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Russ Downs in Crystal River, Florida

81 months ago

I have been operating equipment since the early 90s. Last November I decided to get my crane cert. I attended the Georgia School of Construction to prep me for the exams (job placement sucks). I scored 100% on the practical, and 90% plus on the core and large hydraulic. I recieved my NCCO and NCCER cards and I might as well use them to cut up bananas. Emloyers are looking for yrs of experience not plastic. I have been building sub stations for wind farm projects from Texas to Illinois to PA and have yet sat in a Hydraulic crane. I am a Operator for the IBEW and my pay ranged from $17.64 hr to $39 hr plus benefits and per diem. What I am getting at is if you plan on going out and getting your certs without crane experience and landing the job right away, you are up for a dissapointment. I have seen operators that could butter toast with the hook and then there are the ones that its a miracle they negotiated the walk to the crane. I have seen so many unsafe acts in regards to cranes in the last yr, its unreal. I left $34 an hr in Illinois because management would not prevent unsafe lifts. When the safety director left the site it was lets get this done anyway thats possible. Everything can be done safely, its engineered in.

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frank in Rochester, Minnesota

80 months ago

world of difference between certified and qualified. Minnesota made cert. mandatory and we have alot of book smart operators that seem to lack that all important hands on exp.

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The Operator in Atlanta, Georgia

80 months ago

It's a little baffling to me that there are so many other operators out there complaing about the NCCCO and using it as an escape goat for not being able to find work when the economy, high maintenance operators, alchahol problems, sleep habits or other random things are what usually keeps people from finding work, Lets hava little self check here the CCO is just a test proving that YOU the operator has met a minimum standards test showing that you can read retain and operate a selected piece of equipment to the lowest standards set forth thus far.
The only reason operators are required to have a cco card as of 1996 is to keep our contractors insurance cariers happy to the fact that the operators of one of the largest potentially most dangerous piece of equipment on site has some kind of training.
I have operated cranes from 8.5t-600t crawlers including tower cranes of various sizes, Just for a little background on myself

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tompkins in Cabot, Arkansas

80 months ago

As the PreMadonna has said - NCCO is to show that your are qualified to run the equipment you get into , but as the news has shown there is more accidents since anyone can walk into the office an get a NCCO card regardless of seat time , rigging knowledge , or site experience . It has been shown that Money talks and Experience walks . It's sad that the rest of Corp. World would put a Book worm in the seat then someone with 15+ yrs seat time ( total yrs 29 ) construction experience .

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frank in Claremont, Minnesota

80 months ago

Just for the record I don't drink,I sleep very well and I was smart enough to save my money so the economy has not been as hard on me as some. Started in the trades as a laborer in 1971 and in 1978 I joined the operators union and spent 2 years oiling for one of the best crane operators in the area. Have been running cranes ever since from 15t to 400t rts, crawlers and truck cranes also towers Pecco,Wolff and Liebherr. Just got my pension statement and it says I have worked 61000 hrs sence my init, just a little backround on myself. What was meant by my statement yesterday was the cco is a fine thing and after you do your class work it should also be mandatory to work as an app. for 2000 hours before you really get to carry that certification or have documented previous experience. by the way I have never had a problem finding a job. Everybody goes home every day.

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The Operator in Atlanta, Georgia

79 months ago

I'm not emphasizeing that any of you do or do not fall into the class of persons I have listed above, But lets keep on point here with the going topic, I will not defend any comment previous except to say that if your definition of an inteligent response is to call names, cast aspersions or make childish accusation then there is no need for myself to even read this forum.
Forward; As I want to believe that this is a sight for good reliable crane operators to share information I'll continue by say that it seems all of the corporate industries are scaling back training and calling it streamlining and after seeing the caliber of operators flooding into all markets in the last three years it shows that cco cards are only to profesional training where we use to have unions to perform the same task, But with our local union and non-union outfits it seems that even the aprenticeship programs are lacking in quality of operator ability, I do not disagree with the fact stated above that a college trained construction student would generaly be hired over a career operator not always due to ability but due to the sheer fact that college is like a private club and college graduates will always hire a club member before myself not just because of the cco card but because they can relate to another college kid...

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Bubba in Orlando, Florida

79 months ago

I agree with the 2000 hours seat time b4 you cert. our apprentices can NOT test for CCO until their FOURTH year in the apprenticeship. I STRONGLY DISAGREE with these "colleges" SELLING CCO licenses.

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tompkins in Cabot, Arkansas

79 months ago

I agree with you . Time and experience is strongly needed for this craft . Other people have differant plans - an Crane Operators will become a thing of the past . (True Operators). It's sad that they have more than qualified Operators sitting at home not working because they don't have the time or money to take the NCCO test . An there are alot of Companies that will only except certain schools . Which is good in a way . But it is still wrong in many ways . Why don't companies give their operators an option , take the test we will pay you work for us kind of thing . They know they have the experience , they know their work ... Does it make more sense ? Option to pay back , etc . It's just truely screwed up .

