc.) Best Wishes!

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mpdelessio@*****.*** in Poway, California

51 months ago

Jonathan in Caledonia, Ontario said: It's nice to know that I am not the only person who feels trapped in the administrative assistant world. I also have an Honours BA degree. For the last 4 years, I have bounced around from one administrative assistant contract position to another at the university I currently work at. Now, my resume is very heavily administrative-based, and I feel like I have cornered myself. I thought this would be a stepping-stone for me, but it seems that employers only see me as an administrative assistant now.

I would like to let everyone here know that this problem is not exclusive to women. I did not even apply to my current job as a receptionist/administrative assistant - I applied to an Intellectual Property Administrator position in the same department. I received a call from the hiring manager that I would not be invited to an interview, and instead she offered me the receptionist position, which is covering a sick leave until the end of the year. I find the job extremely demeaning - some of my many menial tasks involve watering plants and making coffee for executives. My supervisor is by far the worst micro-manager I have come across in the 10 years I have been employed and she treats/speaks to me like I am inferior to her. I know I have to make a drastic career change because being an administrative assistant is not for me at all. Some people enjoy it and I am happy for them, but quite frankly, I find it mind-numbing to the point where I literally feel like a zombie by the end of the day. I'm beginning to feel hopeless...

On the other end of this spectrum ladies, I am college educated without a degree. After a long leave of absence to raise kids, I am attempting to re-enter as an entry-level Assistant willing to take general office/clerical work. After registering with several staffing agencies here in California, I am finding a closed door. They are only hiring college graduates with BA for these jobs

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mpdelessio@*****.*** in Poway, California

51 months ago

Wilma said: The folks at the top where I worked was only goal-oriented for their little "pets". I talked my head off trying to get them to see my potentials and what I could do for the company but they put their feet on my neck every time I tried. I took every management and supervisory class they offered. As a matter of fact, they even denied me one of the supervisory classes. I even went back to college and maintained a 3.92 GPA, but I think that made some of them scared that maybe I would take their position when I graduated. In some companies being goal-oriented works, but not in all. And it especially doesn't work when there isn't any fair treatment. Sorry, not ragging but I lost my job in January 2010, because they just didn't want me around anymore. Sometimes your great potential causes you to lose your job, especially in this economy where everyone is back-stabbing everyone else to stay afloat.

I hear what you are saying and it is resinating deeply. These are desperate times and people in places to move potential along are abusing the power they have. Plain and simple, it should be about your ability. Perhaps due to this economy, co-workers/executives are sending networking to a whole new level. Stay focused, keep trying, don't give in or give up. Warmly, and Best Wishes!

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mpdelessio@*****.*** in Poway, California

51 months ago

Melissa M in Berkeley, California said: I just realized and need to keep repeating to myself that I deserve much more than administrative work. Not that I'm displeased with my workplace or colleagues, it is actually all-in-all a great place to work. However, as an example of my continuing frustration, I just got back from a week and half long vacation, and knew that as soon as I got back to the office, hardly anyone would be asking about my vacation, and just asking for things that needed to be done. Sure enough, only two people out of a staff of 8 asked how my time was, and then they only had 2 seconds to listen. Then the requests started pouring in.

Mostly, I am very tired of being continually asked to do things. Everyone has a now deadline, and I am in a position that is hard for me to say "not now". I need to keep repeating to myself that I value my skills and knowledge, I am a worthwhile person and deserve to express my talents, and get paid for it! I am interested in a lot of things, mostly art related, and I long to work in a creative, compassionate environment. Change begins from within.

Does anyone else relate?

I can, and this is why I allowed myself to go on permenant leave of absence (in hindsite - HUGE mistake) when my first child was born. As an AA, or employee of any of the clerical fields, there is a deep sense of no or little respect or sincere appreciation for the daily tasks demanded. Sad. This needs to change. Especially when an AA can most likely do the job of the CEO or executive that she works for.

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Officeworker in Corvallis, Oregon

51 months ago

George in Narre Warren, Australia said: I bet half of you girls majored in the humanities.
What did you expect ?

George, I know a woman who has a degree in Engineering, and she works in a call center now. There's no guarantees in this horrid economy. There's nothing wrong with a humanities degree. I think part of the problem are people who seem to think only bean counters are worth hiring. Sure they can crunch numbers, but can they THINK? Can they appreciate anything but spreadsheets? There's more to college than getting a job or being affluent or a yuppie.

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Beth in Claremore, Oklahoma

47 months ago

L in Columbia, SC in Columbia, South Carolina said: A college professor told me that this happens when you don't have a degree, and that bigger and better doors will open when I obtain my degree.
L

Well that is a line of poop! I earned my degree while working as a staff assist/receptionist - not only did my company NOT give me a raise - I took a lateral move - my title is higher - though I make the same amount of money, AND, AND! The person they replaced me with, the one that just has a high school education? Yeah, that one, she makes more than me! Anyways, I found your thread because, I too would like to break out of the admin/clerical and move on to managerial. I wonder, am I too nice? too pretty? too accomodating? What is it I am missing? I have a bachelor degree - though in liberal studies, a very broad degree, and the university made me believe that I could do anything with that degree, though even the same university will not hire me for any position because the degree is not specific, and now they are saying a liberal studies degree is meant as a well-rounded education, to improve your life! I am so hacked off!

