AUTOMOTIVE TECHNICAINS DONT GET PAID WELL !

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I use Iwata in Anaheim, California

28 months ago

shywolf88 in Memphis, Tennessee said: Since auto tech is apparently horrible, what about collision repair? I'm still in school for auto tech should i get out now? or see what happens with the career in the future.

I don't know much about auto tech, but collision is really good if you can get pass the first couple of years and work your way up. Is a tough business to move up, but if you got the skills and the drive whether is body repair, paint tech or ever an estimator you can easily make a descent living. Check out my reply to someone commenting to your post. Big corp. body's hops is where the money is. Forget restoration no money to be made there unless you got lots of money to start with, you are the owner and have people to do the work for cheap for you and you sell high, in my opinion waste of time and money, tried it for a minute and move on. Also don't go and join Itt. Or any technical school I went to the local community college just cost me the price of the units instead of 40,50k that's what this tech school are asking for, it's obscene. At the end of the day is how much you apply your self that's going to determine how far you get on this industry. Just my 2cents. Will.

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james in San Antonio, Texas

28 months ago

These posts are interesting, after 8 years in this buisiness I do agree that the flat rate times have gotten worse and the hourly rate does not reflect the work we do. I breifly 1 1/2 yrs worked for KIA before returning to Toyota, they had recalls to replace transaxle side gears for 4.3! The op for trans r/r was like 3.8.KIA's labor times were so far from realistic, not to mention almost all there work was warranty. I agree that there are lots of half as$ techs and Piss poor managers out there that give us a bad name and have caused employers to cut wages. My advise to the newbes is to get good or get out. If you are good, and I mean hardworking, honest, can properly diagnose and repair, there is good money to be made. Also employers will take care of you better. Those that do not display those qualitys will play shop politics, float from shop to shop, and complain constantly. All that said, employers in any buisiness will take advantage of good work ethics, so don't let them drive you to the point of anger or exhaustion. Prove your worth and make them compensate you accordingly. If your worthless, quit bitching and get out so the rest of us can make more and keep our customers happier.

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Dieselmissfire in Mayfield, Kentucky

28 months ago

I figured I would update on my status I am now 6 weeks removed from turning wrenches and am throwing chickens in a crate. Everyone said my back would hurt, my legs would hurt and my hands would swell. They were right on the legs, but due to ten years in the automotive industry my hands and back don't even feel it I actually feel better. Get out while you can I worked on my friend's car today for pizza and beer it was better than any day I'd spent at work in a long time. I may open up a shop again one day but making 44,000 a year doing the chicken thing isn't too bad either. Find a factory job and screw the service writer they can learn how to fix things on their own when all the mechanics leave.

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Older-Mechanic in Atlanta, Georgia

27 months ago

IF you were an older mechanic and saw an opportunity in the auto industry that has not been seen for a very long time, and this opportunity was a true 'game changer' for the industry. Would you seriously consider exploiting this for yourself only? Would you take on partners even though you would not need them? Would you allow investors in immediately? Would you take investors later on? How would you go about recruiting the absolute best the industry has? What would you do?

Please share your thoughts!

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Will Workforless in Sonoma, California

27 months ago

Wow, that is pretty good $21,432 - $58,610 after you pay $20,000 for school, $50,000 for tools, ASE training and testing and new model training and testing every year. The only training and information you you need to learn is Engine mechanical, electrical and electronics, Transmission mechanical, hydraulics electrical and electronics ABS mechanical, hydraulics electrical and electronics, Body control systems electrical and electronics, SIR electrical and electronics, HVAC system, electrical and electronics, Steering mechanical, hydraulics, electrical and electronics, Drive train – Transfer case mechanical, electrical and electronics, front and rear differential mechanical, electrical and electronics, Entertainment systems, electrical and electronics, Computer communications electrical and electronics, Module programming, Cell phone electrical and electronics and any new technology systems that come out next year.

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Retired in Chagrin Falls, Ohio

26 months ago

Flatratesucks in Appleton, Wisconsin said: I'm a service consultant / advisor now. Every now and then I work in the shop but 90% of the time I'm up front. I'm actually making more money now. I work for a medium sized independent shop. It's satisfying and rewarding. I don't have to buy any more tools or strain my body in any way. Good luck on whatever career path you choose but don't you can't say you haven't been warned.

