CAREER CHANGE TO HVAC?

stefan in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania said: ok here it is firstly the HVAC/R ranks are shrinking because the younger generation is afraid of hard work, on the other hand companies do very little to attract anyone to the field, let me see long hours, bad pay, little to no benefits, little to no vacation time, straight time for working weekends, holidays, and nights, that is until you have obtained 40 hours. ya who would would not want this great career choice.?
secondly ..once an hvac tech always an hvac tech. you work for the small mom an pop places what do you think your going to move up too.? wife.? owner.? or larger companies that around here you need to know someone to get in i.e union shops, hospitals, schools.
so as work increases, and lack of skilled or for that matter unskilled labor decreases, the owner of the company will raise prices, but your pay will not reflect the increase, trust me once again on that one. after 23 years in service i have learned a few things, one the customer is never right, and the other is believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear.

Or is it because of age discrimination?? You know age discrimination doesn't start at '40', it starts around 35 if not younger.. I am sick of hearing these bleeding heart articles about how badly this 'younger generation' has it -- they will be the biggest beneficiaries of the next economic expansion while older people are permanently unemployable if they aren't working because of ignorance & paranoia

Nick ,You hit it right on the nail, I worked for a Big company 20 years,When the S hit the fan 3 years ago,We where the first to go,cause we made too much.Now at 51 and 28 years in the trade trouble shooting big stuff,I found the only way to make it was over here in Afghanistan.Now I can make 4 times what i made back home,But there is a price to pay. We should start a company 40 years old and 20 years experience.

After trying to get back into the HVAC field for 2 years, I've finally given up on it. I'm going to finish school for computers/IT and HOPEFULLY I'll find something gainful. HVAC companies around here are a freaking joke- they want 3-5 (and in some cases 7-10) years of experience, and want to pay crap wages on top of that. I feel sorry for anyone who got suckered into going to school for this so-called trade, because they'll probably be lucky not to end up flipping burgers. I can't speak for other parts of the country, but around here there is NO future in HVAC- unless you like beating up your body for $9 an hour w/no benefits. Screw that. Would I recommend HVAC as a career choice? No freaking way!

john how much experience do you have, and i do agree that most places want your blood but do not compensate for it. my nephew is in IT he works sometimes 55 hours a week, on salery meaning no extra money for the overtime, but i have been doing HVAC service for 23 years and the pay is not to much better at this end either, a guy who has 10 years experience is making 2 bucks less per hour figure that out

stefen in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania said: john how much experience do you have, and i do agree that most places want your blood but do not compensate for it. my nephew is in IT he works sometimes 55 hours a week, on salery meaning no extra money for the overtime, but i have been doing HVAC service for 23 years and the pay is not to much better at this end either, a guy who has 10 years experience is making 2 bucks less per hour figure that out

I have about 3 years altogether. One thing to keep in mind about your nephew- he might be working 55 hour weeks, but he's not killing himself. The same workweek in HVAC would feel twice as long... and you probably wouldn't make much more than he would.

The question I have asked myself is whether I'll be able to do HVAC work in 20 years... probably not.

Installs definitely beat you up a bit. Getting yourself into service is better in the long run but also has it's downside like getting calls in the middle of the night or all weekend when it's your turn.

joe in Bridgewater, Massachusetts said: Installs definitely beat you up a bit. Getting yourself into service is better in the long run but also has it's downside like getting calls in the middle of the night or all weekend when it's your turn.

Hi Joe

I am mostly on the Fault finding/service side of the trade and would agree what you say about Installation work. This type of work however can get you $380 - 450 for a small back to back split system before tax if you are in a business of your own which I am planning to give a go in about half a year time.

It`s actually quite popular here for bigger companies and retailers to use Subbies Just for the image and for the peace of mind during the peak times.

I just wander how hard it is to set up a small Journeyman business in the States and if it works like that at all?