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Bubba in Orlando, Florida

79 months ago

Bubba in Orlando, Florida said: i cant believe that they are paying RIDICULOUS money for these cards! i payed 165.00/185.00 or so for the written, and 80.00 for all three practicals. i seen on here they post paying anywhere from 5k to 10k!!!! and they cant use it for squat because they dont know how.

and my company reimbursed me upon completion of the tests. so really, mine was free. :)

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Russ in Tampa, Florida

79 months ago

165.00/185.00 or so for the written,80.00 for all three practicals. Bubby can manage his money a little better than some obviously. You guys still are not getting that our cco is not taking your job. No company is taking just cco's to be A CRANE OPERATOR. They may pick someone up to climb the ladder but not as a operator. Seasoned operators are setting home either because of no work in their area and their not wanting to travel or no one wants you. I read in a previous post incinuating recent crane accidents are due to the new cco's. I will research this because I don't believe it, no one is letting anyone with no seat time in those cranes. And as far as being the best there is, because that is how you guys put yourself out there, you should have enough money to pay for the exam. We paid for the class to give us the basic knowledge so we know what the hell is going on. Let me ask you guys this, how many of you guys have performed an unsafe act. I want you to think about this. I have been in the wind farm projects as and equipment operator and I'll tell ya, a lot of cranes and the operators are old timers.

example: Operator was lifting a sail (it has the actual generator in it )100,000lbs + depending on model. A night lift, 28mph winds on top of tower. During the pick the load would fall back 3-4 ft and then stop. This happened several times until the load was set. Come to find out the line was overlapped on the spool.

example: Same situation, at night, lifting sail but too windy to align sail to tower so they put a person in the sail to better align the holes.

example: Recently at nuke in Crystal River. Operator was in 3rd gear with a RT and ended up 100ft off the road in the mud stuck.

I can go on and on. If you haven't seen this kind of stuff, don't preach because its out there. I have seen some of these so called operator engineers operate cranes and I'll tell ya Don't become a surgeon.

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frank in Rochester, Minnesota

79 months ago

you have a valid point. This stuff goes on a lot more than it should and will continue as long as companies have a policy that is safty first unless it cost money or takes time. That is why I was all for the cco test in the begining thought it might stop some of it but has not really had that effect.

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Russ in Tampa, Florida

79 months ago

The ONLY thing that trumps safety is MONEY. I know jobs are tight and people don't want to stir the soup so when a safety issue arises they back into the shadows and don't say a thing or will go along with the plan and not realize that is more than a 50/50 chance of succuss or failure. I stand up, I speak, I ask questions and if not happy with the answer I keep asking. I have a 100% accident free history. I still have my fingers, toes and most important, everybody goes home, I refuse to accept less. More people should feel the same, ( speaking of managment ). In this Industry, we get paid what we are worth, and no more to be unsafe. Whether you are a union member, a life long operator or a newbe, SAFETY IS SAFETY. I am sure most of you in this forum are safety conscience and are great at what you do, the reason I say that is because your on this forum, not afraid to stand up and discuss things. It is good to hear because it shows a interest not just a job.

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frank in Rochester, Minnesota

79 months ago

what you describe is the dfference between an operator and a lever puller. I can teach a monkey to pull a lever that don't make him an operator. operators have to be a different breed we have to care more about the people we work with than they care themself. We go home at night and think of whats coming the next day and what we need to do to make sure everyone goes home, no good operator locks his crane at night and forgets the job till the next day

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tompkins in Cabot, Arkansas

79 months ago

I've been in Construction for 29 yrs . I've always been requested for the jobs . I travel everywhere . Bought a home that I spent maybe 2 months a yrs at . Work is slow right now , nobody really paying anything . Everyone looking for local operators to save paying per diem . NO mishaps , close calls , everyone I work with goes home every night . I stand up for wrong doings , unsafe acts . Any true operator would , it's your butt on the line .
As I said before , I'm for the NCCO in a way - but just as must against it as for it . Alot of things they need to work out before I will truely be for it .

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jkmjstone@yahoo.com in Waterloo, Iowa

79 months ago

Bubba in Orlando, Florida said: when you go to a "school" or "college of construction" and get an nccco license, then yes, its just a damn piece of plastic. how in the hell can you call yourself a Certified Crane Operator when you have 0 hours experience in the seat. In my opinion, you should have a minimum of 4000 hrs seat time before they let you in the door to take the exam! Buying a license was not what the program was intended to do, but thanks to these so called "schools", that's what it has become. Forget critical lifts, I'd just like to see these "college grads" with their cco cards hang some iron, or even pour concrete.

I went to OKCC and i swing steal,core decking,concrete bucket and other various items on a daily basis. I just got done setting 55 ft beams(which I'm sure there are beams out there that makes that look like a grain of sand, but that is beside the point). So yes some of us that do go to the school are not total failures. But I do agree with you because some of the guys that were in class with me couldn't even get the ball in the barrel.

