european estheticians vs. american estheticians |
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tiffany in Livonia, Michigan 58 months ago |
i have been practicing esthetics for the past three years and i have just recently run into a situation where the salon i booth rent space in was purchased by a european trained esthetician. she has made several comments about how superior her education is to mine and it i have taken this personally (i know i shouldn't but i did). not to mention she is not willing to share this vast wealth of information she has. i met the hour requirement for my state, passed my baords the first time, and carried a 95% gpa throughout my esthetic program in cosmetology school. what more am i to do? i have trained with aveda, repechage, biocella, and now i am learning academie. i go and have facials in different "european" spas and from what i noticed their technique is not different than mine. they have more expensive equipment, but that is about it. so what is all of the fuss? can someone please help me out, will i have to go to europe get some training and pickup an accent to be considered an esthetician among fellow estheticians? |
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karen in Farmington, Michigan 58 months ago |
well it sounds like she is just being rude, the nerve of her to insult your education. if i were you i would keep doing what you have been doing. keep your head up. |
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christel in Warrenville, Illinois 57 months ago |
tell her you did not ask her opinion so therefore she should keep her opinions to herself! |
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Liz in Marina Del Rey, California 56 months ago |
Then why is she "slumming" in Michigan instead of working her magic back in Europe? |
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Laura 56 months ago |
She obviously felt very insecure standing next to you...and probably for good reason! I was trained in both French and American skincare, and I can tell you that they are not better than we are; just different. Little Miss Insecure should mind her manners, smile, and keep her mouth shut. She's very lucky she can be working in the USA, unlike in Europe where 1/3 of what she makes goes to the government and she never sees it again. Regardless of this, unfortunately she now owns the salon where you currently work. If she doesn't shape up, you might have to take your considerable talents elsewhere. That would be a shame. Try to smile and get along, but if she continues to undercut you, find a better situation. Hope I helped! |
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Christina in Saint Petersburg, Florida 56 months ago |
i found a site that has extended training online in the international upgrade.
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Sharon in Rancho Palos Verdes, California 55 months ago |
From what I've heard, the training in Europe is much longer (5 years in some former Eastern European countries) and more intense. Here in the States we have one of the shortest training programs (600 hours!) in the world. But that doesn't mean you can't get advanced training or study on your own (like you have done). From what you said, it seems like you are way above the curve as it is so don't worry about what she says. |
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Yvette 55 months ago |
I've been an esthetician for 17 years and worked in many Salons. I will say the estheticians as well as hairstylists are very competitive. Be secure with yourself and be helpful to other estheticians, learn what you can from others and throw out what you don't like. techniques come with time. What sets an esthetician apart is her giving nature and a willingness to learn from others. She is not your only option, avoid negative people. You are a professional Esthetician best wishes on your career!!!! |
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jl982 in atlanta, Georgia 55 months ago |
I think this all will depend on how honest you are with yourself as to what is really bothering you. No one is better, so her implying that is just crass.
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denise in Brooklyn, New York 55 months ago |
have you considered consultant work. if interested contact me at denisebr1@at.net |
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Felicia in Homosassa, Florida 55 months ago |
This is an interesting subject.Europeans have been doing skin care a lot longer as The US has really only embraced skin care in the last 15 years or so. If you really want the credentials I would suggest to practice for 2 years ,attend skin care conventions,take advanced classes and get certified in any modalities you are interested in.Contact Cidesco and take the exam, this is the international standard of exellence for estheticians.
