Why are there so many nasty, bitter women in this field?

Every law office I've worked has had several women in it that are just, bitter nasty people. I remember when I first started in this field there were two women in that office that were just mean for no reason other than the fact that they could be.

Now I work with an OCD freak that has to have everything done her way or all hell breaks loose. I have had to bite my tongue on so many occassions. I can't wait for the day I can just give my two weeks and get out of this place. I got a job offer a few weeks back but it was for working for 2 women attorneys and I declined because I just had a bad feeling.

I know the attorneys can always be horrible, but I found I have noticed that the staff can be equally as awful.

I think offices in general are just NOT FOR ME.

tessie425 in New York, New York said: Every law office I've worked has had several women in it that are just, bitter nasty people. I remember when I first started in this field there were two women in that office that were just mean for no reason other than the fact that they could be.

Now I work with an OCD freak that has to have everything done her way or all hell breaks loose. I have had to bite my tongue on so many occassions. I can't wait for the day I can just give my two weeks and get out of this place. I got a job offer a few weeks back but it was for working for 2 women attorneys and I declined because I just had a bad feeling.

I know the attorneys can always be horrible, but I found I have noticed that the staff can be equally as awful.

I think offices in general are just NOT FOR ME.

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While that is true in all fields; it seems worst in the legal field. I am back in school to get out of this crazy field forever after almost 30 years. There are some real B's who work in law, and not all of them are attorneys.

Some women are just that way. I don't know why some women choose to be hateful to other women. Cattiness runs amock in all fields.

When you find out why women act like this, let me know. I have almost thirty years in this field and yes, female attorneys do live and thrive on being the nastiest, most unreasonable people in the world. Women are catty anyway, but an effort should be made not to be unnecessarily nasty. I once saw a saying on a church marquis: "Rudeness is a weak person's imitation of strength." The real question is why do they have a job? Nice women just as competent are unemployed.

Even worse is a bitchy control freak man at least women can blame it on their period. Just smile at them. Nasty people hate happy people because it reminds them of how much they hate themselves.

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While that is true in all fields; it seems worst in the legal field. I am back in school to get out of this crazy field forever after almost 30 years. There are some real B's who work in law, and not all of them are attorneys.

i feel the same way after approx. 25 yrs - what are you going to school for?

If everyone where you worked knew you were being paid $10-$30 per hour to do work for which attorneys get paid in the neighborhood of $100-$300 per hour, you'd be bitter too.

Mezosub in Newport Beach, California said: If everyone where you worked knew you were being paid $10-$30 per hour to do work for which attorneys get paid in the neighborhood of $100-$300 per hour, you'd be bitter too.

I am out of work, have been in the legal field for 20 years and refuse to work in that field any longer, I'd rather be poor.

my question is what field do you go into after you have been in the legal field for over 20 years without starting way at the bottom money wise - or should you just suck it up until you retire and never hire an attorney for anything

I was referring to attorneys' compensation. In SoCal, starting compensation for first year associates is about $130K annually, and they bill out between $250 and $350 per hour, depending upon practice area. If you assume that they need to work 2200 hours per year in order to achieve 1900 in billables, that works out to about $60.00 per hour. That's the lowest compensation they will ever receive over the course of a practitioner's career.

Now, extrapolate that to a partner who has been practicing for 20 years, bills out at $500-$600 per hour, earns $250K, and still works 2200 hours per year. That works out to about $115.00 per hour. As their compensation goes up, so does their cut of what they bill out.

Mezosub in Newport Beach, California said: If everyone where you worked knew you were being paid $10-$30 per hour to do work for which attorneys get paid in the neighborhood of $100-$300 per hour, you'd be bitter too.

Hi Mezosub - I left my last job in '06 at $55K. I was working for 2 named partners and 2 associates plus processing and mailing all of the client bills in addition to a little A/R and banking. I turned down an offer of $59K in '05 for a word processor/floater position. I wanted to focus on my exit from the industry at the time. While I was making that 55K, the partners for whom I worked were making roughly $350K. I thought it was outrageous that these guys were making 7x what I made. They weren't that much more than I was. These attys can't have a practice without staff members doing all the b!tchwork; yet they milk them for everything they can possibly get and give back as little as possible in return.

