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NAHETS is supposed to help you land a job before you leave school. anyways, i was thinking of going to this school, is it worth all the money? or is it a waste of time?

join the union as an apprentice, your certifications will not take the place of on the job learning.i know operators that have been working for years and do not have a cert. but they have the exp. and could get the cco if needed

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bill in Fayetteville, North Carolina said: NAHETS is supposed to help you land a job before you leave school. anyways, i was thinking of going to this school, is it worth all the money? or is it a waste of time?

No, they are not supposed to find you a job before you leave the school. They do help you write a resume if you don't know how to. And they will help you look for a job and send you the information where the job openings are. But there is not any guarentee of them getting you a job.

I also graduated Feb, '08. I went through levels 123 and crane. It is a little slow in the construction field in certain areas right now. I am in Phoenix, Az and it is slow here.

It is definately worth theo money. You are certified in as little as three weeks, depending on what you want to learn how to operate. You get a lot of training besides how to operate the equipment. You learn how to compact the material as well as how to read blue prints and read grade markers and get the pad or working area/project to grade.

CCO is about to blow up and become nationally required before you can operate a crane, so it is best to get that training now as most companies won't be willing to pay for the training or certifications.

NCCER is not required now, but it is also being looked at by the powers that be, to make it nationally required.

Plus, you get to learn how to operate a wide range of equipment in the school, rather than only one or two.

TG in Central City, Kentucky said: join the union as an apprentice, your certifications will not take the place of on the job learning.i know operators that have been working for years and do not have a cert. but they have the exp. and could get the cco if needed

Unfortunately, the CCO Cert is becomming a Nation Wide Requirement weather you're in a union or not. The only people that are not required to have a CCO Cert is the Military or the Utility Companies.

I am currently looking for work, as a crane operator, any leads in California?

I am seaching for a crane operator in California, just finished a job in Glendale California. Any leads?

bill in Fayetteville, North Carolina said: NAHETS is supposed to help you land a job before you leave school. anyways, i was thinking of going to this school, is it worth all the money? or is it a waste of time?

waste of time & $$$$$

Find a North American Crane Bureau School.Type it in.Nahets sales people target people in areas where there is not much work.This is how they sell themselves.They have no business in telling you how much money you can make either.The gulf coast has alot of oppurtunity and schools at a decent price.You might find one cheaper.

haulbot1@yahoo.com in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin said: waste of time & $$$$$

I wouldn't say it is a waste of time and money. But at this present moment in time, the ECONOMY is the thing you have to look at.

But now that Obama is in command, the UNIONS will become part of the destruction of the US.

Education of any sort is not a waste.

i don't know of anyone that would put someone on a crane after three weeks training. Lets be honest what good is a NCCCO without ever having been a oiler. Call me old school but I think there will be a lot of crane on there sides because people can go out and get there NCCCO by taking a 3 week class and they think that makes them an operator. Kind of pisses me off.

bigjakesrq in sarasota, Florida said: i don't know of anyone that would put someone on a crane after three weeks training. Lets be honest what good is a NCCCO without ever having been a oiler. Call me old school but I think there will be a lot of crane on there sides because people can go out and get there NCCCO by taking a 3 week class and they think that makes them an operator. Kind of pisses me off.

WEll, look at what they teach in those three weeks and you'll understand why the CCO cert is so important. Look at how many cranes are on their sides because the operator did not pay attention. This can go on for both sides.

But the school gives you a hands on experience and goes overhow to read the load charts as well as the maintenance of the crane and the safety aspects of the industry.

No, it does not make you a master crane operator, and I would not expect anyone to go right out of the school and in the seat of a crane. However, I do expect a person to be able to be a rigger for a few weeks in order to show the owne/foreman that you are going to be reliable and show up on time every day as well as be able to continue to learn how to operate the crane.