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Irene in Fort Worth, Texas 55 months ago |
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Esthetician in Schaumburg, Illinois 53 months ago |
Tell her to spell I CUP! Don't stress out, and watch Eddie Murphy Raw and picture her when he talks about dating a girl from Africa, it will make you laugh! Keep a sense of Humour through it all. Times are tough. |
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Georgia in Athens, Greece 53 months ago |
I don't know about estheticians in the rest of Europe, but I can tell you about the requirements here in Greece. First of all you need to score very highly on the national exams on subjects like biology and chemistry to get into the university. Then it's 7 semesters of classes (7 hours a day), many of which are dermatology, cosmetic chemisrty,anatomy, physiology, bioelectronics blah blah blah.After that theres a 6 month internship then you can get your lisence. there are of course simpler degrees but those are for assistants. Well i did all that and have been working for 8 years and my opinion is this. The knowledge you gain from work experience is far more beneficial than what you get from text books. Chances are the new owner probably knows more because she's older, so maybe you could tactfully remind her of that to get her of your back. But if it will make you feel more confident, then read up some more on the human body and how it works, especially the skin. Talk to dermatologists or get on cosmetic sites. Do your own research. Also, don't be afraid to use the termanology you know. Sometimes, using simple words makes us look simple.Finally, i know for a fact that americans are more friendly than snottty europeans so your at an advantage with the customers. Good luck....hope I helped |
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Esthetician in Schaumburg, Illinois 53 months ago |
We need more nice and positive Greek women working in the Spa Industry instead of snobby people. |
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Diana in Ocala in Ocala, Florida 53 months ago |
I would like to know where you go to get advanced certifications in FL. I have been licensed in FL for 2 years now and have not used my training. I would like to work part time under another esty before venturing out on my own. Please advise. |
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michele phelan in san francisco, California 53 months ago |
tiffany in Livonia, Michigan said: i have been practicing esthetics for the past three years and i have just recently run into a situation where the salon i booth rent space in was purchased by a european trained esthetician. she has made several comments about how superior her education is to mine and it i have taken this personally (i know i shouldn't but i did). not to mention she is not willing to share this vast wealth of information she has. Hello,
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Felicia in Crystal River, Florida 53 months ago |
Diana in Ocala in Ocala, Florida said: I would like to know where you go to get advanced certifications in FL. I have been licensed in FL for 2 years now and have not used my training. I would like to work part time under another esty before venturing out on my own. Please advise. Have you been out of the field for the whole 2 years? I would advise taking some classes in areas you are interested in and focus on one thing at a time. Camoes hires new people, we are full right now . I am considering offering advanced classes in a lot of different modalities in skincare as people have been approching me for quite a while now. I am in Crystal River, you can call me at the Ranch in Ocala, 352 861 8180 Good luck. |
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JJ in Gallatin, Tennessee 52 months ago |
Hello, I was curious if there is anyone out there doing esthetics in a booth rent situation. If so how is it? I am currently in a salon spa environment as an employee recieving about 50% commission which is normal in my area. My problem is after 2 1/2 years of working there I really don't like the owner. Since I am an employee I have no access to client information and very little say so in anything. I really want to have control over all aspects of my career and I don't agree with how some things are done. I don't mind the hard work being "self employed" but my only fear is that I won't make as much money and I can't really afford to take a long term pay cut. I was just curious is anyone is out there doing this. This is pretty common for hairstylists but I feel that it would be much more difficult as an aesthetician because out equipment is more expensive. I also understand success is also determined by many factors like location, price, and advertising. However I would love to hear from anyone that has any experience or advice. |
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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas 52 months ago |
Does the owner refer to you as an independent contractor or an employee? Jeff |
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JJ in Gallatin, Tennessee 52 months ago |
I am classified and reffered to as an employee. |
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Felicia in Homosassa, Florida 52 months ago |
