Mesa Airlines

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Good morning, Jill! Something else besides fog is thick here this morning.

yah, sure, you betcha!

I'm at a loss for some of the reasoning skills going on in here....except to say, there are tons of airlines out there, ask yourselves why some of them take people who can't even write/spell semi properly, and why would you want to be included in that group.

mesa is not the only one that is down people and even as they are facing this problem like so many other airlines mesa has never laid off/ any fa's look at comair almost like mesa they pay more but yet they are laying off fa's and mesa is still hiring. mesa has been through worst times then stocks and yet they are still suceeding! other airlines have one down fall and laying off people is the way to go for them. research that!

i agree with you on that.

mesa suscks and every one needs to understand. any one that have for mesa knows
that.

I am scheduled for the training class in Jan. I'm wondering if it will be canceled to a later date. is there anyone else scheduled for Jan?

you have just sing your soul to the devil. mesa is horrible you will be sorry for thet rest of your life. hope you have a second job. cause your not going to make any money.

you will see what mesa is all about. its a 6#$%*^6 company and horrible managment team that those not care about any one other than them self.

Hi Brittany, I am scheduled for January, 2009 and as far as I know the class has not been rescheduled.

Tigama in Tucson, Arizona said: Hi Brittany, I am scheduled for January, 2009 and as far as I know the class has not been rescheduled.

With all this negativity I'm getting a little apprehensive about the whole idea.

sweety dont make the bigest mess of your live mesa is not a good air line.
mesa sucks and managment dose not care for emlpoyees.its the worse air line out there. you are better of going with some one else.

airbus330.

iam just warning every one out there about mesa i was a fligth attendant my self with them and they are just crap. they are the worse out there ask any one in the fourm you will see. mesa is just not good.every air line talks about mesa.
if your smart just go with another air line cause you will be sorry if you work for mesa.

I just got invited to Mesa Training and have been checking out this forum. Now I am worried. Why are there such negative comments about Mesa in the forum? Is there any CURRENT flight attendants here that can tell me their firsthand experience with Mesa? I am very excited about this training and want to go in with both sides of the story.

hello;

i was a fligt attendant for mesa air lines just let star saying that its the worse company to work for i think if you want to be a fligth attendant mesa is not the best solution. your probably wondering why iam bashing mesa.iam just opening evrey ones eyes on this fourm. goggle mesa air lines and you will see how much negative comments you will find.

forget mesa cause they are no good company and managment sucks.

brwnidgrl in Charlotte, North Carolina said: I just got invited to Mesa Training and have been checking out this forum. Now I am worried. Why are there such negative comments about Mesa in the forum? Is there any CURRENT flight attendants here that can tell me their firsthand experience with Mesa? I am very excited about this training and want to go in with both sides of the story.

Do some research before settling for Mesa. I did, and I am so thankful for doing so. There are so many airlines both mainline and regional that will treat you as you deserve! Mesa may seem like a good choice because they called you so quickly, but in reality that shows unprofessional they may actually be. The turnover rate at Mesa is ridiculously high. This being because of how unfair they are treated. They call people so quickly to compensate for those who quit just weeks and months into the job....

Here are some other regional airlines to Consider:

SkyWest Airlines.
Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA).
Comair.
Piedmont Airlines.
Mesaba Airlines.
Compass Airlines.
Pinnacle Airlines.
Republic Airlines
Express Jet
Colgan Airlines.

I wish you the best of luck!

-Sam-

Sam in Flint, Michigan said: Do some research before settling for Mesa. I did, and I am so thankful for doing so. There are so many airlines both mainline and regional that will treat you as you deserve! Mesa may seem like a good choice because they called you so quickly, but in reality that shows unprofessional they may actually be. The turnover rate at Mesa is ridiculously high. This being because of how unfair they are treated. They call people so quickly to compensate for those who quit just weeks and months into the job....

Here are some other regional airlines to Consider:

SkyWest Airlines.
Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA).
Comair.
Piedmont Airlines.
Mesaba Airlines.
Compass Airlines.
Pinnacle Airlines.
Republic Airlines
Express Jet
Colgan Airlines.