And as a few of us have said on here before, the CCO Certification is going to be mandatory in all 50 states soon enough and no matter where you start out on the crew, you can't even be in the cab if you don't have the CCO Cert.

i mhave always loved the people that put our unions down, usually they are some back woods country F--- that cant hold down a job anyway and has absolutely no real knowledge of who keeps their wages up and strives to keep industry standards absolute. they try to retire with social security and keep a roof over their head at the expence of the brother or sister that has lived thru the strikes and losses to make non union jobs have to keep pace with unions. i could go on but, as a person that has come out of a crane school that says they will place you, which means they give u the phone number and address of crane companys, WOW. after u have spent thousands of dollars in training, where as the union pays you to learn HUH then does place you in jobs you will be qualifyed for . HUH again go figure

Henry in Oregon City, Oregon said: i mhave always loved the people that put our unions down, usually they are some back woods country F--- that cant hold down a job anyway and has absolutely no real knowledge of who keeps their wages up and strives to keep industry standards absolute. they try to retire with social security and keep a roof over their head at the expence of the brother or sister that has lived thru the strikes and losses to make non union jobs have to keep pace with unions. i could go on but, as a person that has come out of a crane school that says they will place you, which means they give u the phone number and address of crane companys, WOW. after u have spent thousands of dollars in training, where as the union pays you to learn HUH then does place you in jobs you will be qualifyed for . HUH again go figure

Well, obviously we are all seeing what the UAW has done to the auto industry. They have raised themselves out of a job. Pitty their GREED has gotten the better of them.

We can go back and forth on this subject matter and in the end will all agree to disagree.

And as for me not being able to hold down a job,... think again. In fact, I'm in the process of starting another business. And there won't be any sort of union labor involved, as I tend to treat all employees as they treat the company. It is a give and take situation and jobs are tough to come by now days, so I know there are going to be a lot of hard working men and women on our crews.

Oh, and by the way, I'll treat them better than any Union ever can or will!

I say again and again.NAHETS knows there are no jobs where you live and charge too much for me to spend Uncle Sams money if I could.But you will have to ride your bike through this and start looking at the Gulf of Mexico region.

The divster in San Antonio, Texas said: I say again and again.NAHETS knows there are no jobs where you live and charge too much for me to spend Uncle Sams money if I could.But you will have to ride your bike through this and start looking at the Gulf of Mexico region.

You can't fault a person for having a business. After all, the United States was founded upon Free Enterprise... There are few jobs in the construction industry anywhere. And what is wrong with us spending Uncle Sam's money? I earned every penny I receive from the V.A.!

I do not fault anyone for having his own business.I simply put it that the sales dept.knows you have no work where you live.It is a sales tactic.

really, I think the union is just a band wagon for the flunks that can uses there hands and want something to do. Have you ever looked into your insurance or other benefits what you pay per hour and how well they really are? The union will mostly only buy these policys.... from other union businesses that really wont help to much when you fourwheeler lands on top of you and the doc says you can lift five pounds max. And how about the members on the bench who are out of unimployment benefits but still have to pay the bills. You find a fair paying job running a blade or whatever to make ends meet, then you get a call from the union who doesnt have a job to offer and he tells you that you cant work for side jobs operating. And all the rest of the silly rules manditory two 15 min breaks and lunch im surprised the dont mandate nap time. Sorry about the first sentance but with a little extra effort finding insurance and retirement and very good work ethics you can better yourself.

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funny how this was originally a post by a gentleman trying to get a job, and its turned into union/non-union mumbo jumbo. there are lazy, no good for nothing piece of garbage so called operators on BOTH sides of the spectrum. I am a Union operator, and I am VERY proud of it! I do NOT take mandatory breaks, or lunches. When I pull my crane on the job, and the customer signs the ticket to start work, that crane belongs to them until they sign the ticket to stop work. If they break, fine. If they lunch, that's fine as well. If they don't, then that's fine too. If they're happy, then I'm happy.

Some people had a bad go-round with a bad business agent. That doesn't make the entire IOUE a bad organization. We had one here a few years back. They're still fixing some of his Screw-UPS!

While others are just flying off at the mouth and they don't have a CLUE what they're talking about. It's either here-say or just their own STUPIDITY.

