AUTOMOTIVE TECHNICAINS DONT GET PAID WELL !

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Joe in Sandwich, Illinois

74 months ago

So long as Oil is produced, these cars are not a threat. I recently saw a show on the Green channel called Who Killed the Electric Car?

This show talked about Electric Cars made by GM, Ford, Toyota and Honda.

They tested these cars out in California. They had plenty of Tree huggers that were ready to test them out. They drove them for some time, most of them where trouble free and these people loved them.

For no reason at all, all the car makers took their electric cars back. The people that were driving them wanted to buy them. But all the Auto makers said they needed to do further testing on the cars.

The Film makers tracked down what happened to these cars. They were all destroyed! Why? Because all of the Auto Makers have tons of money invested in the Oil companies.

All the Auto makers are out to make themselves look good to the public.
Many people have drank the kool aid and believe in Global Warming.

They also believe there is a Oil shortage. These people need to wake up and realize it is all about Money! These Cars of the Future, Fuel Cell, Electric, whatever are all a big joke.

I really doubt in 5 years that cars will evolve to Fuel Cells and Electric when money is to be made with Oil around.

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Honda tech in Savannah, Georgia

74 months ago

I think a man or a deep speech can change the world. Steven if u need a hand let me know. I also know that money is the one in control all the time, unless something happens that can change the way of how people look at different things or issues. I am a tech and I know that the business is not going to change(hopefully)and I say hopefully because I will like to see in the future every good technician doing something different and see how the hacks and flushers are going to fix this computers on wheels.In 1995 Honda said: Here is the new thing natural gas, learn this, buy some tools and get ready for the future. In 2000 they said: Here is the new thing Hybrids,learn this, buy some tools and get ready for the future. Now they are saying here is the hydrogen,learn this , buy some tools and get ready for the future..BLA,BLA,BLA.... That's what I here. No Oil means, no spark plugs , no filters, no fuel system and many other things that can collapse their system and they are not gonna let that happen. So every 5 years they are coming out with something new so we think they are fixing the problem.The problem is flatrape they make money when they don't pay us right. I don't think it's going to change but I am going to, and hopefully the dealers will have a nightmare with this computers on wheels and the hacks.. Good luck everybody!

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Steven R in Orange, Virginia

74 months ago

I will admit that since leaving the dealerships, I have been happier and more steady with pay. What I am trying to accomplish is a positive impact for the whole industry. I used consider myself an import guy, but since leaving Honda, I have had the opportunity to work on trucks, and fleet maintenance seems to provide more stability as a tech. Trucks are bigger, some things are heavier, but with my expirence they seem more easy to get to the components, unlike a freakin Civic with a water pump pulley recall or some bs thing like that.

I do feel that the report I am working on can make an impact, but it has to be presented with educated answers, facts not assumptions, and I will need to have people on myside. If I try and do this alone, I may not get anywhere. I love being tech, I like figuring out why an engine light may be on, or what is causing a slight miss in the engine, and so on and so forth. It is the politics of corporations that make the rules, I know of Chevy dealership in my town, that is family owned, and none of there people are on flate rate.

Its the automotive groups and national chains that are causing turn over and forcing techs to take short cuts. As long as their is Executives making decisions who know nothing about cars, then I feel the problem will always exist. Hopefully what I am working on can change some of that without it costing me career. Happy Holidays.

Steven R

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

I am not a know it all,I have been in this business along time though and have seen it go straight to hell.Right now the dealer that I work at has an help wanted ad out for an A.S.E. Master transmission specialist for 10.00 per hour to undercut me.I say good luck to them.I make an average of 40.00 and am having a hard time making ends meet living in a 1 bedroom apartment in Anchorage and pay 6.00 for a gallon of milk and 3.50 a gallon for gas.As for fuel cells read about it dumba** before you think that you know it all.Alaska petroleum supplies have been have been diminishing between 3-6% a year as of late.Go to Chevron,B.P.,Shell or any oil company website and read idiot.They are investing billions into alternatives namely hydrogen.What will you do when gas is 8.00 per gallon and hydrogen is 3.00.Do understand that the"Cash for Clunkers"was designed for this future conversion.It is all laid out in the Hydrogen Posture Plan with even geographic regions and the resources within them to produce the Hydrogen.And furthermore embicile moron did you know what fuel was used in the very first internal combustion engine?It really isn't a matter of if anymore but when.It is definently a huge undertaking(the technology and the infrastructure)and may be delayed because of the economy or whatever but it will come.They predicting that by 2020 that 25% of cars on the road will be of fuel cell tech.That is 25% of all cars on the road not cars being produced at that time.Hopefully battery tech will develop more but it isn't looking promising.I can't explain it all,but I do know that the more you know the more you find out that you don't know.The U.N.scienist are arguing right now about the amount of petroleum reserves left.The difference of opinion between them is a matter of 20yrs.If supplies are dropping and demand is going up the price goes thru the roof.All our fertilizers and pesticides are derived from petrol.What happens to the food supply if we burn it all in cars?

