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Amy in Milwaukee, Wisconsin

72 months ago

I'm planning on starting school in 2 months for an esthiology program at an Aveda Institute.

I have always struggled with my own skin (acne) and therefore have interest in how to take care of it properly and pass my knowledge onto future clients via facials and such. Plus, I think doing treatments like herbal wraps mud wraps will be fun for me. I think I'd really enjoy helping others relax.

HOWEVER, and this may be a BIG however, I am NOT interested in makeup (I don't wear it myself, and am actually against it), I am NOT interested in waxing anything other than facial hair and I certainly do not want to wax other people's crotches. There is a reason God gave us crotch hair, I believe.

Am I picking the wrong career here?

Its just that at 28 years old, I can't think of any other career that I'd be passionate about. I'm vegan and Christian but can't seem to find a job that emcompasses those passions in the Orlando area. So, that left me with skin care. And specifically Aveda because they are so earth conscious and all products are not animals tested and contain no animal ingredients.

I know that if I work as an indepedent contractor and rent a room as an esthetician, I'd be able to be picky and simply NOT OFFER crotch waxing or makeup applications, but I DO NOT want to be self-employed. I'm recently coming off of being a self-employed promotional model and the self-employment taxes and necessary documentation of every little expense got quite annoying. SO, time for a change, I thought.

If anyone has ANY advice, please... don't hold back. I really need objective opinions before I spend $6400 at The Aveda Institute in Orlando.

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas

72 months ago

Let me give you some facts and you decide.

Most new esthys, in todays economy, are not finding work.

Most estheticians work as Independent Contractors. They are not salaried and are consider self-employed. So the papaerwork is still there.

To work as an IC most often requires the esty to have all necessary equipment or give up a larger percentage to the salon/spa. If you have to be out totally on your own I recommend needing a $30K investment.

Because of your not wanting to do certain services, I doubt if an employer would choose hiring you over someone that will do everything.

You may want to consider Massage Therapy as a way of helping people relax. Most also work as ICs, however.

Hope this helps.

Jeff

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Aveda student in Great Falls, Virginia

72 months ago

If the only thing you don't want to wax is the vajayjay then you might be ok. But that means you'd have to wax backs, legs, and arms along with facial hair. I'm not sure how well the school would take it but good luck with that. Just make sure you know your time limit of when you can back out without having to continue paying for the school. Good luck.

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Candiss in Arlington Heights, Illinois

71 months ago

As an esty waxing is kind of your bread and butter. It's fast and profitable. Most salon spas will want you to wax but if you work on the medical side as I do I just laser it away.

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Ames in Seymour, Indiana

71 months ago

Its hard to take you seriously when you've misspelled so many words.

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Esthetician in Houston, Texas

71 months ago

Sorry Ames in Seymour am from other country and i live in Amerika only few years and it's realy not nice from you to judge me like that. You dont know me at all.Maybe you should try to go to other country and learn other language so you can see that it's not easy at all.All i wonted to do is help Amy and tell her how i felt and i am sure she can understand my words.

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Kaylee in Orlando, Florida

68 months ago

Hi Amy. Did you start school at the Aveda school in Orlando? I am thinking about going into the skincare field and would like to know what your experience was like there. Thanks!!!

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Amy Lynn in Winter Park, Florida

68 months ago

Kaylee in Orlando, Florida said: Hi Amy. Did you start school at the Aveda school in Orlando? I am thinking about going into the skincare field and would like to know what your experience was like there. Thanks!!!

I just finished my second week at Aveda Institute in Winter Park, FL. The program is quite intense, but I am very glad I decided to go into this field. Aveda as a company is in alignment with my core beliefs and I am very excited to be part of such an environmentally conscious company. They source the ingredients for there products in a manner that integrates fair trade and labor practices. So when you buy something Aveda, you can feel good about it because you are very likely helping out various indigenous peoples throughout the world. This past week I learned that Aveda went without Sandalwood for a period of about 3 years because they found out that their source was practicing unfair trade... so it took them 3 years to find another source that would incorporate fair trade in its business practices.