And then there the group of blow hards that just biotch to hear themselves biotch, and starve for attention. They're just not happy unless there is turmoil and whining in their day. And to them I say, "Hike your skirt up, pull your hair back, put down your purse and lipstick, and GO TO WORK YOU WHINY LITTLE WORM"

Bubba in Orlando, Florida said: funny how this was originally a post by a gentleman trying to get a job, and its turned into union/non-union mumbo jumbo. there are lazy, no good for nothing piece of garbage so called operators on BOTH sides of the spectrum. I am a Union operator, and I am VERY proud of it! I do NOT take mandatory breaks, or lunches. When I pull my crane on the job, and the customer signs the ticket to start work, that crane belongs to them until they sign the ticket to stop work. If they break, fine. If they lunch, that's fine as well. If they don't, then that's fine too. If they're happy, then I'm happy.

Some people had a bad go-round with a bad business agent. That doesn't make the entire IOUE a bad organization. We had one here a few years back. They're still fixing some of his Screw-UPS!

While others are just flying off at the mouth and they don't have a CLUE what they're talking about. It's either here-say or just their own STUPIDITY.

And then there the group of blow hards that just biotch to hear themselves biotch, and starve for attention. They're just not happy unless there is turmoil and whining in their day. And to them I say, "Hike your skirt up, pull your hair back, put down your purse and lipstick, and GO TO WORK YOU WHINY LITTLE WORM"

Yes, my experience with unions was actual experience of being a member.

But you say that there are good and bad on both sides of the fence. True, but you can't get rid of the bad that are in the union, and the good are not praised or given a raise when they deserve it.

sure you can get rid of them. you just let them sit on the bench long enough, and they dont have the hours to cover their insurance, no money for bills, etc etc, and they leave. as for the good, well speaking for my self, i get praises all the time, and raises every year, on my check and in my pension.

im not trying to swing you back to the union, im just stating that theres way more good ops than they are bad.

Bubba in Orlando, Florida said: sure you can get rid of them. you just let them sit on the bench long enough, and they dont have the hours to cover their insurance, no money for bills, etc etc, and they leave. as for the good, well speaking for my self, i get praises all the time, and raises every year, on my check and in my pension.

im not trying to swing you back to the union, im just stating that theres way more good ops than they are bad.

I understand what you are saying. But what about the guys that do get work, but are constantly late or mess things up. "if" they get sent home or to the hall, they are back a few days later, doing the same thing all over again. Plus, they get the same raise and bonuses you/we get for doing the right thing.

Bubba in Orlando, Florida said: sure you can get rid of them. you just let them sit on the bench long enough, and they dont have the hours to cover their insurance, no money for bills, etc etc, and they leave. as for the good, well speaking for my self, i get praises all the time, and raises every year, on my check and in my pension.

im not trying to swing you back to the union, im just stating that theres way more good ops than they are bad.

Hi Bubba , it's me Daniel from Toronto Canada. I moved from Italy here in Canada and i have 7 years experience with tower cranes,and the my certificate from italy dosn't work here , and i have to get the certificate here, right now i'm taking the practice test on Feb 26, but what i soo here in winter most of the construction jobs closing , because cold, -25, -30, it's creazy man . What do you think , if i move to Florida , it will be good idea or,,,, can you give me some information about. Thank you Bubba and Happy SAN VALENTINE

Dani in Beamsville, Ontario said: Hi Bubba , it's me Daniel from Toronto Canada. I moved from Italy here in Canada and i have 7 years experience with tower cranes,and the my certificate from italy dosn't work here , and i have to get the certificate here, right now i'm taking the practice test on Feb 26, but what i soo here in winter most of the construction jobs closing , because cold, -25, -30, it's creazy man . What do you think , if i move to Florida , it will be good idea or,,,, can you give me some information about. Thank you Bubba and Happy SAN VALENTINE

works kinda slow here as well. not because of cold weather, just slow in general.

steven div in San Antonio, Texas said: Find a North American Crane Bureau School.Type it in.Nahets sales people target people in areas where there is not much work.This is how they sell themselves.They have no business in telling you how much money you can make either.The gulf coast has alot of oppurtunity and schools at a decent price.You might find one cheaper.