This is no excuse to be rude and nasty, but it's a reason. I read a lot on this forum about nasty coworker secretaries and paralegals. All of my probs were w/attys and never w/staff. My experience was that the staff supported each other, and at my last firm - there were only 3 of us - we looked out for each other. Sometimes it seemed as if the secretaries banded together to support themselves against the attys, but when it came to actually standing up to an atty for a sec, I never saw that. These girls still needed to eat and pay rent.

tessie425 in New York, New York said: Every law office I've worked has had several women in it that are just, bitter nasty people. I remember when I first started in this field there were two women in that office that were just mean for no reason other than the fact that they could be.

Now I work with an OCD freak that has to have everything done her way or all hell breaks loose. I have had to bite my tongue on so many occassions. I can't wait for the day I can just give my two weeks and get out of this place. I got a job offer a few weeks back but it was for working for 2 women attorneys and I declined because I just had a bad feeling.

I know the attorneys can always be horrible, but I found I have noticed that the staff can be equally as awful.

I think offices in general are just NOT FOR ME.

Are you working in a large law firm or small firm?

I've worked in both....

I honestly can't believe that a secretary/legal assistant/paralegal or whatever you want to call yourselves believe that your compensation should be anywhere near what an attorney makes. Are you guys really serious? Have you gone to law school? Do you have student loans that exceed those of a house purchase? Have you taken and passed the bar exam?

After being a legal secretary for nearly 30 years' -- yes, I'm proud of the title, I don't consider what I do grunt work at all. Although I still call myself a secretary, attorneys refer to me as their legal assistant, paralegal, wonder woman and one even calls me the CEO. Along with all my responsibilities and duties, I'm an office mother, priest, magician . . .

I'm compensated quite nicely for my skills, knowledge, expertise and experience. If you don't like working in the legal field, then get out. If you don't like the compensation, then get out.

If the attorneys, secretaries, legal assistants, paralegals, etc., are mean, rude and nasty, then maybe you should look in the mirror for the reason, or get a thicker skin.

happy in Colorado in Broomfield, Colorado said: I honestly can't believe that a secretary/legal assistant/paralegal or whatever you want to call yourselves believe that your compensation should be anywhere near what an attorney makes. Are you guys really serious? Have you gone to law school? Do you have student loans that exceed those of a house purchase? Have you taken and passed the bar exam?

After being a legal secretary for nearly 30 years' -- yes, I'm proud of the title, I don't consider what I do grunt work at all. Although I still call myself a secretary, attorneys refer to me as their legal assistant, paralegal, wonder woman and one even calls me the CEO. Along with all my responsibilities and duties, I'm an office mother, priest, magician . . .

I'm compensated quite nicely for my skills, knowledge, expertise and experience. If you don't like working in the legal field, then get out. If you don't like the compensation, then get out.

If the attorneys, secretaries, legal assistants, paralegals, etc., are mean, rude and nasty, then maybe you should look in the mirror for the reason, or get a thicker skin.

Why is it that people always suggest that someone who is tired of being treated poorly by nasty people "look in the mirror" or get a "thicker skin". Why does the "nice" person get blamed for "allowing" themselves to be abused? Perhaps they just aren't cut out to be "assertive" (a nice word for being a bully), or maybe they just need their job so badly that they have no choice but to put up with the behavior that has become the norm in our increasingly narcissistic society. You clearly have never felt unappreciated or underpaid or used or abused in your 30 years of experience - and as such you are very lucky. If it doesn't bother you to be called the "CEO" on 1/4 of what your boss probably makes, then more power to you. But something tells me that since you were on this forum in the first place, you arent as happy as you claim to be

Hi BJ are you a paralegal or legal secretary now?

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Really.

I meant that many people, especially those at the level of a "secretary", don't have the luxury of easily "getting out" as suggested by Happy in Colorado. Sometimes we have to put up with rude, mean and nasty people no matter how much we want to get out. I am not suggesting it is impossible, or that you shouldn't try, but when you have bills to pay and mouths to feed, it is easy to feel trapped in a bad situation.

Ms Gucci in Hollywood, Florida said: Hi BJ are you a paralegal or legal secretary now?[/QUOTE

I have been a legal secretary/assistant for over 10 years now.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: Precisely my point when I wrote "really" in my post, above. This situation is especially true if one is over fifty and in a tight market.

Solution? Try to hold onto the job for as long as possible. Be prepared to suck it up and swallow bitter bile in the meantime.