I agree 100%, If you're STILL a mechanic at a dealer now then you're probably not going anywhere in life. I've repeatedly heard the "I have kids" excuse, the "I have bills" excuse, and the perpetual "I can't find anything else" excuse and it's always coming from people who never try to do anything about their situation. Procrastination and fear keep the sheep in the pen, not the fence.
Dealers are the most corrupt and greedy of the repair industry, they are there to make money for themselves FIRST and the more the better. This will always take a toll on the mechanic just by it's nature and new, creative ways to exploit you are always being tried.
As most of you know we ARE in a depression and things have NOT turned around yet but you don't have to resign yourself to being miserable in a job you hate because you think that's what you have to do to get by. Open your mind, think about it, and don't be afraid to try something different. A lot of times you can do this while still hanging on to your "lame" job. Just be smart enough not to tell ANYONE your plans....dealers love to have failure examples to point at, even fictional ones.

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Older-Mechanic in Atlanta, Georgia

26 months ago

Thought some might like reading this article at Vehicle Service Pros. The mechanic that serviced this vehicle, his career is most likely over.

Toyota dealer to pay $15.7 million in damages to accident victims for poor maintenance

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CSI420 in Fenton, Michigan

26 months ago

Retired in Chagrin Falls, Ohio said: I agree 100%, If you're STILL a mechanic at a dealer now then you're probably not going anywhere in life. I've repeatedly heard the "I have kids" excuse, the "I have bills" excuse, and the perpetual "I can't find anything else" excuse and it's always coming from people who never try to do anything about their situation. Procrastination and fear keep the sheep in the pen, not the fence.
Dealers are the most corrupt and greedy of the repair industry, they are there to make money for themselves FIRST and the more the better. This will always take a toll on the mechanic just by it's nature and new, creative ways to exploit you are always being tried.
As most of you know we ARE in a depression and things have NOT turned around yet but you don't have to resign yourself to being miserable in a job you hate because you think that's what you have to do to get by. Open your mind, think about it, and don't be afraid to try something different. A lot of times you can do this while still hanging on to your "lame" job. Just be smart enough not to tell ANYONE your plans....dealers love to have failure examples to point at, even fictional ones.

The dealer has its advantages if your new to the buisnesss (5 years or less). You get their training(I was at one that actually paid for training,even online), their name and backing in case you misdiagnose(under warranty it didnt really matter). The down side is they dont want to pay 25 per hour flaT rate. I made master ASE and they had to pay it, but after seeing .8 to do a timming belt on a cruze, I knew it was time to leave. Heck, got .7 to do a light bulb on a Traverse(removing the fascia)!
I just realized the labor times are not accurate, and at a aftermarket you can dictate those times based on rust, age, filthyness. If a job is a loser, dump it! Your there to make money, not lose money.

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Brenton in Welland, Ontario

26 months ago

don fosey in Baton Rouge, Louisiana said: Where do you go after this many years of being a technician, what other jobs are out there without going back to school?

I don't know man but this job working as a flat rate tech is not worth waking up and dreading the day ahead, I'm going back to school and running from this joke of a trade a fast as possible.

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Brenton in Welland, Ontario

26 months ago

Whipsaw in Seattle, Washington said: I work as a service manager at an independent shop, and we pay our techs well. If they are motivated, they can make $80k per year working 40 hours per week. Unfortunately, I have to say that mechanics/technicians as a whole are some of the biggest whining crybabies I have ever encountered in my life. There are some decent ones out there, but by golly are they hard to find. We are constantly looking for good guys, and they are nowhere to be found. I spend all day long massaging fragile egos and lending a shoulder to these grown men to cry on. It's absolutely pathetic.

You have no idea you stupid dick, have you ever quoted a 6 hour job and the uneducated idiot (service advisor/ service manager) says to the customer oh we can do it in 2 hours. Who has to work like a slave? Well it sure as hell isn't you, sitting in your comfy chair in air conditioning on your high horse. It's jackasses like you on the other side of the fence who screw hard working honest techs like me. You should shut that whole in your face until you are forced to work for free. Typical service manager, what a stupid prick you are, you do nothing for this industry it's the tech who should get you pay checks you dick! People who have no idea what they are talking about should shut the "f" up.

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Brenton in Welland, Ontario

26 months ago

John Demper in Guilford, Connecticut said: AUTOMOTIVE TECHS DONT GET PAID WELL ! THEY HAVE BUY 50,000.00 IN TOOLS AND WORK ON HOT ENGINES,GET CUT ,BURNT AND PAID CRAP. THE STARTING PAY IS ABOUT 8.00- 10.00 A HOUR AFTER YOU HAVE A YEAR OF SCHOOL UNDER YOUR BELT. AFTER FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS YOU MAY BE MAKING 17.50 - 19.50 PER FLAT RATE HOUR.IF A BRAKE JOB PAYS TWO HOURS AND YOU DO IT 1 HOUR YOU HAVE DONE WELL.BUT LETS SAY YOU WORK FOR A DEALERSHIP AND HAVE A ENGINE JOB THAT PAYS 8 HOURS UNDER WARRANTY BUT IT TAKE YOU 12 HOURS -YOU JUST WORKED 4 HOURS FOR FREE.ITS FORCES THE TECH TO TAKE SHORT CUTS THAT MAY BE UNSAFE.THINKING ABOUT BEING A AUTOMOTIVE TECH, THINK AGAIN. TRY A PLUMBER AFTER TWO YEARS IN THE FIELD YOU MAKE 30.00 PLUS A HOUR AND ALL YOU NEED IS BUCKET OF TOOLS FOR COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS.!!!!!!!!!!!