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Leyla in Toronto, Ontario

47 months ago

I am looking for an entry level job to gain some experience.as I never really had a job. now I am suffereing from verbal and emotional abuse in my marriage. I have a 25 months old daughter and am pregnant. I want to escape from all of this, get a decent job and take care of my children and ensure a stability for their future. I do not know how to start or where to. I recently finished a course in bank teller and started to send out resumes..but all i get is..we are looking for someone with experience. any advice?! Thank you

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Zuly in Miami, Florida

34 months ago

I'm on the same boat!! Been an Administrative Assistant at a law firm for over 5 years and just can't seem to find any other job. I have my BBA in Management and International Business and now am working on my Master of Science in Human Resource Management. I am in soo much debt and will be in even more when I graduate, it's ridiculous. Yet, I am not able to find a job anywhere else in any other field. I'm going crazy!!!!

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AJAJ in South Lyon, Michigan

32 months ago

George in Narre Warren, Australia said: I bet half of you girls majored in the humanities.
What did you expect ?

Oh George, I dont think you are seeing the point of this forum... Many administrative assists are very specialized students who had the hopes of someday taking the experience of their admin skills and utilizing them to the fullest in their earned new role in executive administration; however, that is never the case. Many admins are stuck in the role of admin for life within the organization and they find it very discouraging that all of the work that they do and accomplish for others is not being seen as their work. Its a frustrating world in being and admin - you will leave for the day and receive your pay every other friday and have to be very creative with how you feed your family and pay down that student loan etc. etc. You could claw your way to the top but like an admin of 26 years told me "Once and admin, always and admin"

If you like to remain idle in your work without promotion and love to be barked at by someone daily. Then I think that being an administrative assistant is the right job for you.

PS: I have a masters degree in health care administration with a double minor in human resources and project management. Still waiting for that promotion...........

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Nina in Lowell, Massachusetts

29 months ago

I have 5 1/2 years working as an Admin II and I have an Associate in Business and Help Desk Analyst Certified, currently working on my BS in Operations Management. Skilled in assessment tools, including Access 2013 and Office social media skills. Currently minoring in World Languages (learning Khmer)and in the future Arabic. Does anyone know SPECIFIC job titles that I can go into? But definitely not sales.I am really having a though time looking for positions.

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unkown in Illinois

28 months ago

Melissa M in Berkeley, California said: I just realized and need to keep repeating to myself that I deserve much more than administrative work. Not that I'm displeased with my workplace or colleagues, it is actually all-in-all a great place to work. However, as an example of my continuing frustration, I just got back from a week and half long vacation, and knew that as soon as I got back to the office, hardly anyone would be asking about my vacation, and just asking for things that needed to be done. Sure enough, only two people out of a staff of 8 asked how my time was, and then they only had 2 seconds to listen. Then the requests started pouring in.

Mostly, I am very tired of being continually asked to do things. Everyone has a now deadline, and I am in a position that is hard for me to say "not now". I need to keep repeating to myself that I value my skills and knowledge, I am a worthwhile person and deserve to express my talents, and get paid for it! I am interested in a lot of things, mostly art related, and I long to work in a creative , compassionate environment. Change begins from within.

Does anyone else relate?

I agree i felt the same way at one point in my life

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Better Luck in Albany, New York

27 months ago

anon in Phoenix, Arizona said: I agree with L. However, I have a college degree. I even went through a very good hiring agency, and yet this is the only position I will ever be considered for. I accomplished so much in college, and now I feel like I've entirely wasted $50,000. I can't quit becuase I need to pay my student loans back. I can't go to grad school becuase I can't afford to take out any more student loans. If you are a woman, you'll have to start out as an admin . I f-ing hate it. I don't like helping people with things they could do themselves just to maintain their "image". I am smarter than most of them. They complain that young people move up too quickly, but I've got news for them...I just spent 50K on my education , so YES I do deserve to rank higher than YOU. I have better communication , presentation and analytical skills becuase I've been made to use these for four years straight. I can't subsist on 28K with a 3% per year. They have a management training program, which they won't let me into, but if your dad works here, you get to go. I absolutely cannot stand admin work. It is below me; it is below any human being. I can't fathom how anyone would ever want to do a job like this. I read forums where people are asking advice on how to get an admin asst job. Are you kidding?!?! Why would anyone seriously have that goal? It's insulting and sexist and mind-numbing. I wish I could espcape, but I can't get hired into anything else with a list of admin jobs on my f-ing resume!!!!

Start your own business.

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Better Luck in Albany, New York

27 months ago

George in Narre Warren, Australia said: I bet half of you girls majored in the humanities.
What did you expect ?

Well, few young people in the sciences are getting job immediately either.

