LOOKING FOR UNION APPRENTICSHIP PROGRAMS IN CONSTRUCTION/HEAVY EQUIPMENT/ BUILDING TRADES....

To Rick,
Would you agree with this statement? "If today I stand her as a revolutionary,it is as a revolutionary against the revolution"

no but in what context is the statement pertaining to a new country throwing out its leaders or new leaders turning against there country?

I should have put it as; Does this describe you and are you willing to be a revolutionary against a revolution?

exactly,if your revolting against a revolution the your either being nuetral or your on the side thats being revolted against you cant revolt against the revolution so what was your point?

The man who said this statement,said it at the sentencing phase of his trial.He was being tried for treason and for speaking out agaianst what he thought was a corrupt government.He organized people who thought just like he did,A group of "free thinkers" as he called them.They made a gallant but failed attempt to take control of the government by force.The government arrested him and his friends,tried and convicted them;but when it came time for sentencing,the judge took into consideration that these people had served there country and gave them the minumum sentence.Were they fairly treated by the government? And should the man and his friends be considered patriots for doing what they did?

To Rick in Newbury Park,
Do you think they were fairly treated by the government and should they be concidered patriots for doing what they did?Also take in to concideration that the judge took pity on them and gave them greatly reduced sentences. I am really courious about your answer.

i dont know what they did, i dont know what your talking about i just explained that if they committed a crime in there persuit the they should have been prosecuted but not for being free dude what the hell your try to ask a loaded question but if i dont know what the hell your talking about it doesnt work i just explained this in the last post

Why is it that you guys are turning this thread into a political argument rather than trying to help fellow operators.

Just a thought.

To Rick
I'm trying to get you to use your head for something other than a hat rack.A few simple questions was all that I asked.You accused me of being a "sheeple" becaused I disagreed with your opinion of what the current administration does or doesn't do.The man that I used in my example spoke out against a government that he said was corrupt and full of cover ups (same as you) He called for its overthrow by force(same as your buddy Aaron) The only difference is
that he took it to the next level and actually tried it.When I tried to explain to you(nicely) that you don't know what actually
goes on(unless you have the highest security clearance possible).
You came back with more of the sheeple,exerpts from a report made by the same government you call corrupt and a quote from a dead greek.Oh and paranoia about marshall law enacted by something that hasn't even happened yet.In case you're wondering who it was I was
refering to.The mans name was Adolf Hitler!We have checks and balances in this country to make sure that we don't let someone like a Hitler,a Napoleon,a Stalin or a Mao come to power.The very last resort being The Second Amendment.A lot of people are real quick to choose armed conflict to fix whatever problems we may have
Just remember one thing,It's other americans that are going to be shot.Be damn sure you have ALL your information and FACTS straight
before you make accusations and call for an overthrow that just might start another civil war.And just like Hitler,bring an entire nation crashing down around you and everone else.And Fred,If this caused you any distress in any way I am sorry and I appologize.This is my last word on the matter.Rick have some faith.
crashing down around you.

rick in Newbury Park, California said: CHENEY IS THE BIGGEST CROOK OF THEM ALL WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Heavenly Father . . .

We come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance.

We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil -- good' but that is exactly what we have done.

We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.

We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it Pluralism.

We have worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism.

We have endorsed perversion and called it alternative lifestyle.

We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.

We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.

We have killed our unborn and called it choice.

We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.

We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem.

We have abused power and called it politics.

We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.

We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of speech and expression.

We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our Forefathers and called it enlightenment.

Search us, Oh, God, And know our hearts today;

Cleanse us from every sin and set us free.

Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent to direct us to the center of Your will, to open ask it in the name of Your Son, the living Savior, Jesus Christ.

Amen!"

I agree with you brother. The american youth rate #1 in self asteem, The Chinese youth have the highest percentage of students recieving consistant A'S in math and so on. USA #14. We have a lost generation that dont know how or even want to work. This country was founded on Gods word now they don't want anything to do with it. So its not a suprise that USA is not mentioned in the last days of the Bible.

I am 56 and am looking for a career change into heavy Equipment operating looking for aprentce for myself and for son.. i have experience in front end loaders and back hole operateing I learn fast...

santos in Los Angeles, California said: do you guys think this a good school to go to www.cit-la.com/index.html?cause i am thinking about going to this one.thank you all inputs welcome.

YEAH ITS COOL IM GOING THERE NOW...... FOR CDL AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT....JUST GOT MY CLAS A PERMIT!!!+--

I want to know if I should go to a private school while waiting to get into an apprenticeship?