Moreover, if you're an animal advocate like me (I'm vegan), you'll be happy to know that Aveda does not promote nor conduct animal testing on ANY of its products nor on any of the ingredients in any of its products.

That said, my instructor has advised me to be flexible when interviewing at spas upon my graduation. She stated that once you start working for a spa, you will gradually be able to be more and more picky about what you will and won't do. Partly because of seniority and partly because there may be another esthetician working there that LOVES makeup and doesn't mind the Brazillian waxing.

Generally speaking, I highly recommend Aveda as a company and as a school.

Before starting school, I was unsure about whether or not esthiology was for me... but now, after just 2 weeks of school, I know I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be.

Amen to that!

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Mz. E in Springfield, Virginia

68 months ago

Greetings, This reply may not be timely, but I hope that you decided to go ahead and do what you love. I'm in VA and esthetics has some big problems. I spent 12K for 600 hours, BUT I am still not allowed to do microdermabrasion or chemical peels - of any kind. VA has a 2-tier system put in place by school owners. You are required to take an additional 600 hours now at 14K in order to become a "Master Esthetician" so you can provide the other services. Three years ago there was NO license in VA. If I had thought it through, I might have moved to Florida (which I love) and paid $6400, got my license and lived happily ever after. BTW, I don't do make up or Hoo-hoos either. I do have my own treatment room and I hustle but for me it's OK. Best of Luck to you.

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DenverEsty in Denver, Colorado

66 months ago

Amy in Milwaukee, Wisconsin said: I'm planning on starting school in 2 months for an esthiology program at an Aveda Institute.

I have always struggled with my own skin (acne) and therefore have interest in how to take care of it properly and pass my knowledge onto future clients via facials and such. Plus, I think doing treatments like herbal wraps mud wraps will be fun for me. I think I'd really enjoy helping others relax.
HOWEVER, and this may be a BIG however, I am NOT interested in makeup (I don't wear it myself, and am actually against it), I am NOT interested in waxing anything other than facial hair and I certainly do not want to wax other people's crotches. There is a reason God gave us crotch hair, I believe.
If anyone has ANY advice, please... don't hold back. I really need objective opinions before I spend $6400 at The Aveda Institute in Orlando.

After you graduate look and see if there is a FaceLogic in your area. This is a company that works only on the Face in the terms of facial services and facial waxing. no underarms or brazilians or anything like that. They use the Sue Devitt makeup line. I LOVE makeup but I DO NOT like that makeup line even slightly. So i never focused on it, and that was ok with my boss. My sales and upgrades were awesome so she didnt really give me a hard time about not selling makeup. The only drawback is doing ONLY facials and facial waxing gets OLD REAL fast. hope this helps?

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marie_007 in Phoenix, Arizona

59 months ago

hi guys.. just want any point of view from anybody here please..
Because it's been a year thinking of what career path should I take. I find cosmetology interesting yet, I don't like curling because it is too tactical... So I learned about ESTHETICS.. and I think this will suits me since I like make-up and enhancing oneself. But I have one great problem which I hesitate to proceed, since I don't have a nice skin. All over my body I have skin condition called Pityriases. Will this hinder me of getting a job in the future?I am even scarred of having one on one skin treatment on the class in the future.. 2 months from now I'll be on training...But I know I am clean and neat as a person ,and this is not contiguous.I also anticipate what will my client say about my skin in the future... please any help of advice...thank you..

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fv in Fairfax Station, Virginia

59 months ago

if your good at what you do it shouldn't be an issue. If your concerned about it look into natural remedies. Make sure you are eating healthy (drinking lots of water, veggies, fruits, fish, eggs, beans, meat, nuts, whole milk, greek yogurt, no sugary foods or white carbs, eat every two to three hours) excercise to get your blood to circulate, flax seed oil is great to take for skin so are GNC's women's ultra mega vitamins.