I believe in the States you'd need a contractors Lic but then again it could vary from State to State. I know that in Massachusetts you would, things are getting pretty tight, you can't even do a simple cut in with out your Sheet Metal Lic. I've heard that there's a lot of work down there but it takes quite a while to get the work papers

well im a 17 yr old from that is doing hvac in my high school and this a serious trade but i need to find some colleges for this in houston texas but i have no leads can someone help me please

i will offer a advice to the younger guys and a suggestion to the older guys who or tossing around entering the HVAC field. Get out while you can.!! I have 22 years in service and i am not making much more than i was 22 years ago if you factor in inflation, no benefits (Which is the norm for most HVAC companies) bad hours ripped off with your overtime, no retirement plans. Now if you have the experience then the best thing to do is try to work for yourself. just you , solo. for the new guys do not try this until you have at least 10-12 years under your belt.
One thing less experienced guys need to understand and those thinking of a career change is this 90+% of the people you will work for are cheep A-holes, One constant factor you need to always remember is this about the person you work for, "It is all about them" If you have college degree, i can think of 1000 other things you can change into and this is not one of them. and the person you will have the misfortune to work for will not care how many degrees you have, it will not get "YOU" any more money, if, if it does benefit your employer. WHY? just remember what i said "It's all about them" and THEM is your BOSS.
Best thing to do if you really want to take this road is go try for a union but many of the good jobs like those and schools, hospitals, universities. comes down to not so much WHAT but WHO you know, unions included. Trust me i have worked with people that did not know a screwdriver from a hammer but got the job because they knew someone.
Had i had internet and forums such as this one 23 years ago, i would not be in this field today and having a S*#T life.
So for those of you who do not take what i say to heart, all i can say is "I told you so" if this sinking trade is ever going to get better, the owners need to first loose the "It's all about me" attitude, and remember who buys their toys for them.

Well I got suckered going into a school for this trade, but the name of the course was Maintenance tech, but it had HVAC in it also, with that being said and for what I hear of this HVAC trade.I'm going to apply just to Maintenance Tech. At first I was debating on just focus on HVAC, but not now.

GREAT ADVICE Stefan!!

HI im 20 years old i just started hvac technical course 2 years.
I was just wondering is this a good career choice or did i just make a mistaked.I also want to know how much would i make when i get certified. THe reason i picked this career i went to the webpage.
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS Hvac tech made 40,000 grand a year thats not bad so what is your opinions. please only serious ppl answer.

Well, it's kinda late if you have been studying HVAC for two years. Anyway, HVAC can be a rewarding career. I have seen so many come into the field and only become a marginal technician because they do not continue learning and then attend as many weekend seminars / sessions as possible to keep current with the everchanging technology. If you're going to be an HVAC tech be the best. Go Commercial and leave the small homeowner stuff to the unambitious. Learn about chillers and controls and commercial walkins. Try getting on with a major chiller company like Trane etc. Good Luck!

Ben in London, United Kingdom said: I am currently studying part-time in the second year of an HND in Building Services Engineering here in the UK (equivalent to an Associates degree in the US I think) and have been working as a Junior Mechanical Engineer for a large Building Services and general engineering consultancy for around 6 months. I may need to relocate to the US and would appreciate any further advice regarding courses, apprenticeships etc., preferably union run, available in the US, particularly the Bay Area or Chicago regions.

My wife is American so I should have no problems with the immigration requirements but I am interested to know how much job trusting and residency qualifications play a part in getting onto apprenticeships if you are from abroad. I went in for the engineering rather than HVAC service and maintenance route here because apprenticeships and technical courses are hard to come by, but I want to go for the practical side given this is available in the US. I am therefore also interested to know if having an engineering qualification, design and well grounded in theory, but not so practical, would be of help to me in the US. All advice and information is much appreciated.

Ben, to get the most oout of what you have studied, you will have to live in one of the larger cities and become a licensed stationary engineer or boiler operator etc. Howeer, you picked two of the crappiest places in the entire US to live. There isn't enough money in the world to get me to live iin Chicago or San Francisco Bay Area. Try San Diego or Houston.

