AUTOMOTIVE TECHNICAINS DONT GET PAID WELL !

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stevenrdl in Charlottesville, Virginia

73 months ago

I think it is the enviorment of big automotive groups that cause most of these complaints. Big businees groups go into it with the sole purpose of making money. Like all other business owners, there is no reason to go into business unless you plan on making money. Non profits excluded, the flate rate pay system is like working for yourself with the sole purpose of making as much money as possible.

The downside is that even though you control your own paycheck, the automotive service and repair industry makes it very hard to accomplish. You cannot be guaranteed on a daily basis how many hours or how many customers come through you door.

That is why I beleive that if you are going to work on flate rate, then you may as well work for yourself. Because there is no guarantee in that either.

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flatrateslave

73 months ago

flatrate would be fine and you could make agood living if warranty work payed right.

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tdowler in deerfield, Ohio

73 months ago

ive worked for independents, large chains, small chains and 1 dealer(land rover) and in my 15 years in the business my favorite job was at the land rover dealer but politics/drama had me looking elsewhere so now im back at a chain store with enough to pay bills but not much else. i still love the work the challenge and the sense of pride i get when repairing a vehicle, but im tired of my bosses wanting to flush everything out! id rather fix whats broke first then worry about routine maintenence! i think theyd rather have all of the customers money at once instead of servicing the customer correctly.

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Steven Redlon in Orange, Virginia

73 months ago

I just interviewed for a service writer job. I had enough of the flush game, flat rate, and all the politics and drama within the honda dealership I work for. If you are not part of the click forget it. I like people and will probaly do very well as a writer.

It is sad that I am going to have leave who I work for, but they are without a doubt on of the most miserable places I have ever worked.

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Tom in Cliffside Park, New Jersey

73 months ago

I tried the college thing for a year, did well but wanted to start my career asap so i could buy that dream house and my toys that i always wanted. At the age of 20 I decided to go to LT inst in mahway nj. Boy was that a mistake. Yea i learned about cars but going to school with a bunch of car thefts from the city is a joke. 20grand later i ended up in a job with benz starting at 10/hr. Boy did my manager liked me after i got the hang of it. knocking out 50hrs a week on flatrate at 14/hr. I was getting beat on by the other techs for taking all of there "gravy" but i didnt care at the time i was young and money hungry. now at the age of 25 im getting 21/hr working on cars that cost average off 100k. Im experianced as if i been there over 10 years. Its sad to say that i know more then my forman. To make a long story short Im tired of the abuse for working hard and getting paid horrible. Theres guys that been there for 25yrs plus getting over 80k/yr and cant fix anything. All day dealing with the idiot service advisors that dont even know what a glow plug is and getting over 100k yr ITS A JOKE! At the age of 25 i can feel a mental breakdown coming and i need to figure something out. WORKING FOR MB IS ABUSE! If your gonna work in the automotive buisness its better off if its your own shop. Trust me working around idiots that get paid more then you will drive you insane. Hope this helps anybody

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Joe in Sandwich, Illinois

73 months ago

Sounds like you need to become a service Advisor! I had no idea they made 100k a year, why does a Benz dealer pay them that much? They don't know anything, at least you could talk to the customer. Not to mention, steer the Tech in the right direction.

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Tom in Cliffside Park, New Jersey

73 months ago

Steven Redlon in Orange, Virginia said: I just interviewed for a service writer job. I had enough of the flush game, flat rate, and all the politics and drama within the honda dealership I work for. If you are not part of the click forget it. I like people and will probaly do very well as a writer.

It is sad that I am going to have leave who I work for, but they are without a doubt on of the most miserable places I have ever worked.

what dealer? and how much better was the pay for a advisor

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flatrateslave in Lincoln, California

73 months ago

yeah a kid at my shop just recently switched from a tech to a writer and his secod check was as much as mine and im a journeyman tech of 14 years. this kid came out of uti and in no way could he cut it as a tech,he even screwed up his own car when he worked on it and he changes to a writer and is making the same money as me.this is a testament to how insane this buisness is.not that dealing with the public isnt work but is the customer there to have someone make them feel good or to get their car fixed? the techs deserve a bigger cut.if your car comes in on the hook no amount of service writer schmoozing is going to make your car run so hire a kid from jack in the box to take these peoples orders and pay the techs.