Topically:
- Comfrey (Symphytum officinale) (Fresh)
- Aloe Vera gel (Fresh)
- Evening Primrose Oil
- Chickweed (Fresh) - Acts like an ice pack taking the heat out of your skin & soothes & relieves irritation.
- Slippery Elm: Mix a teaspoon with warm water into a gruel (1 teaspoon makes at least 250ml)
- Witch Hazel

www.home-remedies-for-you.com/articles/150/medicines-and-remedies/home-remedies-for-pityriasis-rosea.html

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marie_007 in Phoenix, Arizona

59 months ago

thank you so much FV , this is very helpful and encouraging..

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kat in Pinellas Park, Florida

54 months ago

Esthetician in Houston, Texas said: Sorry Ames in Seymour am from other country and i live in Amerika only few years and it's realy not nice from you to judge me like that. You dont know me at all.Maybe you should try to go to other country and learn other language so you can see that it's not easy at all.All i wonted to do is help Amy and tell her how i felt and i am sure she can understand my words.
What country ? Most of the students at my school are Asian and they only take the nail class and then work nail spas,putting on fake nails,manicures and pedicures.They work fast and long hours,sometimes 7 days a week.You might take the full specialist class so you can cut hair,do nails and esthetician work.Still you might need another job that pays by the hour.

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Leah in Middleton, Wisconsin

54 months ago

Mz. E in Springfield, Virginia said: Greetings, This reply may not be timely, but I hope that you decided to go ahead and do what you love. I'm in VA and esthetics has some big problems. I spent 12K for 600 hours, BUT I am still not allowed to do microdermabrasion or chemical peels - of any kind. VA has a 2-tier system put in place by school owners. You are required to take an additional 600 hours now at 14K in order to become a "Master Esthetician" so you can provide the other services. Three years ago there was NO license in VA. If I had thought it through, I might have moved to Florida (which I love) and paid $6400, got my license and lived happily ever after. BTW, I don't do make up or Hoo-hoos either. I do have my own treatment room and I hustle but for me it's OK. Best of Luck to you.

I don't understand something. I live in Wisconsin. A Backwards state.. there are no Medical Esthetic.. Courses near by anywhere. To me that would be a hot area.. the Medical Aspect and an extension of or another option. I don't have the money to travel to take one..

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Aveda Grad in Lakeland, Florida

50 months ago

I have to say... The education at The Aveda Inst. was GREAT, but if you ever move on to a spa that does not carry the Aveda products, you are out of luck. Aveda ONLY teaches you there way. Don't get me wrong I love the products but they don't give you many choices when you graduate. Also, microderm, chemical peels and laser treatments are what is popular and growing fast. You do not get any training in them. Also working for an Aveda Salon and spa, there are rules to how you will be paid. Either hourly or at the most 50% commish. So growing your bus. can only go so far. No booth rentals while working for Aveda! I did not know any of this beore starting school at the Winter Park Aveda Inst. I graduated 2 yrs ago and still having a hard time building steady clients. Money is a BIG issue for a lot of people and they see skin care as not needed. Now I am thinking of going back to school to do laser treatments. good luck to all the skin care

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas

50 months ago

Aveda Grad in Lakeland, Florida said: I have to say... The education at The Aveda Inst. was GREAT, but if you ever move on to a spa that does not carry the Aveda products, you are out of luck. Aveda ONLY teaches you there way. Don't get me wrong I love the products but they don't give you many choices when you graduate.

This is a major concern that I have with Aveda Schools. Good education must be objective. Aveda offers, which I feel is a subjective view ... teaching their techniques and philosophies which greatly limits graduates in their knowledge base as well as modalities and treatments and greatly shortchanges the student from obtaining a rounded and objective education.

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HoneyHoney21 in Cincinnati, Ohio

50 months ago

I looked into the aveda institute in cincinnati...i went for an interview they told me they dont teach bazillian waxing which I would like to learn. I also dont plan on using aveda as a product or working in an aveda spa.

another school i checked in to offers managing esthetican and nail tech thats what i really wanted was the combo which aveda didnt offer.

