Dermaplaning

I'm very new to Aesthetics about to start school in July at the International Academy College of Aesthetics. From there i was thinking about going to the International Laser Institute to be laser certified as well. But nothing i have been reading up on has to do with dermaplaning and i heard you have to be an RN. Is this true?
Thanks everyone

Audrey Penksa in Scottsdale, Arizona said: I'm very new to Aesthetics about to start school in July at the International Academy College of Aesthetics. From there i was thinking about going to the International Laser Institute to be laser certified as well. But nothing i have been reading up on has to do with dermaplaning and i heard you have to be an RN. Is this true?
Thanks everyone

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas said: I can't answer because of indeeds filter

I don't understand?! What would they filter out?

there is something called a Master Esthetician that includes laser certified and dermaplaning, microdermabrasions and a little more that I can't remember(class is 600hrs. The school that i know who offer it is called The Institute of health and Healing a private school in Newport News, VA.
I am relocating to miami, Fl and i been asking schools about the Master Esthetician and some haven't heard of it. So I believe it is the state and city you are in and what they have that is most common or avaiable. In miami I hear from one source for their students they get into a clinic and they teach them how to do the laser procedure and etc.. so another alternative.
JUST LOOK UP MASTER ESTHETICIAN it will explain it they are they one's who work in the clinics of dermatologist offices and other clinics.

Audrey in Scottsdale, Arizona said: I don't understand?! What would they filter out?

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kat in Newport News, Virginia said: there is something called a Master Esthetician that includes laser certified and dermaplaning, microdermabrasions and a little more that I can't remember(class is 600hrs. The school that i know who offer it is called The Institute of health and Healing a private school in Newport News, VA.
I am relocating to miami, Fl and i been asking schools about the Master Esthetician and some haven't heard of it. So I believe it is the state and city you are in and what they have that is most common or avaiable. In miami I hear from one source for their students they get into a clinic and they teach them how to do the laser procedure and etc.. so another alternative.
JUST LOOK UP MASTER ESTHETICIAN it will explain it they are they one's who work in the clinics of dermatologist offices and other clinics.

The only state that I know which offers a Master Esthetician's License is the State of Utah. I looked at the above web site..but can not find any reference to a Master Esthetician Program.

Jeff

call them at 757-595-7757 they have it. I don't know the web address. And I'am sure other states has it as well,but I believe searching for those things sometimes is a quite a bit of research. I'am still searching in Miami, FL as we chat.

Can anyone give me information on going through a dermaplaning seminar? I am in Esthetics currently (they dont teach it in my state), am an RN so I am just trying to find training in Indiana. Can anyone help?

Can you tell me why you want to offer this?

You should also check with YOUR state's regulatory body to see if you can even DO dermaplaning in your state. I know it is NOT allowed in California. Not for an esthetician of any expertise ability.
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Actually, I love the subject of Dermaplanning. Did you ever notice the uncanning similarity between it and a service provided by barbers (which are usually the only ones allowed to do it) in most states?

Does anybody know if the dermaplaning is allowed to do by estheticians in Texas? I was going take the class next month.

Check with the Texas State board that governs beauty services...

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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas said: Can you tell me why you want to offer this?

Jeff,
Were you writing to me regarding why dermaplaning?

I do know in class today regarding dermaplaning, who can and cant do it. They mentioned barbers being able to use blades.

This is really a great subject for debate because there are many arguments on both sides. If you find that it is not permitted, email me and I will tell you what do do to get the same results using two accepted procedures. I can't remember what the TDLR's (Texas Department of Licensing & Regulation) position.

Your first question should be are cosmetologists performing a pedicure permitted to use a credo blade? If they are not, chances are they will not allow Dermaplanning as both would plane the surface of the skin.

If the person does not understand what Dermaplanning is, describe it as "a mechanical means of exfoliation of the top of the strtum corneum through scrapping with a flat-edged instrument."

AKline said: Jeff,
Were you writing to me regarding why dermaplaning?

Yes.

Thank you for your interest. Our website has been under construction due to recent growth. I would love to speak with you about your choices and options. Please email me your phone number and a good time to contact you at aestheticscareerdevelopment@yahoo.com

Currently enrolled in a Master Aesthetician course and have already done the microderabrasion portion as well as Derma Planing and absolutely loved it..we only got a short hands on instruction on the Leveling and would have liked to have done more loved doing it as well as the results I got on myself from other students.

I too want to learn dermaplaning. Where to purchase the blade, what size and all that. Any one know?

Hi Audrey. I believe by now you have your answer about dermaplaning--if not, the answer is YES, you can provide this service as a licensed aesthetician in the state of Arizona. I actually sell a brand new patented blade created by an aesthetician. It has many benifits compared to current blades. Please contact me for more information:
htorgers@hotmail.com. You will love this product!