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K.L. in Davenport, Florida

73 months ago

flatrateslave in Lincoln, California said: yeah a kid at my shop just recently switched from a tech to a writer and his secod check was as much as mine and im a journeyman tech of 14 years. this kid came out of uti and in no way could he cut it as a tech,he even screwed up his own car when he worked on it and he changes to a writer and is making the same money as me.this is a testament to how insane this buisness is.not that dealing with the public isnt work but is the customer there to have someone make them feel good or to get their car fixed? the techs deserve a bigger cut.if your car comes in on the hook no amount of service writer schmoozing is going to make your car run so hire a kid from jack in the box to take these peoples orders and pay the techs.

Not to mention they sit in the ac or heated room all day(most of them), dont have to buy tools,very little training,go home clean,don't have to work on that car for free that has a noise in the back wheel ever since you put that battery in for them and then get taken care of on X-mas from them customers that you did little favors for all year.

Auto tech is a effin looser job (used to be good but thoes days are long past). Im doing all I can to never roll my box into another shop again.

K.L.

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stevenrdl in Charlottesville, Virginia

73 months ago

I myself had enough, and I am a guy who really used to love cars. I am moving on to a service writer position myself, but as a former tech, I realize the importance of keeping techs paid fairly on every job so they to can make a living. The downside to being a writer, is that I to have a boss, and what I am authorized to do for my techs is decided mostly by them. I cant give something away, but because the auto business is a retail business, customer satisfaction is as important to us as it is to wal-mart.

Through my career, I have done everything from an oil change, to r and r a transmission, to selling tires and wheels at one point. I have ase, vsi inspector license, and some factory training awards from honda. I am so burned out from being a tech right now, I am leaving honda and going to become service writer.

Honda is probably one of the easiest gigs you can have as a tech, and the business has gotten so crazy, That not even honda can fuel my desire to remain a tech.

MOC cars to death, chasing noises that only pay a few tenths because of warranty, and I dont think I have ever met a tech that was happy. I was at one time, but not no more.

As technology increases future techs are going to need computer degrees to figure things out. I knew it was time to get out as soon as I read about the Chevy Volt. I just hope that there are techs being trained to fix it.

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

I read most of the postings and must say that not only was alot said but alot went unsaid.I myself have been
in the automotive business;Service Manager,writer/advisor,tire sales and technician,I have been a technician
for the majority of the 22 years.Flat rate pay is not only a rip off for the customer but for the technician as well.The manufacturer is also losing on flat rate because of working conditions.I am sure all of people
that have posted here are familiar with rushed working conditions you know the old failure to plan.I cannot
count the number of times I have had customers waiting for cars with some electronic mystery illness and have the service advisor or manager giving me #$@! about how long.This turns into buy backs under lemon law
dissatisfied customers and bad csi because of no problem found to get the car out the door and the front end off your back,unnecessary repairs just to say something was done and get the front house off your back and lets not forget whatever it takes to get the car off the lot before I lose my paycheck.I have tried many times to talk to management about creating an environment where quality work can be done without breaking the
technician.I have explained that if I am 45 minutes to an hour into diagnosing a concern and have no clue tsb
campaign etc my stress level over losing my *&^ completely hampers my skills.I have said many times that no matter how knowlegeable or good a technician is there is always that one car out there that will eat your lunch,most of the time because you have somebody dogging you about how long or because you are doing the diag for next to nothing.I could go on and on but from what I have read here you guys know what I am talking about.HERE IS THE QUESTION,What are we going [and when I say WE,I mean ;manufacturer,tech,consumer(dealers are making BANK)]to do.In my opinion the flate rate system needs to be outlawed.Who would want a physician to diagnose and treat you based on flat rate?