Hope im making the right decsion

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valerie in Studio City, California

50 months ago

Amy,

It is possible to work in a spa that does not require you to do make-up or waxing, however it is rare. You're best bet would probably be to get into a medical spa, acne clinic or dermatologist. I will say that those jobs are not easy to come by, at least from my experience. I don't know what the market in Wisconsin is like, a good way to tell is to search jobs on Craigslist for a few weeks and see what comes up.

If you're heart is set on Aveda school than go for it, but that is a lot of money even for a private school. I received a great education at a community college, all i had to pay for were books and my kit, less than $1000. No one has ever asked me on a job interview where I went to school, they just wanted to see my current license.

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dareya2bedif in Memphis, Tennessee

42 months ago

I have a couple suggestions for the person with Pityriases. You might want to try a chlorine filter for your shower if you don't already have one. It's amazing how chlorine and flouride can aggravate skin conditions.

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anon in Camarillo, California

38 months ago

Ames in Seymour, Indiana said: Its hard to take you seriously when you've misspelled so many words.

hahahaha, i was thinking the same thing. "dramatic reading of a forum post"

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Bobbarita in Bradenton, Florida

37 months ago

valerie in Studio City, California said: Amy,

It is possible to work in a spa that does not require you to do make-up or waxing, however it is rare. You're best bet would probably be to get into a medical spa, acne clinic or dermatologist. I will say that those jobs are not easy to come by, at least from my experience. I don't know what the market in Wisconsin is like, a good way to tell is to search jobs on Craigslist for a few weeks and see what comes up.

If you're heart is set on Aveda school than go for it, but that is a lot of money even for a private school. I received a great education at a community college, all i had to pay for were books and my kit, less than $1000. No one has ever asked me on a job interview where I went to school, they just wanted to see my current license.

I totally agree. I am an RN (I maintain a valid license and CEU's but I haven't practiced in 8 years). I have decided to pursue a career as an esthetician. The basic requirement is a license and that can be obtained at minimal cost and training at any state or county funded technical training facility and/or community college. I'm just astounded at the "private" schools and institutes that charge students astronomical prices for the same credential. My perception is that most students are young, easy impressed and gullible so they end up paying over the top for these schools which convincingly market themselves and turn a huge profit. It's always "buyer beware" even in technical training or education. IMO these "schools" are a major profitable rip-off.

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Spooky08 in Tampa, Florida

35 months ago

I agree! Americans forget what it is like to learn another language, I am American but have traveled to other countries and I know how hard it is to communicate in a foreign language much less write in that language! Give people a break. No one is perfect.

Esthetician in Houston, Texas said: Sorry Ames in Seymour am from other country and i live in Amerika only few years and it's realy not nice from you to judge me like that. You dont know me at all.Maybe you should try to go to other country and learn other language so you can see that it's not easy at all.All i wonted to do is help Amy and tell her how i felt and i am sure she can understand my words.[/QUOTE

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EducatedEsthetician in California

34 months ago

Paulie - try these. Not sure if any are close enough

Hill College in Hillsboro
Kilgore College in Longview
North Central Texas College

EE

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Paulie in Flower Mound, Texas

34 months ago

Thank you for the recommendations EE!!! :)
I think NCTC is near me :)

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hairy beev in Debary, Florida

30 months ago

this is a reply to: "Esthetician in Houston, Texas 41 months ago"

after all that money & schooling you went through you still can't manage to spell 5th grade words. waxing peoples rump sounds like the only job you might be able to handle.