Commercial HVAC is a field all to it's own the companies here in the area will not touch you unless you started in commercial from day one, the unions will not touch you unless you know someone and the guys i have spoken to here that do commercial are only making 20 to 21 no benefits.
As for training great i am all for it the DDC class in Maryland will cost 6ooousd for one week cannot swing that, couldn't get a week off, and would not pay itself back. as for training after work forget that to your on call and the boss doesn't give a darn you will miss more classes then you attend, tried that when i was going back to university, had to save money and quit the HVAC business altogether to have the time to return to it.
No 23 years working for a bunch of ignorant, cheep MF's and trying to get into a union or commercial shop was enough i got out of the business altogether, i work IT make mid 40's to sit on my butt, and do hvac on the side and make doing that for the first time real money. cannot climb ladders with vac pumps tools torches up onto roofs when your 60 but i sure can sit on my butt when i am
HVAC business owners are famous for not sending their people to training, because they think your going to leave and they are not going to pay you more. the only class they send you to is SALES because it is a win win for them and a loose loose for the tech.

they have stationary engineers course here through the community college from local 95 it is 2 years but that will not guarantee you a job. unless you know someone, most jobs like that are word of mouth but most are that pay well and the guys marry the job. union is your best bet. i know places around here where half the building is related.

Stephanie in El Cajon, California said: Absolutely! HVAC is a great career to go into. I currently work in San Diego and have helped a company start a HVAC training program because the industry continues to lose their journeymen to retirement. The pay is excellent, in San Diego you can make from 13.00-18.00 in the first year. The sky is the limit after you have a few years of experience.
To cement the fact that HVAC is an excellent career choice, look around at everything that needs to be refrigerated (airplanes, buildings, refrigerated trucks, ships) as the climate changes and the summer gets longer, AC will become mandatory in more and more areas.
Not only can you make money with a company, you can also work on your own and take on projects after hours. All the HVAC techs I know easily bring in $80,000 a year.

To Stephanie in El Cajon: Do you recommend a trade school, or apprenticeship? And what cost should be expected in trade school? - Can a person get student loans for the trade school? Thanks - RickNPhx

I just finish Schooling in HVAC and I'm 608 certified. I'm going for my 609 cerd.

Hell no! Run away. There are a million and 1a better, cleaner, and safer ways to earn a living. There is just not enough money in the world for me to prolong my agony in this THANKLESS, GOD FORSAKEN Trade! Ask yourself. Would u put up with a woman who put you through as much nonsense as the hvac trade does every second of every day of this short life???? Quit while your ahead and do something your wife, children, parents, and friends can be proud of. Be an intellectual individual and forget about this stupid field. Dump the tool bag and carry a leather briefcase. The trades make u grunt and smell. Be a THINKER, not a stinker...

FedUp in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: The trades make u grunt and smell. Be a THINKER, not a stinker...

You could wear that nice suit and be a thinker, but sooner or later you would stink again because you cant make a living with your brain.

Fatman in Toronto, Ontario said: You could wear that nice suit and be a thinker, but sooner or later you would stink again because you cant make a living with your brain.

this i would have to strongly disagree.. take the owner of the company is he making more or less money than his employees.? and is he getting dirty to do it.?
Every trade/job has it's ups and downs, it's good and bad, but to be honest after i did HVAC service for 23 years and still was not making over 20 dollars per hour one needs to ask thmeselves some very serious questions. and then when you leave or get laidoff and get another job, they want to pay you 3, 4, or 5 dollars less than what you where making at the last job. so then you have 23 years experience making 14 or 15 dollars an hour, come on! that is no money in todays society, you could qualify for food stamps with that. until the owners of these non-union shops want to pay a living wage with benefits,and some sort of retirement, and a proper overtime (After 8) and all day on weekends, then let them complain that they cannot find people to work.. it's their own darn falt.

