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RDH in Los Angeles, California

32 months ago

RDHfromCCC in Modesto, California said: There is no such thing as an "accelerated program" CCC is fully accredited, meaning their education meets the states standards that are the same as city colleges and UC schools.

"Fully Accredited" (By CODA) so you can take boards yes....but TRADE schools like CCC are NOT Regionally Accredited like a community college would be. Why? Because they are not really a 'College" per se. They are a TRADE school. This means while you can take your boards and get licensed you can never really "do" anything with your "degree" from CCC besides clean teeth. If you try to transfer into a University to complete your Bachelors they will laugh in your face. Regional Accreditation of a school is required to transfer your stuff to University/Colleges.

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Jennifer lopez in Sacramento, California

32 months ago

If I could do it all over again I would have payed the extra money to go to carrington college. From what I have heard the faculty is incredibly helpful and very nice over there. Sacramento city college DH program is great, but let me warn you now... the faculty IS NOT NICE. The main instructor for clinic is probably one of the meanest people I have ever met. She treats you like you are stupid in front of patients and goes out of her way to make sure you feel as though you will never graduate. Of course, I did graduate and realize NOW that it is not the end of the world, but going through it at the time felt like hell. I would have so much anxiety about going into Carols section in clinic and having her as my instructor for that week that I would make myself sick. She is incredibly talented but in my opinion she should be working in private practice and NOT instructing. A good instructor is patient and kind and does not try to hurt others by making them feel like they don't deserve to be a hygienist. I am not the only one who feels this way... MANY MANY MANY other students from the past have said the same thing. Hopefully this will help someone make a choice that is best for them.

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Kelley in Lincoln, California

31 months ago

I bet you didn't forget anything she taught you though. There are gals not getting jobs due to the school they went to and spent a lot of money. Sac City has a great reputation for quality hygienists and I know a lot of dentist and office managers who will choose a grad from there over many others and never Carington or WCC.

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Shayla in Sacramento, California

31 months ago

I have read this whole thread and....I am still so confused and undecided. I noticed that CCC and SCC have the same prereqs. I am one year from completing those. My situation is this.... I don't have a lot of time left, some of my classes are almost 10 years old and as I undersatnd it will be null and viod after 10 years. I would love to go to SCC but if I don't get in the first year it is going to put me out another year or two! I have two small kids and going to school is extremely hard I am scared if I don't get in and out soon it's going to be a lost dream. I am struggling with a desicion of paying the high cost of CCC(and possibly below-standard education) or waiting it out and trying to get into SCC. If anyone has any detailed info to help me make a desicion I would greatly appreciate it.

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29monthsTooLong in San Jose, California

31 months ago

Shayla in Sacramento, California said: I have read this whole thread and....I am still so confused and undecided. I noticed that CCC and SCC have the same prereqs. I am one year from completing those. My situation is this.... I don't have a lot of time left, some of my classes are almost 10 years old and as I undersatnd it will be null and viod after 10 years. I would love to go to SCC but if I don't get in the first year it is going to put me out another year or two! I have two small kids and going to school is extremely hard I am scared if I don't get in and out soon it's going to be a lost dream. I am struggling with a desicion of paying the high cost of CCC(and possibly below-standard education) or waiting it out and trying to get into SCC. If anyone has any detailed info to help me make a desicion I would greatly appreciate it.

You're in a tough spot Shayla. You have to do what you're most comfortable with. I'm not sure how you're doing financially, but try to step back and think of where going to CCC will put you money-wise. You're going to be trying to pay off a $40-50K tuition which most likely means you'll be taking out a loan with a ridiculous interest rate. Just like credit cards, you start off with a $1000 debt, by the time you end up paying it off (with minimum monthy payments), that $1000 turns into $2500 with all the interest that's accrued.

You may be saying to yourself, "well, if I go to CCC, I'll be able to graduate and go to work much faster." However, the problem most hygienists are talking about today are the fact there aren't many jobs for them. That's just reality right now, whether you go to CCC or SCC. Especially, I would assume if you're living out in the Sacramento area.