Steven,
I am just starting to research about Crane Operators for my son he graduates 2010. Can you please help me out. I am unfamiliar with what certifications he should get and what would be the best school to attend to receive these certifications. I also noticed that alot of operators are looking for work. Are there more operators than jobs available?

Noah in Wichita, Kansas said: My name is Noah and I recently graduated from a crane operating school and am looking for work. I have my NCCO NCCER and NAHETS certifications. If anyone knows where I should look or has an opening for me to start working please reply or e-mail me at noahbrubaker@hotmail.com.

Thanks

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Don't go to any consruction school. Nahets is a SCAM!!!

Do you have any prof that NAHETS is a scam? Please elaborate.

Yeah I went in OK. Any employer will laugh if you use that to get an operator job. Thankfully I had a friend that was a foreman and got me into the apprentice program. 15k down the drain. No company in their right mind is gonna put you on a half million dollar peice of equipment on a multi-million dollar job and let you f**k it up cause you have nine weeks of training. Start as a laborer and work your way into seat time, and see where it goes. That is the best advice I can give anybody. Yes I was a union laborer for 5 years when I was stupid and went to OK City.

Sory to hear that you misunderstood what you were being told. Had you gone to the school with open ears, you would have heard the instructors tell you many, many times that you are not guarenteed a job after completion of the course.

Not only that, but they also tell you that if/when you get a job, you will more than likely be starting out as a laborer, but you have the experience to operate the equipment so that you can learn more as you progress.

Shame on you for thinking that ANYONE would hire you and put you in charge of an expensive piece of equipment without any sort of supervision or a little more training.

I have had the opportunity to go to work for a couple of crews here in the Phx area, and to tell you the truth, I showed them my cards and told them about the school. They were impressed, and still started me out in the trenches for a few days, even with experience. Mostly to make sure I would show up every day, but also to see how I would react to the stresses and my safety measures and procedures.

Not ot mention that I also have my crane operators certs, and a CDL. But even if/when you go to school to get your CDL and get a job w/ a trucking company, you still have to ride in a truck w/ another employee that will train you even more.

Sory to hear about you wasting your time and money on the UNION. I'm working on my third job and receiving prevailing wages, and I pocket all of it, as I don't have to pay a worthless union, or have to be treated like an idiot and have the ability and time to run many different pieces of equipment.

I'm not wasting my time in the Union. It depends on what state you are in. In the south the unions are pretty weak because there are so many right to work states. In Iowa and Missouri you are making serious jack and having job security. Unions are very strong up here, in fact make up about 90% of construction jobs. Dirt & Sewer anyways.

Nga12080 just think what this is costing the tax payers for Union for Sewer work.when it could cost them half as much thanks for the Bail out's this is whereI stand!
I don't believe in Bribes by Union thugs in our American System that is why under Obama you are getting such a good wage Makeing higher prices for everything.you have a job but what about the people that have to pay high prices for you?for Most of you to stand around and do nothing for hours and just enjoying life,while most are not getting any bail out's and Union cash just for a vote good luck on your next Election or the complete American fall out under Obama.Obama Higher taxes good for you.I don;t like Big goverment or nor pay dews to keep a job it sounds like you are insecure with your work.unless you have someone above you hold your cards for you.

feast or famine? You'll be on your ass if your up here. Non-union companies don't survive around here. I have to do what I have to do. Understand?

paul,AMEN MY BROTHER lol.hey you need to talk to me on yahoo kenny.kiff@yahoo.com

Amen Paul. I've been saying that for so many years. Unions have not ever done any good for me. Only took my dues and then looked the other way when anything happened.