Plus, the pendulumn swings both ways. Eventually, the flood of health and science grads will jam the job market. For instance, too many pharmacist grads these days.

So, we don't need people in the psychologies and humanities, yet, people who are currently employed are one step away from insanity - so, gosh, why would ANYONE think the study of humanities is worthless? --- except those that don't realize that this world is horribly out of balance?

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Coreen Amerman in Long Beach, California

23 months ago

anon in Phoenix, Arizona said: I agree with L. However, I have a college degree. I even went through a very good hiring agency, and yet this is the only position I will ever be considered for. I accomplished so much in college, and now I feel like I've entirely wasted $50,000. I can't quit becuase I need to pay my student loans back. I can't go to grad school becuase I can't afford to take out any more student loans. If you are a woman, you'll have to start out as an admin . I f-ing hate it. I don't like helping people with things they could do themselves just to maintain their "image". I am smarter than most of them. They complain that young people move up too quickly, but I've got news for them...I just spent 50K on my education , so YES I do deserve to rank higher than YOU. I have better communication , presentation and analytical skills becuase I've been made to use these for four years straight. I can't subsist on 28K with a 3% per year. They have a management training program, which they won't let me into, but if your dad works here, you get to go. I absolutely cannot stand admin work. It is below me; it is below any human being. I can't fathom how anyone would ever want to do a job like this. I read forums where people are asking advice on how to get an admin asst job. Are you kidding?!?! Why would anyone seriously have that goal? It's insulting and sexist and mind-numbing. I wish I could espcape, but I can't get hired into anything else with a list of admin jobs on my f-ing resume!!!!

I know this was posted a long time ago, but what did you end up doing? Are you still working in admin? I just got laid off from an admin job and I desperately don't want to go back. This post you wrote is exactly my situation, I couldn't have written it any different. Please help! :)

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Jury 14 in Hartford, Connecticut

23 months ago

A few notes:
- Being an admin assistant should have meant something, but let's be serious -- it doesn't because it was a job typically given to housewives who wanted to be apart of the workforce in the 30's. Thus, the glory for the job was already diminished.

- Being an admin assistant should mean something, and it's up to those with these jobs to make it mean more.

- It is demeaning. I just went to interview at an office where the 'head' of the admin assistants talked about 'her girls' and how proud she was of them. Her girls?! What is this?! And all i saw were young women clacking away while the "hard working" men conducted "no-bs business" (that's what the other interviewer said, exactly, to me. The men conduct business and there's no BS). This shows how little respect being an admin assistant has.

- All of the above ='s a shame. Admin assistants deserve more! For all the crap, the BS, the brains they have, a lot of people sure don't act like it.

This might be because RECEPTION is now tied into being an administrative assistant... which I find high fault with. These are two separate jobs which are now being thrown on an admin assistant... not fair, if you ask me.

Receptionists are another thing... the one we have now isn't too bright.

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KP in Oswego, Illinois

21 months ago

I feel your pain. I was just recently "laid off" because I was no longer a "good fit". I just recently received a Master's Degree and at times I was told that I was "too high-level" or I "outgrew" my position. I was unable to find any additional jobs within the company.

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Ms. Doppelganger in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

21 months ago

Here's one for the admin assistant stigma files.

In the early 2000's I dad to drop out of college due to family issues and had to due a bunch of sh*t-head retail jobs to make ends meet... I managed to shake off the retail label by taking some office support courses at the local community college and taking temp jobs. This was back when employers understood the meaning of entry level, were willing to train and actually expected people to move up. I eventually got to an admin assistant position in an accounting department. Eventually though, I got tired of jerks looking down at me as an uppity paper pusher or well-meaning folks telling me I was to smart for these types of jobs.
In the 2010's I finally want back to college to get my BA as an older non-traditional in their 30's and took a student worker position in an archive where I learned to prep, scan and catalog archival material using Dublin Core metadata standards in ContentDM. I also took at lot of Chemistry, archaeology and history classes so that I could learn to work with, interpret and analyze material culture.

During my last semester I applied for a whole bunch of internships in various libraries, archives, and museums. After graduation I got my reposes back from the internships I applied for. All my other internship applications get turned down except for one at a local museum which also featured a museum studies component. Here's where it gets depressing and cringy... Upon starting my internship I pretty much learned straight up that I was chosen for my clerical skills and relegated to cutting and pasting files from CD's to external hard drives. Most of the other interns who were much younger and from affluent backgrounds got much more industry relevant and engaging assignments...

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Ms. Doppelganger in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

21 months ago

(continued)...On top of that during the meet and great for the students that were awarded stipends they kept going on about racial diversity and my race despite the fact that I never mentioned my race in any of the paperwork or essays. I mostly focused on overcoming my challenges as an older, non-traditional student from a lower economic background, my skills, work experience, education and my career goals. I really get the feeling that they just wanted a brown face in there, regardless of how meaningless and menial the task assigned, in order to pat themselves on the back.

So not only was I pigeon-holed into an admin role that I was trying to escape from in what should have been an opportunity to expand my skills and gain new work experience I pretty much became a casualty of diversity quota...