Guess I thought the "really" was a fecicious (sp?) question rather than a statement. Note that a little wine rinses away that taste of bile at the end of the day. Just joking - sort of. All any of us can do is keep holding on and hope for better days ahead, whether employed by a jerk or looking to be employed by a jerk. Keep the faith!

happy in Colorado in Broomfield, Colorado said: I honestly can't believe that a secretary/legal assistant/paralegal or whatever you want to call yourselves believe that your compensation should be anywhere near what an attorney makes. Are you guys really serious? Have you gone to law school? Do you have student loans that exceed those of a house purchase? Have you taken and passed the bar exam?

After being a legal secretary for nearly 30 years' -- yes, I'm proud of the title, I don't consider what I do grunt work at all. Although I still call myself a secretary, attorneys refer to me as their legal assistant, paralegal, wonder woman and one even calls me the CEO. Along with all my responsibilities and duties, I'm an office mother, priest, magician . . .

I'm compensated quite nicely for my skills, knowledge, expertise and experience. If you don't like working in the legal field, then get out. If you don't like the compensation, then get out.

If the attorneys, secretaries, legal assistants, paralegals, etc., are mean, rude and nasty, then maybe you should look in the mirror for the reason, or get a thicker skin.

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I've worked for attorneys for 22 years and ONE thing I have learned for certain, they are ALL cut from the same bolt of cloth. Regardless of how nice and courteous the relationship begins, attorneys will ALWAYS revert to what is natural, and that means taking it out on those they consider fall beneath them. I draft letters, motions, etc. and completely handle the estate administrations for the office and STILL my female attorney treats me like I'm a rug under her feet. One minute she's nice, the next she'll cut your head off. There is NO basis for it either. If you try to be helpful to her, she considers it an affront. If you stay clear of her, she thinks you're not doing your job. You can't win. I hate it when people say "don't take it personally." Really? It is personal as far as I'm concerned.

I am so glad that I am not the only person who feels this way. I entered this field 3 years ago and moved my family from Ohio to Arizona to take a job as a Legal Assistant. I did not get proper training, but learned quickly. I have worked at 3 different firms in 3 years. I have been fired from all 3, one wouldn't give a reason (so that just meant that the evil office administrator was bored with me and didn't like my new hair color), the 2nd one couldn't afford me and the last one said that I wasn't catching on fast enough, although they weren't giving me anything to do.

So, I decided that this field is NOT for me and will hopefully be pass the GRE and be accepted into Grad school. I always worked with nice attorneys. So, I praise all of you who have done this and are doing this, because as my friend pointed out to me: maybe my personality is just not right for this field. Amen! I did not come to the decision lightly seeing that I could go back to school to get a paralegal certificate/ degree, but that will be a last resort.

happy in Colorado in Broomfield, Colorado said: I honestly can't believe that a secretary/legal assistant/paralegal or whatever you want to call yourselves believe that your compensation should be anywhere near what an attorney makes. Are you guys really serious? Have you gone to law school? Do you have student loans that exceed those of a house purchase? Have you taken and passed the bar exam?

After being a legal secretary for nearly 30 years' -- yes, I'm proud of the title, I don't consider what I do grunt work at all. Although I still call myself a secretary, attorneys refer to me as their legal assistant, paralegal, wonder woman and one even calls me the CEO. Along with all my responsibilities and duties, I'm an office mother, priest, magician . . .

I'm compensated quite nicely for my skills, knowledge, expertise and experience. If you don't like working in the legal field, then get out. If you don't like the compensation, then get out.

If the attorneys, secretaries, legal assistants, paralegals, etc., are mean, rude and nasty, then maybe you should look in the mirror for the reason, or get a thicker skin.

LOVED THAT ANSWER!

Secretarial work is ALL grunt work and nothing else. As for you liking the fact that attorneys treat you like an expendable piece of office equipment, to each his own I say. You have to do what pays the bills and take all that abuse as part of your job.

Luckily for me I found a new career that has nothing to do with lawyers and the legal profession. My advice to anyone hating it is to get out and find something else fast. You will have a much happier life and feel better about yourself every day for doing it as I did.

It is a pyramid scheme, almost, but as a paralegal/legal assistant, you will do a lot of the writing that the attorney will take credit for. The attorney will then write off all of your hours as non-billable. And treat you rudely. And blame you for every mistake she made, such as not reading what you prepared for her signature.

what field of work are you in now?

how do you get a thicker skin?