By far the worst job in the world is being an automotive tech.

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dieselmissfire in Mayfield, Kentucky

26 months ago

Ok I have figured out the solution to all of your woes. I decided with all of the connections I made throwing chickens I would start my own traveling mechanic repair business. I wouldn't suggest this unless you have a lot of experience and tools. I bought a snap on brick for a 100 bucks cause I won't be doing too many new cars and if I can't figure it out there is always an easy job behind it I can do. I have done a few head gasket jobs rebuilt a couple of rear diffs lots of 3.4 intakes and there are just more jobs coming. Hell I'm booked for the next week and a half and there are at least 2-4 messages a night. I made some business cards and the word of mouth is running rampant. I charge 25/hr if they bring it to me and 30/hr to go to them. If you got what it takes do your own thing and screw the shops they'll come around.

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Whipsaw in Seattle, Washington

26 months ago

Brenton in Welland, Ontario said: You have no idea you stupid dick, have you ever quoted a 6 hour job and the uneducated idiot (service advisor/ service manager) says to the customer oh we can do it in 2 hours. Who has to work like a slave? Well it sure as hell isn't you, sitting in your comfy chair in air conditioning on your high horse. It's jackasses like you on the other side of the fence who screw hard working honest techs like me. You should shut that whole in your face until you are forced to work for free. Typical service manager, what a stupid prick you are, you do nothing for this industry it's the tech who should get you pay checks you dick! People who have no idea what they are talking about should shut the "f" up.

This is precisely the kind of angry, ignorant jackwagon I steer clear from when hiring. I can see you right now, wanting 6 hours to do a water pump on a Chevy so you can nurse your bottle flu and still make hours. Lazy idiot.

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CSI420 in Fenton, Michigan

26 months ago

Whipsaw in Seattle, Washington said: This is precisely the kind of angry, ignorant jackwagon I steer clear from when hiring. I can see you right now, wanting 6 hours to do a water pump on a Chevy so you can nurse your bottle flu and still make hours. Lazy idiot.

Doing a water pump on a Chevy is 2 hour job. Unless the vehicle is especially old and dirty or rusty. Then you must add time to compensate technicians for the extra problems that will occur when doing that job. The problem with flat rate is that your asking technicians to take a amount of pay time based on a IDEAL situation.In the real world, there is no Ideal situation. The vehicles are dirty, old, rusty. Things break when they are taken apart after 10 years.If I could tell the future and know what was going to come apart easy and what isn't, I wouldn't be a technician, I would have won the lottery. So im sure you spend your day "Not" nursing egos, but arguing over pay time to technicians who want to be compensated for not knowing the future.

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Brian in Colorado Springs, Colorado

26 months ago

Brenton in Welland, Ontario said: You have no idea you stupid dick, have you ever quoted a 6 hour job and the uneducated idiot (service advisor/ service manager) says to the customer oh we can do it in 2 hours. Who has to work like a slave? Well it sure as hell isn't you, sitting in your comfy chair in air conditioning on your high horse. It's jackasses like you on the other side of the fence who screw hard working honest techs like me. You should shut that whole in your face until you are forced to work for free. Typical service manager, what a stupid prick you are, you do nothing for this industry it's the tech who should get you pay checks you dick! People who have no idea what they are talking about should shut the "f" up.

Hello to all my fellow Mechanics/Tech's. I am an ASE master with L1, and 20+ years experience in Independant shops and City fleet repair and maintance. 3 months ago I quit the automotive field to try something new. The organization I worked for planned on outsourcing their fleet repairs and maintance to the lowest bid with one of the big international fleet maintance companies and I didn't want to provide my skills to the new company so I started looking at other options. I looked into going back into the independent shop auto repair. I know a few people in my city that own shops. When talking to these shop owners all the memories of why I wanted out of the flatrate world came rushing back. I made good money when I was on flat rate, however I was not happy. Dealing with service writers and customers really ruined my love of automotive repair. Anyway, l want to finish my story. I took a $10 per hour pay cut and got a job as a powerplant mechanic apprentice. Best move I ever made. My first day on the job I was givin the keys to my toolbox stuffed with tools. I now have the $50k tool investment I made over the years collecting dust in my garage at home. When my apprenticeship is complete I will be making $80-$100k per year.