The only reason I stuck the internship out is because I was rewarded a very modest stipend which was better than nothing.. I was sending out job applications during the second half of my internship and if I would have been offered a job at one of the local universities I would have told them where to shove their internship and left...

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Ms. Doppelganger in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

21 months ago

Apologies for the typos... This forum could really use an edit feature....

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Robbs in Arlington, Virginia

15 months ago

I totally agree with you! You hit it on the nail. I have been an admin, activity assist, team assist, every kind of assistant you could think of. I am tired or the entitled superiors i assist. I am tired of doing things they can do themselves. It is degrading and it really affects me mentally. Admins are treated badly and are not valued. I like you thought about college but the tuition is too expensive and i already have a B.S. degree. If i knew geting 56K in debt would only get me entry level work, i would not have gone to college.

My supervisor is lazy and wings it in her role, she says young college students feel entitled and do not want to work hard. This is soooo untrue. We work hard in school, work hard in the workforce to pay of college debt with no real chance at supporting ourselves and paying our bills. It much different in this world than it used to be. Not everyone has someone they can live with, or help pay off debts.

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Robbs in Arlington, Virginia

15 months ago

I totally agree with you! You hit it on the nail. I have been an admin, activity assist, team assist, every kind of assistant you could think of for the past couple of years. I am tired of the entitled superiors i assist daily. I am tired of doing things they can do themselves. It is degrading and it really affects me mentally. Someone could easily say, quit, find another job, but it is not easy. I just deal with it, but like others it is affecting my quality of life, my self esteem and my health. Admins are treated badly and are not valued. I like many of you, have thought about returning to college but the tuition is too expensive and i already have a B.S. degree. If i knew getting 56K in debt would only get me entry level work, i would not have gone to college.

My supervisor is lazy and wings it in her role, she says young college students feel entitled and do not want to work hard. This is soooo untrue. We work hard in school, work hard in the workforce to pay of college debt with no real chance at supporting ourselves and paying our bills. It much different in this world than it used to be. Not everyone has someone they can live with, or help pay off debts.

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lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

14 months ago

I am feeling everyone's pain here. I've lived it myself for the past 20 years. Always seemed like I did not have whatever and once I got - I was still missing - and I hold now a Bachelors and Masters. Now no one would even consider me for anything but admin and that's even difficult as the more experienced you are - the more likely they are to overlook you or pay you. Recently many places have hired little "yes" people to be trained to their liking.

So while I have some admin work now I'm building my own business in the meantime. My suggestion become your own CEO and become an entrepreneur.

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Lori in Santa Clara, California

9 months ago

I feel your pain. I have a Bachelor of Science in Business Administration and I'm a Sr. Administrative Assistant. Try having your resume written by a professional so it looks less like administrative work. Also try applying for Office Manager and Project Coordinator jobs. Those could lead to other management jobs. Good luck to you (and me)!

anon in Phoenix, Arizona said: I agree with L. However, I have a college degree. I even went through a very good hiring agency, and yet this is the only position I will ever be considered for. I accomplished so much in college, and now I feel like I've entirely wasted $50,000. I can't quit becuase I need to pay my student loans back. I can't go to grad school becuase I can't afford to take out any more student loans. If you are a woman, you'll have to start out as an admin . I f-ing hate it. I don't like helping people with things they could do themselves just to maintain their "image". I am smarter than most of them. They complain that young people move up too quickly, but I've got news for them...I just spent 50K on my education , so YES I do deserve to rank higher than YOU. I have better communication , presentation and analytical skills becuase I've been made to use these for four years straight. I can't subsist on 28K with a 3% per year. They have a management training program, which they won't let me into, but if your dad works here, you get to go. I absolutely cannot stand admin work. It is below me; it is below any human being. I can't fathom how anyone would ever want to do a job like this. I read forums where people are asking advice on how to get an admin asst job. Are you kidding?!?! Why would anyone seriously have that goal? It's insulting and sexist and mind-numbing. I wish I could espcape, but I can't get hired into anything else with a list of admin jobs on my f-ing resume!!!!

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Lori in Santa Clara, California

9 months ago

mpdelessio@juno.com in Poway, California said: On the other end of this spectrum ladies, I am college educated without a degree. After a long leave of absence to raise kids, I am attempting to re-enter as an entry -level Assistant willing to take general office / clerical work. After registering with several staffing agencies here in California, I am finding a closed door. They are only hiring college graduates with BA for these jobs

Isn't it crazy that you now need a degree to be an Executive Assistant! But that's because the recruiters have 100+ resumes of people with degrees applying for this jobs. We need to stop applying for admin work and shoot higher.

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shingami in Chicago, Illinois

9 months ago

Robbs in Arlington, Virginia said: I have been an admin , activity assist, team assist, every kind of assistant you could think of. I am tired or the entitled superiors i assist. I am tired of doing things they can do themselves. It is degrading and it really affects me mentally.