As a previous poster stated, it's probably not worth developing a thicker skin. Yet I must work, so I remain. I call it perspective, and I try to develop a sense of internal superiority; to keep in mind how low and petty a lawyer must be if she cannot take any blame for anything, and must always foist the blame on me to make herself feel better. This works until I go out into the parking lot and see what kinds of cars the lawyers are driving versus my car... ah, class warfare, perhaps? What can I say?

That's what I did, and it was hard, but I stayed until the very last minute. It's been two years and three months, and I'm still collecting UB. I've been doing substitute teaching, got a few temp jobs, so now I am collecting UB, food stamps, and when school starts back I should have my five year teacher certificate - and make $11.08 an hour as a substitute. I am also looking for tutoring - and court reporting.

Displaced Legal Professional in Denver, Colorado said: So true.

The shareholder assigned a will to me. I prepared a draft off a standard firm form and submitted it for her review. She returned the draft not ten minutes later. She had written "fine" on the draft. I put the will into final form and returned the file to her for presentation to the client. Supposedly this will was a rush project.

A couple of days later, the shareholder reamed me for this will. She had taken it to the shut-in client for signature. I had left in a standard clause regarding distributions absent heirs. She reamed ME for not striking the paragraph. She said that as an experienced estate planning paralegal I should have known to delete the clause. Hello?!? She is a lawyer. I am not. She supposedly reviewed my draft. Why in the hell did she not strike the clause if it did not belong??

Yup. My example: I drafted a standard Complaint for Absolute Divorce. (These clients pay big bucks for lawyers to do what we paralegals do.) My attorney was frantic to get it filed that day (no deadline or anything, just her typical grandstanding as a result of previous dilatory tactics and procrastination on her part) so.... after she'd reviewed it and made a few arbitrary changes so she could bill for all of it, I called a courier to take it to the courthouse. My attorney called me about an hour after the courier left and frantically asked me if we'd asked for child support. Oh. My. God. Did she even read the thing? You have to wonder.

That is an everyday occurrence. Whenever I prepare a document for the attorney, I insist that they read it. Even if they don't or do what our attorney did, they cannot come back later and ream me for their error. Even if they do, you have the satisfaction of knowing the document was submitted at their own peril and gives you an insight into that person's character.

tessie425 in New York, New York said: Every law office I've worked has had several women in it that are just, bitter nasty people. I remember when I first started in this field there were two women in that office that were just mean for no reason other than the fact that they could be.

Now I work with an OCD freak that has to have everything done her way or all hell breaks loose. I have had to bite my tongue on so many occassions. I can't wait for the day I can just give my two weeks and get out of this place. I got a job offer a few weeks back but it was for working for 2 women attorneys and I declined because I just had a bad feeling.

I know the attorneys can always be horrible, but I found I have noticed that the staff can be equally as awful.

I think offices in general are just NOT FOR ME.

Hi I know that women are hard to work with. I'm a female and I don't like working for them. I work better with men and I treat them as I would want to be treated. It stinks that the women who think they are better than the other person get by with being that way. If you report them they become even worse that before. I try to work with men because I feel equal in some areas and I would never be any thing other than my self. If Im fired because I'm true to my self then let it be.

Hi I know that women are hard to work with. I'm a female and I don't like working for them. I work better with men and I treat them as I would want to be treated. It stinks that the women who think they are better than the other person get by with being that way. If you report them they become even worse that before. I try to work with men because I feel equal in some areas and I would never be any thing other than my self. If Im fired because I'm true to my self then let it be

Marguerite in Arlington, Texas said: Hi I know that women are hard to work with. I'm a female and I don't like working for them. I work better with men and I treat them as I would want to be treated. It stinks that the women who think they are better than the other person get by with being that way. If you report them they become even worse that before. I try to work with men because I feel equal in some areas and I would never be any thing other than my self. If Im fired because I'm true to my self then let it be

I recently turned down a job because it would have been working for two female attorneys. I said no thank you, even though I liked the location and the perks of the job would have been better than what I have now. I much prefer working for men and with men, less catty BS. I worked with a female partner in a large firm once and it was a nightmare. Everyone hated and was scared of this woman, and she was one of the most nasty, vile women I have ever been in contact with.