Why do I need someone else to negotiate my salary for me?

nja12080 in Des Moines, Iowa said: I'm not wasting my time in the Union. It depends on what state you are in. In the south the unions are pretty weak because there are so many right to work states. In Iowa and Missouri you are making serious jack and having job security. Unions are very strong up here, in fact make up about 90% of construction jobs. Dirt & Sewer anyways.

Unions are not popular in the south because we can get up in the morning and get our own jobs. We don't need to sit around in a union hall and wait for something to get handed to us.

I'm sure unions are small in Louisiana considering you have to have a GED or high school diploma to even be an apprentice.

i got this job on my own and have had no problems at work. I have been to the union hall one time in 12 years. Talked to a rep 3 times in 12 years.

hey dont let stupid scabs bust yur bubble , I personally have been union for many years and have enjoyed the brotherhood that they only dream of. Also im due to retire in 2 years at age 62 with over 87,500 hours of doccumented work over my career so far with a net retirement check of 5000 dollars after tax, full insurance coverage, and a pension savings of 165,000 in an ira from conbined contributions. Scabs sometimes get a gold watch and the boot. Some if lucky have a 401k that hopefully they have not borrowed from and is gone. We also will be recieving at age 62 less than if we waited till 65 or 70 our social security that we paid in of 2400 a month, giving us a 7400 dollar a month income, about the same as when we were working but now able to enjoy the good life. Show me a Scab or politely "non union worker" set up like this, NOT. So i laugh all the way to the bank here at the end of my working career and will toss you some spare change as i pass you or yur brothers on the freeway on ramp in a few years. You can say what you want but union work is only as strong as the men and women in the local. No one gives us anything we earn it all and help keep wages up where non union companys dont get away with paying minimum wage for stressful work. Being non union you must be republican and want to give that money right to big business so they can retire in the shape union people do. dont let em bother you for they throw sticks at what is good because they are jealious and know were right---WISHING YOU SCABS THE BEST pmpoad

This is real funny how this topic went from someone getting a job to how the unions suck. I am a proud to be union and it always crack me up to hear these rats coming on here and start running their mouths about something they have no clue about. If you rats are happy then so be it, but don't sit there and bash the unions because remember if it were not for the unions your wages wouldn't be what they are. And all you union haters better hope the unions don't fall because then you will see everything fall. And to the guy who was talking trash about the UAW bringing the auto industry down, you need to really get your facts right. It was the greedy ceo's etc. with their huge bonuses and lack of new development that brought it down. It had nothing to do with the UAW.

sorry about straying from the subject you wanted an answer for but people who put unions down get my goat. So if yur out of work there are many resources that i did not have back a few years ago to find work. you can make calls to areas that you have heard are picking up and call either direct to the local which has probably many people on the list at the present due to the economy or do a search on line for employers in yur field in that area and apply to them direct, no one says you have to have the hall send ya you can solicit yur ouw jobs too. also be ready to compromise on what you will do, remember its tough out there. travel if ya have to and campin out in yur truck or stayin in a motel that u have negociated the price to what you can afford ( remember its not just you hurting in this economy its the motels, restaruants etc is all of us. News papers from different locale are available online as are google, indeed, monster, and many more that search data bases for you . dont get frustrated it might take time but you will find something by do-dillegence, all things come to those who wait if while they wait they work like hell !! Best of luck and present yurself as someone who will be part of a team and add to the companys goals too, talkers aint doers and doers aint talkers c-ya on the job pmpoad

blazin1 in Pennsylvania said: This is real funny how this topic went from someone getting a job to how the unions suck. I am a proud to be union and it always crack me up to hear these rats coming on here and start running their mouths about something they have no clue about. If you rats are happy then so be it, but don't sit there and bash the unions because remember if it were not for the unions your wages wouldn't be what they are. And all you union haters better hope the unions don't fall because then you will see everything fall. And to the guy who was talking trash about the UAW bringing the auto industry down, you need to really get your facts right. It was the greedy ceo's etc. with their huge bonuses and lack of new development that brought it down. It had nothing to do with the UAW.