I have done the same. Sadly, it has taken me much, MUCH longer than I care to admit to figure out what to do to try to get out of Admin hell. I do find it affects me mentally and emotionally as well because it makes me feel worthless and stupid and I feel I can contribute more than what I do. In my current office they have ONE main printer, none of the bosses or secretaries have printers in their offices, so it's my job to print out everything they send me and walk it in to them.

When it is a very large print job, or something large to be organized or something it's not so bad because it at least feels like a big deal, but when it's a one page email or a two page letter it gets old and I feel stupid walking down a long hallway to hand someone an email they could have printed out themselves. How cheap can you be??? This position you should not be in more than 6 months. Definitely not longer than a year. Epitome of Dead End.

I've been here almost 9 months and am planning my exit and hope that I'm not here this time next year. I just can't take another receptionist position. It makes me want to cry.

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shingami in Chicago, Illinois

9 months ago

Denise in Portland, Oregon said: The problem with admin work is that the pay and respect do not represent the work. As I look at job listings, the lists of duties and responsibilities are longer and longer and the pay remains the same - over the past 10 or so years! As soon as women take up a profession, the pay stagnates. I would like to see some of the male execs multi-task on the same level they have come to expect form their support staff. These jobs should be respected and paid accordingly instead of making us all run around trying to get the stench of " administrative assistant " out of our resumes. I'd like to see a national Admin union. Let's see companies run without admins.

This is one of the most accurate comments I've come across here. OMG, 100% correct! Admin will forever be seen as "women's work" and automatically devalued and diminished. Stapling papers is automatically clerical and an executive can't be seen doing that! It's ridiculous.

Men don't see Admin work as work, and if the majority of men are creating unions or continue to be the final say on it, forget it. They also don't know what we are really doing or realize how a lot of different skills and talents help get the job done. I am also baffled we're still at $9- $10 an hour over 20 years later.

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dianer483 in Lincoln, Massachusetts

9 months ago

I'm ready to pull my hair out. I'm unemployed at the moment. I've been an Administrative Assistant, Executive Assistant, and Office Manager...I now HATE IT. I've been working as a contractor off and on for the last two years. I liked doing that and picked up some different skills. I now need a permanent full-time position. I've worked as an A.A. for a gazillion years. My skills aren't as sharp as I like. When you work as a contractor sometimes your nothing but a glorified babysitter being paid like an executive. Like I said I did pick up some different skills, but I'm not proficient in any of them. Unfortunately, I had a few minor strokes a few years back...I'm ok, that affected my cognitive abilities, i.e., memory, organization skills (I can fake that one pretty good) and now have ADHD. To make a long story short, I went through coaching and began taking meds for this. It helped me so much that was better than I was with ADHD. That was a few years ago and since then so much has happened that I stopped working in 2009 worked a bit in 2010 then had a small stroke and went on disability. It was too much to handle plus I was going thru a divorce and lost my house (Not do to unpaid mortgage, another long story) I went back to work as a contractor in 2013. In May 2014, I found a job that I loved. In October of that year the company moved out of state. Needless, to say I was so disappointed and decided to try my hand at Insurance, and that didn't work out to well. I've been out of work now for a year. I haven't a clue to what I want to do. My life experiences are priceless. It's only by the grace of God that I have survived. Where do I go from here??? Any suggestions???? My passions are football, religion and politics the three you don't discuss...Oy

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Sara in Hummelstown, Pennsylvania

8 months ago

Try advancing your own career with TNAOAP (The National Association of Administrative Professionals). It is an online training program and membership geared towards the Admin field. Getting a certification from TNAOAOP will enhance your resume when looking for a new job.

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lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

8 months ago

Sara in Hummelstown, Pennsylvania said: Try advancing your own career with TNAOAP (The National Association of Administrative Professionals). It is an online training program and membership geared towards the Admin field. Getting a certification from TNAOAOP will enhance your resume when looking for a new job.

I found that not many people in my region cared about this and since I had gone to "secretarial" school, it didn't add much to what I already knew. It seemed to have more credibility in the Midwest. How has it enhanced your career/resume?

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lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

8 months ago

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Sounds like you are selling something and it is not helpful on this forum.

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msdoppelganger in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

8 months ago

lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: -

Sounds like you are selling something and it is not helpful on this forum.

schmuck is a spammer. Just report them.

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20/f in Worthington, Minnesota

8 months ago

Is it really that bad I was thinking of going to college and getting my associates in adminstrative assistance or medical secretary. I dont want to waste my time and effort and money if thats the case..

anon in Phoenix, Arizona said: I agree with L. However, I have a college degree. I even went through a very good hiring agency, and yet this is the only position I will ever be considered for. I accomplished so much in college, and now I feel like I've entirely wasted $50,000. I can't quit becuase I need to pay my student loans back. I can't go to grad school becuase I can't afford to take out any more student loans. If you are a woman, you'll have to start out as an admin . I f-ing hate it. I don't like helping people with things they could do themselves just to maintain their "image". I am smarter than most of them. They complain that young people move up too quickly, but I've got news for them...I just spent 50K on my education , so YES I do deserve to rank higher than YOU. I have better communication , presentation and analytical skills becuase I've been made to use these for four years straight. I can't subsist on 28K with a 3% per year. They have a management training program, which they won't let me into, but if your dad works here, you get to go. I absolutely cannot stand admin work. It is below me; it is below any human being. I can't fathom how anyone would ever want to do a job like this. I read forums where people are asking advice on how to get an admin asst job. Are you kidding?!?! Why would anyone seriously have that goal? It's insulting and sexist and mind-numbing. I wish I could espcape, but I can't get hired into anything else with a list of admin jobs on my f-ing resume!!!!

