Mesa Airlines

One more point. As long you've brought up being offended, I personally took offense at Messa lying to me about my opportunities. You see, "stickks," liars offend me, especially regarding employment. Companies like Messa that treat employees badly also offend me.

Well then you havent been there recently. There has been almost no dispatcher turnover in a year, and we get treated well. Go ANYWHERE in this industry, and find out. And, the company treats the employees I know very well. Pilots and flight attendants always have something to complain about.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: Pilots and flight attendants always have something to complain about.

Straw man, my friend. Not very logical, I'm afraid. And I had tabbed you as being intelligent?

Your problem would be you have issues with pilots and flight attendants. Hence, the attitude you exhibited toward flight attendants on this thread.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: Go ANYWHERE in this industry, and find out.

....about Messa's bad reputation for employee treatment - a reputation that is at least twenty years old. Check it out.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: And, the company treats the employees I know very well.

....while treating other employees you don't know....poorly.

My problem is with you. You seem to have nothing better to do but complain. Its the fa's that complain...all the time. And you all think by using this board to vent, you will some how get ahead. Well that other person is right. Recruiters for just about every airline read this board. So keep complaining, see how far you get in this industry. Let me also preface that by saying that the fa's that complain are the ones that i dont care for. Also, alot of pilots complain about their job, but give me a break. You wanted to become a pilot, your going to work hard and work your butt off. Can you believe that in a meeting with the COO last week, one pilot had the nerve to say that they should provide the pilots with a box meal? That would cost the company over a million dollars and in a time when the industry is suffering, I am sure the COO laughed in side. These pilots get a per diem every day, and maybe better planning on their part would eleviate the food situation, like maybe bringing your own food on and storing it. Get a life, displaced. Educate yourself before you open your mouth to something you dont have any idea about.

As for Mesa, I know plenty about the company. In exsistance since 1982, steady and solvent. The people I work with have been with the company for at the minimum 5 years and some over 8 and a few over 10. So go find a job, get off your butt, and quit putting down my company. I promise you that it is not any better right now at any other regional. Go find out.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: Get a life, displaced.

Ah, the old "get a life" argument. Another straw man.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: Educate yourself before you open your mouth to something you dont have any idea about.

Moi? I worked for Messa. I had friends and colleagues who worked for Messa. I had a supervisor whom Mesa hired. He left after a couple of months after he, too, was lied to about his advancement opportunities.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: As for Mesa, I know plenty about the company. In exsistance since 1982, steady and solvent.

Ever hear the stories about Messa fighting pilot union organizing? Your esteemed CEO, Frank O, was among the company bigshots who stared down organizers way back when the company was in FMN. Frank O also started up Freedumb as a non-union alterego.

You should learn those stories. Oh, wait! That's right. You don't like pilots!

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: So go find a job, get off your butt, and quit putting down my company....

Awww. Once again, as Colonel Jessup said, you cannot handle the truth.

BTW, these are open discussions. Anyone can post on any Indeed forum on any topic at any time. That means users can "put down" companies. It also means other users can defend companies. It's called "discussion."

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: I promise you that it is not any better right now at any other regional.

Now you're begging the question. Messa is under discussion here, not other regional airlines.

You know what? Your right. My truth is different from your truth. I love the company, and am happy. And your right, you can complain all you want. It seems like you have nothing better to do than complain. Maybe if you didnt complain so much, and put down the company, and its CEO, you would still have a job. As for what I discuss, I can say anything I want about any regional. Go for it though. Go work for Pinnacle, Sky West, and see how well you like it there. Mr Orenstein has done what he has to to keep the company going, and its surviving. Since your seem to be such a expert on everything aviation, go get jobs at these other places and tell me how it REALLY is. I cant wait to here you come back. As for Unions, its the damn unions that ruin companies. I am glad we dont have a dispatchers union.. That just means more money out of my pocket to pay union dues. We get payed well here, above average compared to the others...wa

OH, I dont have a problem with pilots...just the ones that complain. You do that job because you love to fly, not for the money.

Yeah, whatever. Trying to discuss anything logically with individuals like you who are blind to facts is an exercise in futility.

How long have you been working for Messa? Obviously the Kool-Aid buzz hasn't worn off. Let's hope it does - for your sake.

With individuals like me? You mean someone that works hard, and enjoys his job, and doesnt complain when something doesnt go my way?

As for my longetivity with MESA, none of your business. I love my job, love PHX, and the people I work with are great. Sour grapes get you nowhere, dude. Get over it, move on, and deal with the fact that most people love working for them.