& for AMY.

my friend (highly attractive promo model & bikini model) is also a full service esthetician. She went to a great school & learned it all, waxing makeup & hair. she cannot find a job to save her life. She is forced to work at hooters, winghouse & strip clubs because nobody wants to hire a service professional that doesnt perform ALL the services. if you arnt going to do full waxing & refuse to learn makeup & whine about the vegan thing YOU WILL NOT GET HIRED. save your money & learn something usefull. people arnt spending money on waxing there crotch in a down economy. go work at a hotel & pull trix out of the empty rooms.

the point i am getting at is this....

why pay thousands of dollars to be schooled in a field as completely useless & non thriving business as the one you have chosen. If you are not going to commit 100% to your career then just go wait some tables at dennys or flash ur mellonz at hooters. because the truth is if you will not perform your JOB as an esthetician then you have no reason to be one. It doesnt take a professor to figure out that in a down morket you need a job/career that people must have. FOR EXAMPLE: nurse, vet tech, elderly care... ect.. the hotel,food & medical field are always a great field in any economy & they have much better benefits & the steady pay outperforms the summer boom of the crotch waxing industry. commit or quit. period.

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Spooky08 in Tampa, Florida

30 months ago

Wow, one to talk about not being able "to spell 5th grade words" when your post was not exactly the poster child for good language, spelling, or grammar. Not sure why people on here feel the need to be so mean, but clearly you have bad karma. Give people on the forum a break!

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Esty in Austin, Texas

30 months ago

@ Spooky08 Haha! I still read some of these forums but rarely participate. It amazes me how rude and arrogant these people can be. And they are in a business that is supposed to be helping people to improve their self esteem through personal care... Wow.

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Esty in Austin, Texas

30 months ago

hairy beev in Debary, Florida said: this is a reply to: "Esthetician in Houston, Texas 41 months ago"

after all that money & schooling you went through you still can't manage to spell 5th grade words. waxing peoples rump sounds like the only job you might be able to handle.

& for AMY.

my friend (highly attractive promo model & bikini model) is also a full service esthetician. She went to a great school & learned it all, waxing makeup & hair. she cannot find a job to save her life. She is forced to work at hooters, winghouse & strip clubs because nobody wants to hire a service professional that doesnt perform ALL the services. if you arnt going to do full waxing & refuse to learn makeup & whine about the vegan thing YOU WILL NOT GET HIRED. save your money & learn something usefull. people arnt spending money on waxing there crotch in a down economy. go work at a hotel & pull trix out of the empty rooms.

the point i am getting at is this....

why pay thousands of dollars to be schooled in a field as completely useless & non thriving business as the one you have chosen. If you are not going to commit 100% to your career then just go wait some tables at dennys or flash ur mellonz at hooters. because the truth is if you will not perform your JOB as an esthetician then you have no reason to be one. It doesnt take a professor to figure out that in a down morket you need a job/career that people must have. FOR EXAMPLE: nurse, vet tech, elderly care... ect.. the hotel,food & medical field are always a great field in any economy & they have much better benefits & the steady pay outperforms the summer boom of the crotch waxing industry. commit or quit. period.

YOU, are a real piece of work. Perhaps you should revisit your post and see just how awful your grammar, sentence structure and professional attitude are...

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Spooky08 in Fuquay Varina, North Carolina

30 months ago

I know. I agree completely. We are all in a profession where we are supposed to be compassionate and kind to customers yet we beat each other up on these forums! I think we all can make our points with respect and diplomacy instead of attacking each other.

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lifeislife in Hemet, California

27 months ago

I 18 going to be 19 and I am currently in a local massage school, but I want to do massage on the side but I want a secure office job where I know I am going to get a paycheck. I'm actually thought Master esthetic seemed interesting helping get rid of cellulite,Chemical exfoliation, resurfacing and peels. I really wanna focus on cellulite treatments and chemical exfoliation and peels. I know I have to take esthetic then move up to Mater esthetic. I'm thinking in about a year to apply to bellus acedemy they offer the courses. Thing is once I finish Master esthetic I want to be able to get a job fast and make money. I want to work for a company/business not on my own. Is it hard finding jobs after you graduate? How much do you make? Is it a fun career? Is it difficult? Do you regret it? Sorry for all the question I'm a lost kid here, I just want a stable fun good paying job. I know its alot to ask for but I can dream :) please help

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas

27 months ago

lifeislife in Hemet, California said: I know I have to take esthetic then move up to Mater esthetic. I'm thinking in about a year to apply to bellus acedemy they offer the courses. Thing is once I finish Master esthetic I want to be able to get a job fast and make money. I want to work for a company/business not on my own. Is it hard finding jobs after you graduate? How much do you make? Is it a fun career? Is it difficult? Do you regret it? Sorry for all the question I'm a lost kid here, I just want a stable fun good paying job. I know its alot to ask for but I can dream :) please help

To my knowledge Calif does not have a master License.