You can buy dermaplanes at www.estetxus.com
This site is for aestheticians and the device is made for aesthetician.
FINALLY!

Great. Thank you! I'll research it this week. Congratulations to those who worked hard to market this product and make available to estheticians without physicians!

It is important to know your own state board rules about dermaplaning. Just because a company says it's made for esthetician use does not mean it's legal to use in your state.

Isabel Calleros in Phoenix, Arizona said: As soon as the state boards begin to realize that aesthetics is not just putting creams on the face they will see the benefits many non-invasive procedures and treatments have with modern day aesthetics.

State boards actually have no control on what is allowed. It is how the laws are written by the different state legislators. These laws define and create the limitations which the state board must operate. Even though most are allowed to create rules and regulations, they must work within the directions of the laws written.

What I find interesting, if not comical, is that those boards which do not permit "blading" allow barbers to use a straight razor and shave, and, although most blading advocates claim that they are different, IMO they are not. I guess these state boards in their infinite wisdom have decided that esthiticians can not be allowed to use sharp instruments (although barbers are). However, Cosmetologists are not allowed to shave the skin. It is not included in their description within the law. Only barbers are.

Facialists can pull hairs out at the roots on legs and underarms, but they can't shave them (which millions of women do every day). It's a crazy world!

Will any of you be offering the dermaplaning classes in Vegas this year at the IECSC in April?

Audrey Penksa in Scottsdale, Arizona said: I'm very new to Aesthetics about to start school in July at the International Academy College of Aesthetics. From there i was thinking about going to the International Laser Institute to be laser certified as well. But nothing i have been reading up on has to do with dermaplaning and i heard you have to be an RN. Is this true?
Thanks everyone

I attended the National Laser Institute in Scottsdale Arizona almost a year ago and have yet to find a "Laser Tech" position. I live in Texas and there is no law/certification required here. The Med Spas are taking it upon themselves (doctors, nurses, in house employees) to perform these potentially very dangerous laser procedures without being educated or trained. The average salary offered is $10/hr if you are lucky enough to find a job opening....based on alot of my own job search and research,and comminicating with my former classmates. We have all come to the conclusion that CEO and owner, Mr. Silverman of NLI, is a liar with alot of empty promises of finding a job and making an incredible amount of money,and has a pocket full of approx. $12,000.00 of my hard earned money and 100's of others. That is why I found this site...desperately trying to discover something else pertaining to skincare that I can add to my resume thus far, I am a liscense cosmetologist (which include being a certified Esthtetician)which almost ALL Laser Tech. job opening require. I highly discourage taking the Laser course right now. Considering the economy and other facts I mentioned, people ARE NOT spending their money on laser treatments at this time. When I see advertisement offering 1/2 price for a laser procedure, that tells me alot. Good luck to you and I wish you luck!!!!

margieruffino@gmail.com in College Station, Texas said: I attended the National Laser Institute in Scottsdale Arizona almost a year ago and have yet to find a "Laser Tech" position. I live in Texas and there is no law/certification required here. !!!

FYI That is about to change. It is my understanding that there will be either a TX state licensing or certification as well as state testing.

Audrey Penksa in Scottsdale, Arizona said: I'm very new to Aesthetics about to start school in July at the International Academy College of Aesthetics. From there i was thinking about going to the International Laser Institute to be laser certified as well. But nothing i have been reading up on has to do with dermaplaning and i heard you have to be an RN. Is this true?
Thanks everyone

No you do not have to be an RN, not in the state of Arizona. Are you dermaplaning now? if so, I tried a new disposable dermaplane blade that is AWESOME!! Go to www.estetxus.com and you can check it out. I think it's lighter and you get better results. I think the metal handle is bulky and this one is not...

Just curious if anyone in the Virginia area has taken the Master Aesthetician theory test yet and if so, any advice?

I am a laser tech at a local medspa and I just asked the aesthetician I work with about dermaplanning and she is doing it and just started using the estetx device and loves it! She said it was created by an aesthetician for aestheticians and she feels much more at ease using this device because of it's rounded tip and light weight and her/our patients love the results!

Trish in Yorktown, Virginia said: Just curious if anyone in the Virginia area has taken the Master Aesthetician theory test yet and if so, any advice?

Hey Trish,
Took the exam & failed it recently. Many questions are not found in text book used by school Miladys Adv. Theory od Esthetics. I consider myself pretty inteeligent but the test was difficult. Sylvia

Sylvia in Chesapeake, Virginia said: Hey Trish,
Took the exam & failed it recently. Many questions are not found in text book used by school Miladys Adv. Theory od Esthetics. I consider myself pretty inteeligent but the test was difficult. Sylvia

If they are not found in the mentioned text, where are they found? Do you remember any of them.