Leave it to somebody in dispatch to brag about working for an airline with the worst reputation in the industry. And you are against giving crews a box lunch? Why don't you trying working 12-16 hrs a day in a metal tube with NO refrigeration or heating facilities onboard and then do it four days in a row. Granola bars only go so far. When there are delays and flights are behind schedule - the crew breaks are the first to go. I have worked with many a crewmember that passed out from no food or breaks. These are the people flying the multi-million dollar aircraft and are responsible for the safety of your customers. Let's not forget what lack of food and fatigue does to the crew either. Think about that while you're sitting at your desk with your fresh starbucks.

Hey Displaced,

I saw a sticker on a pilot case the other day that stated, " L A M A"... Life After Mesa Airlines... Thought it was pretty funny.

-Sam-

FORMER FA in Marietta, Georgia said: Leave it to somebody in dispatch to brag about working for an airline with the worst reputation in the industry. And you are against giving crews a box lunch? Why don't you trying working 12-16 hrs a day in a metal tube with NO refrigeration or heating facilities onboard and then do it four days in a row. Granola bars only go so far. When there are delays and flights are behind schedule - the crew breaks are the first to go. I have worked with many a crewmember that passed out from no food or breaks. These are the people flying the multi-million dollar aircraft and are responsible for the safety of your customers. Let's not forget what lack of food and fatigue does to the crew either. Think about that while you're sitting at your desk with your fresh starbucks.

Ha, dont drink starbucks. And poor baby, no breaks. wah. I get none either. I dont mind. I love my job. Guess what, no other regional airline is any better. You knew what you were getting yourself into, so you should have expected it. Remember, your flying in a metal tube, not on a luxury liner.

Yes we do work for 14 hrs if not longer with no breaks, and if we try to take a break we get an occurance........... been there got one

Ok dispatcher, we'll listen when you have something of value to say. I have never worked for Mesa (having done my homework) but I did fly as a regional FA for near 10 yrs. I also had 20 yrs with a mainline carrier as a manager and a few yrs with a couple other mainlines. That's about 35 yrs experience with the aviation industry. Having had 25 years 'behind the desk' followed by being a crewmember, I can honestly say that I absolutely know what stress and hardship regional crews endure each day. You may very well feel 'chained' to your desk but it doesn't compare. You are also not risking your health at that desk of yours. I am one of many many many crewmembers that lost their health due to the work conditions and constant exposure to stuff you don't ever want to come in contact with. I never got a disabling illness sitting behind a desk. Something to think about. How about showing some empathy for your fellow team members instead of calling them whiners?

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: Ha, dont drink starbucks. And poor baby, no breaks. wah. I get none either. I dont mind. I love my job. Guess what, no other regional airline is any better. You knew what you were getting yourself into, so you should have expected it. Remember, your flying in a metal tube, not on a luxury liner.

the 'crybaby' would like to add for the record... i'm sure you love your job, only 10 hrs a day, the 12 to 16 for crews doesn't even count their down time, and you probably have a cute little fridge and microwave for your food and a restroom nearby, and you get to sleep in your own little bed at night instead of some crusty motel room crawling with who knows what. so... while you are LYAO and telling me to 'get a life', I want you to know what a slap in the face that is considering all the surgeries and other med crap I've gone through these past 2 yrs trying to 'keep a life' even tho it sux.

FORMER FA in Marietta, Georgia said: the 'crybaby' would like to add for the record... i'm sure you love your job, only 10 hrs a day, the 12 to 16 for crews doesn't even count their down time, and you probably have a cute little fridge and microwave for your food and a restroom nearby, and you get to sleep in your own little bed at night instead of some crusty motel room crawling with who knows what. so... while you are LYAO and telling me to 'get a life', I want you to know what a slap in the face that is considering all the surgeries and other med crap I've gone through these past 2 yrs trying to 'keep a life' even tho it sux.

Again, you CHOOSE your path. You know that fa's are on the road when they work. And i am under a completely different kind of stress than you are. So dont pretend you have any idea what it is I do. What I get tired of is hearing whiny fa's complain about their job, their company, etc. And believe me, its not just mesa. You choose this proffession. When you really want to compare what I do and what you do, anytime you want. Oh, and I am in the cockpit all the time when I fly and I know what goes on and I know how much bs there is.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: With individuals like me?

Yes. People like you. People like you who drink the company Kool-Aid and who are blind to the truth. You mean someone that works hard, and enjoys his job, and doesnt complain when something doesnt go my way?

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: As for my longetivity with MESA, none of your business.

Okay, I understand. You are a new hire. Give him six months, folks. He'll whistle a different tune.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: [D]eal with the fact that most people love working for them.