I wish you the best of luck!

-Sam-[/QU
Did you complete the training and work for them for any period of time?

I have not, but I now work with many former employees and have heard all of their stories. Do some research here online as well. There is a lot of information regarding Mesa.

-Sam-

Brittany in Charlotte, North Carolina said: With all this negativity I'm getting a little apprehensive about the whole idea.

I hear you Brittany, I went ahead and applied at other airlines.

I have applied at almost all the other airlines. only Air Tran has called and I missed the open interview, so I am going to go with Mesa and see what happens. I have until February, if anything else comes up.

just got a call from campass air lines do not go with mesa.
you can do better.go to compass airl ines or nwa.com.

I have applied with Compass. Nothing yet, if something comes up before February, I will take it.

you just have to wait mesa is not the solution cause they are no good.
mesa sucks bad.

I've been reading this thread for days and I notice the majority of the hostility is from former employees of years back that are speaking from the pilot perspective. I think it would be more refreshing and helpful to explain the situation from the FA perspective considering that this is an FA board and that pilots also fall under a different umbrella then FAs in majority of situations.

I agree with Ladymercury. I have been reading this forum for a couple of months while researching this FA job for Mesa. Nobody has given any specific reasons why Mesa is bad for FA's. I have only read about "lies" told to people that worked for Mesa as flight instructors/pilots, etc.

And I asked Airbus330 if he/she worked for Mesa and he stated NO, but he works with people that did. Still never got a specific reason why I should not work for Mesa.

Sorry it was NOT airbus330 that told me they didn't work for MEsa it was another Poster on this forum.
My mistake

In response to ladymerc... I have only recently seen some hostile remarks in this forum and they were from 1 or 2 people. There is some good information to be shared here, and I'm glad you're taking the time to read through.

I myself have never worked for Mesa but they have a bad reputation in the industry. This is pretty common knowledge except maybe to those just venturing into the airlines for the first time. Once you become an fa you'll have the opportunity to meet many others from other airlines. You'll probably socialize with them as well on overnights. Many of this have done this and heard all the stories. Aside from that, much has been written about how Mesa in particular operates and treats their employees.

All regionals pay poorly and many work their fa's to the bone. I'd have to put Mesa at the top of the list although I've been 'out of the loop' for a while and there are probably some others just as bad.

Regionals operate bare bones and fa's are easily replaced. Those jobs are not intended to be careers and longevity is actually discouraged.

On the other hand, Mesa is probably one of the few carriers actually hiring right now. DAL and NWA have just announced layoffs, Delta Connection is still offering voluntary temp layoffs to it's fa's and Air Tran has announced layoffs as well. Big news coverage for those of us in ATL. I imagine other carriers across the country are doing or planning the same. It's the economy. Schedules are trimmed back in the winter even in good times but due to the recession, trimming has now become slashing.

In any case, with so much information available now through the net, there's no reason not to be informed and waste your time on a company with bad practices and a bad track record.

Hope this helps.

hey DLP and hope all's well with you and yours too. i must say, this direction i've taken is daunting. out of the frying pan and into the fire! business has slowed but i'm still hanging on. are you familiar with northfield-stapleton ctr or highlands ranch? they are supposed to be two new locations for us. and no, i'm not coming out west *lol* i need to head south - it's freezing! 27f in the mornings and 44f at night. what's with that? i'm pushing everyting with heated seats this week!

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Not necessarily The issue is working for Mesa Airlines the company. Anyone who works for or has worked for Messa Airlines falls in that boat. Read the forum carefully. This forum is more than a year old. You'll see some then-current Mesa FAs posting their comments. So have new-hires and recent hires. Look for the poster, Timothy's, comments. In a nutshell, at the beginning Timothy was as gung-ho Mesa as anyone. But a few months later, he posted that he resigned from Mesa. In a nutshell, Timothy didn't like how Crew Tracking treated him. He also had his probation extended. Read his comments.

Two Mesa new-hire FAs, Ramona and Tamika, have posted. These individuals have posted **positive** comments about Messa. Ramona wrote she would entertain off-forum questions and even posted her e-mail address. Read their comments as well.