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Joe in Sandwich, Illinois

74 months ago

You think that Cash for Clunkers was to help us convert to Fuel Cell Cars?

Where are these Fuel Cell Cars? Where are the Electric Cars?

They will not be ready in 5 years just because someone writes an article saying they will. If that where the case, we should all be driving flying cars like they said we would be back in the 50's !

As far as production of Oil being down in Alaska, you have to thank the Goverment for that. They are holding the Oil Companies back, but not for long, they will get some money under the desk to allow it to continue.

It is all about Money! Not Technology or clean air!

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Honda tech in Savannah, Georgia

74 months ago

Hi Joe in Sandwich, U said something about that show Who Killed The Electric Car. The #1 reason why those electric cars were destroyed (at least the Honda ones) was this.. NO PROFITS!. These vehicles were going to the shop just for a tire rotation and wiper fluid. And for that simple reason they are not in the market. I never work on this kind of vehicles but i know a guy that did.

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Honda tech in Savannah, Georgia

74 months ago

Hi Fishonjon, Don't hate me man but here in the US the factories like Honda shot down production for 2 days out of every working week due to the slow economy. Dealers were not selling new cars and that's why the put that "cash for clunkers" the people took advantage of that deal and they all got new cars and all that. That cash for clunkers was not for Hydrogen vehicles or any other vehicle, it was just to sell those new cars stuck at the dealers and the factories.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

I didn't say that this last summer's cash for clunkers was for fuel cell cars,but the same program is outlined in the Hydrogen posture plan.A government rebate program designed to eliminate less efficient cars for more efficient ones.We will hopefully never run out of petroleum but we have used up all the easy inexpensive to drill for oil already all that is left is really hard to get to and we are producing at max capacity barely able to keep up with demand which is increasing steadily as production is dropping which is making it difficult to keep prices down low enough to as to not destroy the worlds economies.Not to mention that our lives are being held in the palms of the Arabs.Our future energy supplies are going to come from a variety of different resources anything that can be converted to electricity.Fuel cells cannot only power cars but residential and industrial power generation also.They are already in use such as remote cell tower power,hospital,hotels and some manufacturing.Like I have been saying it is already here all you have to do is read about it.Cummins has a fuel cell program,Transit buses are in use,forklifts are lifting,even f.c.cell phones.If you can't read then watch some youtube videos.There is alot of crackpot stuff but if you learn then you can know the difference.I just want to help man!

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

Last July the D.O.E. had a technical advisory meeting projecting manufacturing cost of the auto fuel cells and the storage units.The cost are calculated using todays technology,2012 tech and 2015 tech and amount of units being produced out to 100,000,which should give someone a good idea of what they have in mind.The tech is expensive so they are developing manufacturing process's and uses of different less expensive materials to make them more viable and affordable to the average consumer.Hydrogen safety and handling procedures are being developed.All this stuff is being tested and developed and then will be dropped on our heads overnight when it is ready.Iceland claims to be the world's first hydrogen economy they have the infrastructure they are just waiting for the cars.Technolgy is funny.Someone could find a better way tomorrow and everything that I have said could be a bunch of B.S..Has anyone seen the new Toyota commercial?

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Joe in Sandwich, Illinois

74 months ago

As I have said before and I will say again. It is all about the Money!

Toyota and other Car Makers and Oil Companies can air all the commercials they want to.

Honda Tech has another valid point that there is no profit to be had with a Vehicle that needs no Oil Changes, no fluids flushed, etc...

Oil companies say that they are behind Alternative fuels, they say they spend billions on them. I doubt that they are when Car Makers are pulling the plug on all of these future cars.

Not to mention that with the economy the way it is, Car Makers do not have the Budgets they once had. It would be hard for them to re-tool and come up with all the resources to do all of this.