I also worked for a firm where the office manager was this nightmare woman. We used to call her Leona (Helmsley) because she looked just like her. She used to try to tell you how many inches from your knee your skirt should be.

Oddly enough, when I quit that job she was very sad to see me go, even after giving me hell for 3 years.

This reminds me of an incident that occurred back in June. I was temping at a firm that I truly liked and they liked me even the female attorneys. Well, they're just getting into the litigation aspect which I have oodles of experience in.

In any event, their set up is a paralegal over the litigation team. Paralegal is a female. Sometimes people get Type A personally confused with beligerence and just plain ugly. In any event, the attorneys would give her the assignments to be handed down to the rest of us. I got most of them since I had the most experience. It came to where the attorneys began giving me the assignments directly. Of course, understandably, she needed to know what I was working on in cse she is asked about it. Well, some documents "appeared" on my desk which should have been filed at least two weeks prior. I had never seen these documents. I found them in my desk and asked where they came from. The attorney was livid because they were crucial to the client's defense and allegations made in the case. Inasmuch as she had been there longer and I was a temp, I did not say anything about her "secret" papers I found in the desk and simply asked her to clean them up.

Then another incident came up where she set depositions without conferring with any of the other parties. Of course, I got the call from outside counsel reaming me out for the discourteous behavior. I went to her asking why this was done that way. She vehemently replied that she did not have to confer to set a deposition. There were twelve (12) parties to this case besides our Plaintiff. Of course, I as a temp was let go a couple of days later without explanation.

Ahh....nothing like an early morning rant from a right wing, religious troll attempting to peddle his hateful propaganda via amazon.com. What a lovely way to start the day.

Thanks Grant.

Displaced, he's a vitriolic rightwinging troll who is trying to upset the women here on this forum. He belongs in Utah in the 1890s.

I HAVE to agree here about the fact that the legal field and the paraprofessional fields related to it are oversaturated with nasty women of all ages and backgrounds. I also used to turn jobs working for female attorneys. I think it's the aggressiveness of the "legal atmosphere." Attorneys are naturally over-confrontational. And it DOES rub off on you. It took me almost a year to get rid of this "rub-off" once I left paralegal.

Following that, I went into the non-profit world and all levels of female hierarchy are much nicer there. I was very happy.

Distemper is a condition that affects female dogs and is handled in dog training and the vet's office. Did he just call us the "b" word?

Legal secretaries can be vicious.
I remember I was in a temp to hire position and 3 days after I started, the 2 secretaries that worked around me stopped speaking to me and they refused to train me on administrative matters for this firm. I didn't even know how to get a check for a court filing. Yikes.

I remember catching them in lies. One even started following me around the office to monitor me. They wouldn't even be polite or professional. Luckily the job didn't work out.

One secretary would disappear for about 30 minutes and when she came back she smelled like she had been drinking. The same girl would come to work with alcohol on her breath. The office manager did nothing about it.

Just wanted to chime in here and share my experience in the legal field. I have been a paralegal for over 14 years now, and I have finally decided I've had enough and am completely changing careers (should have done that a LONG time ago). I was recently fired from my job for the most ridiculous thing ever. I heard that they were planning on laying me off a while ago, but were looking for an excuse so that I wouldn't be able to collect UIB. Well, sure enough, I got written up and subsequently fired, for mailing a document and not faxing it. I was never told to fax it, but they said "you should have known you had to fax it." Are you effin serious? I'm supposed to be a mind reader now? Needless to say I fought back and tried to stick up for myself, and got fired for it. I also had the most mean, miserable, nasty and bitter office manager ever. Unbelievable. I have never received the respect I deserved in this field, and so I am exiting it while I still have some dignity left in me. Just the thought of leaving this field behind is like a huge load that has been lifted!

Just wanted to chime in here and share my experience in the legal field. I have been a paralegal for over 14 years now, and I have finally decided I've had enough and am completely changing careers (should have done that a LONG time ago). I was recently fired from my job for the most ridiculous thing ever. I heard that they were planning on laying me off a while ago, but were looking for an excuse so that I wouldn't be able to collect UIB. Well, sure enough, I got written up and subsequently fired, for mailing a document and not faxing it. I was never told to fax it, but they said "you should have known you had to fax it." Are you effin serious? I'm supposed to be a mind reader now? Needless to say I fought back and tried to stick up for myself, and got fired for it. I also had the most mean, miserable, nasty and bitter office manager ever. Unbelievable. I have never received the respect I deserved in this field, and so I am exiting it while I still have some dignity left in me. Just the thought of leaving this field behind is like a huge load that has been lifted!