Besides me, two Mesa line pilots and a former Mesa accountant have posted comments. Once again, it's all about the company.

Finally, anyone can post on this forum. It's not restricted to flight attendants or flight attendant candidates.

I have read this thread and stopped around page 50 or whenever Timothy stopped posting because it was just becoming too much of a headache to read. The bickering and harshness coming from a few of you guys was really just annoying to read, from calling people foolish and the what not when in fact people are looking for information not be badly spoken too.

Despite all of that, Timothy's issue is like how you explained except with Crew Scheduling -- But he left his board still stating that he had a rather good experience with the company for the exception of that and left on his own accord due to a trip he just didn't want to do.

ATL's information is apprecitive, yes, but she has never worked for the airline and I have read what she has stated in several other threads. Continued...

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That she's hooked up to all this medical stuff and can no longer fly because she caught a virus and thus she blames it on the industry herself. That's her own personal problem, not everyone else and certainly doesn't reflect my family who's been in the industry for over 50 years. Comments like those don't help the people in this thread trying to find information on Mesa -- an airline that has a gross so high it can be considered a major airline.

I am not trying to defend or bash anyone or anything here. I am trying to stay neutral in this situation. Each airline has its bad points and its good points. AirTran sucks with communicating with its potential employees and works them to the bone as well, Compass/Mesaba/Pinnacle pay as much as a secretary at a law firm, and if you work for AA you're stuck on reserve for at least ten years and forget it if you're from the TWA merger.

No one is perfect -- Hell when I worked for JetBlue as a ramp agent I had an issue that kept getting brushed under the table and was not getting resolvled, to the point I nearly lost my job over it and I had VIDEO of the incident taken. But that doesn't mean the company ITSELF is bad, but rather, the people that are in charge. Luckily for me it was seasonal and I left on good terms with the company.

Anyway, what I am trying to say here is that I want facts and information from CURRENT or PREVIOUS FAs within the last THREE YEARS to give their accounts of how it is to work there. I did a google search on Mesa and the bad rep and all I get, majorily, is pilots.

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This is the airline industry -- First and foremost. You HAVE NO LIFE. If you are a FA, your life is GONE. People EXPECT ONE should just look for another career or deal with the b*llsh*t until they get some tiny taste of seniority.

The airline is unionized, that's a plus. I want proof of how the airline goes out their way to make people miserable. In the end its not the airline that makes your career, it's you.

And I do know of the faltering contracting issues Mesa has had with Delta trying to pull out of Freedom Airlines representing them at JFK and when United dropped them back in 96 to only recently pick them back up again a few years ago.

i have work for mesa for 3 years 1/2 i loved flying i was @ mesa for that long cause i like my job.but the management was horrible mesa has a bad reputation yes they do. the dont care about there employees its just about them. i will not say why iam not working with mesa any more. cause i cant here in this fourm cause you never know who is on here. all i got to say is wile at mesa i did a great job as a fligth attendant. is not the people at mesa that sucks is management. good luck to every one.

airbus330

I have better things to do then reading a forum when the conversation then switches to personal stuff that has nothing to do with the topic at hand and more MESA BAD GO TO THESE LINKS READ MORE YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS.

And DLP, I've seen you lash out on people as well as them lash out on you. It takes a spark to start a fire, don't play innocent and come off as if you didn't start some of the harsh bickering that has went on in this thread.

And its clearly obvious that airlines stress that during your probational period that if you essentially, excuse my french, f**k up you're out the door. It's why its called a probational period. Whatever he had done, whether its crew scheduling or not screwed up his situation. In the end it was HIS fault, no matter what. A company can not be blamed for all the problems in the world.

We don't know what really happened and I'm sure he didn't tell us everything. No one has the room to speak for some one and come up with theories that can or can not be true. But you have stated yourself that when you worked for Mesa there was no union -- so how can you be sure of this? You are not working there now, so how can you be sure?