That's the biggest fiction I've seen yet during this discussion. The facts indicate otherwise. Moreover, if most people love working for Messa, why does it have such turnover. That is fact, bud. Get used to it.

Sam in Flint, Michigan said: I saw a sticker on a pilot case the other day that stated, " L A M A"... Life After Mesa Airlines... Thought it was pretty funny.

It is funny! And pathetic as well.

Hope you're doing well, Sam.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: To Former FA in GA......poor baby...you had to work a 12 to 16 hour day?? Give me a break. You FAs work max 70 hours a month.

Seventy block hours. You forgot about duty hours.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: So go cry me a river. So you work what.....5 days a month??

I've seen some real misinformation during this discussion, but that statement takes the cake.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: FA's work hard. I never said they didnt....

Which is it? First, you said flight attendants (and pilots) complain. Now you admit that flight attendants work hard?

Again, "stickks," trying to discuss an issue logically with you is a lost cause. Go enjoy that fine job you have at that fine airline of yours.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: So bite me.

See my point about this user, folks?

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: With individuals like me?
Yes. People like you. People like you who drink the company Kool-Aid and who are blind to the truth.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: As for my longetivity with MESA, none of your business.

That's spelled "longevity," my friend. Okay, I understand. You are a new hire. Give him six months, folks. See if he whistles a different tune.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: [D]eal with the fact that most people love working for them.

That's the biggest fiction I've seen yet during this discussion. The facts indicate otherwise. Moreover, if most people love working for Messa, why does it have such turnover? That is fact, bud. Better get used to it.

(amended)

FORMER FA in Marietta, Georgia said: Ok dispatcher, we'll listen when you have something of value to say. I have never worked for Mesa (having done my homework) but I did fly as a regional FA for near 10 yrs. I also had 20 yrs with a mainline carrier as a manager and a few yrs with a couple other mainlines. That's about 35 yrs experience with the aviation industry. Having had 25 years 'behind the desk' followed by being a crewmember, I can honestly say that I absolutely know what stress and hardship regional crews endure each day. You may very well feel 'chained' to your desk but it doesn't compare. You are also not risking your health at that desk of yours. I am one of many many many crewmembers that lost their health due to the work conditions and constant exposure to stuff you don't ever want to come in contact with. I never got a disabling illness sitting behind a desk. Something to think about. How about showing some empathy for your fellow team members instead of calling them whiners?

empathy...ok...I will show you empathy when you stop bashing the company I work for.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Seventy block hours. You forgot about duty hours. I've seen some real misinformation during this discussion, but that statement takes the cake.

No the only mis information is you. And as for my spelling sorry I dont use spell check like you. As for my longevity, you have no idea. Nor is it any of your business. I have a deal for you. Quit bashing my company, and I will quit bashing whiny flight attendants that work a whole 70 hours a month. Oh, and I have news for you. Every regional airline only pays its fas and pilots for wheels up time. That is standard across the board.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: No the only mis information is you.....

That sentence sure makes sense.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: And as for my spelling sorry I dont use spell check like you.

Perhaps you should. It might enhance your credibility.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: As for my longevity, you have no idea. Nor is it any of your business.

Yep, I knew it. New hire.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: I have a deal for you. Quit bashing my company, and I will quit bashing whiny flight attendants that work a whole 70 hours a month.

Once again, you are misinformed. You forgot about duty time, etc. That counts as work time, and you know it does? Whatsamatter, "stickks"? Embarrassed that you got caught in an error?

"Quit bashing my company." Wah-wah-wah. Cry me a river. And you call other people here crybabies? Don't throw stones.

I'll repeat: These are open discussions. Anyone can post about any company at any time on any Indeed forum. If you can't stand the "bashing," don't participate.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: The only truth is that your a pathetic person that has nothing better to do with his time but bash a company that didnt give him the big raise or promotion he probably didnt deserve anyways. Get a life, loser

Now, the old "get a life, loser" argument. Can you believe the brilliance from this individual, guys? When all else fails, and it has for you, my friend, try a personal attack.

Any further discussion in which you care to engage can take place on this forum.

Yeah, whatever you want to think. I'm not hiding behind anything; all my comments have been in public view. Are you afraid to express your "comments" in public view now?

I don't need to have a "convo" to determine what you are about. I already know what you are about. You've exhibited it here already with your misinformed barbs and Messa chauvinism.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Yeah, whatever you want to think. I'm not hiding behind anything; all my comments have been in public view. Are you afraid to express your "comments" in public view now?

I don't need to have a "convo" to determine what you are about. I already know what you are about. You've exhibited it here already with your misinformed barbs and Messa chauvinism.