Anyways, I don't say any of that to scare you. You have to be comfortable with your decision whatever it is.

Is SCC and CCC your only two options?

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exp in Exeter, New Hampshire

31 months ago

As we can see from the 2 previous posts, thinking of going into the DH field, does not afford a job. If you are going to train in a field and have an inside perspective and job offer when you are done...in writing, then go for it, if not it's a ridiculous amount of money you don't have and would have to payback. How would you do this without employment in the field you've trained in? Spent numerous hours studying in, licensing exams, finding a pt. that the Board will ACCEPT as your board pt...and not have to have 2 back-ups, just in case? I saw this because the schools, govt/bls, online articles....WON'T! Go beyond the sources on the internet...see if you can attend a dental convention as a volunteer...if this is possible, as a learning experience....know, where YOU are living and want to work are both feasible after training/testing/licensing.....in 2 years, what do you think the state of the overabundance of DH's will be? My feeling is, being in this field fro 25+ yrs. is...push, shove, no benefits, very little work for all of us...some are lucky and I do mean lucky to have found those great offices...but they are few and far between. The reality of DH now and it's future are very frustrating for those already licensed...so, think forward, write down the pro's and con's of DH for YOU. TALK to many in many types of practices the RDH's not the other personnel in the office...you want to know what they have found in their long careers and those who are finding a day....it's a real mix...and the schools don't care...you're on your own when you graduate...GL on your future career whatever your decision is. We here, tell you our experiences, up and downs, in's and out's of various offices, Dentists, etc....weigh it all .*

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Superfluous RDH in Ottawa, Ontario

31 months ago

Hygiene isn't a good field to get into nowadays. I think it's been ruined for many years to come; there are too many hygienists looking for too few jobs. There are few to no benefits, no job security, and unreliable hours. Licensing is difficult and expensive to obtain as well as to maintain. Loyalty is a thing of the past when it deals with the "bottom line" (maximizing the office's profits).
The dental industry relies (feeds) upon us (i.e. "our money")to keep it alive. And those in charge need more of us to keep their wallets stuffed. If there are lots of us lured into this industry, we can perpetuate this pyramid scheme.
That's why these colleges and other schools are pumping out hygiene grads as fast as they can produce them, as well as charging exorbitant fees. We're keeping those at the top fat and happy (and employed) while we at the bottom are scrambling and fighting amonst ourselves for few jobs with ever-decreasing paycheques. But hey, it's just good business practices, keeping costs low, right? But at what price integrity? Well, the price is our lives and livelihood. We've invested time, money, and effort into something that we thought would give us a good living. But now it's been snatched away from many of us because of greed.
Spend your hard-earned money elsewhere. A DH diploma/degree isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

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Cerritos College Grad in Placentia, California

31 months ago

Superfluous RDH in Ottawa, Ontario said: Licensing is difficult and expensive to obtain as well as to maintain.

It is not difficult to maintain in California.

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Lisa in Antelope, California

31 months ago

Superfluous RDH in Ottawa, Ontario said: Hygiene isn't a good field to get into nowadays. I think it's been ruined for many years to come; there are too many hygienists looking for too few jobs. There are few to no benefits, no job security, and unreliable hours. Licensing is difficult and expensive to obtain as well as to maintain. Loyalty is a thing of the past when it deals with the "bottom line" (maximizing the office's profits).
The dental industry relies (feeds) upon us (i.e. "our money")to keep it alive. And those in charge need more of us to keep their wallets stuffed. If there are lots of us lured into this industry, we can perpetuate this pyramid scheme.
That's why these colleges and other schools are pumping out hygiene grads as fast as they can produce them, as well as charging exorbitant fees. We're keeping those at the top fat and happy (and employed) while we at the bottom are scrambling and fighting amonst ourselves for few jobs with ever-decreasing paycheques. But hey, it's just good business practices, keeping costs low, right? But at what price integrity? Well, the price is our lives and livelihood. We've invested time, money, and effort into something that we thought would give us a good living. But now it's been snatched away from many of us because of greed.
Spend your hard-earned money elsewhere. A DH diploma/degree isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

It's sad, but I agree. My Dentist is asking around to see what the CCC grads are taking home for pay and he tells me it's less than 5 years ago. I think that it would be okay for a student to attend CCC only if he or she is guaranteed a job when they graduate. My girlfriend just graduated from CCC and got a job over an hour away. She got the job because of her incredible looks not experience. The other applicants were more qualified.