All this talk of Fuel Cell and Electric Cars is a bunch of Propaganda to make them all look good. With Global warming being exposed for what a sham it is and everyone freezing their butts off this winter. All of this stuff is a hard pill to swallow.

Loads of Oil is here in the United States. It is being protected by Tree Huggers right now. There are several more reasons why it hasn't been touched. Most of them are Money Related.

It is hard to believe any of this stuff that has been written about these future cars and their future fuels, when you see what Auto Makers and Oil Companies are doing right now.

Don't drink the Kool-aid my friends, think for yourselves!

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

The Kool-aid you've been drinking is spiked with something.You're right about the enviromentalist preventing drilling and exploration,but these court battles are adding to the cost of fuel.The areas that they believe have deposits are remote and hard to get to anyway when all combined makes the oil very pricy.They are still finding new oil and new ways of getting it,but they are having trouble keeping up.It is hilarious to argue with some that has read one article or watched one T.V. show that can possibly understand.When all of the worlds governments,every oil company,all auto manufactures, countless other huge corporations and every university are working as hard as they can to solve our energy problems.80% of our oil is imported.What happened in the 70's when our own oil supply could not keep up?You are welcome to think for yourselves and advise you to do so.I my self am not cable of grasping the whole picture.I would like to think that it really is all one big huge conspriracy,but if it is not then we all have a tough reality to face.Like I keep saying the cars are here now not the future and they will not sell until there is infrastructure.There will not be infrastructure until we buy the cars.We will buy the cars when the price of oil exceeds the cost of hydrogen.Chevron is the largest producer of hydrogen now what would it matter to them if we buy gas or hydrogen?They are going to make money no matter what.The money arguement does make sense we all need it.I don't feel comfortable knowing that an Arab has the ability to starve my family to death or that the solutions will put me out of work.I am done.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

I guess I am not done yet,don't want to leave on a bad note.There is a light at the end of the tunnel.Imagine what we will do with all the money being sent out of country on the oil itself and the need to defend it.The defense budget hasn't even been figured into the equation yet.Auto workers may all but disappear but the new jobs that come from the new products of this technology will boom.Imagine a residential Fuel cell unit that is supplied strictly by natural gas,creates electricty,pure clean water,hot water,heat for the home,oxygen and will fill your tank or a car that you can plug into your house and supply energy not only for your home but 4 of your neighbors.Sounds pretty futuristic.It's already here and being done.It can only be held back for so long.

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hangarrat in Kansas City, Missouri

74 months ago

Hey guys i graduated from tad technical institute in 1996 was told i could get a job at a local dealership went and applied was told i needed 5 years experience in that particular type of vehicle ask how the f$@K i was supposed to get the experience without knowing the vehicles straight out of tech school i didn't specialize in anything and now i work at a salvage yard diagnosing and dismantling cars, and trucks for $8.00 an hour it really sucks i can dismantle a wrecked car in about 12hrs. The company i work for expects me to dismantle the vehicles like i were going to put it back together. My ASE in steering and suspension doesn't mean squat and neither do any of my other certificates such as my hunter alignment training certificate or my doctor of motors engine overhaul and theory certicate, my ASE certification for refrigerant recovery and recycling. I work from 8:00am-5:30pm m-f have been doing this for about 5 and a half years now i reccommend getting out of the bussines and i am going to move out of kcmo to work for the airlines as an A&p on airplanes after graduating from aviation maintenace school.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

Might I suggest electrical engineering or pipe fitting.I have a buddy that just got hired on in the pipe fitters union starting out at 21.75 an hour while he trains for six weeks then is dispatched out ready to work with .50 increase for every 1000 hrs(about a buck a year)all the killer benies and will reach journey wages in 5 years which is in the high 30's.He went to the north slope and will be working 12hr shifts 7 days a week for 6 weeks on and then 2 off.He will start out making over 2k a week.I told him that he may not make it to journey he could probably retire by then.He just finished paying off his tools and school loans to become a wrench after 4 yrs at a dealer making 12.00 an hour.He can finally move out of his parents house now I am happy for him.Also you could move to Oregon and wash dishes for 8.40 an hour

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

Gosh I just keep going on and on but has anyone heard of Cali's Z.E.V.mandate and the ten other states signing on.All good techs would have read about this already it's only been out there for ten years.Read about their deadlines.Why haven't I met tech school grad that had any knowledge of it?

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Joe in Sandwich, Illinois

74 months ago

The reason I believe that this is all about money, is the fact that we do have the Technology to Build an Electric car that will go longer than 100 miles on a single charge.