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Samuelzman@yahoo.com in Kansas City, Missouri

79 months ago

I've had my cco for both hydros and both lattice cranes for about 7 yrs. It has helped me, but superintendents think you should know it all. I DON'T know it all and I am learning more every day. I work for a crane rental company and my biggest concern is that everyone goes home at the end of the day. Never has anyone complained about the work I do (not tooting my own horn) but I think that is because I take my job very seriously. Work has gotten slow here so I've started looking for work elsewhere.

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loadlifter in Oswego, Illinois

79 months ago

Yes it's a piece of plastic that if you want to look at a crane you will need really soon,I have been operating drywall booms of all shapes and sizes for 15 years and soon even those will require the card ,I got mine so I can stop stocking rock and climb into a toasty cab and use my skills as an operator instead of also stocking rock ,steel you name it by hand I guess the only way to do that where I live is to join 150 which I have no problem with that just have to start out at the bottom again because the 62'articulating remote I operate does not have a wire rope at the end and 15 years in the mud setting up my boom on all types of treacherous terrain but none of what I learned on the job or at occ means squat? I have dropped 5 lifts in 15 years and for something that only balance and gravity and skill are keeping on the forks and the amount of lifts I have made ,well anyone who knows the trade wil tell you 'taint bad I just hope to get into an rt or something they pay the same here and give my bones a well deserved break I'm closing in on 40 and the drywal has been rough on the body.the controls on a grove or link belt are close to an IMT the only diffrence is the rope but once I got the feathering down I was ok.

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999crane

78 months ago

Any new or up coming jobs anywhere? Yes I have my NCCCO for 2years for LBT,LBC,TLL and 9years Exp in cralwers and hydros and a safe record and will go thruout the midwest to work but still can't find a job. I agree the CCO could take it a bit further and add the 2000hrs or something even crane inspection every crane I've got in to has had some mechanical issues some major some miner but should have been cought by the last operator but they just wanted to pull levers or they think they should run it till the wheels fall off instead of maintaining it before it stop you from working!! Sorry way off the subject

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haulbot1@yahoo.com in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin

78 months ago

Finaly got a job because I have my card it took a little paitence and persavernce to get someone to take a chance on me. They are very happy with my skills and have given me brand new crane.

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russ in Abilene, Texas

78 months ago

great to hear about your opportunity. Good luck on your future.
Russ

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haulbot1@yahoo.com in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin

78 months ago

Thank You!!!

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Dee in Kissimmee, Florida

77 months ago

Osha has propsed a rule which would require certifation. It was proposed 10/9/08. It would not become effective until four years after the final rule is pulished. The are currently in the process of
receiving public input on the proposal. Please give them your imput.
There adress is U.S. Department of Labor
OSHA-DOC-OCSG
200 Constitution Avenute N.W.
Washington, D.C
Thank you
Dee

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hiswifey in Lakeland, Florida

76 months ago

my husband is an operator for a large co. and cant catch a break to save his skin work has all but dried up he used to set 3-4 jobs a day and this week he has done 1 does anyone have any prospects or ideas we are sinking fast we've gone through all but 500 dollars of our saving and its just not getting better for christs sakes he has been doing forclosure cleanups on the side just to keep food on the table and mechanic work is paying the bills and its getting to the point now that he is running out of banked hours and the union sent us a letter that our benefits are fixing to be cut, not good with a 6 month old in the house.

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rudepuppy in Miami, Florida

76 months ago

lets just face it it's real slow right now, a 1000 operators are lookin for the same job every time one is posted on the internet! i'm all for the nccco cert. hell you need a licence to drive a car!why not a 1,000000 dollor machine if not more! yes the system has some bugs, but what did we have before,nothing only word of mouth, the nccco is only for the companies! the companies require it, thats why i got mine, hell it aint even law yet here in florida, but i have mine fully certified,20+ years exp. and only have had it for 2 years. again lets get to the point which is its real slow and we should be helping each other finding jobs instead of name calling and so forth, geese, guy's are we men here? or what!hardly anybodies hiring right now, blattner ain't hiring just came off a windmill job in texas with them, they slowed down to a crawl, zachry ain't hiring either. guys new and old keep seaching and keep the faith

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Joey in Houston, Texas

76 months ago

Russ Downs in Crystal River, Florida said: I have been operating equipment since the early 90s. Last November I decided to get my crane cert. I attended the Georgia School of Construction to prep me for the exams (job placement sucks). I scored 100% on the practical, and 90% plus on the core and large hydraulic. I recieved my NCCO and NCCER cards and I might as well use them to cut up bananas. Emloyers are looking for yrs of experience not plastic. I have been building sub stations for wind farm projects from Texas to Illinois to PA and have yet sat in a Hydraulic crane. I am a Operator for the IBEW and my pay ranged from $17.64 hr to $39 hr plus benefits and per diem. What I am getting at is if you plan on going out and getting your certs without crane experience and landing the job right away, you are up for a dissapointment. I have seen operators that could butter toast with the hook and then there are the ones that its a miracle they negotiated the walk to the crane. I have seen so many unsafe acts in regards to cranes in the last yr, its unreal. I left $34 an hr in Illinois because management would not prevent unsafe lifts. When the safety director left the site it was lets get this done anyway thats possible. Everything can be done safely, its engineered in.