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Mady2012 in Benicia, California

27 months ago

RDHfromCCC in Modesto, California said: This person is highly biased, the classes are accredited at CCC, and it is in no way accelerated or corner cutting, it is just full time, with no long summer breaks to drag out your education to take 2+ years. The "poor girls" you speak of at CCC have THE HIGHEST board passing rate well superior to that of Sac City. The facilities are impecible, spotless, and brand new. I passed my state board at 100% and my national board at 88% with education from CCC. My tuition was costly, but there is no lottery or waiting for enrollment, but your grades in pre-reqs must be impecible to be accepted. I had a 3.9 GPA in all pre-reqs and was accepted on my first try. The facilities are far superior to Sac City, and the campus is much easier to access with parking and classrooms all closely located along with instructor offices, etc. You get escorted to boards by your instructors and have a 4 month course of board prep, where most schools encourage you to go pay for money wasting weekend courses. My class had a 100% pass rate on clinical boards an 28 out of 29 passed national boards. The tuition is less that one year salary as a full time hygienist, so your loans can be easily paid off. It is a high quality school with high quality education. It is funny that some think you could sit for boards by attending some quickie school that didnt fully educate you. One of the head instructors at CCC left Sac City to teach there, so that should tell you something.

Thank you for that!

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Lisa in Denair, California

27 months ago

CCC college preps students to take the WREB which is not equal to the California State Board exam and CCC just teaches students to focus on passing the National Boards. How many FMX's and BWX sets does one have to take to pass the radiology course? How long does CCC spend teaching these students to read radiographs? My friends who are recent grads do not know how to take a good set of dental x-rays unless they were a dental assistant before the course. This program was designed for dental assistants who have experience already. My friends also had connections in the dental field to begin with and that is how they got a job, but if I CCC graduate walked into our office and turned in their resume without previous dental experience, we would never consider hiring that student. Unfortunately, CCC is so wrapped up in charging an arm and leg for the program that these poor students have to pay over triple the rate that us girls did. Oh yes and will Sac State or a CSU take your units from CCC. The answer is no. So make sure you have a job already lined up in this already polluted dental market before you pay for your less than equivalent dental hygiene education. I am very happy that I went somewhere else, but years ago I did go to WCC for dental assisting and I could have passed that program in 3rd grade.

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Susan in Roseville, California

27 months ago

I am wondering if the training programs at Carrington and Sac City are looking for patients to work on during the training. I need a cleanng and was wondering if I could be scheduled in.

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Erica in Citrus Heights, California

26 months ago

Hi everyone! I recently found this forum and am so grateful that I did! I recently graduated in 2010 with a bachelor's in biology. I decided to change my route from Dentistry to Dental Hygiene because I felt that it was more suited for me after I took the Introduction to Dental Hygiene course at Sacramento City College. I recently applied to the SCC Dental Hygiene program and was rejected (and very disheartened). After reading all these posts about no benefits in the future if pursuing this field, I've become devastated. Dental is all I have thought about doing ever since I was 5 years old. What would you all suggest (who are in the field) I should do next? Should I apply for a job and earn money and try again next year? Should I look into Carrington College's Sacramento College and pay way more to get the school done quicker? How hard is it to find a job in Sacramento or Placer County? I know of a few dentists that clean teeth themselves but do not have a RDH on staff. Would they be willing to hire me? Thank you and have a nice day!

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kburns in Oakland, California

26 months ago

More dentists are doing the cleanings themselves. If you are going to spend a lot of money, get your DDS and then you can do it all! Jobs are few and far between here. Good luck!