Great!!! I applaud your decision and your luck. I hope you learned NEVER to enter back into the legal field after that experience. I got out over a year ago and have never regretted it. Lawyers, office managers, and generally people that work in the legal field are the biggest @#$@#$@# you could possibly work for. When you enter the corporate world, the difference is larger than night and day. You will never feel sorry that you aren't in the legal field; even working at a supermarket or in retail is better than dealing with nasty, self-centered @@#### that exist in the legal market.

Exactly! Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from. I'll probably be taking a big pay cut, but ANYTHING is better than working for those blood sucking, soul crushing attorneys. The money is not worth my sanity. I know of another paralegal who is looking to get out, who says she'd rather be working as a bagger at Publix!

I was laid off a little over a week ago. Yay! After dealing with hideous paranoid people, I finally got the axe, and while I coulda collected UIB, I saw an ad for a nonprofit, and even though it was temporary, I applied, and got it... and I love it. Everyone is so nice. I keep trying to get used to it. It's like I'm on a team, not some sort of maid serving the various attorneys and office managers and queen-like incompetents who've been there for years because they're back-stabbing paranoid soulless tools or glottuns for punishment... my very soul has been saved, and so has yours! Knowing I no longer feed off the carrion of a dead marriage (domestic law) is wonderful... I now help people live independently, I don't bill people indiscriminately... it's good.

Interesting discussion about Lawyers.
I once made the mistake of informing an attorney that his "mapped" location in the Yellow pages was not his "real" physical location.
He proceeded to vigorously Cross-examine my intelligence and my wisdom of accosting him with such Trivial BS.

Another experience was with a Fortune 500 with a Gov't Relations office conveniently located between 1600 Penn and the Congress.
The office manager was a very unhappy 'B'Otch with 2 VP level attorneys whom were not really all that bad. But, kinda out of touch with the technical support they wanted and what they were paying for.
Their Executive Care group located outside of NY were roll-over kissi-U-butts long, kissi-U-butts without being told, ordered or demanded always on short end of the stick wielded by he Office Manager..

I keep trying to get used to it. It's like I'm on a team, not some sort of maid serving the various attorneys and office managers and queen-like incompetents who've been there for years because they're back-stabbing paranoid soulless tools or glottuns for punishment...

Isn't it amazing that you actually have to get used to working with good, decent people? I could not stand to think of myself turning into one of those nasty, miserable women I worked with. It seems like the only way you can actually get ahead in the legal field is if you are one of them - a back-stabbing, selfish, bitchy, money grubbing, ass-kisser of a person.

I started this thread some time ago and am not surprised to see all the responses, esp. people who seem to being going through the same hell that I am working with crazy law firm people....:)

Very happy to see that many people are getting out of this field. Definitely the right move. There is nothing but misery and stress in law (the majority of the time). I plan on leaving soon, unfortunatley not too many opportunities have come up for me. I am sticking it out for now.

Wish me luck and good luck to all of you...

it seems to me that everyone takes orders from the bosses and they do what they are told. Then we you don't go to the parties for holiday anymore, they wonder why? Women are two faced and the attorney are so afraid you will get praised for your job and not them. They are self absorbed and they smile in your face and when you leave the room they complain of you. I had my manager tell me I am "intentionlly rude" to people and everyone is complainng. Now if they ever saw my bad side they would be sorry they knew my name. I laugh they are all a bunch of drunks anyway who have to swallow so much office dysfunction and they cannot do anything for fear of losing their own job. they are only happy to lash out in the bar about how everyone else in the company does nothing. I worked with all female attorney and they all thought they were high and mighty but actually they had no social skills and could not look me in the face for they lied so much it was killing them.

I wonder how the attorneys feel now that they have to get off their high horse and type their own work on the internet. See they liked us when we were needed to do their work before the recession and then they suddenly complain about us for no reason now why? because they are told they have to turnaround their work on the internet themselves. SO we are being banned in the legal secy field because the atty's have to do their own work. Now they have to do their own work and they can see how much we did actually do for them. ONe thing is for sure "Karm" who ever does evil will get it back later tenfold...