ANYONE CAN RUN A CRANE BUT NOT EVERYONE CAN OPERATE A RIG. I HAVE BEEN ON RIGS SINCE I WAS 17 AND IM 21 NOW, I CAN PICK YOUR HARD HAT OFF OF YOUR HEAD WITH A FRICTION RIG OR WITH A HYDRO. CRANE OPERATIN IS SOMETHING YOU GOTTA HAVE A KNACK FOR, YOU CANT JUST UP AND DECIDE ONE DAY,"OH IMA BE A CRANE OPERATOR". THATS RIDICULOUS. NCCO AND NCCER ARE DAMN GOOD LICENSES BECAUSE COME DECEMBER IF U DONT HAVEM YOUR SCREWED OUT OF YOUR OCCUPATION. ANYWAYS IM LOOKING FOR 2 EXPERIENCED RIGGERS FROM THE HOUSTON AREA, CALL ME IF UR INTERESTED. WILL BE RIGGING FOR MY 800 TON HYDRAULIC LATTICE, GUTTING AN OLD PIPE MILL OF 50 TON PRESSES. PLENTY OF WORK, CAALL ME 8.3.2.-6.6.5.-3.7.6.0.

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HOLLYWOOD (Joey) in Houston, Texas

76 months ago

Need Experienced Riggers asap, call 8.3.2-6.6.5-3.7.6.0
Massive lifts invloved heavy rigging must be fit to work.

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rich r in Woolford, Maryland

76 months ago

hiswifey in Lakeland, Florida said: my husband is an operator for a large co. and cant catch a break to save his skin work has all but dried up he used to set 3-4 jobs a day and this week he has done 1 does anyone have any prospects or ideas we are sinking fast we've gone through all but 500 dollars of our saving and its just not getting better for christs sakes he has been doing forclosure cleanups on the side just to keep food on the table and mechanic work is paying the bills and its getting to the point now that he is running out of banked hours and the union sent us a letter that our benefits are fixing to be cut, not good with a 6 month old in the f florihouse.
look outside of florida, florida sucks pay sucks benefits sucks. i used to live in winter haven. move

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rich r in Woolford, Maryland

76 months ago

if you want anything desent get out of florida. I just quit a job and pick wich one i want next. florida wages suck

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rich r in Woolford, Maryland

76 months ago

Russ Downs in Crystal River, Florida said: I have been operating equipment since the early 90s. Last November I decided to get my crane cert. I attended the Georgia School of Construction to prep me for the exams (job placement sucks). I scored 100% on the practical, and 90% plus on the core and large hydraulic. I recieved my NCCO and NCCER cards and I might as well use them to cut up bananas. Emloyers are looking for yrs of experience not plastic. I have been building sub stations for wind farm projects from Texas to Illinois to PA and have yet sat in a Hydraulic crane. I am a Operator for the IBEW and my pay ranged from $17.64 hr to $39 hr plus benefits and per diem. What I am getting at is if you plan on going out and getting your certs without crane experience and landing the job right away, you are up for a dissapointment. I have seen operators that could butter toast with the hook and then there are the ones that its a miracle they negotiated the walk to the crane. I have seen so many unsafe acts in regards to cranes in the last yr, its unreal. I left $34 an hr in Illinois because management would not prevent unsafe lifts. When the safety director left the site it was lets get this done anyway thats possible. Everything can be done safely, its engineered in.

what because you got a certification your a crane operator now try starting out as an oiler like alot of had to do, crane certs don;t crap.you are the operator grow a set of balls and stand up for yourself don't be dictated by management.

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drawls@alaska.net in Homer, Alaska

75 months ago

rudepuppy in Miami, Florida said: lets just face it it's real slow right now, a 1000 operators are lookin for the same job every time one is posted on the internet! i'm all for the nccco cert. hell you need a licence to drive a car!why not a 1,000000 dollor machine if not more! yes the system has some bugs, but what did we have before,nothing only word of mouth, the nccco is only for the companies! the companies require it, thats why i got mine, hell it aint even law yet here in florida, but i have mine fully certified,20+ years exp. and only have had it for 2 years. again lets get to the point which is its real slow and we should be helping each other finding jobs instead of name calling and so forth, geese, guy's are we men here? or what!hardly anybodies hiring right now, blattner ain't hiring just came off a windmill job in texas with them, they slowed down to a crawl, zachry ain't hiring either. guys new and old keep seaching and keep the faith

Looking for an NCCCO certified operator to work in Alaska. Please email.