Sylvia in Chesapeake, Virginia said: Hey Trish,
Took the exam & failed it recently. Many questions are not found in text book used by school Miladys Adv. Theory od Esthetics. I consider myself pretty inteeligent but the test was difficult. Sylvia

I have not taken it as of yet just got my transcripts and getting ready to send them in to take the test. Sorry to hear it did not go well. All I have been told is that the questions are based mainly off my first year book of Milady "Basic Esthetics" that I had for my esthetician class. I am not feeling real comfy on what I should be studying for at this point. Do you remember at all what the questions were based on?

Check out www.ESTEtxUS.com for dermaplaning products and information.

Jeff B in Dallas, Texas said: Actually, I love the subject of Dermaplanning. Did you ever notice the uncanning similarity between it and a service provided by barbers (which are usually the only ones allowed to do it) in most states?

I Love results from dermaplaning...You say it is illegal in Ca, I know aestheticians can not do dermabrasion (Doc's only)But so many Doctors offices and med soa;s offer dermaplaning as part of the biomedic micropeel..seems to me if there is a physician on staff it is permitted????? Esty's can do microdermabrasion which is also mechanical??? HELP JEFF...

In California, no esthetician may take any blade to the skin. Not even with a physician there. Additionally, there is no insurance that I know of that would cover any liability arising from a dermaplaning mishap. Not medical mal-practice or esthetic insurance. Does not matter what one is taught. What matters is what you can lose your license over...should you get caught.

I do agree that estheticians with the proper training should be able to do the more advanced procedures such as dermaplaning. Insurance companies will cover only what your state allows you to do under their rules and regulations. If DP is allowed in AZ, then certainly your insurance would cover an unfortunate mishap. I mean this is a razor-sharp scalpel type of instrument, that can do great harm in the hands of the un, or under-trained esthetician. I certainly favor uniform education throughout the nation, with perhaps a two-tiered license, such as the way they do it in Utah. One for those who only want to do the basics in esthetics, and those who want to do more advanced procedures would go on to the 1200 hour national curriculum. We need to attend our state board meetings if at all possible and present these issues before that board.

I understand what you both of your responses, but I think it is odd that in Southern Ca area I know of so many Dr.s offices (derm & plastics) that offer biomedic micropeel, which of course, incorporated dermaplaning. These services our on the menu and performed by aestheticians. Apparantly the board does not check in on the se types of establishments and only spas????? CRAZY!

Yes, I do know that many physicians offices are doing this procedure. They may be unaware of the liability issues involved with having an esthetician doing the procedure rather than an RN. I was trained here in Ca on the La Roche-Posay MicroPeel and MicroPeel Plus procedures, and did them in one office (Med-spa where the doc is a figure-head, and only comes in to sign charts once a week) thinking I was okay being in a med-spa. Now I work in a REAL cosmetic surgery center, and they actually checked their liability policy, and we can NOT do this procedure as estheticians. I think you are right that the boards are less likely to have issues with docs offices. They have their hands full trying to keep salons and spas in compliance. May never get caught, but if you do, you just have to weigh the consequences and decide if those are worth the risk...

To do all the things that you are all talking about, you MUST be a " A NURSE PRACTITIONER ". This is one step above a registered nurse. (RN). You cannot touch a persons face legally. You need medical insurance if you screw up, or you will be sued. You must take the all states tests to be licensed and certified as well.
and take the courses required for all the lasers, peels, dermabrasions, etc. This is not working in a spa. This is working in a the medical field ( in a plastic surgeons office as the first person posted.

I love this subject

Audrey Penksa in Scottsdale, Arizona said: I'm very new to Aesthetics about to start school in July at the International Academy College of Aesthetics. From there i was thinking about going to the International Laser Institute to be laser certified as well. But nothing i have been reading up on has to do with dermaplaning and i heard you have to be an RN. Is this true?
Thanks everyone

I am also in Scottsdale, and just completed school - In Arizona, you do not have to be an RN to practice dermaplaning. It should, hopefully however, be part of your training at the school you've chosen

Audrey Penksa in Scottsdale, Arizona said: I'm very new to Aesthetics about to start school in July at the International Academy College of Aesthetics. From there i was thinking about going to the International Laser Institute to be laser certified as well. But nothing i have been reading up on has to do with dermaplaning and i heard you have to be an RN. Is this true?
Thanks everyone

No......you do not have to be an RN. I am a Medical Esthetician/CMLT with 12yrs experience in the valley. Dermaplaning is an old school technique of exfoliation. I still perform the treatment mostly on clients who have tremendous velus hair. Your best bet is to find an esthetician willing to show you.