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GinaB in Roseville, California

26 months ago

No probably will not hire you. A lot of dentists resent paying the hygienist. Hygienists today are not valued as they once were. If I had to do it all over again I would go to dental school, go into nursing, or some other medical field, just not dental hygiene or assisting.

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Phillip in San Jose, California

26 months ago

Mady2012 in Benicia, California said: Thank you for that!

Sorry, but that's simply innaccurate. You don't need impeccable grades to get into CCC, you just need to complete your prereqs. Do you actually believe a for-profit school like CCC is going to turn down another $50,000 because one student has a 2.8 GPA versus another that has a 3.3?

The entire reason why schools like CCC are sadly even an option is because community college programs are typically very competitive (grades) and selective, while CCC lures students with the prospects getting out into the work force earlier but saddled with a $50K private student loan with a ridiculous interest rate.

It would be funny if it wasn't so disgusting when I read earlier on this thread that CCC tries to funnel potential RDH students that were not previously RDA licensed into its dental assisting program. There is absolutely no reason to waste additional time and money being an RDA if your true goal is being an RDH.

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RDH in Los Angeles, California

26 months ago

Phillip in San Jose, California said: Sorry, but that's simply innaccurate. You don't need impeccable grades to get into CCC, you just need to complete your prereqs. Do you actually believe a for-profit school like CCC is going to turn down another $50,000 because one student has a 2.8 GPA versus another that has a 3.3?

The entire reason why schools like CCC are sadly even an option is because community college programs are typically very competitive (grades) and selective, while CCC lures students with the prospects getting out into the work force earlier but saddled with a $50K private student loan with a ridiculous interest rate.

It would be funny if it wasn't so disgusting when I read earlier on this thread that CCC tries to funnel potential RDH students that were not previously RDA licensed into its dental assisting program. There is absolutely no reason to waste additional time and money being an RDA if your true goal is being an RDH.

I agree with you 100%! However there is some very pathetic people on this board who will maintain that "mill" schools like CCC are just as good and academically competitive to enter as non profit schools. What a joke. These schools exist because there is such a large base of students who couldn't make the cut to get into DH school at non profit institutions. It should have stayed that way. Instead, for profits like CCC, flood our markets with individuals who would have never been a RDH 20 years ago because there was no mill schools around to take such people in.

If you ask me the reason CA now accepts WREB is probably due in part from lobbying from schools like CCC who knew the only chance for their students to pass would be by avoiding the CA DH board

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Phillip in San Jose, California

26 months ago

RDH in Los Angeles, California said:
If you ask me the reason CA now accepts WREB is probably due in part from lobbying from schools like CCC who knew the only chance for their students to pass would be by avoiding the CA DH board

Actually, having spoken to both RDH instructors and program directors from Foothill and Cabrillo colleges, they've told me the major contributing influence regarding the problems being talked about in this thread (decreasing pay, for-profit schools, over-saturation of RDHs...)that hygienists are facing are a direct result of the doctors. The doctors have enormous sway with COMDA regarding policy and the direction of the industry and the roles of the auxiliaries. In other words, you better believe it's in the best interest of the doctors that these for-profit schools continue to exist and pump out students. It benefits the doctors because the pool of available "qualified" workers is increased which decreases their market value (ie. wages) and saving money is an absolute priority to most doctors.

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Michael ST00 in Sacramento, California

25 months ago

Hi guys,

I wish I had come across this forum before I made my decision going into the DH program. I just got accepted into the DH at SCC, and starting this August. It is my second attempt to get into the program. I have made my payments to the program(which is non-refoundable), then found some posts here about limit job opportunity for hygienists nowadays. This is kind of sad. I read from Occupational Outlook Handbook and it says the job growth for dental hygienist would increase around 36%, which is faster than average, by 2018. With this information, I kept going full pace hopefully to get into the DH program. If the reality is job opportunity for dental hygienists might be keen these days, my payment is already made so there is no turning back :P . Here come your future dental hygienist!!!!