No you know nothing about me. And I happen to like who i work for, like my job, and take it very seriously. Now who is attempting the personal attacks? Look, I might be mis informed on a lot of things, but one thing I know is that 99 percent of the people that bash their former companies usually were the ones at fault for as why they left. No company is perfect. I will say this. Mesa did have problems in the past, but things are getting better, and it doesnt happen over night. Maybe fa's get treated differently, but what I do and whom I work with are treated well, and we all take our jobs very seriously.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: I am drinking nothing here. The only truth is that your a pathetic person that has nothing better to do with his time but bash a company that didnt give him the big raise or promotion he probably didnt deserve anyways. Get a life, loser

Yes, but you are also one of them "pathetic" people. On this page of the thread I see just as many posts from you as I do from Displaced and Former FA. I understand that you are trying to defend the company you work for, but from expirience, you should know there are many opinions out there. You here them every day with the crews you work with. Don't waste your time trying to battle with people becuase in the end, nobody wins.

As for the longevity comment, I looked at a statistic the other day which showed 80% of the Messa seniority list has been there less than 5 years. What does this tell you about a company? A company who cares for their people do not constantly push them out the door like Messa does. I have flown with a few ex-Messa pilots who were told the following quote when they were hired, " We don't want you hear, get your hours and get out." Messa doesn't want to pay their people a descent wage, keeping them at 1, 2, or 3, year pay then firing them is exactly what they want.

-Sam-

Anyone who ever worked for Mesa has the right to say what they want..............
They can say the good or the bad, But so far i really haven't seen anything good about Mesa... So anyone who wants to work for them just becareful.Before I got hired I was worn about Mesa.I never judge the book by it cover until I read it and boy I shoulld of read it.Cause everything in that book is true.... I gave them a chance and they have proved that the company is a joke.............

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: I might be mis informed on a lot of things......

I'll say. Among other things, you have misstated flight attendant working hours. You have even misspelled the CEO, Frank O.'s, last name:

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: Mr [Orenstein] has done what he has to to keep the company going.....

Sorry, chief. It's spelled "Ornstein." Go read Messa's website. www.mesa-air.com/jornstein.asp

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: .....but one thing I know is that 99 percent of the people that bash their former companies usually were the ones at fault for as why they left.

Do you have a source for that statistic?

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: No company is perfect.

First reasonable statement you've made during this discussion.

The CEO is not Frank it's John... read up on Mesa and you will know who the Ceo is...........

me in Lakeland, Florida said: The CEO is not Frank it's John... read up on Mesa and you will know who the Ceo is...........

Once again, you missed the point. "Frank," as in Frank Lorenzo.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Once again, you missed the point. "Frank," as in Frank Lorenzo.

No, i got ya. No comparison...Ok, displaced, go ahead and correct my spelling, since you know everything and your an aviation industry expert. Oh, just so y'all know, the average longevity for dispatchers at MESA is over 4 years. We work hard, enjoy our jobs, and for that, we are treated well. Go cry in your own big tears, cause its whiners like you that ruin airlines.

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: No the only mis information is you. And as for my spelling sorry I dont use spell check like you. As for my longevity, you have no idea. Nor is it any of your business. I have a deal for you. Quit bashing my company, and I will quit bashing whiny flight attendants that work a whole 70 hours a month. Oh, and I have news for you. Every regional airline only pays its fas and pilots for wheels up time. That is standard across the board.

work a whole 70 hours a month?! are you out of your mind?!?!?! maybe FLY 70 hours a month but you obviously have no idea a day in the life of a flight attendant.
WOW

stickks in Arlington, Texas said: No you know nothing about me. And I happen to like who i work for, like my job, and take it very seriously. Now who is attempting the personal attacks? Look, I might be mis informed on a lot of things, but one thing I know is that 99 percent of the people that bash their former companies usually were the ones at fault for as why they left. No company is perfect. I will say this. Mesa did have problems in the past, but things are getting better, and it doesnt happen over night. Maybe fa's get treated differently, but what I do and whom I work with are treated well, and we all take our jobs very seriously.

now your making me mad! i did nothing wrong working for Mesa Airline, nor did any of my friends who NO LONGER WORK THERE! i dont know why your defending Mesa Airlines so much and blaming all of their EX EMPLOYEES for not working there anymore. What about all the current furloughs? you mean to tell me that that is their fault? haha

You are right all company's has their problems, But let's face it Mesa has more problems than most airlines. like the contract with Delta, And mesa cant hold on to the good employees. I work for them over 2 years and it is a joke and i personaly know another FA who work with them for over 5 years it like this if Mesa dont like you they will find a way to get rid of you. no matter how good you are or even if er write the company on well you preform