We do have the Technology to build Fuel cell cars that would run cleaner and be cheaper to run.

We have had Diesel Locomotives for years that haul Tons of Cargo, 400 miles to the gallon. Why isn't there a Diesel Hybrid?

But it doesn't get done. Not when the powers that be have a profit to make.

At the end of the day it will always be about Money, that is a Fact.

Even the Democrats that are in power and promise clean air, are being paid Millions of Dollars to leave things the way they are. They are also costing us millions of dollars while they do this.

Emission test centers in my area are closing down. Most of the Smog belching, gas guzzling cars are gone.

I would not say that Fuel Cell or Electric cars will never be Mass produced. But they will not be here in 5 or 10 years. All of the Laws and mandates really do not matter. Business will go on in Washington as it has for Hundreds of years. Behind closed doors with big pay offs.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

Dude this is getting pathetic.If you open you eyes and look you will see that they are already here.I am trying to prevent any more lambs being led to slaughter.These so called tech schools are cranking out upstarts at an extreme pace.Exploiting the ignorant and driving down the wages of an already under valued craft.That's where the money is at selling little kids big snap on tool boxes,stealing their lunch money and the dealers get to boss around 10.00 an hour punks instead of 30.00 an hour jerk know it alls.Watch when it smacks you in the head you will all of a sudden become the fuel cell guru that has been all over this stuff for years.You will be the one passing out the"I told you so's".The snowball is rolling buddy and we are going to be flattened by it.It will probably get delayed as usual that's our government,but it is going to happen.Big mouth blowhard conspiracy theory know it all's are going to make it worse.What if by 2030 there are only 25% f.c.'s on the road how many techs will be out of work in the prime of their careers and undercutting their buddy to try to feed their kids.IF YOU ARE SMART GET OUT OF THE AUTO REPAIR BUSINESS NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

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Joe in Sandwich, Illinois

74 months ago

Being a Mechanic / Technician is no way to make a living.

That is the whole point of this forum.

These Future Cars that we have been talking about, will not be maintained by Tech's that work on our present day cars.

It will be a specialist only trade. The Auto Makers will have to train people that specialize in these cars and no others. Asking the present day techs to learn a Totally New Technology on top off dealing with present day stuff. Will be too much. Everyone here has stated how badly they are treated. Why would they want to stick their necks out to learn more?

Once these Cars are out of Warranty, the people that own them will be crying the Blues. The cost of Labor and parts will make them wish they had their old cars back.

You will need a College Degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science.
All so you can make $40,000 to $50,000 a year.

No independent shops will be qualified to repair them and the only place to go will be the Stealership. These New Techs will deal with Flat Rate too as well as all the crap that goes with it.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

If I were young again I would definetly get atleast an A.A. in electrical engineering.2 years in school and the whole world ahead of you.It would have been far easier than becoming an auto tech and cheaper also.I actually might have became a respectable human being instead of being ripped off,lied to,exploited and paid whatever they felt like paying me.I might have been able to give my kids a better life rather than telling them every year at Christmas that work has been slow so I can't buy them anything or that I can't take them to the doctor because the rats took my health insurance away.I am going to be blackballed out of the industry completely for speaking the truth.Oh yeah they have tried that before too.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

I used to date a service manager.She attended a dealer association meeting and said that my name was mentioned specifically.I asked why and she said that they thought that I was causing all the techs in the area to want more money.I am a westcoaster and realestate went thru the roof and shop rates were climbing but the techs weren't being raised up accordingly.S.M.'s would not give you a raise but every shop needed me.I put my self out to highest bidder.It was easy because they were calling me.If I needed a raise I had to get another job,if the new place was busy and treated me right I brought my buddies.They conspired that night at the meeting to put an end to it.They were told not to recruit out of other dealers and to never offer more than you were already making.They got their own little union.When 2 or more people conspire to oppress another class of people it is a major violation of ones civil rights.It is no longer a free market society

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

Others ways they hold us down is our training certs..Requiring new hires to have so many credentials that you can only get thru them.If you change lines and get behind it is really hard to get back in.If you don't have the certs.you don't get paid.How many times have you seen the dork with every certificate hanging on the wall that couldn't twist a wrench if it were hanging out his a**.Background checks.The eqal opportunity commission has specific guidelines on the use of background check usage.One is that they are not necessary unless in a security position.Two is that if a third party(internet)is used that the potential employee must be aware and it be mailed to them 2 weeks prior to allow for correction of errors in reporting and if not hired because of check that they must give you a letter of adverse effect.14 states have very specific laws about the use and some require an offer of pay be made prior to check.I have never heard of any of this being done and most of the time they will do it without even telling you.They will use anything to not pay.It is the H.R.'s that do the hiring not the S.M.'s anymore.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