She may have more airline experience in this thread but she still hasn't worked FOR the company. That's like me coming in and saying that CONTINENTAL S*CKS! YOU KNOW WHY THE S*CK! BECAUSE I SEE HOW THEIR RAMP WORKERS WORK! AND YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK THAT'S WRONG SO THEY SUCK! AND D*AMNIT WITH ALL MY EXPERIENCE ON THIS RAMP I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT IT'S A BAD COMPANY!

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Please, my uncle is Mr. Torralbas (refraining from saying his whole name on these forums for obvious reasons), who has worked for United/Pam Am for over 50 years and recently retired after leaving Rolce Royce. He tells me that every airline has its bad side and good side, and hell he's telling me that right now ISN'T the time to get in... He doesn't speak ill of any airline, not even American, because you know each one has their bad sides and good. He says its bad across the board. There is no comfortable spot anywhere, no matter how pretty the picture may seem.

You may get in with a nice airline but your manager could absolutely be the biggest douche bag in the entire department. Is that one employee going to reflect upon the ENTIRE COMPANY. I think not. My ex-GM at my station was absolutely useless and didn't have a clue what was going on at her own station 90% of the time, but I didn't use her to reflect the entire company because at other stations I saw people on their game and the company as a whole was great.

All regionals have high turn over rates. This is fact, Mesa is not the only one with a high turn over rate.

If the issue is that grave then why isn't anyone speaking up within the company then. Why isn't the FAs or Pilots making a big stink about it. If a group of many come together then change can happen. But if everyone shuts up, collects their little pay checks, and deals with the BS then nothing will ever change.

I am just trying to say give me facts and situations. Not links and vague, general, information that does nothing but sound like a broken record.

Airbus330 in Chicago, Illinois said: i have work for mesa for 3 years 1/2 i loved flying i was @ mesa for that long cause i like my job.but the management was horrible mesa has a bad reputation yes they do. the dont care about there employees its just about them. i will not say why iam not working with mesa any more. cause i cant here in this fourm cause you never know who is on here. all i got to say is wile at mesa i did a great job as a fligth attendant. is not the people at mesa that sucks is management. good luck to every one.

airbus330

And management will always be a problem, no matter what company you're with. It's very rare you get that company with golden management.

Hello, wow, interesting again...Hmm. All I can say is DLP read my mind on the secretarial pay.
Also, Ladymercury, you have me intrigued with your statements. You don't have experience with many companies as you accused ATL of not working for Messa and saying she shouldn't say anything, but then you do the same thing. You know, my grandpa was a cop, but it doesn't mean I know everything about law enforcement. I do see that with your people skills on this forum that being an FA might not be the "ticket" for you. You sound a bit agitated and I think maybe if you present a clear question someone may be able to help you. ATL has presented very good info on the industry itself and many aspects of being an FA. Another thing you mentioned is that if you get a horrible manager that should not reflect on the company. I beg to differ on that. If I had a company, and I hired managers to be in charge of the workers, and they were not fair with the workers, then I as the company owner should do something, but to allow managers to treat my workers bad, and with disrespect, I would not be a very good company owner. That goes on in many kinds of jobs. (Wow, deja vu! why do I get this feeling that I'm homeschooling my kids)
Off topic for those who don't want to hear my bulldung.
Hi Atl and DLP! Hope your fine this holiday season! ATL-put some rice in a sock, heat it in the microwave, that should warm you up. Ah, I do love seat warmers, if I like them, then just about every state in the union should like them better.

Jill in San Diego, California said: Hello, wow, interesting again...Hmm. All I can say is DLP read my mind on the secretarial pay.

I live in Florida, since the cost of living is extremely high here in South Florida secretaries get paid between 12 - 14 dollars an hour over here. It'd make sense considering a one bedroom apartment in a good area is 1100 a month.

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Also, Ladymercury, you have me intrigued with your statements. You don't have experience with many companies as you accused ATL of not working for Messa and saying she shouldn't say anything, but then you do the same thing. You know, my grandpa was a cop, but it doesn't mean I know everything about law enforcement. I do see that with your people skills on this forum that being an FA might not be the "ticket" for you.