If you can find a good booth rental situation out there, I think it is the best possible situation. Equipment is reasonable now if you buy stuff on line or at shows. Also you will need a good web site. Sometimes this takes a while to plan and set it up.You will love being able to do things your way and be able to write your own schedule.Is it worth the risk? Are you a person who has initiative and lots of energy and positivity, well go for it when you feel the time is right!! Good luck. |
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andrea sheaf in princeton, New Jersey 51 months ago |
Don't question your ability. Take it to another level. I personally recomend training with companies such as yonka and decelor. The training is intense and a bit overwhelming but you will look at skin care in a diffrent light. |
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lisa 51 months ago |
Woww.. U kno wat dont even mind her. U can prove urself to be the best esthetician out there u just cant be weak.. Being european has nothing to do with being a better esthetician than u or me. I went on an interview and the owner of the spa/salon told me that the best esthetician there was a korean girl and i thought to myself" okay, well im gonna have to work extra hard and try to make myself better than her" dont ever doubt urself. Just take more classes and go to seminars soo u cud learn diff ways to expand ur clientle and makeur self happy as well. |
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Magdaliny Dimoulakis in Chilhowee, Missouri 50 months ago |
Georgia in Athens, Greece said: I don't know about estheticians in the rest of Europe, but I can tell you about the requirements here in Greece. First of all you need to score very highly on the national exams on subjects like biology and chemistry to get into the university. Then it's 7 semesters of classes (7 hours a day), many of which are dermatology, cosmetic chemisrty,anatomy, physiology, bioelectronics blah blah blah.After that theres a 6 month internship then you can get your lisence. there are of course simpler degrees but those are for assistants. Well i did all that and have been working for 8 years and my opinion is this. The knowledge you gain from work experience is far more beneficial than what you get from text books. Chances are the new owner probably knows more because she's older, so maybe you could tactfully remind her of that to get her of your back. But if it will make you feel more confident, then read up some more on the human body and how it works, especially the skin. Talk to dermatologists or get on cosmetic sites. Do your own research. Also, don't be afraid to use the termanology you know. Sometimes, using simple words makes us look simple.Finally, i know for a fact that americans are more friendly than snottty europeans so your at an advantage with the customers. Good luck....hope I helped What I coinsedence that I found you on this website. I was actually looking for information for my daughter. I was born in Athens and we are thinking of moving back to Greece in 3 years. My daughter who is 16 is interested being an aesthetician. From what your wrote you went to the unversity; I though it would be a private school. Can you email me some information about the university you went to in Greece. I am going back to Greece in the summer to see different schools.I see you live in missouri as well. We live in Lebanon Missouri. I would enjoy talking to you. What part of Greece are you from and what brought you back? |
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Georgia in Athens, Greece 50 months ago |
Dear Magdaliny,
here is the sitefor the ministry of education where you could maybe get some more info:
Hope I didn't dissapoint you kali tihi!! Georgia |
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Megan in Carlsbad, California 48 months ago |
Felicia in Homosassa, Florida said: If you can find a good booth rental situation out there, I think it is the best possible situation. Equipment is reasonable now if you buy stuff on line or at shows. Also you will need a good web site. Sometimes this takes a while to plan and set it up.You will love being able to do things your way and be able to write your own schedule.Is it worth the risk? Are you a person who has initiative and lots of energy and positivity, well go for it when you feel the time is right!! Good luck. Do you need insurance for a booth rental or to work from home? |
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Mandy in San Jose, California 48 months ago |
Georgia in Athens, Greece said: Dear Magdaliny, Hi there,
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Misti in Anniston, Alabama 47 months ago |
michele phelan in san francisco, California said: Hello, I don't know if you will check this, but if you do; I would love to hear from you. Your specs of your career sounds like you are one motivated person. Your level of expertise is where I would like to see my career go. I just do not know where to begin. Can you or anyone else give me some advice? How did you become a multi published skin care writer? What steps did you take to open your own place? How long had you been an esthetician before you opened your own place? I know I just asked you a million questions, but your advice would be appreciated! Thank you! |
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michele phelan in san francisco, California 46 months ago |
Hello Misti,
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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas 46 months ago |