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

Sorry I ran out of space.We have UTI turning out techs like a puppy mill(no disrespect)when they arrive at
the dealership they have a guaranteed pay rate and the old salts the guys that learned through experience hard work and studying after work are expected to teach them how to fix a car.That way when they go on flat rate they can compete with us for the work and often time because they are green and getting paid at a lower flat rate get better work(gravy)and the experienced tech with scars and various other war wounds get pounded with the worst of the worst you know because YOU can fix it.My problem is this we get punked at every turn:bad information from service advisors and customers,goodwilled work,free because you misdiagnosed concern that you got bad information on,under paid warranty work,and lets not forget that all the while you are developing carpal tunnel,lost feeling in your hands,damaged joints wrist elbows knees,but the dealership loads the service floor so that no matter what they make money,screw the customer,the manufacturer,the tech.Break my body take time away from my family to FINISH the job,stress about broken cars that don't belong to you,train new guys to take your paycheck and don't forget to polish the right spot.I WANT A COALITION,I WANT SOLIDARITY,I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE IT IS A LOSE LOSE LOSEE LOSE SYSTEM

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steven in Orange, Virginia

72 months ago

This is what I am trying to accomplish with my start up called CARS. Cars stands for "Consumer Automotive Research Society." It was derived as side project to try and bring the consumers and the automotive industry professionals together and discuss the problems and solutions, that may make it better again for everybody. It is a new twist on the social networking sites, because I am trying to do more of a public relations format. Although some of the site is still under development, check it out at http//:cars.community.officelive.com

Let me know what you all think and any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also this project is funded privately, and I am not here to sell something. IT is designed as non profit to try and support the automotive industry and educate the consumer on why things are the way they are.

I am trying to bridge the communication gap between customer and technician so both parties can better understand each other and by doing this, hopefully consumer confidence will return to the automtoive sector.

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

I appreciate what is being said and I understand that many believe that improving the relationship between consumer and technician is a great benefit.One thing that is not understood is that you cannot do this and get paid on flat rate.Service advisor are paid to interface with the customer and your job is to fix the car.
If you spend your time talking with the customer then you are going broke,get it!I understand that talking to customers has to happen but why is there no emphasis on the quality of a service advisor that gets a base pay rate plus commisions.It seems to me that perhaps technicians are held to a standard of perfection,blamed
for unsuccessful repair attempts based on bad information and the advisor(face man) takes credit when things go well and throws tou under the bus when they don't.The dealers are making a handsome profit and with flat rate will continue to do so.They don't care if you turn 20,30,40 or 0 hours as long as the shop as whole turns out 400,500,600 hours a week they get theirs even if you lost your shirt.And since we are on advisors lets don't forget to kiss their behinds so you can work on something besides junk.I am sure all of you reading here have for whatever reason dealt with a service advisor that didn't mind letting you know who is boss.I'm sorry any way you slice there is no respect for seniority with the new kids coming in,they use you up break your body and kick you to the curb.How about a split pay system,base pay plus a performance bonus
did that way back when with western auto made good money always got a check and they had to keep me busy and profitable so as to get there money out of me.When a business has nothing invested they don't care,go sleep on top of your tool box won't cost them a dime,somebody else will be happy and turn your hours for you too.

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t_jay in Beaverton, Oregon

72 months ago

WOW kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina YOU ARE GOOD!! there are so many techs that want change me included. But those in the real position for change have no real reason to care and the managers that could make the change think it would cost them so they don't or they lack the balls, they have never been there. I like fixing cars but flatrate is not worth it ever. even on those amazing days that bring in 16 plus hours it never really makes up for the losses or even covers the rest of the pay period or the late hours it takes, or the years off our lives etc on and on. due to this I want out of this world of being pissed off at home but I can't come up with another career that I could even imagine doing atleast without going to college again. I havent finished paying off the first time around. Every time I imagine a better career I think that having my own shop would be best but I came from a family business of cabinets and know it takes a toll too owning your own. then I see idiots at jobs like banks, postal services, anything with A/C, accounting, writers, GOV jobs, whatever etc that make more money than me consistantly and I think to my self "are you f***in kidin me!!!!!!" I dream of meeting that UTI rep that lured me into this and you know what would ahppen next.