I don't think you are in position to speak and say if someone is flight attendant material just by their opinions on a forum. I think that's a tad be extreme to pull that card out, don't you think? I don't think how one can justify someone's airline experience and then throw it in the same sentence as " Well, certain someone worked x-amount of years at this airline, but not THAT airline, but because of that I'll listen to them anyway eve if they don't ACTUALLY know how it works, just heard it from the grapevine "

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I've worked in this industry and, like I said, have family who works in this industry. Even my own mother has worked for the industry -- It's not something that I just take lightly. I'm not simply some wannabe FA that's just there for the glamor of the job that died nearly ten years ago.

This is my own opinion, like I stated in my original statement I am staying neutral on the issue of whether Mesa is bad or good but I have not seen much fact come out of this thread other than some disgruntled pilots (which is everywhere, not even Mesa, but I am not to say Mesa has some serious issues to handle), a person who apparently has worked for the industry for x-amount of years, and some FAs that are pissed off just because they can't get those days off and work 14 hour days.

and that I sound agitated? I did come out with a clear question and I responded to DLP's response -- Clearly asking someone to read a thread of over three thousand responses is absolutely ludicrous, as if I have nothing better to than to read the mindless diatribe between DLP's relentless bashing of the airline, ATL's comments of " I can't believe people still want to work for this place! ", and the occasional " Mesa sucks don't go! ".

Then with those same links too, that really do nothing for a flight attendant because -- wow guess what -- we're not pilots.

This board is supposed to be a source of information, not a clique or hang out or a Mesa sucks fanboard. No, its supposed to be a source of information. Both good and bad, if every time some one comes in here supporting the company and gets shot down immediately then what does that show? I've searched for this thread, I've seen the spats that have happened. It's not pretty, no one is innocent here.

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I came here looking for information and I got nothing. If I really wanted people to essentially gang up and discredit my self as a FA for my opinion then I would have asked for it. Instead I asked for more solid information, not hersay from someone who hasn't been in the company for 10 - 14 years and someone that's been out of it for god knows how long and hasn't even worked at the company, ever, because they got sick.

Anyway, Jill, instead of making quick snappy remarks here and there, maybe you should re-read the situation instead of jumping in and saving a friend who obviously doesn't need saving.

It's hard for someone to speak for the airline on the other side if the opposing side has spent literally MONTHS in this thread bashing the airline and making others feel small for working at Mesa.

This again is coming from someone who's trying to stay neutral and knows that Mesa is a pretty screwed up airline but obviously there has to be some good if the entire crew hasn't went on strike for unfair practices.

Ladymercury,

I like you! I commend you for speaking out. I feel exactly the same way as you about this forum, which is what mainly keeps me from posting any comment. I don't want to be shot down for asking questions about Mesa. I do have some good news though...A guy at my current job worked as a flight attendant for Mesa and says he enjoyed every minute of it and only left to start a family. I have searched other airline FA forums and found that there is bashing of all airlines in these threads, not just Mesa. I AM going to the training in February with an open mind about Mesa. Any job is as good as what you make of it!

brwnidgrl in Charlotte, North Carolina said: Ladymercury,

I like you! I commend you for speaking out. I feel exactly the same way as you about this forum, which is what mainly keeps me from posting any comment. I don't want to be shot down for asking questions about Mesa. I do have some good news though...A guy at my current job worked as a flight attendant for Mesa and says he enjoyed every minute of it and only left to start a family. I have searched other airline FA forums and found that there is bashing of all airlines in these threads, not just Mesa. I AM going to the training in February with an open mind about Mesa. Any job is as good as what you make of it!

Yey! XD Someone actually likes me in this thread :P

Yes, its everywhere. Everyone has something to say about every airline. Spirit, AirTran, GoJet, Trans States, etc etc. Someone always has something negative to say.

Your experience is what you make of it. You take from one side and you take from the other and you weigh it. Even if Mesa turns out to be the cockroach that doesn't die, the blood sucking vampire of the industry, the devil with wings and GE engines attached -- At least you took the time out to find out yourself.

And hell, in this economy, to actually HAVE a job is a lot better than not having one... and trust me, given the situation nearly 10% of America is in (or more as this year closes) anyone would definitely jump on board just to have a check coming in.