kaija le blanc in Vanda, Finland said: hi i would like to know if i have to take the 600 h to be able to get esthetics licence. in california.i have a licence from finland i went to school in europe for two years. tell me what i have to do next.thank you kaija le blanc Although only the state of Calif can tell you, my feeling is you will have take the 600 hours and then pass the state board exam. Jeff |
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JoAnn in Toms River, New Jersey 45 months ago |
I am a licensed esthetician in New Jersey. upon graduation in 1998, I was told that the laws in New Jersey do not allow me to open my own business in skin care. My question is the law still in effect or, under New Jersy law, can I open my own business in skin care if that is my choice later on. |
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Max Jensen 44 months ago |
JJ in Gallatin, Tennessee said: Hello, I was curious if there is anyone out there doing esthetics in a booth rent situation. If so how is it? I am currently in a salon spa environment as an employee recieving about 50% commission which is normal in my area. My problem is after 2 1/2 years of working there I really don't like the owner. Since I am an employee I have no access to client information and very little say so in anything. I really want to have control over all aspects of my career and I don't agree with how some things are done. I don't mind the hard work being "self employed" but my only fear is that I won't make as much money and I can't really afford to take a long term pay cut. I was just curious is anyone is out there doing this. This is pretty common for hairstylists but I feel that it would be much more difficult as an aesthetician because out equipment is more expensive. I also understand success is also determined by many factors like location, price, and advertising. However I would love to hear from anyone that has any experience or advice. Going for a booth rental is a risk no doubt and I'm convinced that esthetics belong in a spa not a salon. I have rented a space in a salon but found it was not the best location. You are always at the mercy of the other girls promoting you to their clients who whould rather spend on their hair than skin. A spa is best but they hire instead of rent. Also, I've been at this business for some years now and what I've seen is that the person renting the booth is the one making the money. Might I suggest you find a small affordable space with a sink, then find a massage therapist that would share the space paying you rent. This will allow you to "piggy back" on each others clients to get started. You can start with your table and mag lamp and steamer. Pick a good skincare line you like and are familiar with and bulid as you go. |
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pamela.rolling@hotmail.com in Gatineau, Quebec 42 months ago |
Hi I live in Quebec Canada in a very beautiful small town. I would love to open my own small spa one day and would love just a few words of experience from someone so very experienced. How do I start? I have a vision of a small intimate nurturing spa I am now enquiring about full time esthetics course to get my diploma. I have worked for two cosmetic cos. Clairins and Vagheggi as a sales rep and my friend approx. 7 years ago from Romania trained me but it was never certified. I have also ventured into the holistic realm of acquiring my reiki, bio-holistic nutrition and was hoping to continue learning so I could integrate this into my spa to help women. Currently right now I do not have any diploma to hang up and wondered if this was the first start. Thank-you so very much for any help
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Nairi in Atlanta, Georgia 41 months ago |
tiffany in Livonia, Michigan said: i have been practicing esthetics for the past three years and i have just recently run into a situation where the salon i booth rent space in was purchased by a european trained esthetician. she has made several comments about how superior her education is to mine and it i have taken this personally (i know i shouldn't but i did). not to mention she is not willing to share this vast wealth of information she has. Dear friend,
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Biz Owner in Livonia, Michigan 40 months ago |
tiffany in Livonia, Michigan said: i have been practicing esthetics for the past three years and i have just recently run into a situation where the salon i booth rent space in was purchased by a european trained esthetician. she has made several comments about how superior her education is to mine and it i have taken this personally (i know i shouldn't but i did). not to mention she is not willing to share this vast wealth of information she has. Hi Tiffany! I'm looking for a good esthetician in my business. I, too, live in Livonia and have an office in Farmington Hills. We have no snobby people on our team at Allied Massage in Farmington Hills. Check out our website. |
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magdalen lagergren in Rockville, Maryland 39 months ago |
tiffany in Livonia, Michigan said: i have been practicing esthetics for the past three years and i have just recently run into a situation where the salon i booth rent space in was purchased by a european trained esthetician. she has made several comments about how superior her education is to mine and it i have taken this personally (i know i shouldn't but i did). not to mention she is not willing to share this vast wealth of information she has. no you should stay here we r better off! |
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Samantha 38 months ago |