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Brian in Colorado Springs, Colorado

26 months ago

Brian in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: Hello to all my fellow Mechanics/Tech's. I am an ASE master with L1, and 20+ years experience in Independant shops and City fleet repair and maintance. 3 months ago I quit the automotive field to try something new. The organization I worked for planned on outsourcing their fleet repairs and maintance to the lowest bid with one of the big international fleet maintance companies and I didn't want to provide my skills to the new company so I started looking at other options. I looked into going back into the independent shop auto repair. I know a few people in my city that own shops. When talking to these shop owners all the memories of why I wanted out of the flatrate world came rushing back. I made good money when I was on flat rate, however I was not happy. Dealing with service writers and customers really ruined my love of automotive repair. Anyway, l want to finish my story. I took a $10 per hour pay cut and got a job as a powerplant mechanic apprentice. Best move I ever made. My first day on the job I was givin the keys to my toolbox stuffed with tools. I now have the $50k tool investment I made over the years collecting dust in my garage at home. When my apprenticeship is complete I will be making $80-$100k per year. All my training and tools will be paid for. Great benefits. Paid overtime! I am starting to truly enjoy repairing things again. No service writers or customers to deal with. So for you auto and truck mechanics out there who are unhappy. Look into powerplant mechanic jobs in your area. I love my new job.

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Brian in Colorado Springs, Colorado

26 months ago

Continued from the last comment; bottom line, if you are smart enough to be in auto repair then you can certainly be a millwrite, or powerplant mechanic, and have more fun, and make more $. No more buying your own tools. In my opinion auto repair is a great hobby. If great mechanics/technicians keep leaving the field for better opportunities, then maybe the ones that stick around will start being valued and treated better with more $$$$. Best wishes folks!

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ThatsShowBiz in San Francisco, California

25 months ago

Whipsaw in Seattle, Washington said: I work as a service manager at an independent shop, and we pay our techs well. If they are motivated, they can make $80k per year working 40 hours per week. Unfortunately, I have to say that mechanics/technicians as a whole are some of the biggest whining crybabies I have ever encountered in my life. There are some decent ones out there, but by golly are they hard to find. We are constantly looking for good guys, and they are nowhere to be found. I spend all day long massaging fragile egos and lending a shoulder to these grown men to cry on. It's absolutely pathetic.

This guy has solid points but seems like a service manager I wouldn't work for. You can make ALOT of money at a dealership for not having a college education, but a service manager that treats you like an indentured servant isn't going to motivate for you.

By the way this thread is appalling, I think it's a bunch of guys at either really bad dealerships or can't work flat rate.

About me: I never went to a tech school. I just grew up around cars working on them ever since I can remember. I have a Master ASE status (A1-A8) and L1. I also have a CA smog license. I have been in the dealewrship industry since I was an adult (I am 28 now) and worked independents and tire shops during my high school years.

As far as dealerships go, first I worked at Lexus dealership. I was making $30/hr. This was at the height of unintended acceleration and what-not recalls. Sorry but even though alot of warranty work shafts you, and CP is always better, there are still a ton of warranty jobs you are going to break even on or make cash. I made good money there. But the demise came because of a compound reason. I LOVE FLAT RATE. But it's main downside is, if your dealership overstaffs or there is no business, you make $0. And Lexus went from being a very lucrative job to no business. It was also a union shop, and union rules mandated they lay off by seniority.

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ThatsShowBiz in San Francisco, California

25 months ago

So I maintain a 125%-150% efficiency level pretty much every pay period. I have next to no come backs. But the guy next to me was at 90% efficiency with a comeback every week. He got to keep his job because I was hired after him. That was brutal and made me pretty angst against union shops. I also found at that dealership, tech's deliberately tried to get other techs fired constantly to work themselves up seniority wise.

Then I went and worked at an Audi dealership. I was making $30/hr once again. This shop was soooooo busy. Unlimited overtime was authorized all the time. You can work all night if you wanted to. Making good flat rate was a bit more difficult considering it was in an inner city and it was 1 rack per tech. But despite all the advantages we had the meanest cruelest slave driving service manager I have ever met in all my years working on cars. He drove everyone into the ground. Techs even went as far as reporting him to OSHA and getting the dealership heavily fined. There was constant secret meetings about unionizing (I hate unions) and combine that with a service manager who verbally abused his techs and acted as if he could replace anyone, I was miserable. My efficiency dropped down to an even 100% even though I knew I was easily capable of making 60-70hrs a week while working 40-50hrs a week.