My advice to anyone under 30 about HVAC would be RUN WHILE YOU #ING CAN! I wasted the last years of my 20's pursuing an HVAC degree at Macomb Community College in Warren, MI. I can never get that healthy, youthful time back. I'm actually worse off having the degree and my AAGS than if I just had an HSD. Every GD employer in my Rust Belt sinking ship of a state requires 3-5 years XP MINIMUM just to change frigging filters and tune up furnaces, we're not even talking about real HVAC work. My worst decision besides pissing time and taxpayer money on my toilet paper HVAC degree was saying no to an MRCC 1102 millwrighting apprenticeship in 2008, before the economy completely imploded. Now my "eligibility" with the 1102 means I have no chance in Tartarus because there's no work to apprentice anyone. I'm also on "eligibility" with IBEW 58, but those @zzholes want me to blow money on 2 "trade-related" courses or somehow scab for some contractor for 1000 hours to get in front of the JATC board, not a guarantee of apprenticeship. This country is FUBAR, the skilled trades have been gutted to join the new permanent underclass with the rest of us slobs not rich or talented enough to be #ing politicians or trust-fund, test-tube babies. I say become a gunsmith or a farmer, bullets and food will be worth more than gold when this country implodes from it's stupidity and greed in 2012.

I wish I could afford this GD degree, my AAS in Climate Control Technology did ZERO to get me hired in HVAC service. Doesn't help when you have low-ball employers demanding 3-5 years' MINIMUM XP to work for $12/hr. I'd also have to take a year of Trig and Calc before even going to FSU, because higher math killed my hopes of finishing college at MSU before. I %ing suck at higher math, but every engineer in my family or I've ever known told me they maybe use HALF of the BS they were forced to do in college and forget the rest, or they use software suites that do all the b@tchwork for them. Who am I kidding? I'm 30, have barely any money to my name, and will never work a day in HVAC. Might as well ring up GD groceries at ALDI till I'm fired in my 50's for costing the health plan too much money. Not having a purpose or career sucks.

most maintenance departments require their workers to know something of HVAC this way they can have you repair it or if you cant then they call a heating company, it's about saving money. it is a place to start doing hvac and then you will have the few years experience to apply for the people that want at least 3 or so, one thing about training for new and higher tech things in the HVAC field is this you pay you go and your boss doesn't give you more money but will use your new skill trust me on that one. so if you get more education on your own don't tell them because you will just be used.
speaking of experience here to have a chance of getting into 449 for apprentiship you need 2 years of trade school in hvac, and 5 years in the field, so much from starting from scratch.
The best place to go is commercial, screw the residentual stuff it is less pay and more headaches.

Dmj in Houston, Texas said: I'am a 35year old male about to make a career change from carpentry to HVAC,I would like to know is HVAC a good career or not? SERIOUS ANSWERS PLEASE,THANK YOU!

Depends on what your looking for, if you take the time to go to school and get a degree then you can move away from the feild so you dont have to kill your self, other wise you will prob. spend the next 10+ years as a installer/service tech witch will be hell on your body

if you are serious about making a change to hvac you should know, atleast the first two years you will eather start in a maintenance devision cleaning units in peoples home under someone else, or you will be doing installs. if you have a choice never ever choose install, because once you are labled as an installer most companys will not hire you as a service tech ever. if you are maintenance chummy up to the best service tech in your company and glue yourself to his hip and learn everything you can from him, there is very little chance for training oterwise, unless you join a union company(that is your best chance for advancement but journyman training takes forever and you go where your told). I am now 41yrs old can nolonger work because i have restrictive lung disease from inhaling refrigerant and gases from welding not intentionally!! I started with a company in florida (tricounty ac in nokomis fl) they were preaty good i chummyed with there service manager at the time, became best friends with him, i started in service, as I had some background from industrial maint., i struggled, but was offered a position to assist there one and only commercial service tech of 30yrs experiance and did everything for him, and i mean everything for a full year, that was the best training i ever got, and i voluntered for everything. i have done it all in my twelve years in the field from install service commercial industrial and refigeration. it is a very hard life on call all the time and in the begining very low pay figure $12.00 per hour to start. at 12years i got to $17.85per hr, but i tall too much, or i would have made more, and would have become a manager, which i would suggest be your goal or you wont last this job is very hard emotionally and phisically. one other suggestion check out sears (a&e factory services) this was where i am now(out on fmla because of my lung disease) they are the best of all my employers. good luck paul