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Tompkins in Taylor, Arkansas

75 months ago

Things are still really slow , I wish everyone the best with keeping the faith in finding a job soon ! Hopefully it will pick up soon - and everyone can return to normal . Best of Luck Everyone .

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Zack in Lakeland, Florida

75 months ago

IM trying to get into the trade and heard that i need my Class A CDL before i could apply for my apprenticeship is this true? Thanks i appreciate the good advice on here.

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Tompkins in Cabot, Arkansas

75 months ago

Yes Sir , you need your Class A CDL - you may have to drive a truck or if you operate a motor crane . Most companies look for a multi operator , one that can rig or drive truck . Good Luck .

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Robert in Metairie, Louisiana

74 months ago

Well hello brothers of the hook , I had to work my way up I started out as an Ironworker then went into rigging than I started operating rigs. I wasnt no fancy pants bookworm that went to ABC classes and then went and passed ncco and then got a job and sit in a rig and talk the talk and didnt know jack. I believe its the years of experience also i've seen a couple of these kind. One of them ABC'd his way in the plant and two blocked his rig while scopeing out the boom. Meanwhile he is still giving full throttle (lol)and snapping the cable and mucked up on his first job assignment and they xyzeed his ass out (lol) in murphy oil after katrina when i was workin for turner. I belive anyone can read but if they aint got the touch and so many years experience someones gonna get hurt. Plus you have to know about rigging before you sit in a seat. Also after your ncco expires after the 4 yrs. why should you have to pay to update your card out of your own pocket when you already have it. THIS NCCO and Nceer IS ESSENTUALLY a money Scheme ,also I have seen some good o'l operators hang up their hats due to these courses. Its just like the TWIC card. One day they are gonna have to make blue jeans with bigger back pockets just so we can carry larger billfolds to carry all this crap.

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Robert in Metairie, Louisiana

74 months ago

haulbot1@yahoo.com in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin said: I have operated drywall booms for 14 yrs up to 74' remotes.Try picking up steel studs in a snow storm with a remote from the 7th floor those studs are just balanced there not rigged in so they can't drop. Now thats art that I don't think many people can' do. But when the construction buisness dried up around the midwest I lost my job so last summer I went and got my card at that school in OKC so I can use my skills on other typs of work.I have sent my resume out to about 75 companies not even a call back.When I talk to someone on the phone that I contact the say where is your crane exp.So I think it is a useless peice of plastic that cost $8500 Plus expenses about a xtra $1000.

YEA, I COMPLETELY AGREE ON THE EXPERIENCE THATS IN THE RESUME TO THE EMPLOYERS THOSE CARDS DONT MEAN DUDELY SQUAT. ROBERT

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buddy in Denton, Texas

74 months ago

Bubba in Orlando, Florida said: when you go to a "school" or "college of construction" and get an nccco license, then yes, its just a damn piece of plastic. how in the hell can you call yourself a Certified Crane Operator when you have 0 hours experience in the seat. In my opinion, you should have a minimum of 4000 hrs seat time before they let you in the door to take the exam! Buying a license was not what the program was intended to do, but thanks to these so called "schools", that's what it has become. Forget critical lifts, I'd just like to see these "college grads" with their cco cards hang some iron, or even pour concrete.

They will quit the first day if they have to clam--none of them can handle water work!!!

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drawls@alaska.net in Homer, Alaska

74 months ago

buddy in Denton, Texas said: They will quit the first day if they have to clam--none of them can handle water work!!!

Supposedly a crane operator should have 5000 hours of seat time to become certified as an NCCCO crane operator. These other 2 certs., NCCO & NCCER, I am not really familiar with them. I think mostly that they are just another name for the crane certification, just another company trying to cash in on these money making schemes. I am not a crane operator, just a crane business owner trying to make it, BUT I can watch a crane operator for 10 minutes and tell you whether or not he knows what he is doing. The same goes for a person that wants to be a crane operator, like someone stated it is an art. If you don't have some mechanical instinct, good motor skills and depth perception, you may make a half***, excuse my language, operator, but a person won't make a truly good operator. My hat goes off to you crane operators. It is a skill that I wish that I had persued when I was younger, even when I started in construction. But as a female, it was kind of hard for a woman to break into crane operations when I was younger. We were still under the perception that crane operating was a man's territory.
The State of Alaska has a bill in the senate now to require a cert. from the state to operate a crane, but it is useless because it is just another tax for the state, a source of income. Because in order to get this cert. you have to have an NCCCO or an equivalent cert. And this bill allows the State workers to operate a crane without any other certification, or probably whether they are truly crane operators or not. You notice how the government, whether local of national, has a way of paving the way for the government workers to be able to, in this case operate cranes without the training or experience, AND CHARGE US AS BUSINESS OWNERS AND WORKERS AN ADDITIONAL TAX TO ALLOW THESE GOVERNMENT WORKERS TO SLIDE BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Robert in New Orleans, Louisiana