Greg in Columbia, Missouri said: You are all a bunch of whiners. Anyone with decent skills and a desire to learn can and will make a very good living as a flat rate tech. The biggest problem I see is just what I have seen here. A bunch of hens standing around crying about what they cant do. I think you should all quit and go sell hamburgers at mickey d's so that you can find something else to gripe about.

Well the dealer I'm at has guys in front sucking all c/p gravy,they guys in back do all the fricken warranty.Out of 12 guys in back only 1 is above 100% and he could run the Boston marathon everyday the rest hover around 40-50%.Most of the guys in front are around 200% and 1 at 400%.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

Back in the day a tech could work up to foreman then manager.They don't want former tech managers anymore because they are sympathetic towards the techs.When was the last time anyone has filed a time dispute?I haven't seen one in 20yrs.Times have been cut in half and are much more technical today.Managers don't even know what they are anymore.Managers don't want to create any waves either bacause they have corprate aspirations or they fear being audited.

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska said: Well the dealer I'm at has guys in front sucking all c/p gravy,they guys in back do all the fricken warranty.Out of 12 guys in back only 1 is above 100% and he could run the Boston marathon everyday the rest hover around 40-50%.Most of the guys in front are around 200% and 1 at 400%.

Guess which one I am?And guess which one doesn't work and walks around with his timecard inhand allday?

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Steven R in Orange, Virginia

74 months ago

You guys need to leave the dealerships, I have and I have been alot happier. Since visiting this forum, I have found that it is the dealerships giving the most problems based on other techs comments going back and forth. The best job I ever had as a tech was not at the dealer, but a little tire and battery store. We did everyhting from a simple oil change to head work, as well as the maintenance and of course tires and alignments. To support some of the claims found on here, I was paid 1.3 hours to replace a head light bulb on a brand new Mazda. The reason for this is because you had to remove the bumper to get the damn thing out. I have some how become the cooling system diagnosis and repair and bumper removal and light bulb installation guy. Since being at my new place of employment, I have had to bleed cooling systems that the two other techs worked on previously because of air locks, and if a job is going to take to much time, then I am the one that usually gets it, because the other two techs want quick easy repairs. Yes its true that you can flush your way to 60 hour pay weeks, but how boring is that to constantly do the same thing that most other techs are more then capable of doing.

Personally I have always enjoyed a mix of work. I mean yes gravy jobs pay the bills, but I like to be able to curse and throw tools every once in awhile as well.(Just Kidding.) Well my fellow technicians, I am signing off for now, remember that a new year is just around the corner, A new opportunity to make difference. Happy Holidays

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dexcool in Sarasota, Florida

74 months ago

i work for a gm dealer and reading these posts here is like a replay of my thoughts everyday.I get srcewed as we all do,my theme for 2010 is to get stupid and work as a b or c tech since thats where the gravy is or i could do heavy line work and make less.you know its bad when guys with no tools no certs no brains make more than lead techs .they must have onething is hot lips on managers cock drink up flush queens and go f off bring some chap stick

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dennismajeski in Pompano Beach, Florida

74 months ago

I know what all of you guys are talking about. I am working at an independent garage which has a lot of business. The only problem is since im the newest tech(been there for 3 years) I get all of the crap work. Just 5 weeks ago I took a week off of work to be in the hospital with my wife while my first daughter was born. When i got back they told me i did not deserve vacation pay because they have some ridiculous policy (you have to work there for 1 year to earn 1 vacation day)(ie for every year you work there you get 1 day off. i have never heard of that in my life. I am at $24/hr commission. In the last 2 weeks i have made $400 collectively and this is with a shop that is always busy like i said earlier. I get stuck with all of the ford 6.0 turbo diesel jobs that come in which stinks and the alldata labor times stink for that truck. The bosses main man gets all of the cake work like brake jobs and tires and alignments while im stuck with all of the motor tear downs and stuff like that. I know its work but its not very profitable especially when i try to do the job right and not take shortcuts. another thing that pisses me off is that i spent 1000's of dollars in schooling to get certified because my boss said they would raise my pay and that never happened.