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Esty in Austin, Texas

27 months ago

Actually, CA does have a Master License program. Google it. They didn't have it one time but do now.

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas

27 months ago

Esty in Austin, Texas said: Actually, CA does have a Master License program. Google it. They didn't have it one time but do now.

Actually, according to the California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology (which I talked directly to), it does not have a Master Esthetician License Program, Nor does it offer such license. It only has the regular 600 hour esthetic program and license which is similar to Texas.

If there are schools offering this program in Calif and telling people that they will be a Calif. State licensed Master Esty. they are being deceptive.

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Spooky08 in Fuquay Varina, North Carolina

27 months ago

It is not actually a scam that some of the schools offer a Master Program, it is just advanced training. I was in one that some schools offered Paramedical Programs (after your initial licensing), Master, and just Advanced Esthetics. All you need to work in your state is the required hours for your state, these further education programs are just that, they further your education.

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas

27 months ago

Spooky08 in Fuquay Varina, North Carolina said: It is not actually a scam that some of the schools offer a Master Program, it is just advanced training. I was in one that some schools offered Paramedical Programs (after your initial licensing), Master, and just Advanced Esthetics. All you need to work in your state is the required hours for your state, these further education programs are just that, they further your education.

Offering a post-graduate program is different from a program which is promoted with the term "Licensed Master". There are many good post graduate programs. However, I would only recommend these AFTER obtaining your license and being in the field. Then you may have a better understanding
as to what these different programs are and what they offer.

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Spooky08 in Fuquay Varina, North Carolina

27 months ago

I meant I was in one state that offered many of these programs, after you get your initial license.

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nurseblondie in Houston, Texas

27 months ago

I apologize for a slight change in the topic, but I am an RN looking to get into esthetics. Jeff, I believe in another forum you may have mentioned Dr. Rinehart? I have been looking into an apprenticeship in Killeen. Forgive me if I am mistaken, but if you are familiar with this in any way could you tell me if I am headed in the right direction?

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas

27 months ago

I believe you are referring to Anna D. Rinehart who is an RN, Cedisco Diplomat, Esthetician and medical esthetician. She heads a program called FACE and has a medical esthetics program which is offered through a hospital, and is in Killeen. She posts here regularly.

Tried to post her website but forum won't let me.
Might google "Medical Aesthetics FACE"

Jeff

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas

27 months ago

nurseblondie in Houston, Texas said: I apologize for a slight change in the topic, but I am an RN looking to get into esthetics. Jeff, I believe in another forum you may have mentioned Dr. Rinehart? I have been looking into an apprenticeship in Killeen. Forgive me if I am mistaken, but if you are familiar with this in any way could you tell me if I am headed in the right direction?

I believe you are referring to Anna D. Rinehart. She is also in Killeen.
Do a google search for "Medical Esthetics FACE"

Jeff

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Nurseblondie in La Grange, Texas

27 months ago

Wow! Thats awsome! I printed out all the info off the website and am thinking about sending in an application! I'm very excited. Would you recomend the internship in Killeen as apposed to trying to find a physician that would do on the job training? Thanks for the info!
....hmmm-my phone seems to think im in La Grange now lol

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Jude L in Mumbai, India

27 months ago

I don't think you're being unrealistic at all! The issues that you seem to have with this profession can be sorted, don't make a big deal out of it. You'll have to compromise a little in any profession you choose.

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geeta in Calgary, Alberta

26 months ago

hi I wanted too know is it a good idea to open esthetic school only for ladies

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LIana in Arlington Heights, Illinois

21 months ago

hey where is AH do you work. have been looking for a medical in this area but didnt succeed finding one. would you be able to tell me where your located

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