74 months ago

drawls@alaska.net in Homer, Alaska said: Supposedly a crane operator should have 5000 hours of seat time to become certified as an NCCCO crane operator. These other 2 certs., NCCO & NCCER, I am not really familiar with them. I think mostly that they are just another name for the crane certification, just another company trying to cash in on these money making schemes. I am not a crane operator, just a crane business owner trying to make it, BUT I can watch a crane operator for 10 minutes and tell you whether or not he knows what he is doing. The same goes for a person that wants to be a crane operator, like someone stated it is an art. If you don't have some mechanical instinct, good motor skills and depth perception, you may make a half***, excuse my language, operator, but a person won't make a truly good operator. My hat goes off to you crane operators. It is a skill that I wish that I had persued when I was younger, even when I started in construction. But as a female, it was kind of hard for a woman to break into crane operations when I was younger. We were still under the perception that crane operating was a man's territory.
The State of Alaska has a bill in the senate now to require a cert. from the state to operate a crane, but it is useless because it is just another tax for the state, a source of income. Because in order to get this cert. you have to have an NCCCO or an equivalent cert. And this bill allows the State workers to operate a crane without any other certification, or probably whether they are truly crane operators or not. You notice how the government, whether local of national, has a way of paving the way for the government workers to be able to, in this case operate cranes without the training or experience, AND CHARGE US AS BUSINESS OWNERS AND WORKERS AN ADDITIONAL TAX TO ALLOW THESE GOVERNMENT WORKERS TO SLIDE BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, I hear you ,hands on is the sh_t ! you know when you see a good op.

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operator4 in Rochester, New Hampshire

68 months ago

Russ Downs in Crystal River, Florida said: I have been operating equipment since the early 90s. Last November I decided to get my crane cert. I attended the Georgia School of Construction to prep me for the exams (job placement sucks). I scored 100% on the practical, and 90% plus on the core and large hydraulic. I recieved my NCCO and NCCER cards and I might as well use them to cut up bananas. Emloyers are looking for yrs of experience not plastic. I have been building sub stations for wind farm projects from Texas to Illinois to PA and have yet sat in a Hydraulic crane. I am a Operator for the IBEW and my pay ranged from $17.64 hr to $39 hr plus benefits and per diem. What I am getting at is if you plan on going out and getting your certs without crane experience and landing the job right away, you are up for a dissapointment. I have seen operators that could butter toast with the hook and then there are the ones that its a miracle they negotiated the walk to the crane. I have seen so many unsafe acts in regards to cranes in the last yr, its unreal. I left $34 an hr in Illinois because management would not prevent unsafe lifts. When the safety director left the site it was lets get this done anyway thats possible. Everything can be done safely, its engineered in.
Your an operator for the IBEW???!!! Well I'm an operator for the IUOE and i sure as hell wouldn't be connecting wires for a living. I have my "plastic". and I use it. It was free through my hall because that's what WE DO. We're not a bunch of wannabes who think that because they can pull a lever that that makes them an operator. Just like operating Lulls. Same BS. They are a tool of OUR trade, NOT yours. You should have your union card revoked, because you are a R A T! .

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Russ in Crystal River, Florida

68 months ago

operator4 in Rochester, New Hampshire said: Your an operator for the IBEW???!!! Well I'm an operator for the IUOE and i sure as hell wouldn't be connecting wires for a living. I have my "plastic". and I use it. It was free through my hall because that's what WE DO. We're not a bunch of wannabes who think that because they can pull a lever that that makes them an operator. Just like operating Lulls. Same BS. They are a tool of OUR trade, NOT yours. You should have your union card revoked, because you are a R A T! .

A RAT...I inquired about the engineers union and found that your pay and benfits or below our the IBEW standards. You lift steel and such, we work with electricity. You said that you wouldn't be connecting wires for a living, thats fine because with the poor attitude you have I don't think you could cut it. I have seen some engineers operating skills and I can say this, SOME, not all, shouldn't be at the controlls. Picking outside their radius, operating with outriggers off the ground, turning off the lmi, overriding the two block. Don't get me wrong, we have this on our side too. Just because you hold a union card doesn't mean your the best and that your entitled to the job. We are skilled at what we do and that is why we are doing the work. If your union wouldn't have given up the electrical work years ago, you may be out here too as with the steel workers and millwrights. When the work was slow this work was left to the IBEW to do because there was't enough work to bring in these unions, they did't want it. We can compare wages, benefits and work opportunities, building is slow and electrical is going and will only get stronger in the next few yrs. I don't knock your union no harder than mine,I do agree that just pulling a lever doesn't make you an operator but some of us ARE operators and are more skilled than others on both sides. There is some line work in PA, crane cert req if your interested. Good Luck

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operator4 in Rochester, New Hampshire