Well unintentionally, a good friend of mine at a VERY high end luxury car dealership came and found me. They hired me at $27/hr and I took the job in an instant despite the pay drop, just to get away from that A-hole of a service manager. Well I am now back up slightly over $30/hr. I have a service manager that cares about his techs and their well being. I have service writers I will gladly go out and grab a beer with. I finally work at a dealership which has no hacks. I am second most producing in the building I work at and I admire the #1 guy.

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ThatsShowBiz in San Francisco, California

25 months ago

We have 4 racks per tech, all have our own computers, etc... In addition to our toolboxes, the company provides us with tool storage for anything we cant fit in our boxes (provided to each tech with keys to lock it up).

Flat rate is not for everyone. And education is key. But if you possess the ability to multi-task and don't mind spending your free time learning about cars, you can make lots of money. At most of the places I have worked I have seen guys fail miserably. Like I said, flat rate is definitely not for everyone. But it's for me. And if you have good management and a solid dealership, you will be motivated to crank out hours and make good $. I make more than most of my friends that went to college, but again I have a good motivating solid management.

No I don't lie. When brakes are in spec I don't fib it. Yes I do all the repairs, you won't find transmission filters in my tool box drawers. No I don't take shortcuts that compromise the quality of my repairs. Yes provided my shop has the customers, I am making money.

That said, California law is changing. Almost all dealerships in California are changing to a new pay plan that involves paying techs a base pay when there is no cars or RO's to be assigned and they are on the clock. My dealership hasn't changed their policy yet but they are going to. Its a recent court verdict from I believe some Mercedes techs in LA that got this changed, if you work in Cali, by June you will be on a new pay plan.

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john in Estacada, Oregon

24 months ago

Brenton in Welland, Ontario said: I don't know man but this job working as a flat rate tech is not worth waking up and dreading the day ahead, I'm going back to school and running from this joke of a trade a fast as possible.

I have seen ads assembling bicycles and barbeques that paid over a $1000 per week.I just seen an ad for a transmission rebuilder for $11 an hour and another that paid $300 per week which is less than minimum wage.National average for a bicycle mechanic is $15.40 a lawnmower mechanic averages $15.30.A Chev Volt has over 10 million lines of code,a Boeing 787 Dreamliner has 6.5 million and a F-35 Lighning II has 8.5 million.Todays cars are having more software than the most sophisticated aircraft in the World and guys are expected to memorize wiring diagrams for 5000 different models bumper to bumper.

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john in Estacada, Oregon

24 months ago

john in Estacada, Oregon said: I have seen ads assembling bicycles and barbeques that paid over a $1000 per week.I just seen an ad for a transmission rebuilder for $11 an hour and another that paid $300 per week which is less than minimum wage.National average for a bicycle mechanic is $15.40 a lawnmower mechanic averages $15.30.A Chev Volt has over 10 million lines of code,a Boeing 787 Dreamliner has 6.5 million and a F-35 Lighning II has 8.5 million.Todays cars are having more software than the most sophisticated aircraft in the World and guys are expected to memorize wiring diagrams for 5000 different models bumper to bumper.

A first year truck driver will average 45k after two about 70k and have seen ads for local routes that paid 80k and they don't even have to provide their own truck.Plumbers start out first year at about 48k and recently found an ad in Denver that had guys doing over a 100k routinely minimual training or tools.

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john in Estacada, Oregon

24 months ago

john in Estacada, Oregon said: A first year truck driver will average 45k after two about 70k and have seen ads for local routes that paid 80k and they don't even have to provide their own truck.Plumbers start out first year at about 48k and recently found an ad in Denver that had guys doing over a 100k routinely minimual training or tools.

I did find something unusual about the trucking industry though.I seen a company running an ad that paid a driver with a CDL 70k and a mechanic with trade schooling,own tools,5 years experience and a CDL for 40k.Why doesn't the driver fix his own damned truck since he is getting paid more?

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john in Estacada, Oregon

24 months ago

john in Estacada, Oregon said: I did find something unusual about the trucking industry though.I seen a company running an ad that paid a driver with a CDL 70k and a mechanic with trade schooling,own tools,5 years experience and a CDL for 40k.Why doesn't the driver fix his own damned truck since he is getting paid more?

Does the mechanic not realize that he can also drive the trucks that he has to know more about than just the mere driver?Wouldn't the driver tell his employer to screw off for even mentioning such an unreasonable request.Does the mechanic not realize he has more invested in his tools and training than an owner operater that provides his own truck and and gets paid much more than just a driver?