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dennismajeski in Pompano Beach, Florida

74 months ago

I remember 1 day a customer gave me a $30 tip via credit card and i never saw a penny of that because my boss is that cheap. just today i was getting bitched at because i was not getting stuff done fast enough(but if he would have looked at the books he would have realized that there was no way i could keep with the other side of the shop because i was not doing cake brake jobs or alignments all week. I was tearing down diesel engines and doing timing belts and water pumps. i just did a job that pays $801 in labor and i will only make $216. wtf is that? how do i feed and clothe a newborn pay the rent and all the other bills by myself on a pay like that. its impossible. I feel like a total loser who cant support his family although i work 40-50 hours a week doing physical labor. I would not reccomend this job to anyone

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Anonymous! in Cary, North Carolina

74 months ago

I graduated High School in NY. I went through the GM ASEP program and learned a lot about computer diagnostics. I knew a good deal about automobiles prior to gm school through my father, and from my racing career. I graduated ASEP at the top of my class getting a fancy plack from GM and some money for snap on tools. I started working in a dealership run by a drug addict, and spent 6 years there fixing water leaks and windnoises, and during free time from there free multi-point inspections and qucik oil changes. i left there with a 4.0csi and was recruited by a high name dealership in NC. I was told it was amazing...the best pay, best tech's, and perks! I am here 2 years later....40k i debt from tools and traveling expenses from hybrid training....i maek 10-20 hours a week, i have a 4.0 csi and i work on 3 page warranty repair orders while the boss' boys and the young pricks service vehicles and come up with $100,000 a year while i had to forclose my new home and sell most of my possessions in order to rent and apartment. My wife is a teacher and i am a GM World Class technician, and the 2 of us make 60k a year. Screw GM and flat rate pay. All of the perfect stories they feed you never happen. I am 28 years old and i will never be able to have a normal life because of GM. thank you detroit!

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Anonymous! in Cary, North Carolina

74 months ago

ponchodoc in Mount Prospect, Illinois said: Aint it a wonderfull life at GM.Was talking to tech assist(electrical) and had to hold for about 15-20 minutes. I asked if the boys were busy and he really vented a little...seems GM is neck deep in electrical intermittents,and look at all the bulletins for Gods sake! Micro-fretting,where resistances in the milli-ohms causes problems! There is LOTS of turnover/job burnout in that area too, oh bye the way GM states we dont have equipment that is that sensitive to diag these problems,the fix....disconnect and reconnect all the computers on that side of the LAN.FIX IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME (they sure cant build it right first)

I have a 2008 H2 in 1,000,000 pieces in my bay right now. im trying to watch the hockey game right now and i cant think straight because i cannot figured out the "SQUEAK" noise in the dashboard. 12,000 miles and the vehicle may be bought back, because i have it 11 days now. 8 hours a day....11 days.....over 80 hours.....do you think i will be paid correctly for the time i spent. TAC assisit is no help...telling me it is a problem with the trans fluid pump!!!!!!. before this job was a 2--7 cadillac ext with a HVAC problem...when commanded hot, the hvac blows cold....when commanded cold the hvac goes hot. MY HVAC head was calibrated with the most current software write....3 days later, and calls to avm, techline, tac assisit, and specmo....it was found the HVAC calibration on tis2web is incorrect.....a VCI (special) calibration was needed for it. Nothing i missed diagnosed....just gm messin with the small guy again.......i will most likely die at a early 35 years old on a heart attack.

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dennismajeski in Pompano Beach, Florida

74 months ago

wow i just calculated my earnings for the year and the results are staggering. I work 50hrs/a week although i dont get paid for that much. i made $21,000 this year on flat rate. if you do the math it comes out to something like 80 cents an hour. how pathetic i just realized just now how bad it really is. who works for 80 cents an hour? not me anymore

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Anonymous! in Cary, North Carolina

74 months ago

Yea well my hurricanes just won......12 wins now this year LOL. The squeak is being generated somewhere within the bulkhead body paneling....there are about 3 to 4 plies of metal there bonded by crap spot welds. the chassis ears have gotten me there...now it is just getting foam down there to deaden it. the console in the hummers are a lot easier then the K trucks your probably know of. everything on a hummer is 7mm trim screws and retainers....not too bad it is just the nightmare of getting it all back together, without pinching a harness or creating another squeak. im in the process of locating a fleet mechanic job for the police department of the raleigh city. we will see how it works out. anyway lots of luck to you!