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Bad Medicine in Hyattsville, Maryland

8 months ago

I'm years late to this discussion.

I think any job is what you make of it.

If you're an assistant have you tried approaching executives and others in the business and asking them what else you can do for them, have you tried to take tasks from them and help them in any way that you can ? There is always more work that needs to be done, and it's not a crime to seek it out and start doing it. Making yourself indispensable isn't just good for your career its also good for the people who grow to depend on you.

Another thought is this, if you're working for a business as an administrative assistant I think its important to remember that you're part of the business's overhead, which means you're not making them any money, really. Yes, they need you, yes, someone has to do the work, but there's always going to be a certain amount of pressure to keep costs down and try to get more for less. If you don't like that, try to figure out how to get involved in making the company money, and the way to do that is to start doing work for the business's customers in some way. Become an indispensable part of the mechanism that makes money for the company and you've got it made.

Final thought, I think administrative assistants also suffer from their position in the same way that bank tellers and many other administrative people suffer. What I mean is that bank tellers, for example, deal with huge amounts of money all day long, they are inches away from everything that would make their lives easier, and yet world's away at the same time. The same is true of administrative assistants, at once they are right in the middle of the most powerful people in the company, usually dressed for success, far removed from the dirt and grime of producing the products and services that the business sells. Yet, at the same time, even though assistants are only a few steps away from the most powerful people in their companies it might as well be on the other side of the world.

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CindyS76 in Chicago, Illinois

8 months ago

lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: I found that not many people in my region cared about this and since I had gone to "secretarial" school, it didn't add much to what I already knew. It seemed to have more credibility in the Midwest. How has it enhanced your career/resume?

I'm not so sure about this. I feel that these professional certification like tnaoap are really helpful to have on your resume. I recently moved to Chicago, but before that lived on the east coast. The certifications are great to list on your resume, but also perfect to talk about during an interview, shows initiative and drive. I know I was able to secure a pretty good job here pretty quick, not sure how much was based on my certification, but I know it didn't hurt.

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lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

8 months ago

Well sure a cert may help if you are looking for another admin job. But most people here are not looking for another admin job. Truth is finding an admin job is not that hard - who needs a credential, I've got 30 years experience. It's harder to find one that people treat you with respect. But I'm looking to get out of admin work - I've got tons of exp and a Bachelor and master's degree and industry professional development, but I'm still an admin. Have I tried for other jobs - yep! Have I been willing to learn new things? yep! Have I stepped up and done more than what an admin does - have I ran the place without a designated leader - yep! Have I saved and brought in $'s for my employer, yep! But here i am still an admin.

so my point really is - figure out what you really want and if you have to do admin work - let it pay for what you really want to do. Don't go to school because someone says you should - go because it means you doing what you really want to do. Get your finances in order, find a place that will pay for your education if you believe you need it - carve out your own career. Sometimes it may be better to rely on yourself and not an employer to make your life for you. Rise of the entrepreneur.

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Sick Of It All in backwoods, California

8 months ago

In my experience, getting out of administration depends on getting a lead from someone else.

My current job is not admin, thank God, and it was brought to my attention by a friend who was throwing out random suggestions of where to apply. I got the job on my own merits of course but I wouldn't have even known about it had my friend not been looking out for me.

My mother is currently putting in word for me at her company for a position that recently became available - also not admin but more of a mechanical/skilled trade (ie. a chance to learn/do something new!). But again, it required someone else bringing this opening to my attention and recommending me for it. Seems to be the only way out of the administrative trap.

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CindyS76 in Chicago, Illinois

8 months ago

lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: Well sure a cert may help if you are looking for another admin job. But most people here are not looking for another admin job. Truth is finding an admin job is not that hard - who needs a credential, I've got 30 years experience. It's harder to find one that people treat you with respect. But I'm looking to get out of admin work - I've got tons of exp and a Bachelor and master's degree and industry professional development, but I'm still an admin. Have I tried for other jobs - yep! Have I been willing to learn new things? yep! Have I stepped up and done more than what an admin does - have I ran the place without a designated leader - yep! Have I saved and brought in $'s for my employer, yep! But here i am still an admin.

so my point really is - figure out what you really want and if you have to do admin work - let it pay for what you really want to do. Don't go to school because someone says you should - go because it means you doing what you really want to do. Get your finances in order, find a place that will pay for your education if you believe you need it - carve out your own career. Sometimes it may be better to rely on yourself and not an employer to make your life for you. Rise of the entrepreneur.