So yeah, you find out the airline sucks. At least you're getting paid while finding out it sucks instead of sitting at home and wondering if it sucks or not without a paycheck coming in :P

I agree with this comment. It would do the community some good to actually know why the airline is just so bad.

What does pronouns have to do with staying names? Why are you using my real name? How did you EVEN know my name? That's creepy. I didn't ask you for YOUR real name so why are you using mine? I said some crap on this board that I don't want people tying directly to me.

Jesus, learn some restraint and take in consideration that there was a reason I was using my SCREEN NAME.

Anyway, I'm done. I'm not going to write another essay because talking to you is like talking to the wall. Obviously you enjoy arguing with people over Mesa and probably find some enjoyment on getting peopl to see your side of the argument. Fine, but you haven't answered my question and I guess you will never answer it.

Rallied against other posters? I have stated what I have observed in this thread of the people who have, primarily, been the main source of the mindless bickering on both sides. The prolific members of this board....

and you know, the same question can go to you as well. For someone who is obviously done with Mesa and will never return to the company, you're still pretty adamant on posting in this thread, venting out stress over an incident that happened a decade or so ago.

There's one thing of providing industry advice, as a whole, to take with you to every airline and there's another instance of basically bad talking an airline you never worked for in your life. It's like high school drama.

I'm going to talk about Jessica because Stephanie hates her even though I never met Jessica in my life, but because Stephanie hates her I'm going to hate her too.

Or something of similar nature.

Anyway, I'm done. I am not going to continue this "argument" because its getting too personal for my own tastes.

And for future reference, don't you ever use my real name on these boards again.

Didn't I tell you to not use my name? Do you not know how to read?

Wow, internet serious business. This " guy " seriously argues like someone who posts on a video game fanboard.

Yep, keep it rolling, DLP. Keep acting immature and childish because someone just happens to disagree with your tactics. Good job there, bud. :Db

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Ladymercury,

I think you had some really good questions, that were never answered, and I enjoyed reading your points of view. If you look back to the beginning of this forum, you will notice that "some" people have been on here over a year, posting the same opinions and running off other interested candidates. Don't take it personally, I'm not. But like you, I am done, I will go find another forum where aspiring FA's can explore information on the field without having others' negative opinions continually shoved down their throat. I am determined to keep an open mind and go forward with Mesa, and unlike others, I will keep coming back and posting my experiences. I Hope to talk to you again! good luck in your endeavors as a FA!

Hello all!!!
I am scheduled to attend the February 18 training class with Mesa...anyone else going to that one??

In response to ladymerc, once again, I did not stop flying because I got sick. I stopped flying because The Job Made Me Sick And Nearly Killed Me. This is quite different than just getting sick. I will continue to pass on information pertaining to the health risks of flying because I wish somebody had informed me and I would hope to spare others the same agony. Enough said on that.

I thought I DID offer some useful information to those wishing to persue an fa job. Sorry you don't agree and feel the need to lash out at others.

This IS a public forum and open to all. There is no need to post responses in a hostile manner to anybody that doesn't agree with your point of view. I would never hire somebody so hot-headed and argumentative to be a fa. Personality rates much higher than prior airline experience.

For the record. Many companies will investigate blogs and forums and can track you through your ISP. This explains why many people won't openly discuss past and present employers because of the threat of a lawsuit. Nobody is truly anonymous online and that's a fact.

Sorry you didn't feel I had anything of value to offer this forum. Some people did.

love your comment some times i feel like iam in high school here LOL. i also told boys and gals that evey one has there opinion i dont know why the get angry and start atacing others, this is whay air lines dont hire wacky people. and some give you personallity test. to see if your crazy we have lots of crazy people on ground we dont need them @ 37,0000 feet in the air. so guys if you see a comment that makes you angry just dont reply its childish.

and for those that want to be future F/A read about the air line and bases they have just want to tell you guys that its not an easy job cause i have done it i miss it and going rigth back flying till iam 130 years old.

happy holidays every one.

I am scheduled for Feb. 4 for training at Mesa.