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

Or you could operate a pressure washer and clean gutters for $26 an hour with a company truck and gas card provided or clean airducts for $1200 per week or be a coffee machine technician and make over a $1000 per week or you could do warranty transmission work for one of the worlds largest corporations with 80k of your own money invested in tools for about what someone at Tacobell makes.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

I see an ad on TV everyday about a black woman that makes $31.00 an hour slapping mortor between bricks as a cement mason.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

I seen another ad for bathroom remodeling that paid $1550 per job installing a modular bathtub unit that takes 1-2 days per job.Over $800 a day replacing bathtubs aint bad!

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

I had a rear cam plug job passed to me from the engine guy that said he wouldn't do it for the 4.4 hours that warranty time paid.I said that I would.When I turned the ticket into the warranty clerk she said it only paid 3.4.I said WTF!She said he was an engine guy so she looked up the time in the engine category and I was the tranny guy so she looked up the time in the trans category.But is was the same job.Oh well!

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

A speed sensor paid .2 to replace,electric diagnosis paid .6,.1 is added for parts acquisition,.1 for administrative(writing your story)and then a warranty transmission worksheet is attached(requiring vin entry,TSB search, software revisions and documenting of all findings.Total paid to tech .2 hr all included in replacement of part 12 minutes was spent just getting the part and writing your story all the rest was charity work.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

john in Salem, Oregon said: A speed sensor paid .2 to replace,electric diagnosis paid .6,.1 is added for parts acquisition,.1 for administrative(writing your story)and then a warranty transmission worksheet is attached(requiring vin entry,TSB search, software revisions and documenting of all findings.Total paid to tech .2 hr all included in replacement of part 12 minutes was spent just getting the part and writing your story all the rest was charity work.

Why do any of you guys do it?So you can get to the customer pay work and over charge to make up for it.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

john in Salem, Oregon said: Why do any of you guys do it?So you can get to the customer pay work and over charge to make up for it.

I didn't even include the time for test driving or digging the car out of the lot.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

Years back your service manager would stand up to the factory and make sure they got paid(time disputes were filed regularly)Now pansy managers don't want to create waves and get audited and most of them have never heard of a time dispute.They don't work for the factory and neither do you especially for free or at dictated pay.You decide what is the fair pay!

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

Brian in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: Continued from the last comment; bottom line, if you are smart enough to be in auto repair then you can certainly be a millwrite, or powerplant mechanic, and have more fun, and make more $. No more buying your own tools. In my opinion auto repair is a great hobby. If great mechanics/technicians keep leaving the field for better opportunities, then maybe the ones that stick around will start being valued and treated better with more $$$$. Best wishes folks!

I just watched a video about the looming shortage of auto techs that was filmed at a big auto trade school in L.A..The instructor was Latino and most of the students were too.One of the students said he was just using his school grant to learn to repair his own cars and would make over a $100 an hour doing tattoos.There were also a couple of girls that were excited about making a great living.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

john in Salem, Oregon said: I just watched a video about the looming shortage of auto techs that was filmed at a big auto trade school in L.A..The instructor was Latino and most of the students were too.One of the students said he was just using his school grant to learn to repair his own cars and would make over a $100 an hour doing tattoos.There were also a couple of girls that were excited about making a great living.

The instructor had a 1981 Chevy Chevette as a donor and said that cars have become easier to work on with OBD II and scan tools.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

Whipsaw in Seattle, Washington said: This is precisely the kind of angry, ignorant jackwagon I steer clear from when hiring . I can see you right now, wanting 6 hours to do a water pump on a Chevy so you can nurse your bottle flu and still make hours. Lazy idiot.

Where do you do your service managing at there Whipsaw in Seattle?

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

ThatsShowBiz in San Francisco, California said: So I maintain a 125%-150% efficiency level pretty much every pay period. I have next to no come backs. But the guy next to me was at 90% efficiency with a comeback every week. He got to keep his job because I was hired after him. That was brutal and made me pretty angst against union shops. I also found at that dealership, tech's deliberately tried to get other techs fired constantly to work themselves up seniority wise.

Then I went and worked at an Audi dealership. I was making $30/ hr once again. This shop was soooooo busy. Unlimited overtime was authorized all the time. You can work all night if you wanted to. Making good flat rate was a bit more difficult considering it was in an inner city and it was 1 rack per tech. But despite all the advantages we had the meanest cruelest slave driving service manager I have ever met in all my years working on cars. He drove everyone into the ground. Techs even went as far as reporting him to OSHA and getting the dealership heavily fined. There was constant secret meetings about unionizing (I hate unions) and combine that with a service manager who verbally abused his techs and acted as if he could replace anyone, I was miserable. My efficiency dropped down to an even 100% even though I knew I was easily capable of making 60-70hrs a week while working 40-50hrs a week.