Felicia in Crystal River, Florida said: Have you been out of the field for the whole 2 years? I would advise taking some classes in areas you are interested in and focus on one thing at a time. Camoes hires new people, we are full right now . I am considering offering advanced classes in a lot of different modalities in skincare as people have been approching me for quite a while now. I am in Crystal River, you can call me at the Ranch in Ocala, Good luck. Hello,
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Jeff B in Dallas, Texas 38 months ago |
tiffany in Livonia, Michigan said: i have been practicing esthetics for the past three years and i have just recently run into a situation where the salon i booth rent space in was purchased by a european trained esthetician. she has made several comments about how superior her education is to mine and it i have taken this personally (i know i shouldn't but i did). not to mention she is not willing to share this vast wealth of information she has. I know both areas and actually we are talking about apples and oranges. Both are fruits but, they are different. Don't worry about her. Concentrate on yourself and your business. |
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amanda in Plano, Texas 37 months ago |
Liz in Marina Del Rey, California said: Then why is she "slumming" in Michigan instead of working her magic back in Europe? you just put a HUGE smile on my face! i'm an aesth. in plano, tx, out of school for 7 months and looking for a (hopefully) med-spa job. since i got a computer just yesterday i am having trouble navigating around and finding job sites or advice on where to look. very frustrting....but your comment cracked me up! |
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Sharon in Greenbrier, Tennessee 37 months ago |
Probably because it is known that European education is superior to American one. That is true, our kids in US cannot compare with European ones, when it comes about knowledge, culture etc. Unfortunately, in US for instance, a lot of classes in school are "optional" like foreign languages, while in Europe those kind of classses are not "optional", you must take them. Which personally, i find very good. That is why so many of Americans when they go to foreign countries, they cannot manage because except English they don't speak any other languages. I guess Americans are lucky English is an international language and most of Europeans speak it, otherwise it would be awfully hard on Americans to handle in those countries.
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MR2011 in Bronx, New York 12 months ago |
Don't alot of foreign business owners flock to MI because of the affordable opportunities? |
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AprylStar in Denver, Colorado 7 months ago |
tiffany in Livonia, Michigan said: i have been practicing esthetics for the past three years and i have just recently run into a situation where the salon i booth rent space in was purchased by a european trained esthetician. she has made several comments about how superior her education is to mine and it i have taken this personally (i know i shouldn't but i did). not to mention she is not willing to share this vast wealth of information she has. My name is April. I am a 12 year practicing aesthetician. I did my internship in Greece after graduating in CA. Their schools do prepare their esties to be much better first thing out of the gate but it's nothing you can't learn here on your own. It's very rude and not logical to act superior to people who have absolutely no choice and have done the best they can to their knowledge. To catch up, take a chemistry class or 2, nutrition classes, read "Advanced Skin Analysis" and "Acne RX", and stay on top of peel education updates. Beyond that just read as much as you can about whatever strikes you that's to do with our industry. In other words, the same education is actually offered here, it's just broken up in seperate institutions so it's not as focused which makes it harder to apply for sure but it's still here. She's being silly and has a superiority/insecurity complex. :-) |
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adri in Asheboro, North Carolina 4 months ago |
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European Estheticians Versus American? in Port Saint Lucie, Florida 4 months ago |
There is no "versus"...That's like comparing apples to car tires!...LOL!!Estheticians in Europe are far better educated and trained in Esthetics than American Estheticians are. That's not a snub, put-down, or insult, but a mere statement of fact. |
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girasol in Pleasantville, New Jersey 4 months ago |
hi everybody i am glad i found this forum i just graduated as aesthetician i also belive the best knowleged is the one you get from experience that why i would like to ask in you about allergies what are the most comun allergies you find on people like
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Erin Patricia in New York, New York 1 month ago |
Hey Guys, Interesting forum! I'm a current esthetics student obsessed with skincare (aren't we all :-D ) and looooove to travel. I plan on going to Germany a few months after I graduate to travel Europe and was just wondering how likely it is for me to find a job in esthetics while I'm out there? Do any of the lovely Europeans on this site have any advice for me? Thanks in advance!! |
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