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

I am sure that there are a multitude of technicians out there that want change,early 2000 I had told a co worker that I hoped that with the changes in technology that by the end of the decade technicians would gain more respect and be paid and treated accordingly.Man was I wrong.I cannot emphasize enough how big a role the dealer coalition plays in blocking progress and change in this industry.They can work us for a small percentage of what they charge,blame us,dictate work schedule and conditions(this list could go on and on)the
thrust of my statement is this right now they keep a great big chunk of money off our busted knuckles and
they are not going to willingly give up a percentage point of profit to pay the guys that make the money machine go.I have watched so many reoports on the economy in the last 12 months and one thing holds true,the
overloaded overpaid management/executive structure TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN!and the government and the law reward them with a cash handout from the people they stole from.I call for a union or coalition of technicians to protect us from the greed.The general manager of the dealer that I work for is knocking down
a cool 7 figure salary,I don't have a problem with success or being payed well,but don't forget where that pay check comes from and don't turn your back on them for a .5% net profit.I don't believe anyone should get paid so much that the lose focus and lack incentive.It's kind a like the movie wallstreet,how many boats can they ski behind,how many cars can they drive?Calling for technicians that get my point don't like alot of the union crap but I sure do like not being in the position where I have to worry and strees everyday in a right to work stste

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steve in Plano, Texas

72 months ago

all the managers are the kisses and the technicians are the same ,they think that managers like them but they only like them for there pay check you make them ,quit this job and go do some thing where you grow and then the company ,right now all of you guys are making the company grow and to hell with you ,who cares about u , no one ,so remember guys you all are nothing ,one mistake ,get screwed and some one takes your place ,dont waste your life time with this dirty people ,make use of your life ,dont kill your self every day ,let them do there job themself or close the shop but you can do better .

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steve in Plano, Texas

72 months ago

iam a body man and have my car in a body shop to do repair and paint the whole car ,watch guys how i will make this shop cry and i will pin point each and every thing ,the owner has to spend more money on my car than wat he thought he was going to make .

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

Yes quit the job and do something more productive,I am 45 years old and one thing that I believe is this,we
technicians that have been there have an obligation to the coming generations,we can walk away but someone else will be found to fill that spot and the problems will be theirs,I submit that we should work for change and progress.The automotive repair business will be there for years to come and rather than walk away and let someone else inherit the problems is not satifactory,why not pick a place a time or a venue and make a stand for change!I am listening and others are as well everyone take a moment and lets figure how to move forward.One day one of our children may choose this field of work and I would like to leave them something more than what I found

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

Technicians be aware that there is a website where you can compose one e-mail and have it sent to all your government officials state and federal,I will include with my next post,not necessarily the answer but it is someplace to start

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steve in Plano, Texas

72 months ago

just by winning nothing will happen ,iam a 41 years old and i have already gone from this industry ,think about your self ,not your children ,teach them something good and send them to school to do some thing where they can make money and live a good life not to make some one else happy and fill there pockets ,if every tech sit down and think hard you will find a way ,i had a broken hip ,got my hip replaced but who cares ,no one only affects me so now iam goint to school to do HVAC ,after school iwill be able to work for my self ,because this job is all around the year ,think hard guys