Good luck to all in life, peace

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Michael ST00 in Sacramento, California

25 months ago

guest in Oakland, California said: The BLS has been thoroughly discredited as a reliable source of employment prediction. If their 2008 to 2018 IT growth prediction was correct then we would have had an over 20% increase in IT employment in 2012 than in 2008 when in reality we had a net decrease.

Thank you for sharing your information. As I read from OOH and many other non-profit organizations' website, even from the StudentScholarship's website, all the information is similar. They all are pointing toward the positive side of the growth in the dental hygiene field. But I am still very confused at this point. Why all the information we get is leading us into a dead-end career? If you have any source that might provide more accurate information regarding the outcome of any career, please share it with us and I would personally appreciate it a lot. I don't want be lured into the wrong direction or a career that has no future.

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kburns in Sheridan, California

25 months ago

I see the field as very impacted right now and extremely competitive for the few jobs that do become available, making it almost impossible to get a job. I don't see this changing until the economy is flourishing and most people have insurance again. Right now people are so strapped for cash and have lost their jobs or benefits that they can't afford the dentist and only come in if it hurts, which means they will choose paying the electric bill over a cleaning. Most new offices are not using RDH's and a lot are going to strait commission or hourly pay for only the hours there are patients scheduled, which makes it very hard to control your monthly budget. The salaries have definitely dropped for a lot of places and benefits are almost a thing of the past; hopefully, RDH's continue to only work for places that are paying them at least 33% of total production as that is what you are worth at a minimum!

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Superfluous RDH in Ottawa, Ontario

25 months ago

The comments above are very accurate. It's a combination of things that are working against the hygiene field. For sure, the economy plays a part in our employment--no dental insurance so no $ for hygiene, or anything else for that matter--but it's also coming from the plethora of hygiene schools graduating too many DH's, (we're now a dime a dozen), from dentists wanting to save a buck and doing the work themselves (or by hiring an assistant with the scaling module), and there are probably lots of other factors as well.
If I were doing research on whether I should get into hygiene, I would phone up a number of dental practices and ask the hygienists if I could job shadow. That would give the chance to ask those in the field what it's really like. I'm sure they'd love to vent. GL

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exp in Hampton, New Hampshire

25 months ago

Whether or not people don't have insurance...there are too many schools, too many students (being dupped)and not enough work to go around for all. Even if the economy changes for the better, it , DH, will be oversaturated with RDH's for years...how many? I don't think that those still able to and enjoying there positions in offices will leave readily. The competition is backstabbing now and the unhealthy competition is one I don't wish on anyone. Re-think your choice if it's DH, unless you have it in writing or relatives in the field. It's a very costly learning experience.

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Placer County RDH in Placer County, California

25 months ago

I agree with all the above posts about the DH situation in all areas and I wanted to add one more thing I am seeing and hearing about that is abhorring; ETHICS!!!!! There is so much stress to produce, that I have seen both RDH's and DDS's fudge numbers to increase production. They say it just helps the patient get more insurance money to pay for better health. The other thing I am seeing is insurance fraud with billing insurance for laser gingivectomies to pay for laser therapy, this is sooo wrong!!!!! I am not in a situation to jeopardize my ability to get work and I just hope that karma gets those who have chosen to be unethical to make a dollar in tough times! I have lost positions and jobs because I will absolutely not perform any task that is unjustified and does not fall within my scope of practice. It's not worth risking your license for a $ today!!!!!!

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Placer County RDH in Placer County, California

25 months ago

guest in San Francisco, California said: One should be aware that it is only a matter of time before a BS degree will be required for almost all medical positions. If you go to a for profit trade school then your credits won't transfer to a 4 year school.

When is this supposed to happen and will those of us who have been working for many years with an AS in DH have to do this too? Where did you hear this and where would we keep abreast of this matter? Thank you!

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Placer County RDH in Placer County, California

25 months ago

One more thing...Ethics or lack of them is why you would be lead into a dead end career. Someone needs to keep the numbers up in order to keep their job and any costs in some cases. It is unfortunate that we need to be advocates for ourselves in EVERYTHING we do in life!

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