Why am i defending the company I work for??? Hm....Do you really have to ask that? Just because you had a bad experience, doesnt mean everyone has. I surely havent. As for the furloughs, its a necessary evil in this industry, trust me, all the airlines are doing this right now..Its a matter of survival. Think about it.

me in Lakeland, Florida said: You are right all company's has their problems, But let's face it Mesa has more problems than most airlines. like the contract with Delta, And mesa cant hold on to the good employees. I work for them over 2 years and it is a joke and i personaly know another FA who work with them for over 5 years it like this if Mesa dont like you they will find a way to get rid of you. no matter how good you are or even if er write the company on well you preform

If it was so bad, why did you stay for 2 years???? Jeez. As for the delta contract, Guess what....Delta lost...We have the the delta contract for another 3 years now. It was deltas fault, and they admitted it. They tried to do the same thing to several other regionals they had. Trust me, look it up.

I have worked in aviation, "Grocery," including Mesa Airlines. So I do know what I'm talking about.

Tell us about your aviation industry experience, "Grocery."

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: I have worked in aviation, "Grocery," including Mesa Airlines. So I do know what I'm talking about.

Tell us about your aviation industry experience, "Grocery."

jack of all trades, master of only unemployment discussion forums.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Go back to stocking shelves, willya, "Grocery"?

Indeed.com forums are for people of all opinions, not just those who subscribe to yours.

Hello, grocery-hr. I found your comments very interesting. I have been reading this forum for quite some time and it is overwhelming. Not good things, either. I am a very positive person and am looking for employment. I have mixed feelings, to say the least, because of reading on this forum. For what type of work are you seeking employees. Thank you, and I hope that you comment more frequently.

grocery-hr in Mantua, New Jersey said: Indeed.com forums are for people of all opinions, not just those who subscribe to yours.

Again, "Grocery," your aviation experience, please?

Do you have something to contribute about working for Mesa Airlines, "Grocery"?

Interested in Lawrence, Kansas said: Hello, grocery-hr. I found your comments very interesting. I have been reading this forum for quite some time and it is overwhelming. Not good things, either. I am a very positive person and am looking for employment. I have mixed feelings, to say the least, because of reading on this forum. For what type of work are you seeking employees. Thank you, and I hope that you comment more frequently.

Hi Interested, I currently work for one of the largest food distributors/retailers in the US. We currently have needs for high-volume "big box" Retail managers, HR Generalists, an Employee Relations Specialists and currently a Construction Project manager. I also have extensive networks throughout the Eastern Seaboard through my past as a Personnel Consultant, so I may be able to point you in the right direction if you let me know your background and experience.
Indeed is a GREAT source for openings, keep your alerts current and keep applying. Job searching should be an exciting, rewarding experience, see it as an opportunity to switch gears in your career or try something else you have always wanted to do. Employers today are looking for the right "person", meaning honesty, integrity, a strong work ethic, a good work history,ownership of your responsibilities. If you have these qualities, someone will be willing to teach you the technical side of their business.

I do dont they are the worst company any one can work for

grocery-hr in Mantua, New Jersey said: Hi Interested, I currently work for one of the largest food distributors/retailers in the US. We currently have needs for high-volume "big box" Retail managers, HR Generalists, an Employee Relations Specialists and currently a Construction Project manager. I also have extensive networks throughout the Eastern Seaboard through my past as a Personnel Consultant, so I may be able to point you in the right direction if you let me know your background and experience.
Indeed is a GREAT source for openings, keep your alerts current and keep applying. Job searching should be an exciting, rewarding experience, see it as an opportunity to switch gears in your career or try something else you have always wanted to do. Employers today are looking for the right "person", meaning honesty, integrity, a strong work ethic, a good work history,ownership of your responsibilities. If you have these qualities, someone will be willing to teach you the technical side of their business.

[Personal attack removed] Grocery, I am a dispatcher for Mesa. I love my job, love my hours, love my time off, and I have no reason to complain.

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Mesa Sucks.

Please please dont work for Mesa. I quit after 5 months.
I had a 16 hrs work day, got into St Louis 4 hrs after schedule at 3 am. I was asleep in my hotel room at 6 am. I woke up to a security guard trying to enter my room!!!!!!!! Mesa was apparently trying to call my phone, but i didnt answer because i was sleeping. Security said call your boss, crew tracking. So i did. I was schedlued to fly out of St Louis at 3 pm. Crew tracking said I needed to be at the airport in 1 hour to fly to DC. I said hell no, FAA says I need 8 hrs rest and Im not going. I was transferred to supervisor who told me verbatim- If you dont get on that plane and work, you will be fired. I said screw this. I quit.