Try Operating Engineers Local 3. Im 370 in W.A. and Idaho.

Matthew Torres in Port Orchard, Washington said: I recently moved to the seattle area and need to contact the right people in order to join the local union. so far its not been to easy.

WHAT DO YOU NEED TO ENTER THE LOCAL UNION CAUSE IM AM INTERESTED TO JOIN. I HAVE LOTS OF EXPERIENCE AND I COME FROM NORTHER CALIFORNIA I NOW EVERYTHING FROM EQUIPMENT OF CONSTRUCTION UNDER GROUND. I NEVER WORKED FOR UNION I HAVED WORKED FOR PRIVILAGE WAGES. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN GIVE ME A NUMBER TO CALL. THANK GUADALUPE RAMIREZ.

are u legal to work in u.s.? are u from here?

yes i do have permit to work cause im fixing papers

your time is limited and you wont get into a union so enjoy it while u can abd get to the back of the line cause u wont fake everify thats what most are going to now so your lexmark wont do you much good anymore nuthing personal its not a race issue its a livelyhood issue but u wont take food out of my familys table ill send u packing the ol fashion way the good thing about no papers is no paper trail u could disapear and noone would even know so good luck with that your definently in persiut of the wrong career in the wrong part of the globe tick tock tic toc wont be long

yea baby tell him about that fake permit..thank you. anyway just completed the ats heo school in lecanto,fl. thinking about the apprentice program,was in in 1994,got work for less than a year on a gas pipe line. after that job, nothing was available so after about a year of no work...went on with life...are the unions still sending people out..how much is a book now ? thanks

yea ATS has schools that teach GPS..how to set it up not sure what the cost is...but from what Im told you get really great pay and jobs when you can do gps..this is the bottom of the ladder..its just catching on..you can get in the seat and set the gps...and when your grade is with in 1000 it will beep..you still operate..should be great for you young guys..

I AM ENTRY LEVEL CERTIFIED FOR HEAVY EQUIPMENT BUT ITS HARD TO FIND WORK SO MAYBE I CAN GET MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THE HELP OF THE RIGHT UNION.WHICH ONE WOULD THAT BE?

local 12 operating engineers main office is in pasadena but they cover all of southern cal and vegas good luck wit that lot of people on a and b list i dont see them taking any new guys but good luck if they aint taking no new guys on c-card try the apprentice program

I WENT TO A SCHOOL IN VICTORVILLE (ATS) AND GOT ENTRY LEVEL CERTIFIED BUT IM HAVINING A HARD TIME GETTING A JOB.IS THERE A APRENTICE PROGRAM I CAN GET INTO OR A UNION I CAN JOIN ,AND HOW DO I GO ABOUT DOING THAT?

you have to contact the local 12 office and ask them when the next test is and sign up for it then u got to wait depending on how well u score is how long it takes to get dispatched by the looks of things it could be awhile your behind a long list of experienced operators i can tell u from experience your not going to go to work right away you can still persue it but u need to have something on the back burner till that happens

Operating engineers local 12 has an apprentice program but don't get your hopes up about getting into a seat any time soon.This economy is still a mess and the jobs are few and far between even for the most experienced operators much less the rookies.You could try local 12 but I wouldn't get my hopes up

last time i checked i was 1200 on the b-list out of ventura that was 6 months ago havent been back i dunt even know where im at right now i prolly wont be back for awhile but i can tell u youngster its real hard right now they prolly have a surplus of apprentices sittin too they usually work 1 apprentice for every 6 operators or try to so if that gives you any insite how the system works good luck

no i was 35 on the b-list there was 1200 on the a-list out of ventura thats alot of people for ventura

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rick in Stokesdale, North Carolina said: no i was 35 on the b-list there was 1200 on the a-list out of ventura thats alot of people for ventura

Im at the top of the list up here with the OE3 and there is not crap going on been sitting for almost 1 1/2 years. Granted I drove truck for about 10 months of that to make ends meet. Try getting on with the wall and canal project that Granite and Kewit are working on out by Yuma and the Border.

appreciate the info,im gonna head back there in febuary i hope it picks up by then i been sittin for awhile myself ill have to check in the hall as soon as i get back which means theyll put me at the back of the line again prolly,i got a little bored and picked me up one of them dui's so im gonna have to go hide somewheres for a year till they give me my liscense back .....ammit man