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whydowestay in Charleston, Illinois

74 months ago

Wow I have read several of these comments and I think I can relate to most of them. I feel for you on the squeak in NC...I have been a gm tech for around 14 years and it sounds like it is about the same in every shop...The more you know the less you get paid...If I could get out of this business I would be gone in a heart beat...I make less every year and feel as though I work harder...As far as the electrical crap that they are putting on these cars now just think when they get 10 years old nothing will work on them...

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fishonjon in Anchorage, Alaska

74 months ago

ponchodoc in Mount Prospect, Illinois said: Aint it a wonderfull life at GM.Was talking to tech assist(electrical) and had to hold for about 15-20 minutes. I asked if the boys were busy and he really vented a little...seems GM is neck deep in electrical intermittents,and look at all the bulletins for Gods sake! Micro-fretting,where resistances in the milli-ohms causes problems! There is LOTS of turnover/job burnout in that area too, oh bye the way GM states we dont have equipment that is that sensitive to diag these problems,the fix....disconnect and reconnect all the computers on that side of the LAN.FIX IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME (they sure cant build it right first)

Yeah for .3 hrs too

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whydowestay in Charleston, Illinois

74 months ago

yes .3 hrs...and to make it on that you would have to work on 28 vehicles a day...they didn't get their name Generous Motors overnight...

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K.L. in Brandon, Florida

74 months ago

Dennis Majeski in Pompano Beach, Florida said: wow i just calculated my earnings for the year and the results are staggering. I work 50hrs/a week although i dont get paid for that much. i made $21,000 this year on flat rate. if you do the math it comes out to something like 80 cents an hour. how pathetic i just realized just now how bad it really is. who works for 80 cents an hour? not me anymore

It's a little more than 80 cents an hour I also work in this crappy state of Florida with rite to work labor laws. You just worked all last year for minimum wages - aprox 7.37 + 10 hours overtime (50 hours) will put you right about 21,000 for the year. Do yourself a favor and quit and work at a freakin 7 11 or walmart or something for that kind of money why buy tools and deal with the b.s. Anyone who just stays and takes it on the chin dealing with conditions where you are loosing money on a weekly basis is just crazy. Step away do something else. I left it over a year ago, 17 years wasted -so what - im much happier

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dave in Bristol, Connecticut

74 months ago

I hope all you shop owners and dealership managers are reading some of these post the theory of getting young blood and relying solely on them is going to eventually hang you , you need to keep the knowledgeable workers and you need to pay them something besides peanuts

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steve in Orange, Virginia

74 months ago

When my wife graduated college, we moved the hell out of Florida. That state sucks, no matter what profession your in. I do decent in Virginia, but I live some what closeto DC and most but not all of our customersa seem to have some money. What helps us out to, is that we do Vehicle safety inspections. Florida is horrible, I have family that lives in Ocala, and with a 13.5 percent unemployment rate, theres no way you could mnake it there as a tech. Anyways my fellow techncians, hang in there.

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hangarrat in Saint Louis, Missouri

74 months ago

I recently went on an interview and it seemed as though the small time shops do not care about how many ASE certs. you have they didn't want to pay any more than peanuts $8-$10/hr. without commission and even then they treat you like you don't know anything about what you spend years in training and a bunch of money for schooling,

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ian in Mckeesport, Pennsylvania

74 months ago

hahaha i went to school for two years have a state and emissions licence and for the longest time could not find a job. i have had one for about 5 months and make no money what so ever i work 60 plus hours a week and still know very little no one cares to show us new techs anything but expect me to lie and cheat in every way possible i am now in thousands of dollars in debt with school and snapon and hate almost anything to do with cars all i want to know is, is there any techs who are honist and want to teach us young bucks or should i jus give up all together