Isabel Calleros in Phoenix, Arizona said: Everyone is so concern about who can and can not do the procedure that they forget to realize that if you can properly train a nurse or medical personal to do the treatment then what makes the aesthetician less competent to do the procedure with the proper training. If a lay person such as a dental hygenist or a computer tech can take a 40 hour didacted course of laser with a 24 hour procedure course then there is something definetly wrong with the law. It's not like we are saying give a scapel to an untrained aesthetician. We are saying that if you can train a medical personal then you can train a skin care therapist. If you are an aesthetician reading this post, I challenge you to please put your two cents in and tell the country your thoughts on this issue. Are you untrainable to do dermaplaning? Are we that uncompetent to learn the procedure. Let's hear from the rest of you instead of the same people (like myself). I want to know what the rest of my colleagues think. Thanks Isabel

An esthetician is trained to analyse and treat skin. Although M.A and RN are trained medical prof. that does not make them able to do what (we) estheticians do. That's llike going to a GYNO for a foot issue. The fact that dermaplaning is performed with a scapel does not matter either way. Each area of medicine is specialized and requires special training. Anyone wanting to do esthetic treatments should go through the same required training as every esthetician.

Isabel Calleros in Scottsdale, Arizona said: Dermaplaning classes are important to any skin care professional eager to keep up with the latest trends in the skin care industry. New strides of bringing skin care training to the professionals have been implemented by Aesthetics Career Development in Scottsdale Arizona through DVD education. Dermplaning training videos and kits equipped with the tools necessary for treatment are available to licensed skin care professionals throughout the country on Aesthetics Career Development's website. Is it legal? You have to check with your local and state licensing departments. Most of these types of treatments are offered in clinical, medspas and physician offices. In the state of Arizona, licensed aesthetician are legally able to provide the service of dermaplaning through the Arizona State Board of Cosmetology.

As a 25 year aesthetics educator veteran, it is my belief that dermaplaning can be taught through a well instructed training DVD to those with a steady hand and a desire to learn. Don't be intimidated by the use of the blade. It is no different that misusing chemical peels or the tattooing machine for permanent makeup.

Isabel Calleros
Aesthetics Educator

I do not recomend people learning dermaplaning through a DVD because this is a very meticulous treatment and very delicate to perform. You want to be in front of a trainer when they are doing a demostration, to ask questions and to observe very well so you don't make any mistakes when you are to perform this treament. You want the trainer to observe your thecnic to make sure you do and understand how this treatment works. You need to observe, received and give this treatment so you really understand how the treatment works.

Conchita in National City, California said: I do not recomend people learning dermaplaning through a DVD because this is a very meticulous treatment and very delicate to perform. You want to be in front of a trainer when they are doing a demostration, to ask questions and to observe very well so you don't make any mistakes when you are to perform this treament. You want the trainer to observe your thecnic to make sure you do and understand how this treatment works. You need to observe, received and give this treatment so you really understand how the treatment works.

I've got to tell you that I love this subject ("Dermaplanning" which is also called other names as well.) I love it because it is the perfect example or marketing and misinformation. Did you know that this proceedure is not new? As a matter of fact it is very old. It can be documented back to the Bronze Age (circa 3500 B.C). I have a blade that dates back to around the late 40's -early 1950's (back before stainless steel and disposable blades. The tip is called a modified "French Point" (which is that the Swann Morton #14}

Why is it called "dermaplanning" (actually there are two reasons)? One reason relates to marketing and the other relates to the law and cosmetology.

Can you learn "Dermaplaning" from a DVD? Absolutely.
But, it's like anything learned in this field...it depends on the teacher. I would rather have a DVD of a master "dermaplaner" than attend a class with Mary Jones (although the best would be a combination which is a DVD of a master "dermaplaner condicting a class or participants).

Jeff

I meant condicting a class or participants).

Would you believe that I just found a blade which allows someone to do a planing procedure on themselves? Interesting. They range from 15 - 54 dollars. Now you know that I will just have to get one and test it out. LOL

Jeff

Jeff,

Might this also be called "skin leveling" or "shaving"? What other terms are people calling this?

My state's laws are very vague. Is this technique considered FDA approved? What class would the blades be considered?

Those are the answers I would have to know if my State Board questioned me. I've already had to go in front of them for the Lam Probe and educate them on what it truly is underneath its cover.

So far, those who are listed on this forum as trainers have not been able to answer my above questions. In fact, I've emailed isabella so many times last year that I gave up! Kyra from Estetxus.com and i have played phone tag so many times that I've told her just to answer my questions in an email....still no response!

If any of you could, I would appreciate it!