UAW and their cadilac and other entitlement plans did raise the cost of an average automobile. You should do your research and compare the Domestic Autos to the Imports that are made in the US, and you'll see what I am talking about. My wages are what they are because of MY negotiating skills, NOT because of some union.

And don't get on your high horse when you THINK that if there are no unions that we'll all have no wages. And your unions have done nothing as of late to benefit the average person or even their members. There are many laws and regulations in place that the Government has put into place and I don't need to pay them more than the taxes they take out of my check.

I have and will continue to cross ANY and ALL PICKET LINES, while you slobs are crying about not getting something that you have no idea what it will cost in the long run.

You probably believe that minimum wage is a good thing.

Pmpoad Thank you.I don't hate the Unionsbut they have driven up the cost of cars houses,and every thing else they even want to take walmart and try to take over the world,don't get me wrong yes my wages was as high as the Unions,but as I watched everything went up as my wages did.I had health care IRA everything they had but look at where everyone is now.few working in this Business,there is no construction unless it is Government ,or I should say tax payer Money.Sorry to affend any Union but you need to stop the Union Heads to stop sending money to the Liberal Party that IS KILLING AMERICA

Pmpoad can you give me some Recources,there is noo work in Fl.

jeremiah in Phoenix, Arizona said: My wages are what they are because of MY negotiating skills, NOT because of some union.

And don't get on your high horse when you THINK that if there are no unions that we'll all have no wages. And your unions have done nothing as of late to benefit the average person or even their members. There are many laws and regulations in place that the Government has put into place and I don't need to pay them more than the taxes they take out of my check.

I have and will continue to cross ANY and ALL PICKET LINES, while you slobs are crying about not getting something that you have no idea what it will cost in the long run.

You probably believe that minimum wage is a good thing.

First of all, I am not on any high horse nor do I think I am better than anyone else. Plus our union wage just means you will not get any less than that. I have negotiated my own wages on top of that(which you can do if you are valuable to the company). You rats keep on saying about all these taxes etc. we have to pay. Yes we have dues etc. that we have to pay but you are still comparing apples to oranges. Bottom line is that I will have a PENSION(will you have that?), and ANNUITY(something like a 401k but we don't contribute) on top of social security. So keep on working till your 80 thats if you don't lose everything in your 401k. Like I said before, if your happy with being non union then power to you but don't come on here talking trash about unions.

blazin1 in Pennsylvania said: First of all, I am not on any high horse nor do I think I am better than anyone else. Plus our union wage just means you will not get any less than that. I have negotiated my own wages on top of that(which you can do if you are valuable to the company). You rats keep on saying about all these taxes etc. we have to pay. Yes we have dues etc. that we have to pay but you are still comparing apples to oranges. Bottom line is that I will have a PENSION(will you have that?), and ANNUITY(something like a 401k but we don't contribute) on top of social security. So keep on working till your 80 thats if you don't lose everything in your 401k. Like I said before, if your happy with being non union then power to you but don't come on here talking trash about unions.

I happen to own several properties that I rent out or am in the process of rehabing (non-union workers, as their rates for the exact same job are too high to afford,) to resale. Along with several other investments, that will be there way past my retirement age.

So keep on thinking that your union is the greatest thing since sliced bread, until there is no more work being done because it is not affordable due to the unions driving cost up.

Sir nja12080 let me see the media has saying we were in a depression for 8 years when unemployment was at 4.7 percent and when he leftMr Presidnet (BUSH ) it was at 6.5 Percent and Obama has done nothing but talk about attacking Businesses and bank,who is Timothy tax cheat Geuner or what you spell his name bank bail outs sorry im and Chasrlei Tax cheat Wraingle Look at this administration watch Glenn Beck, Listen to Rush get on line and find out who u are in bed with.thank you

Glenn Beck and Rush!!!!! there goes your credibility

Bush Def. with 2 WARS 1.2 Trill. Obama with bailout to you and big GOV. IS Over 11.5 Trill.one Year Sir. get your facts.Oh never mined you don;t want the truth.Sir