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steve in Plano, Texas

72 months ago

NO WILL LISTERN BROTHER ,JUST KEEP MOVING FORWARD

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

Children don't always do what you teach,and frequently don't learn from your mistakes so hoping they won't end up a technician may be a happy thought but no guarantee.USA.gov gives info for contacting your elected officials.We can B%^$& about forever and technicians are stereotyped as B&^%$ artists lets do something
productive.I am sure that everyone understands that waiting for someone else gets nothing done but gives rise to more of the wrong kinds of changes.Let's find our stones and fix this broken vehicle,that is what we do!Good luck with new careers

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

To no one will listen,it appears that there are alot of technicians beside myself listening here,there is
plenty of light it just needs to be focused and on the right place.There have been so many groups out there that no one ever thought would have the traction they have today but they got organized and focused and now
hold a very powerful and effective tool for change that considers their best interest.So lets not forget
success comes in cans corny but true.I can find a thousand reasons not to do anything and B%^$& about it everyday,but we all see where that has gotten us,they don't listen to the B#$%^ing but an organization with
focus and a respectable well planned agenda is another matter.Lets not forget there are alot of unhappy consumers out there that don't understand or know what is going on or for that matter how we get payed to repair their vehicles.I am absolutely positive they will have input to support a more productive and accountable system

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K.L. in Davenport, Florida

72 months ago

I watch this posting board about 2/3 times a week. Change is needed flat rate dosent work anymore. I will support any cause to bring it about even though I have pretty much given up on making this a career anymore. At 42 by the time this ship gets righted I'll be SOL in my old age. To any of you recently unemployed and happen to be getting a unemployment check look into a government run W.I.A. program through your state unemployment workforce services, Im getting sent back to school to learn HVAC for absolutly free, this is my way out. To you guys staying in the business you gotta get this 1970's flat rate pay abolished it dosen't work anymore, the labor times are unfair and the pay doesn't equal the experiance and its only gonna get worse.I fully support change in anyway. You will never get ahead with slimy x-used car salespeople running the dealerships I hope 1 day to see them put in check.

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steve in Plano, Texas

72 months ago

wat does wia means and how can i reach them ,please inform me too ,i want to do the same thing HVAC thanks

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K.L. in Davenport, Florida

72 months ago

steve in Plano, Texas said: wat does wia means and how can i reach them ,please inform me too ,i want to do the same thing HVAC thanks

W.I.A. is workforce investment act. www.doleta.gov/programs
Don't know how to reach them in Texas, in Florida I started the process through unemployment services here. Maybe that Gov website will help you or check your state unemployment site.
But bascially there is $5000 on the table to go to school if aproved

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steve in Plano, Texas

72 months ago

thanks for the info i really appreciate it

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james in Santa Fe Springs, California

72 months ago

Joe in Sandwich, Illinois said: Sounds like you need to become a service Advisor! I had no idea they made 100k a year, why does a Benz dealer pay them that much? They don't know anything, at least you could talk to the customer. Not to mention, steer the Tech in the right direction.

sorry i'm replying to this a little late,but let me advise all techs thinking about becoming service advisors(what you'll need to succed and keep your job)
A) Reqirement #1 and most important=You must look the part and have the right type of voice speaking range. must be loud but not too loud and must resonate in the room and over the phone.
B) You must at all time have the right posture and always send out the correct body language.
C) You must posses the abillity to handle people well,think and act and create quickly on your feet(fly by the seat of your pants)
D) Possess a possitve personallity.
F) People are fascinated by you, your prescence and voice puts them in a mild hypnotic trance. In short you come across as a winner. From upper4 class sofistication.
Hope this will help some techs who are thinking about making a carrer change to service advisor,recomend go see movie "boiler room" because it's very realistic and this job is very similar to being a financial adviasor. GOOD LUCK

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Joe in Sandwich, Illinois

72 months ago

Most Consumers have no idea how this system works. They buy their Car or Truck and think they have a Lifetime warranty, no worries!

There needs to be a News report on 60 Minutes or 20/20 that uncovers how screwed up this system is.

If more people were aware of this mess, maybe something could be done.