Went from $60,000 a year (with some over time) to $24,000 a year (thats about $12 per hour). I'm union local 101, heavy equipment operator. I have 20 years exp. & am 44 years old & have seen these 20 year old "rats" that join the union and bad mouth the union, but they are the ones on the good jobs, including forman jobs. Can't understand it. My older "union all the way" friends and I are sitting at home without work and without insurance for our kids, while these young guys with no kids have insurance and jobs. I wish I had a place to move with work, I think I would relocate. I'm in Kansas now and there is no work. shanehfitz65@yahoo.com

i feel ya ,its pretty bad out here also,if you aint drinking with the forman or related you prolly wont work right now,damn i thought that stimulas was sposed to kick things in i think obama is eating his words right now i see him a one term president at this point,but congress is sweatin it cause they know next year is alot of reelections for them and i see alot of old time congressman looking for work after novembe2010 garaunteed them younger dudes prolly know someone and somehow passed u up on the list aint right but happens all the time

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ANYONE KNOW WHAT MATERIAL I CAN USE FOR STUDY TO PAST THE TEST TO GET INTO THE APPRENTICE PROGRAM?????

mechanical apptitude would help but there really is no test to help u study the apprentice test is designed to see what kind of commen sense and mechanical ability you have and how your brain figures things out,questions like if gear a is turning clockwise while gear b has 13 teeth what will gear c do? not thaqt thats a question but when i took it ,thats what kind of questions were on it,and basic math and what not

I am a recent graduate of Associated Training Services. I am trained in Heavy Equipment Operation. I have a valid Class A. I am looking for an apprenticeship or Union opportunity. Any advice, or possible leads would be very helpful.

AM ABOUT TO GET OUT OF THE MARINE CORPS IN LESS THEN A YEAR.AND I DID TWO COMBAT TOURS ONE IN IRAQ AND ONE IN AFGHANISTAN. AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS UNIONS IN THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES.ANY INFORMATION WILL BE GREAT.THANK YOU.

-SEMPER FIDELIS

operating engineers local 12 in pasedena,dont know if they are taking apprentices or not ,if not you have to be brought in on the c-list ,long wait alot of people out of work right now especially hard for the rookies,good luck

ROBERT,BENITEZ in Apo said: AM ABOUT TO GET OUT OF THE MARINE CORPS IN LESS THEN A YEAR.AND I DID TWO COMBAT TOURS ONE IN IRAQ AND ONE IN AFGHANISTAN . AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS UNIONS IN THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES.ANY INFORMATION WILL BE GREAT.THANK YOU.

-SEMPER FIDELIS

Check into the Helmets to Hardhats program may give you a better shot at getting in too!

M.Campbell in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania said: I AM CURRENTLY PREPARING TO MOVE TO APPLE VALLEY CALIFORNIA FROM THE EAST COAST CLEVELAND OHIO VIA PITTSBURGH,PA...I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE CARPENTRY AND RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION TRADES...I NEEED INFORMATION ON APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS IN THE APPLE VALLEY AREA....#S, ADDRESSES, E-MAIL,AND CONTACT INFO

i am a union operator and the pay is great when u work california nad our budget problem is effecting work its really slow so the union takes our money and gives us no work its a bad time for the union and i would think twice before giving them any money

M.Campbell in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania said: I AM CURRENTLY PREPARING TO MOVE TO APPLE VALLEY CALIFORNIA FROM THE EAST COAST CLEVELAND OHIO VIA PITTSBURGH,PA...I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE CARPENTRY AND RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION TRADES...I NEEED INFORMATION ON APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS IN THE APPLE VALLEY AREA....#S, ADDRESSES, E-MAIL,AND CONTACT INFO

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Bob Sarlin in Modesto, California said: I'm looking to get into a Union for Heavy Machinery Operation, I currently reside in the Bay Area. Anyone that can share some info on where to go/what to do is greatly appreciated!

Work hard, be smart, not lazy, and don't join any union.

wow is is it that hard to find work,,even after all of your training,,
seems to me that the unions don't have the work,i think a lot of the work is through the temp to perm agency's and thats in any trade,,not even government job agencies show any good paying jobs,they let temp firms advertise on there site for free,and then you usually have to pay to search for jobs on there site,,that sucks because we pay the taxes that run the state job shops.you may try tradesman international basically if you have worked non union or went through a non sponsored training program the union wont have you,,unless theirs a lot of work they cant cover,joining a union isn't that hard some will accept you just to keep you bound by a agreement,,but don't have the WORK