I agree, I got a 3.7 GPA in school and had other students asking me for help when it came to trouble shooting. Then when I got my first couple jobs I did installs and now because I have more experience with that it's tough finding Tech work. There are upsides to installs, you do your work and go home with no after hours or on calls, but it beats you up a bit, still I'd rather be doing service, maybe.

i be done with HVAC soon i work for my self but going back for my Industrial Technology or Programmable Logic Controller Associate. I did a ride a long with a hvac company didnt like the pay i mean the man made the company 231K last year but he only made about 70k

I'm 42 and I'm in desperate need of a career change cause quite frankly I don't have any marketable skills (I've been doing security and even drove a cab for while and worked my way into screwed up situation with no real opportunities after a short stin in The US Navy) so I've chosen to go for HVAC training and currently doing a course with Ashworth College but it honestly not offering me a real skill set that I need for this kind of career, So my question is are there any companies or unions in the DC Area that would train someone like me with no experience in this field.

You guys are freaking stupid seriously. You guys talking down this trade are some serious uneducated hacks. That's why I'm always fixing your hacked up crap, because you have no pride in what you do. I have been in the hvac trade for almost four years, and make nearly $30.00 here in San Diego. I have had 1 slow week in 2009 where I got 32 hours. Besides that I always get my forty. Iv been going to school for this while I work. I'm also an apprentice in the UA HVAC APrenticeship. I am over scale, but I make work. Commercial is the way to go. All you unhappy hacks in Florida complaing about work, get the hell out. Iv never scene an A/C in a swamp. Go find work you terds. If you put pride in to your work, get educated, and network, you will be OK. Seriously. But for you country folks, I'm sorry, there ain't to many a/c's in a farm or woods. It definitly is what you make it and you have to work hard. I have to say, I work on package units, splits, ddc controls, chillers, Lieberts, I just learn and work. My dad has has been in the field 25+ years, and we live in a 3400 sq ft house, on 1/2 acre, always lived good as a kid. So you do the math. Do your homework, look for a good company. Trust I started at 14.00 an hour. Four years later im almost at 30.00 an hour, and I have side work. It's a great field, as long as you get an education, experience, and your not a lousy hack like half of these mofos on here. Ohh and your customers are everything. Good customer service pays off. So look professional. Don't look like a homeless lazy bum fresh out of bed, or a trash can. A lot of guys in this trade are lazy, red neck, terds, who smell and don't shave, so if your clean, your already out beat these hacks. Good luck my fellow mates.

Dmj in Houston, Texas said: I'am a 35year old male about to make a career change from carpentry to HVAC,I would like to know is HVAC a good career or not? SERIOUS ANSWERS PLEASE,THANK YOU!

You guys are freaking stupid seriously. You guys talking down this trade are some serious uneducated hacks. That's why I'm always fixing your hacked up crap, because you have no pride in what you do. I have been in the hvac trade for almost four years, and make nearly $30.00 here in San Diego. I have had 1 slow week in 2009 where I got 32 hours. Besides that I always get my forty. Iv been going to school for this while I work. I'm also an apprentice in the UA HVAC APrenticeship. I am over scale, but I make work. Commercial is the way to go. All you unhappy hacks in Florida complaing about work, get the hell out. Iv never scene an A/C in a swamp. Go find work you terds. If you put pride in to your work, get educated, and network, you will be OK. Seriously. But for you country folks, I'm sorry, there ain't to many a/c's in a farm or woods. It definitly is what you make it and you have to work hard. I have to say, I work on package units, splits, ddc controls, chillers, Lieberts, I just learn and work. My dad has has been in the field 25+ years, and we live in a 3400 sq ft house, on 1/2 acre, always lived good as a kid. So you do the math. Do your homework, look for a good company. Trust I started at 14.00 an hour. Four years later im almost at 30.00 an hour, and I have side work. It's a great field, as long as you get an education, experience, and your not a lousy hack like half of these mofos on here. Ohh and your customers are everything. Good customer service pays off. So look professional. Don't look like a homeless lazy bum fresh out of bed, or a trash can. A lot of guys in this trade are lazy, red neck, terds, who smell and don't shave, so if your clean, your already out beat these hacks. Good luck my fellow mates.