All very good points. However some of us here do like admin jobs, so much of it has to do with the organization that you are with and especially who your direct manager is. It's not most people's dream job, but it can be rewarding and as you said there is always openings so its a steady career. Most people I know who are in admin still keep their eyes open for other opportunities, higher pay or moving up a level are always great.

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uberlurker1 in Everywhere

7 months ago

Sara in Hummelstown, Pennsylvania said: Try advancing your own career with TNAOAP (The National Association of Administrative Professionals). It is an online training program and membership geared towards the Admin field. Getting a certification from TNAOAOP will enhance your resume when looking for a new job.

**TNAOAP (and tnaoap.org / tnaoap.com) is a scam.** They are not a legitimate credentialing organization, and all of the comments from "members" throughout the internet are planted by the company, and they don't go back any further than three months ago. Neither does their website, Facebook page, or Twitter page. For a company that claims to have been around since 1993, 2015 is pretty late to be gaining a web presence. When you eliminate hits from their own website, there are only about 1000 hits from google, and many of them are web analytics pages.

There are also (at least) three reddit users I've found so far that are very obviously posting the same sort of comments within reddit, and not-so-coincidentally, all three user accounts are less than a month old and the names are similar to the user names for the internet commenters that discuss this organization.

TNAOAP is not a US registered business or nonprofit despite being located in Pennsylvania. Please do not pay money to this BS "organization." I have personally seen their materials and taken their tests, and it is consistent with the shadiness I've discussed above.

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uberlurker1 in Everywhere

7 months ago

lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: I found that not many people in my region cared about this and since I had gone to "secretarial" school, it didn't add much to what I already knew. It seemed to have more credibility in the Midwest. How has it enhanced your career/resume?

**TNAOAP (and tnaoap.org / tnaoap.com) is a scam.** They are not a legitimate credentialing organization, and all of the comments from "members" throughout the internet are planted by the company, and they don't go back any further than three months ago. Neither does their website, Facebook page, or Twitter page. For a company that claims to have been around since 1993, 2015 is pretty late to be gaining a web presence. When you eliminate hits from their own website, there are only about 1000 hits from google, and many of them are web analytics pages.

There are also (at least) three reddit users I've found so far that are very obviously posting the same sort of comments within reddit, and not-so-coincidentally, all three user accounts are less than a month old and the names are similar to the user names for the internet commenters that discuss this organization.

TNAOAP is not a US registered business or nonprofit despite being located in Pennsylvania. Please do not pay money to this BS "organization." I have personally seen their materials and taken their tests, and it is consistent with the shadiness I've discussed above.

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lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

7 months ago

Thanks uberlurker1 for bringing this to our attention.

In my previous post, I think I was mixing this up with IAAP which was Nat'l Secretaries Assoc in an earlier generation. Regardless, no one I ever worked for gave any cert any credibility.

Furthermore, some people are inserting themselves into the wrong conversation. The title of the thread is tired of admin asst jobs and many here are looking to get out of admin work. If you are happy with it, live long and prosper, but many of us believe we can do something else, but feel our admin experience holds us back from the opportunity.

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Totally JADED in Conyers, Georgia

7 months ago

Silly silly me.........I took said yes, to what in the beginning was a great job, though way too cheap$$$. But, you know how it is when we're dying to leave our current positions.

Anyhow, as for many of us, the job has tripled in work-load, for multiple "additional" people, and everyone expects everything to be completed YESTERDAY, with 0 ERRORS, and of course if anything goes, wrong, its always the ADMINS fault. If it's done right, the admins not smart enough to be heard - or receive credit.

My days in this career are coming to an end. Asking way too much for way too little. I'm starting up my own business & I'm gonna do just fine. To all the other frustrated Admins - Don't put up with undue criticism, and remember your self worth.

If you weren't so fantastic, they never would've hired you in the first place ;-)

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Linda in Hanover Park, Illinois

5 months ago

I am in a similar situation and are interested in moving up. I have so many talents and am not able to use them. I have had similar experience where I did everything for the director, basically acted as his assistant director and when asked by a colleague who I was, was told I was the secretary with event planning experience. What a slap in the face. I have had directors who have wanted to promote me for the president to tell them no. They make up titles for themselves all the time. Really, can't we get something that reflects the job we actually perform. I have been looked over many times, I am currently looking for a job again and trying to break out of this mold. This thread is kind of old. Does anyone have any updated advice? Anything would be appreciated.

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shingami in Chicago, Illinois

3 months ago

This thread is old but I'm glad to see comments as recent as 2 months ago. It's great that we are still here discussing and encouraging each other. Admin work is the Devils Trap. I've done admin work but have never been an Executive assistant or a secretary. I don't believe I have secretarial skills, I know I wouldn't be good in that role. So for me, this is such a trap because every job I've had the only place to go after admin assistant is secretary.