68 months ago

Russ in Crystal River, Florida said: A RAT...I inquired about the engineers union and found that your pay and benfits or below our the IBEW standards. You lift steel and such, we work with electricity. You said that you wouldn't be connecting wires for a living, thats fine because with the poor attitude you have I don't think you could cut it. I have seen some engineers operating skills and I can say this, SOME, not all, shouldn't be at the controlls. Picking outside their radius, operating with outriggers off the ground, turning off the lmi, overriding the two block. Don't get me wrong, we have this on our side too. Just because you hold a union card doesn't mean your the best and that your entitled to the job. We are skilled at what we do and that is why we are doing the work. If your union wouldn't have given up the electrical work years ago, you may be out here too as with the steel workers and millwrights. When the work was slow this work was left to the IBEW to do because there was't enough work to bring in these unions, they did't want it. We can compare wages, benefits and work opportunities, building is slow and electrical is going and will only get stronger in the next few yrs. I don't knock your union no harder than mine,I do agree that just pulling a lever doesn't make you an operator but some of us ARE operators and are more skilled than others on both sides. There is some line work in PA, crane cert req if your interested. Good Luck e

Our careers are pretty much cut and dried. Should never be an issue. We fight off ironworkers, laborers, and electricians too. Seems sparky likes to operate overhead bridge cranes because it's electrically driven. I do nukes. See it all around. Even in new construction, when the overhead is 50% complete, the sparkys take it. The AFL-CIO just looks the other way. I watch elec/oper squirm in their seats, knowing they don't belong there but afraid for their jobs if the say no.

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Russ in Crystal River, Florida

68 months ago

I see it too, but its not that they are squirming its just they don't know what they are doing and yes management turns away. Prime example,,, I just heard that the transmission line on the east coast still procedes in blow snow. They are using cranes with baskets fixed to the end of the stick and when the wind is blowing so hard that they can't keep the personel in their work area, they tie off the crane to the structure. As usual the almighty dollar comes first. Apparently wind factors don't come into play let alone the safety of the men in the air and on the ground. This is seen alot. On jobs that don't require a cert, they will put anybody on a crane. I pick and choose projects and I will walk if safety issues are not addressed. That is why I am not on that particular project.

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kenny kiff in New Iberia, Louisiana

68 months ago

I can undrestand what the guy is saying about the yrs. instead of a cert.. The ppl offshore call ppl like that pulldos,you know pull it see what ot do, lol. It's sad that REAL crane opers. got to put up with that BS because it gives other ones a bad name,unless your with a company for awhile or you know ppl in the company you hire in with. Thats why i TRY to stay with the same co.,you make it a home, more or less.But i still go where the money is,you got to.Offshore ain't doing to good right now cause of that f--king pres. that some dumba-s ppl put there{sorry hole diffent thing}.Anyway it's just messed up that real crane opers. got to go though that s-it alover agian and again.........i've been running the crane sinse 1987,and i mean any crane it don't matter what kind it is.But the man is right they got pulldos out there that think yhey are the s-it,and they or right there S-IT

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kenny kiff in New Iberia, Louisiana

68 months ago

operator4 in Rochester, New Hampshire said: Our careers are pretty much cut and dried. Should never be an issue. We fight off ironworkers, laborers, and electricians too. Seems sparky likes to operate overhead bridge cranes because it's electrically driven. I do nukes. See it all around. Even in new construction, when the overhead is 50% complete, the sparkys take it. The AFL-CIO just looks the other way. I watch elec/oper squirm in their seats, knowing they don't belong there but afraid for their jobs if the say no.

See thats really bad when you put ppl lifes in danger to do a job.nobody shouldhave to put up with that,cause if you have run the crane for awhile YOU KNOW THE CRANE OPER. IS THE MAN THAY BLAME........sad but true

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anthony provost in Clifton, Kansas

68 months ago

A lot of the problem is because of greed company's are unwilling to pay the money to train people at any job it's not just the operater's it's with all the trade's these company's want experience but they don't want to spend the money to train people the way thing's used to be when the union's were in control of the training program's I'm a millwright with 20 years of experiance and have a little time running a crane on and off over the years and was thinking of going back to school and spending the money to become a operator because i can't buy a job as a millwright. but after hearing all the pro's and con's of the program i feel i would just be wasting my money. I am a certified rigger and think that a person should have at least sometime as a rigger before they become a operator. A long time ago when i was barely wet behind the ears's as a millwright i got myself in a bad jam thinking that i could make a critical lift on a hydro rig and it gave me respect for the crane and seasoned operater's as far as making small pic's you can teach a kid to do that. It's the one's that make your xxxhole take a bite out of the seat that make's you a for real operator. And that is what i have alway's held operater's to when i was using a operater as a millwright. I have had to chew an operater's xxx before. when i was using them to make a pick . and they were not very good operater's. I also have freind's that are operater's that make it look easy. Really it's all about experiance i guess.