Dmj in Houston, Texas said: Is it true that HVAC is seasonal work? It suppose to be a lot of work in the summer,and slow in the winter is that true Stephanie?

and its not seasonal, not if you know what you doing. Maintance contracts pay off. change filters, clean coils, sell contractors, stay busy. There is not 1 roof top in this country that docent have a mechanical problem. seek out

gjharris61 in Washington, District of Columbia said: I'm 42 and I'm in desperate need of a career change cause quite frankly I don't have any marketable skills (I've been doing security and even drove a cab for while and worked my way into screwed up situation with no real opportunities after a short stin in The US Navy) so I've chosen to go for HVAC training and currently doing a course with Ashworth College but it honestly not offering me a real skill set that I need for this kind of career, So my question is are there any companies or unions in the DC Area that would train someone like me with no experience in this field.

Well I hate to break it to you but age discrimination is rampant just like it is in many other fields in the 'new economy' of today. They would rather hire some kid who barely graduated high school to start out at $16 an hour because he is 'trainable' & can be 'groomed' but someone who changes careers is looked at with suspicion and is put on the defensive..
And don't believe these sales pitches from these schools. To me many of these 'admissions representatives' sounded like they were selling health club memberships or used cars with their high pressure & rainbows/unicorn fantasies.

Well I hate to break it to you but age discrimination is rampant just like it is in many other fields in the 'new economy' of today. They would rather hire some kid who barely graduated high school to start out at $16 an hour because he is 'trainable' & can be 'groomed' but someone who changes careers is looked at with suspicion and is put on the defensive..
And don't believe these sales pitches from these schools. To me many of these 'admissions representatives' sounded like they were selling health club memberships or used cars with their high pressure & rainbows/unicorn fantasies.

As for seasonal it depends on your location and the type of HVAC your doing, Tech vs. Install. In the Northeast if you do installs or residential service there can be layoffs, even Commercial Cos. have Layoffs. Gee maybe we should all move to sunny Ca., how many of us would be working then??

Nick L in Medford, Massachusetts said: Well I hate to break it to you but age discrimination is rampant just like it is in many other fields in the 'new economy' of today. They would rather hire some kid who barely graduated high school to start out at $16 an hour because he is 'trainable' & can be 'groomed' but someone who changes careers is looked at with suspicion and is put on the defensive..
And don't believe these sales pitches from these schools. To me many of these 'admissions representatives' sounded like they were selling health club memberships or used cars with their high pressure & rainbows/unicorn fantasies.

I agree and have had two Cos. that I applied at ask me my age, what are you gonna say, no I'm not telling you?? That won't get you far, then you tell them just how old you are after they say they love your Resume and you never hear from them again. It's a very Discriminatory Trade

Most people in all trades over here in Iraq and Afghanistan are in there 40s 50s and 60s. Very few young people

Most people in all trades over here in Iraq and Afghanistan are in there 40s 50s and 60s. Very few young people

I've checked out the overseas jobs, they also had age limits

AFGANISTAN in Houston, Texas said: Most people in all trades over here in Iraq and Afghanistan are in there 40s 50s and 60s. Very few young people

Ive checked out the overseas jobs and they had age limits

srnjr in East Bridgewater, Massachusetts said: Ive checked out the overseas jobs and they had age limits

Well you got some wrong info, I am in my 50s,I started over here when i was 48 after working in Mass, for 24 years as a Tech.and After working over here I will hofully never get in a Van again. Every one i work with is 50 or 60s and all salarys are over 100.000 a year.

Afghanistan in Houston, Texas said: Well you got some wrong info, I am in my 50s,I started over here when i was 48 after working in Mass, for 24 years as a Tech.and After working over here I will hofully never get in a Van again. Every one i work with is 50 or 60s and all salarys are over 100.000 a year.