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kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina

72 months ago

I totally agree about some media attention,just need to figure out how and who,I have tried to contact some of the news agency need to talk to an investigative reporter that wants to take it on,I would like to see a
5 night series so that people could find out how the system is broken,its one way to put pressure on for change.I know most dealerships would hate to get any media attention

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Steven in Orange, Virginia

72 months ago

Looking for supporters for my web site CARS (Consumer Automotive Research Society). If interested in checking us out, go to cars.community.officelive.com. I know that address is a little drug out, but I am still in the development stages. At least I am trying to do something positive for both the automotive consumer and the automtoive professional. I would love support, feedback, or even some advice on how I can make my site better.

I love cars, and I love the industry. I dont want to be forced out of a career that i have always been passionate about. I am looking to make a positive change so that the industry can become better for everyone.

As my web site grows, and word gets out I am hoping to eventually present the idea to my local congress in hopes they may be interested as well.

I started this as non profit, I do offer advertising on my site to cover the costs of keeping the site going. Basically I pay 14.95 a year to keep it going. MY idea was to sell ads on my supporters page at the tune of 14.95 a year. That is what it cost me, so that is what it would charge for any support.

Basically your ad along with a link would appear to your shop or dealership, and that may attract future business to your establishment.

I am not trying to take sides, I am trying to take a proactive approach to like I said earlier, making the indsutry better for everyone.

Anyways guys and girls, please let me know if you would be intersetd in sharing any ideas. I am trying to do something good.

Steven R.

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K.L. in Davenport, Florida

72 months ago

Steven in Orange, Virginia said: Looking for supporters for my web site CARS (Consumer Automotive Research Society). If interested in checking us out, go to cars.community.officelive.com . I know that address is a little drug out, but I am still in the development stages. At least I am trying to do something positive for both the automotive consumer and the automtoive professional. I would love support, feedback, or even some advice on how I can make my site better.

I love cars, and I love the industry. I dont want to be forced out of a career that i have always been passionate about. I am looking to make a positive change so that the industry can become better for everyone.

As my web site grows, and word gets out I am hoping to eventually present the idea to my local congress in hopes they may be interested as well.

I started this as non profit, I do offer advertising on my site to cover the costs of keeping the site going. Basically I pay 14.95 a year to keep it going. MY idea was to sell ads on my supporters page at the tune of 14.95 a year. That is what it cost me, so that is what it would charge for any support.

Basically your ad along with a link would appear to your shop or dealership, and that may attract future business to your establishment.

I am not trying to take sides, I am trying to take a proactive approach to like I said earlier, making the indsutry better for everyone.

Anyways guys and girls, please let me know if you would be intersetd in sharing any ideas. I am trying to do something good.

Steven R.

I went on the website seems more setup for consumers or salespeople. What are you planing to do thats positive for the automotive profesionals(tecs)that don't own a dealership or a shop?

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K.L. in Davenport, Florida

72 months ago

kharon2012 in Cary, North Carolina said: I totally agree about some media attention,just need to figure out how and who,I have tried to contact some of the news agency need to talk to an investigative reporter that wants to take it on,I would like to see a
5 night series so that people could find out how the system is broken,its one way to put pressure on for change.I know most dealerships would hate to get any media attention

Them truck drivers got a lot of media attention last year when they decided to all take a day off in protest back when gas was so high they were loosing $$ on every run. Too bad in this industry we couldn't all stick together for something like that.

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Jim in Denver, Colorado

72 months ago

The whole dealership and flatrate system is a failure to techs. Back in the day a tech got 50% of labor and could make an honest living. Now days dealer flatrate is around $100 and hour and I get paid 20.00 a flat hr. So I get all the warranty electrical mystery work and those noises that happen after the customer drives in a ditch. Meanwhile the new guys that are paid 14-18 a flat hour get all the timing belts and on on car brake resurface jobs that pay good while they have three flush machines running. This whole greed driven business is unfair to the tech and the customer. I've had it and will be going back to college this fall to take physical therapy. Good luck to the rest of you.