Well unintentionally, a good friend of mine at a VERY high end luxury car dealership came and found me. They hired me at $27/hr and I took the job in an instant despite the pay drop, just to get away from that A-hole of a service manager. Well I am now back up slightly over $30/hr. I have a service manager that cares about his techs and their well being. I have service writers I will gladly go out and grab a beer with. I finally work at a dealership which has no hacks. I am second most producing in the building I work at and I admire the #1 guy.[/Q

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Jason in Oviedo, Florida

24 months ago

Not to sound like a dick but john get out of there if you hate it. I turned wrenches for 14 years at a GM dealer and watched it decline. Service writers make twice sometime three times as much as a tech. I got canned a year ago and couldn't be happier running a totally different business. If I do go back ill go or a writer job, sit in the a/c, write tickets and collect money. Get out dude if you can.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

@ThatShowBiz in San Francisco.What is the shoprate in your area $120-130??When I went to school I was taught that 40% was minimum for a journeyman and I started at 18 making 50%.So I figure you are only slightly over 20% and aren't making squat!

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

john in Salem, Oregon said: @ThatShowBiz in San Francisco.What is the shoprate in your area $120-130??When I went to school I was taught that 40% was minimum for a journeyman and I started at 18 making 50%.So I figure you are only slightly over 20% and aren't making squat![/QUOTE

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

Jason in Oviedo, Florida said: Not to sound like a dick but john get out of there if you hate it. I turned wrenches for 14 years at a GM dealer and watched it decline. Service writers make twice sometime three times as much as a tech. I got canned a year ago and couldn't be happier running a totally different business. If I do go back ill go or a writer job, sit in the a/c, write tickets and collect money. Get out dude if you can.

I am out.Why are service writers (glorified receptionist)getting paid so much lately?They only have basic high school skills and no investments in tools.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

Honda and Chrysler now have lifetime powertrain warranties!Now you will only get .7 tenths for an engine replacement and .4 for a transmission but only if you can balance the tight rope strung between Down the Road Motors and the unemployment office.Any other incidental repairs will be considered not billable and just part of being a good citizen feeding corrupt corporate scum.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

That is just like "Employee Pricing to the Public" that just means employees are now going to pay full price and they will use it as a gimmick to sell more cars and improve their image.

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

How about factory extended warranties that can pay you warranty time well after the normal warranty period.You are all cowards,lowlifes,thiefs and idiots!

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john in Salem, Oregon

24 months ago

Brenton in Welland, Ontario said: You have no idea you stupid dick, have you ever quoted a 6 hour job and the uneducated idiot (service advisor/ service manager) says to the customer oh we can do it in 2 hours. Who has to work like a slave? Well it sure as hell isn't you, sitting in your comfy chair in air conditioning on your high horse. It's jackasses like you on the other side of the fence who screw hard working honest techs like me. You should shut that whole in your face until you are forced to work for free. Typical service manager, what a stupid prick you are, you do nothing for this industry it's the tech who should get you pay checks you dick! People who have no idea what they are talking about should shut the "f" up.

I wished more techs had your attitude toward these lowlife scumbags,AWESOME!

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John in Saint Paul, Minnesota

23 months ago

Im a recent grad of uti and what "was" promised of becoming a master tech is quite the BS. My dealer i work for has about 20 lube techs and 15 service techs and About 45 bays. I started out making $9 hourly and after 7 months im now $12 flat rate doing oil changes/tires. I average 35 hours a week. Getting yout ASE is all false info also. I have my ASE in brakes and every now and then they question me on what i found on brake percentages!!!! The only people that move up to service techs are those people who suck D#>K. They will do anything and everything to make themself look better and new employees look like crap. As me being the youngest lube tech (20 yrs old) my coworkers say GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN. Oldest lube tech is 32 with 4 ase and has been working there for 4 years makes as much as me hourly wise, kinda pathetic. Now the "A" team service/master techs yea they make 100k a year but theyre like 60 years old. I dont know bout you but im not trying to make $12 flat rate for the next 20 years till i get promoted

Just my 2 cents. Ima give it another 5 months as i prepare myself to go back to school