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BK in Chagrin Falls, Ohio

74 months ago

I was always more than happy to help out another tech whenever I could, hell that's how I learned the trade back in the 80's. But at the time I was always paid less than the senior techs and had to do more of the garbage, warranty work until I learned the trade. I just assumed that was done at all shops and it seemed fair to me to not make as much as someone who had been at it for 25 years or more.But for the last 10 years or so(before I got fed up and left the trade) I was helping out kids that didn't have a clue about how to fix things, didn't want to expend the energy to learn, thought that they were owed a huge paycheck because they were going to school and showed up for work, and they wanted the gravy jobs on top of it all. I had one 27 year old "tech" that worked across from me that made almost TWICE my yearly income and you guessed it, all he did was wallet flushes and slept in customer vehicles while I was trying to figure out traction control anomalies with tech assist.
It wasn't very long before I stopped helping him on jobs by just saying "Gee I don't know" or "go ask John" or whatever. Granted he was an opportunistic jerk, and not all apprentice techs are like that, but even the good kids that I helped just took up too much of my time that the shop did not pay me for.I didn't get the gravy jobs that the mentors who helped me did, heck I didn't even get a thank-you from any shop for training their technicians for them! All I can say is that if you're looking for some guidance/assistance when starting in this field don't expect to much from the senior techs. It's not that their out to get you but probably more like their tired and worn out from being exploited more and more each year and don't have the patience to take on a newbies problems.I would seriously look to another trade at this time because of the abundance of techs out there( I didn't say good techs)and the precariousness of this business. It's just way too unstable right now to make plans.

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BK in Chagrin Falls, Ohio

74 months ago

ponchodoc in Mount Prospect, Illinois said: give up altogether.now.not later,now.

That's what I was trying to say but it came out wrong.....LOL
Thanks ponchodoc!

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shywolf88 in Union City, Tennessee

73 months ago

Is it really that horrible? I'm about to get out of high school, go to a tech school and later i suppose be an auto technician. So I hear its not such a good idea.....Why?

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hangarrat in raytown, Missouri

73 months ago

shywolf88 in Union City, Tennessee said: Is it really that horrible? I'm about to get out of high school, go to a tech school and later i suppose be an auto technician. So I hear its not such a good idea.....Why?

I say unless you have a 4 year engineering degree in automotive and about 20 years experience and you are willing to basically kiss the managements ass don't get into automotive go to college and get an engineering degree instead and good luck.

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Honda tech in Savannah, Georgia

73 months ago

shywolf88 in Union City, Tennessee said: Is it really that horrible? I'm about to get out of high school, go to a tech school and later i suppose be an auto technician. So I hear its not such a good idea.....Why?

When u work for a Honda dealer, 3 or 6 months after u started u get sent to the Honda training center to get factory training. That's the way it was..... Now u have to be in that dealer for no less than 3 years to go to the training center. They did this because they send John doe to the center and a year later John was doing something else like Hvac or whatever. This is not done by the dealer is done by Honda, started like 2 months ago. That's how fast the people that get in this businnes get out.

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BK in Chagrin Falls, Ohio

73 months ago

shywolf88 in Union City, Tennessee said: Is it really that horrible? I'm about to get out of high school, go to a tech school and later i suppose be an auto technician. So I hear its not such a good idea.....Why?

C'mon people what don't you understand here? The comments posted in this forum are actually what's going on in the country NOW. If you don't believe what's written here then go to different shops and just ask the technicians how they like the field they're in.Just be honest with them and most will be honest with you. The more you investigate the better the picture will be of the state of things and what you can expect. A little effort now will save you a LOT of grief later, no one will call the cops because you're asking questions so just spend a small amount of time and do it. And use some common sense, if some trade school/counselor/future employer is telling you how great being a tech.is then they're probably getting paid somewhere down the line to get you into the field or they haven't looked into the area recently and don't know what they're talking about. Good luck with your future, you can thank me later.....

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Honda tech in Savannah, Georgia

73 months ago

I been a tech for about 20 years. In the last 6 months i been looking for something else, i make $ 22 bucks and hour but I make 25 to 30 hours a week( that I get paid), u do the math. I am at work for about 50 hours a week, sometimes 6 days a week (Thats 60 hours), Add all that plus the snap-on , matco , sears and all the other tools u have to buy. I have to deal every day with all the different challenges like when I ask ; Hey u didn't pay me on this RO ( repair order) and they go like; aahhh well that was a free inspection u see we are running a special that's going to generete a lot of work u just gotta upsale more (wallet flush) and thats how u make up for.. And the more u know the more u loose and less u make. And this is just a little taste, here in this site u can find out more from other good techs. And if u need more info u can probably go to a local dealer were u live and find out. Also websites like angrymechanics.com and flatrate.com have lots of info too.

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Union in Belvedere Tiburon, California

73 months ago

This is what we all have to do if we want to make a living as Automotive Technicians.

www.goiam.org/index.php/territories/western/2008-archive/2317-strike-ends-at-california-auto-dealership

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Steven in Orange, Virginia

73 months ago

Damn

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Honda tech in Savannah, Georgia

73 months ago

That sounds good!

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