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t_jay in Beaverton, Oregon

72 months ago

mass communication is the largest leap we have to overcome. a dateline or 20/20 episode would light bonfires of change. but (It's like middle east, keeping track of what thery're fighting for requires a degree alone). Technicians don't have enough control in this argument once media gets a hold of it. the media couldn't possibly portray the right picture. there are so many differing opinions. I see technicians take a stand for certain things they are fed up with and in the end they just lose out on more money and get denied for a fair raise cause their "attitude needs adjustment". another idea would be "twitter". you have all heard of it by now (I hope). the postings here are great but still not enough people read it or have even heard of the site. some of this help we need could come from a coalition with ASE but most dealers that i've talked to dont care about ASE anyway, mostly independants really do. but hey thats just my experiences.

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raymill in Valparaiso, Indiana

72 months ago

flatrateslave said: flatrate would be fine and you could make agood living if warranty work payed right.

and why do they insist on you haveing ASE CERTS? to make themselves look better.

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t_jay in Beaverton, Oregon

72 months ago

When I was intersted in this career I heard lots of false information regarding how much technicians actually make. wow were they all wrong. sure some could make a decent living but their really is not enough good work coming in any shop for more than one tech to make a real good living. It all has to be spread evenly no favorites. I found a website that puts it down brutal for most careers. if your thinking of a career change it would be nice to have a real Idea of what you can actually expect to make before your comitted to more financial aid repayment. dont listen to what people say any career pays without finding some facts. check out this site first. www.job-hunt.org/careers/index.html

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flatrateslave in Lincoln, California

72 months ago

i agree the flatrate system needs a spotlight shined on it and customers would see how it works and if their smart they would boycot flatrate shops and force shops to be hourly. not to mention the fact that there should be some kind of labor law against flatrate. i have talked to the techs at my work several times about having some kind of walk out but its impossible to get everyone in on it, wich i can understand because it is a risk but if all mechanics got together like those truckers it could at least get some attention.

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flatrateslave in Lincoln, California

72 months ago

is it just me or does this guy come off as a douche?

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steve r in Orange, Virginia

72 months ago

I just left a Honda Dealership to go work in a merchants.The dealer I worked for drained me so bad, that I actually stepped down from the team, took an 8.00 dollar an hour pay cut, and worked the lube rack until I left. I am tired, burned out, and pray that eventually I can leave the industry altogether. I am getting closer to my goal, I think I just need 12 more months.

Dont trust Autonation and freedom of speech They may be able to get you for slander because you work for them. I could say Auto Nation sucks because I have never worked for one. I dont have insider information on that particular company.

Lastly dealerships are no longer run by car people. They are run by executives that know very little about cars. The have become corporations, ie automotive groups.

You are a source of income to them, and when they feel that you no longer can increase their bottom line, you may be gone. All corporations work this way, not just dealerships.

It has become a dead end job that will burn you out, mentally bring you down when the writer feels like being a jackass, and you will always be in debt because you live hand to mouth.

Technology has killed the industry.Cars can no longer be diagnosed and fixed with bullet speed. Consumer education wil help this industry out greatly. But nobody seems to care.

They do a great job on educating the consumer on why they need a fuel service at 30k,but actually educating the customers on why being a technician is a tough business nowadays, does not happen. It is easier for them just to hide the truth.

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steve r in Orange, Virginia

72 months ago

dont know

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flatrateslave in Lincoln, California

72 months ago

i hear you, why do techs have to go get another job or start another career when we all worked hard for years and spent a ton of money on tools to have this career. and people will always need mechanics too bad we seem to somehow be loosing our value i really just dont get it. i always thought that as long as i had good skills and the tools to do this job i would do good in life i guess i was wrong.