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Frank in Naples, Florida

23 months ago

I've read many of the posts here and can relate to most of them as I have been in the trade all my life, from busting tires to managing shops. The thing that I see missing here are SOLUTIONS. So I'll throw in my 2 cents. Please keep in mind that I hate Govt regulation. 1- State saftey inspection and emmission testing, EVERYWHERE. 2- NO MORE PARTS STORES DOING CHECK ENGINE LIGHT DIAG AND A/C TOP OFFS IN THE PARKING LOT. 3- IF YOU ARENT CERTIFIED FOR IT, YOU DONT TOUCH IT (no more lube techs doing brake jobs) 4- NO CERTIFICATION, NO BRAKE, A/C, STEERING OR SUSPENSION PARTS FOR YOU, Mr "Do it yourselfer" If you think you can tune it yourself and it runs poorly and fails an emission test, bring it to a PROFESSIONAL. Everyone knows that for most services that require a skill such as electrician, contractor, TRUCK DRIVER, are regulated. Thats why a CDL driver usually makes more than a truck mechanic WITH A REQUIRED CDL. These changes would increase car count, increse saftey (we've all seen the botched do it yourself brake job an wondered how no one was killed). It would also reduce pollution and most importantly for those not happy with the reward for thier effort it would weed out the hacks which would leave the GOOD, PROFESSIONAL TECHS HOLDING THE ACES WHEN IT COME TIME TO NEGOTIATE PAY. Just a thought......

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Frank in Naples, Florida

23 months ago

Hmm. How about this for an after thought.... How about ASE stepping up and doing something to bring the trade up to the level of other trades where certification is REQUIRED. Isn't that supposed to be the reason for the existance of ASE in the first place? I paid for the "feel good" patches, how about getting off the pot and doing some lobbying to get this profession fully out from under the shade tree.

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btodd in Sanford, Florida

22 months ago

I have a position available in Smyrna, TN with Nissan North America.

Position Description:
Automotive service technical diagnosis and repair skill

Answers TECH LINE calls from dealership service technicians and provides them with technical information on the diagnosis and repair of customer vehicles. Collects and documents technical information on new vehicle incidents requiring repairs; prepares reports regarding such incidents for further investigation by engineering staff.
Thorough knowledge of the maintenance and repair of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles; well-versed in use of technical service manuals and tools. Good interpersonal and communications skills.
Eight or more years of increasingly responsible administrative experience, plus one or more years of directly related professional level experience.
AA degree preferred. Consider equivalent related college or technical courses, seminars and in-house classroom training. Certification as an ASE Master Technician.
Basic knowledge of word processor, spreadsheet, other PC applications, etc. to output routine products with similar, non-creative formats.

Nissan and Infiniti TECH LINE position

Skills Matrix: Required
High School Diploma or GED Required
Minimum Years Experience 2-5 years Required
AA degree preferred Desired
Certification as an ASE Master Technician Required

btodd@revolutiontechnologies.com as I will not see comments posted after this :)

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Timothy Langford in Albany, Georgia

22 months ago

btodd in Sanford, Florida said: I have a position available in Smyrna, TN with Nissan North America.

Position Description:
Automotive service technical diagnosis and repair skill

Answers TECH LINE calls from dealership service technicians and provides them with technical information on the diagnosis and repair of customer vehicles. Collects and documents technical information on new vehicle incidents requiring repairs; prepares reports regarding such incidents for further investigation by engineering staff.
Thorough knowledge of the maintenance and repair of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles; well-versed in use of technical service manuals and tools. Good interpersonal and communications skills.
Eight or more years of increasingly responsible administrative experience, plus one or more years of directly related professional level experience.
AA degree preferred. Consider equivalent related college or technical courses, seminars and in-house classroom training. Certification as an ASE Master Technician.
Basic knowledge of word processor, spreadsheet, other PC applications, etc. to output routine products with similar, non- creative formats.

Nissan and Infiniti TECH LINE position

Skills Matrix: Required
High School Diploma or GED Required
Minimum Years Experience 2-5 years Required
AA degree preferred Desired
Certification as an ASE Master Technician Required

btodd@revolutiontechnologies.com as I will not see comments posted after this :)

I don't know if this is legit being I look at Nissan.jobs daily for openings in Atlanta, Decherd, and Smyrna. I haven't seen any openings on there for this position but I am looking to do something like this and/or tech specialist that actually diagnoses the cars at the dealership.

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CSI420 in Fenton, Michigan

22 months ago

Timothy Langford in Albany, Georgia said: I don't know if this is legit being I look at Nissan.jobs daily for openings in Atlanta, Decherd, and Smyrna. I haven't seen any openings on there for this position but I am looking to do something like this and/or tech specialist that actually diagnoses the cars at the dealership.

That isnt a job working for Nissan dude. Its sub-contracted out to a third party company. These guys try to diagnose from a desk 1000 miles away. Basically all they are good for is they have access to more cases of a certain problem to send you in a certain direction. I dont know why the dealer CSI doesnt include statistics like that. Identa-Fix does and is usefull.

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