@Linda, when you said you acted as the director and you do have event planning experience, what you need to do (and I'm sure you have heard this before) is play up those skills. This advice is not new, but I think it's the first step in trying to transition out of admin. Whatever skills or things you did as a director you need to put them on your resume and list yourself as the assistant director and play down the admin role. Try to get away with it as much as possible, if you can list someone else as a reference that won't blow your cover, even better. As soon as jobs see admin or secretary on your resume that's all they know.

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shingami in Chicago, Illinois

3 months ago

I'm currently back in a law firm and I wanted to get out of law firms for the past 8 years. I'm an assistant/receptionist (HATE it) and am asked to do the most menial mind numbing tasks. If you can believe it, there are 2 printers in the office and everyone emails me things they want printed and I print and take it to them. I was asked today to come into the boss' office and remind him every 30 minutes to move around because he recently had surgery. Am I a nurse now too? You don't know how to move around if you feel stiff?

I'm not quite sure how serious he is about that, but I still find it ridiculous and I sit here and think I know I can do something better with my life and skills than this.

I've seen many people try to push their way into learning everything in the office and it usually backfires on them, so be careful with pushing your way into trying to take on new roles. The people I've seen don't do it with finesse. School is only when you have a clear decision on what you want.

The problem is experience. Admin Assistants may assist the director, manage and plan the event, etc. but that is not specifically their role, so you have all the skills but none of the actual "official" experience and that's all anyone wants. Such a trap.

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shingami in Chicago, Illinois

3 months ago

Jury 14 in Hartford, Connecticut said:

This might be because RECEPTION is now tied into being an administrative assistant ... which I find high fault with. These are two separate jobs which are now being thrown on an admin assistant... not fair, if you ask me.

Receptionists are another thing... the one we have now isn't too bright.

While I don't think all receptionist are dumb, I totally agree with the fault of admin assistant and receptionist being tied together. They are two separate jobs. For a while at my old job I stopped saying I was the receptionist because I did so much admin work.

I think this is also tied into pay, where they want to hire under the title "receptionist" which people assume answers the phone and greet guests, yet when you get hired you realize the 100 other tasks they expect. But the pay is 25k because you're "just the receptionist" except you're really not.

Top notch skills and decades of experience are expected to come answer the phone and staple papers, so yes, these positions need to be one or the other. But they don't want to pay two people.

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shingami in Chicago, Illinois

3 months ago

atladmin in Atlanta, Georgia said: It is not so much the job that gets to me, but the people....I cringe at the little things I am asked to do, just because...Like someone walking by the copier or fax with documents, to come to me and ask me to do it. Or being told by a new asst director in our first one on one meeting, that maybe someday I would be the assistant to the president of the company....(as if that were my highest goal)..How did he not know I may have been striving to be President someday....and the same director on a later occasion, told me to "Stay in my paygrade"...???? That one took me over the top...those snide remarks are what make it harder for individuals in support roles to move forward with a positive attitude...it only reminds you of what they really think of you....I know that I have much more to offer and my full worth is not being utilized...but I am working on a strategy that I know will beneficial in the long run...To all of you keep your head up, your hard work will pay off one day...

Despite this post being over 2 years old, I have been re-reading old posts and this one had me nodding at this point. I don't understand those snide remarks at all. Is that what these people "in power" strive for? A chance to be jerks at the first possible opportunity? I remember at an old job responding back and forth to one of the clients, helping her, and she replied back putting my name on some email or something. One of the attorneys had to come to my desk to say the client thought I was a lawyer. She was just about rolling on the floor laughing. First, I don't want to be a lawyer, but what if I did? Law school is not that high up the charts that no one can go. The idea that some of these bosses think they are Gods need to stop.

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lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3 months ago

anon in Phoenix. sorry that you are in the Admin trap that many of us have found ourselves in. And it is so discouraging when you realize that you could have just saved your money - because your degree means nothing when they put it next to your job experience. My best advice after almost 30 years of this with a Bachelors and a Masters, become an entrepreneur. Work your own business in your spare time and prove you do have the skills.

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lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3 months ago

Dudewheresmycountry in Mentor, Ohio said: Oh, is that right are YOU better? How do you know the communication, analytical, or presentation skills others in the field have? Another F'in know it all, no wonder all wages go down, because employers get pissed when, whiny demanding aholes like you come right out of college expecting the world.

I'm sorry you are such a miserable person. You need to find something else to make you happy in life other than insulting other people.

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lcschol66 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3 months ago

mpdelessio@*****.*** in Poway, California said: Watch the movie Working Girl with Melanie Griffith first for inspiration. Keep in foucs high business ethics and strong integerity so that you don't compromise who you are while building a foundation of trust and loyalty. Then create something that you are passionate about and put it out there. Be creative and use all the highly advanced technological tools that are now available to everyone. Even if you create something in hardcopy and have it printed to dissiminate. Sell yourself and be a walking positive affirmation as if you were the presenting agency representing yourself. Then personally market to different companies. Try marketing yourself wherever you are (i.e. Starbucks, grocery lines, public transportation, etc.) Best Wishes!

I agree the movie Working Girl is inspiring, but I also find that the environment has greatly changed since then. But I like your attitude, I believe there is some real good advice here.

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