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steve r in Orange, Virginia

72 months ago

The industry is tough. Its image has been tarnished for many years. In my opinion technology is what really killed it. You really dont need dvd players in your car. I really wished I had the answer. I think when you get offered a 21.00 dollar an hour job, it feels good to say you make 21.00 dollars an hour. BUt if you are turning 6 hours a day, 21.00 dollars an hour will not add up to much after taxes and such. Dealers will pay you a high hourly wage, when they know they wont have to pay it.

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FEARLESS in San Diego, California

72 months ago

WELL I AM GLAD TO SAY THAT IAM NOT FOLLOWING THIS CARRER PATH AFTER ALL I WAS GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL TO BE TECH AT UTI BUT I JUST NEVER THOUGHT THAT THE SCHOOL ITSELF WAS GOING TO BE A BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY AROUND $40,000. TOTAL TUITION. NOW I AM GOING TO A COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND MAJORING IN BUSINESS MANAGEMENT WHICH IAM ABSOLUTELY CONCERN THAT IAM GOING TO EARN A LOT MORE MONEY STARTING AS A BUSINESS MANAGEMENT GRADUATE THAN IF I WAS A TECH.

MY BEST ADVICE TO THOSE WHO ARE PLANNING TO BE TECH. DO SOME RESEARCH ABOUT THE CARRER BEFORE MAKING A DECISION IT HELP ME I AM SURE IT CAN HELP ANYONE.

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Joe_A in Columbus, Ohio

71 months ago

Going to UTI is idiotic way too expensive. I went to a local community college for ford ASSET, you get sponsored by a dealership and the apprenticeships count as 2 years experience even though it is only 3 quarters worth, therefore you are eligible for the ASE exams and in ASSETs case all ASE exam costs are reimbursed to you if you pass. Also upon graduation you placement is near 100%, because the dealership wants to get the money back out of you so you are kinda on your own when it comes to keeping yourself there. My entire education tuition, books and tools cost me approximately 17 grand with two associates degrees one in automotive technology and one in automotive service management.

Overall i was happy with the schooling side of things actually getting in the shop with a lead tech was extremely benificial to me. To everyone saying domestics are a bad way to go, i agree except in ford's case, overall the company is looking good.

As far as flat rate goes we need to take that mofo down. Or at the very least have reasonable times for the more complex jobs and diagnostic time included. When i was still a greenhorn I on occasion would make more money than the very lead tech that taught me basically all i knew. Because the labor time alloted to difficult jobs is so idiotic. The lack of diagnostic times can make it so i can make more money with maintenance work and simple repairs (all they would give me) than the guy one bay over who spent hours chasing that noise or got slammed with idiotic diagnostics that turn up nothing because he pissed off the wrong guy. You guys are often badmouthing the young techs which I am one of but even i can tell when a system is corrupt and i can say that a lot of the more experienced techs deserve to be making a lot more than me.

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hayford amankwah in Milan, Italy

71 months ago

l am mechanic and want job to do l can do everthing in automotive

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Jose1994 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

71 months ago

I'm in school and i would like to work in this feild but, i was told to do some reasearch. But my question is how much would they make after 20 years of exp?

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steven in Orange, Virginia

71 months ago

I make 21 dollars an hour with ASE and VSI license. I used to hate being a technician until I left the dealerships and went into aftermarket, independent shops. Dealerships are ok if you want to specialize in one type of vehicle. Be prepared to but up with alot of drama and politics.

The independents are nice, but you never know how long there doors will be open, and benefits may or may not exist.

The national chains like Firestone, Goodyear, Midas, usually offer salary with commission. That can be both good and bad. Be prepared to work weekends in the national chains, for they are 100% retail enviorment. But they are also corporations that usually offer 401K, health care, and paid vacations.

Hope this info helps you decide, and good luck with your future endeavors.

Steven R

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Joe in Sandwich, Illinois

71 months ago

From my my past job history, I can tell you to avoid dealerships and national chains. They are a pain! They work you too hard for your efforts.

If you can find a decent independent shop that pays hourly, go for it!

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