In Massachusetts (especially most of eastern MA) you are considered 'too old' or 'aged out' if you are over 35.. Funny how many HVAC positions here ask for 3-5 years of specific experience but all these kids who look 18-25 have no problem finding employment and seem to have a ton of money to do what they want with

Nick L in Medford, Massachusetts said: In Massachusetts (especially most of eastern MA) you are considered 'too old' or 'aged out' if you are over 35.. Funny how many HVAC positions here ask for 3-5 years of specific experience but all these kids who look 18-25 have no problem finding employment and seem to have a ton of money to do what they want with

I agree that the trade is hard. The only way you will make money in this trade is own your own company or be a trouble shooter on the big stuff.Any one can install or work on the small stuff. But not every one can trouble shoot the big stuff,Thats where you need guys with 10 to 15 years in the trade, I work at a major chiller service company for 19 years and hated most of those years,But now i can get work all over the world. So HVAC has been good to me. Now working over seas making 3 times the money. I started over here at 48 years old and i dont see anyone coming over here under 35

I agree , after working a number of years for small companies that only worked me seasonally at best , I moved to western Washington State for an almost national company that relocated me , and will provide paid training to me to increase my skills to the super market level. My pay is now full time and at a much better rate , involving commercial accounts. I am now 46 and am enjoying the company and accounts I work for . Being able to troubleshoot absolutely is a must though and I hope to never go back to working for residential , part time back breaking unappreciative companies again.

Just saying what the website said

firstlt folks is you are being asked your age by anyone on the phone or in an interview.. report them it is aginst the law.. look it up.. if you are asked your age respectfully decline it is your right to but it is not the other persons right to ask. if it is one thing i have learned when i studied business and HR in university is that. is the "Age discrimination in Employment Act of 1973" basically states "Makes it unlawful to discriminate aginst employees or applicants for employment who are 40 years old or older. oh and that amendment also ended mandatory retirement.
so like i said if they are asking your age or even hinting on disqualifying you because of your age blow the whistle on them.
and would you really want to work for a company like that anyway.. ?

I thought that one of the Cos. that I had the phone interview with was a good Co., from what I heard they had a good reputation but I wouldn't work for them now. It makes me wonder what they do when there Employees get older. As for reporting or confronting them well lets just say that won't work, there not going to say that they asked and I've learned that people say things and they won't admit to it either.

stefen griff in pittsburgh, Pennsylvania said: firstlt folks is you are being asked your age by anyone on the phone or in an interview.. report them it is aginst the law.. look it up.. if you are asked your age respectfully decline it is your right to but it is not the other persons right to ask. if it is one thing i have learned when i studied business and HR in university is that. is the "Age discrimination in Employment Act of 1973" basically states "Makes it unlawful to discriminate aginst employees or applicants for employment who are 40 years old or older. oh and that amendment also ended mandatory retirement.
so like i said if they are asking your age or even hinting on disqualifying you because of your age blow the whistle on them.
and would you really want to work for a company like that anyway.. ?

Nope, thought they were a good Co. but I was wrong and it makes me wonder what they do when there Employees get a little older

If you want to change careers think seriously what you want from a job. How important is job satisfaction, comfort, benefits, time with family,etc. My wife did a career change. She went back to school at age 42, a two year college. She got an Associates Degree in Nursing. She graduated in 2005 and took a job here in Houston. She is now a nurse manager making $90,640 plus bonuses and shift differentials. Taxable income this year was $109,000. Men are needed in Nursing and advance fast if they continue their education. My wife went online with Liberty University and turned her ADN into a BSN and is now working on her Masters. It isn't as hard as you thin and there is plenty help out there. Take any job at a hospital and after 6 months they will pay for your education and books.It is a clean enviroment cool in summer and warm in winter. Think about it, as an HVAC man you arrive on the job and the AC is broken. You sweat your fanny off till you get it fixed and then you leave to go to another hot job. The dirty stuff gets done by Nursing Assistants an RN does the repsponsible stuff like issueing medicines, speaking with doctors, etc. Great insurance and plenty time off. Check it oput if you want a real job change.

Remajohn at this point in my life I'm willing to try anything my problem is paying for school and I am applying to area hospitals. Right know in my life I'm doing dirt ball bad. But it is a idea I have never considered I will start looking into it.