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operator4 in Lebanon, Maine

68 months ago

so many wannabe operators. Hey I can weld, well I can make a spark and the metal will stick together, doesn't make me a welder. I can put a spud in a hole, doesn't make me an iron worker and I can pound a nail, doesn't make me a carpenter. I stick to my trade and I do it well. I do my best to be as safe as possible. We operators have countless times had to raise the load because somebody on the ground turned their head away. Every trade should have a tagging class. Hardly ever 2 people tag alike. And yes it is nice to be in a machine all comfy and all. But the stresses are there. I operate most machinery. Have all licenses current. I've worked with a lot of awesome riggers and taggers. We sit in the cab and watch the work a lot. Personally, I think a lot of trade workers are a little jealous and would rather DRIVE the crane. All modern equipment is easy to make move. But you gotta know how to use it, and know what your doing. a talented operator goes smooth and operates it like a second language. If I'm not totally confident about what I'm doing, I don't do it. A 50 ton Grove can't lift 50 tons 50 feet away. all trades should stick to what they do best and what their hired for. Their own trade. And I think if it wasn't for the s c a r y cranes and heavy picks, every other wanna be would be DRIVING everything. So if your in a seat and you see someone doing your job, you don't deserve to be there.

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kenny kiff in New Iberia, Louisiana

68 months ago

i surely agree with that.....i've been iron work all my life i can weld did have my certs. 6g 6gr,i've fitted,and love to push crews.but what i'm really good at is running the crane so besides pushing crews that's what i do. i've been doing it sinse 1987,and do it well,fast and safe.when you work offshore like i do you have ti be fast sometimes because of the boat is moving around so much lol thats them wannabe boat captans,there just like any wannabe just that wannabe lol.but i agree you need to stay with your best at. it don't hurt to KNOW HOW to do other things but please don't say your that!!!!!!!!

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Pile Driving in Grand Forks, North Dakota

68 months ago

Russ in Crystal River, Florida said: A RAT...I inquired about the engineers union and found that your pay and benfits or below our the IBEW standards. You lift steel and such, we work with electricity. You said that you wouldn't be connecting wires for a living, thats fine because with the poor attitude you have I don't think you could cut it. I have seen some engineers operating skills and I can say this, SOME, not all, shouldn't be at the controlls. Picking outside their radius, operating with outriggers off the ground, turning off the lmi, overriding the two block. Don't get me wrong, we have this on our side too. Just because you hold a union card doesn't mean your the best and that your entitled to the job. We are skilled at what we do and that is why we are doing the work. If your union wouldn't have given up the electrical work years ago, you may be out here too as with the steel workers and millwrights. When the work was slow this work was left to the IBEW to do because there was't enough work to bring in these unions, they did't want it. We can compare wages, benefits and work opportunities, building is slow and electrical is going and will only get stronger in the next few yrs. I don't knock your union no harder than mine,I do agree that just pulling a lever doesn't make you an operator but some of us ARE operators and are more skilled than others on both sides. There is some line work in PA, crane cert req if your interested. Good Luck

e

Yeah umm yup he is rirht you are a dirty little rat you should leave the picking to the big boys and go play with your wires, you may set up a tower crane etc but doesnt mean you should or can run it and just because you are running equipment Does not mean your an operator, So grab your pliers and stick to the wire bud!

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Crane Power in Marietta, Georgia

68 months ago

GRAB YOUR PLIERS AND STICK TO THE WIRE ??? Man you have got to be kidding me Coming from a veteran operator (Operator meaning I have the ability to operate all types of equipment not just a crane like some would be or wanabes). I Cannot stand the pre-madonna, I'm better then everyone else mentality, like your just the best on earth. To be honest, me being your peer in the industry, if you are what you say you are. You, and others like you with the same attitude, are why so many folks out there hate crane operators. Even other crane operators can't stand you, so put down your beer, apply for a vocational program for your spelling problem, and get with the program. If you don't change your views you, and others like you, will be why cranes are made more idiot proof and laborers are behind the controls. Take note that friction rigs are already gone or almost gone anyway, most apprentice programs are a joke, and your probably financed to your ears so you can not afford for this to happen. The caveman mentality or just not thinking past the budwieser is going to help you find your way to the unemployment line and a Green Laborer or truck driver is going to be running your crane. Lets keep in mind that we are supposed to be professionals in our industry and thats why folks looked up to us in the past but not anymore because of folks like you, if you really watch the respect is going away first the mechanics hate you or talk about you the the laborers start in the disrespect. Well anyway realize what I'm saying pull your head out and be a pro. and maybe you can be credited with changing the operator persona.....

Remember unless you we're born with a boom sticking out of your butt and controls in your hands someone taught you the trade and thats how you learn.

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Paul Burd in High Springs, Florida

68 months ago

Crane Operator for 28 years,Nccco Certified LBT,LBC,and TLL looking for work in North Florida Area.I learned a lot from this course,and if you think you know it all get out of the seat.

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